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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #413
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Zorn List Digest Monday, July 6 1998 Volume 02 : Number 413
In this issue:
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Re: postmodernism
Re: postmodernism
REMINDER : Frith / Ochs / Masaoka in Chicago Tonight
Re: Percussion
Re: Percussion
Re: Percussion
Experimenta
David Shea at (or near) Lincoln Center
Re: postmodernism
details search - Shipp / Ware
postmodernism
The Muffins
Panthalassa redux
Re: The Muffins
Re: Postmodern
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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 10:02:47 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@IDT.NET>
Subject: Re: postmodernism
J.T. de Boer wrote:
[Funniest thing I've seen since the Serialist/WWII coding satire
snipped]
As far as I'm concerned, JT, you are hereby pardoned from any past or
future references to soccer on this list.
Brian Olewnick
- -
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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 06:45:59 -0800
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: postmodernism
"J.T. de Boer" <J.T.de.Boer@let.rug.nl> wrote:
>
>Dear members,
>
>I visit alt.postmodern regurlarly and I read the following message
>from talkshow-host Jenny Jones. Did the opinion of R. Rorty really
>have an impact on academic life in the US? In Europe the discussion
>about postmodernism in this form is old news. I'm interested in your
>views about the issue. Is the music of Zorn/contemorary composers in
>general, relevant in the case of discussing postmodernism? Is all
>the music of Zorn to be seen in a postmodern context? Do postmodern
>theories give the music of Zorn more impact? How does Zorn feel about
>his music to be seen in a postmodern context? Does he use it (either
>negative or positive)? Questions, questions, questions...
>
>Here's the article first:
<snip>
Uh, this text is a parody of a kind of television talk show seen in the US
that may not be readily available in Europe. It's not a real transcript of
a real program, just a joke. It was originally published on the editorial
pages of the New York Times & has been circulating on the Internet for a
little more than a year.
To answer some of your questions, though, Richard Rorty is a philosopher
who is taken seriously by many academics, at least in the US. The opinion
reported in the article you quote is not paticularly typical of his serious
work, it was a statement made to a newspaper surveying academics about
their thoughts on the relevancy of postmodernism now that the term is
commonly used in talk shows, advertising, pop song lyrics, etc.
Zorn & other contemporary music has been sometimes been discussed in terms
of postmodernism both on this list and in more rigorously academic
situations from time to time and, frankly, the discussions often prove
Rorty's point that the word "postmodernism" means a lot of different things
to different people, with little commonality among the definitions.
I'd guess, given his general sense that critics don't know much about
music, that Zorn probably doesn't care for the concept as a description of
his work.
Bests,
Herb
Herb Levy
herb@eskimo.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:37:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul Audino <psaudino@interaccess.com>
Subject: REMINDER : Frith / Ochs / Masaoka in Chicago Tonight
Hey everybody,
Just a reminder that Fred Frith, Larry Ochs (from ROVA) and Miya
Masaoka will being playing tonight at Unity Temple in suburban Oak Park.
This will be the second night of a two-night stand. I was there
yesterday, and it was great : two long sets (45-50 minutes) of improv. It
was wonderful watching Frith do all kinds of things to his guitar (paint
brushes, drum sticks, chains, fabrics, etc.).
On a sad note, this may well be the final concert at Unity Temple,
a unique space that has garnered quite a reputation over the past two
years. Chicago concertgoers are probably aware of the great artists that
have passed through the doors of the temple, including Frith (his first
Chicago appearance in a decade), Peter Brotzmann, Dave Douglas, The Sun Ra
Arkestra, John Tchai and may others.
Concert starts at 8. $18 adults/$12 students. See
www.math.uic.edu/creative
for directions.
And tell your friends.
Paul
psaudino@interaccess.com
GROOVE
- ----------
One Nation
- -
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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:59:54 -0700
From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com (Martin Wisckol)
Subject: Re: Percussion
Glad to see Nana Vasconcelos got a mention here, as he often brings an
abundance of both charm and depth to his various settings. Danca Das
Cabecas, under Egberto Gismonti's name is superb, and another ECM album
of duets between the two, Duas Voces also has some gorgeous moments.
I'm trying to resist saying more about Gismonti, and I'll limit myself
at this time to this understatement: He is one of my favorite living
musicians. Complete, unique, very personal, listenable (not to mention
a virtuoso on both guitar and piano). It's hard to go wrong with any of
his ECMs.
As for Nana, my favorites under his name are Saudades (ECM)(solo except
for one cut with Gismonti and string orchestra) and Lester (Soul Note)
(folk-tinted duets with Italian accordianist and pianist Antonello
Salis).
And, of course, his three Codona albums on ECM (with Don Cherry and
Colin Walcott, who turns in some fine tabla work).
Speaking of tabla, Zakir Hussein, of course. I promise, I do have some
records that aren't ECM, but I like Hussein's Making Music on that
label. I'm interested in other recommendations on Hussein (I have the
Shakti stuff, and a couple led by Shankar).
That said, the committed traveler into the heart of percussion IMHO
must spend some time with Harry Partch, who invented and built his own
instruments, his own scales, his own concept of music and sound and
technique.
"Their records were recovered, but their motives not revealed.''
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:59:54 -0700
From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com (Martin Wisckol)
Subject: Re: Percussion
Glad to see Nana Vasconcelos got a mention here, as he often brings an
abundance of both charm and depth to his various settings. Danca Das
Cabecas, under Egberto Gismonti's name is superb, and another ECM album
of duets between the two, Duas Voces also has some gorgeous moments.
I'm trying to resist saying more about Gismonti, and I'll limit myself
at this time to this understatement: He is one of my favorite living
musicians. Complete, unique, very personal, listenable (not to mention
a virtuoso on both guitar and piano). It's hard to go wrong with any of
his ECMs.
As for Nana, my favorites under his name are Saudades (ECM)(solo except
for one cut with Gismonti and string orchestra) and Lester (Soul Note)
(folk-tinted duets with Italian accordianist and pianist Antonello
Salis).
And, of course, his three Codona albums on ECM (with Don Cherry and
Colin Walcott, who turns in some fine tabla work).
Speaking of tabla, Zakir Hussein, of course. I promise, I do have some
records that aren't ECM, but I like Hussein's Making Music on that
label. I'm interested in other recommendations on Hussein (I have the
Shakti stuff, and a couple led by Shankar).
That said, the committed traveler into the heart of percussion IMHO
must spend some time with Harry Partch, who invented and built his own
instruments, his own scales, his own concept of music and sound and
technique.
"Their records were recovered, but their motives not revealed.''
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 13:04:51 -0700
From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com (Martin Wisckol)
Subject: Re: Percussion
Glad to see Nana Vasconcelos got a mention here, as he often brings an
abundance of both charm and depth to his various settings. Danca Das
Cabecas, under Egberto Gismonti's name is superb, and another ECM album
of duets between the two, Duas Voces also has some gorgeous moments.
I'm trying to resist saying more about Gismonti, and I'll limit myself
at this time to this understatement: He is one of my favorite living
musicians. Complete, unique, very personal, listenable (not to mention
a virtuoso on both guitar and piano). It's hard to go wrong with any of
his ECMs.
As for Nana, my favorites under his name are Saudades (ECM)(solo except
for one cut with Gismonti and string orchestra) and Lester (Soul Note)
(folk-tinted duets with Italian accordianist and pianist Antonello
Salis).
And, of course, his three Codona albums on ECM (with Don Cherry and
Colin Walcott, who turns in some fine tabla work).
Speaking of tabla, Zakir Hussein, of course. I promise, I do have some
records that aren't ECM, but I like Hussein's Making Music on that
label. I'm interested in other recommendations on Hussein (I have the
Shakti stuff, and a couple led by Shankar).
That said, the committed traveler into the heart of percussion IMHO
must spend some time with Harry Partch, who invented and built his own
instruments, his own scales, his own concept of music and sound and
technique.
"Their records were recovered, but their motives not revealed.''
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:15:16 -0300 (GMT-0300)
From: perojo@unsl.edu.ar
Subject: Experimenta
well experimenta 98 in B.A. was cancellated, check the info ..
/.Pablo.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 20:54:30 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@IDT.NET>
Subject: David Shea at (or near) Lincoln Center
As part of its New York Video Festival this month, Lincoln Center is
showing the following videos at the Walter Reade Theater on B'Way and
63rd on Tuesday, July 21 at 8:30PM and Wednesday, July 22 at 4PM:
Dissing DARE Les Leveque USA 1997
Sub Accident Seth Price USA 1997
dial H-I-S-T-O-R-Y Johan Grimonprez Belgium 1997
The last is a 68 minute piece featuring a live performance by David Shea
and incorporating text from Don DeLillo. Tix are $8.50.
Phillip Johnston's Transparent Quartet is also doing live music for a
silent Japanese film, 'Page of Madness' July 9 & 10.
Brian Olewnick
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:57:48 -0500
From: "Eric C. Honour, Jr." <ech580@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
Subject: Re: postmodernism
>Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 14:11:22 +0200
>From: "J.T. de Boer" <J.T.de.Boer@let.rug.nl>
>Subject: postmodernism
>
>Dear members,
>
>I visit alt.postmodern regurlarly and I read the following message
>from talkshow-host Jenny Jones. Did the opinion of R. Rorty really
>have an impact on academic life in the US?
I think that most of the academics in the U.S. with whom I am familiar are
far too busy discussing this year's World Cup match-up between (who is it
again?) Upper Voltaire and East Madagascar to get swept up in any sort of
mass-media debunking of postmodernism.
>In Europe the discussion
>about postmodernism in this form is old news. I'm interested in your
>views about the issue. Is the music of Zorn/contemorary composers in
>general, relevant in the case of discussing postmodernism? Is all
>the music of Zorn to be seen in a postmodern context? Do postmodern
>theories give the music of Zorn more impact? How does Zorn feel about
>his music to be seen in a postmodern context? Does he use it (either
>negative or positive)? Questions, questions, questions...
I think that, to answer these questions in the true spirit of
postmodernism, I'd have to say "what's the difference?" All choices are
equally valuable, as are all interpretations. I mean, you aren't going to
tell me that Ligeti's music is any better than oh, say, a couple of guys
getting up and playing a bunch of noise in a NYC night club like the
Knitting Factory, are you?
Frankly, I can't see why postmodernists bother to do anything at all. I
guess you could make a case for trying to convert people to their point of
view, but isn't the case made just as well by random stimulus? I mean, if
everything is of equal value, which _is_ carrying the argument to extremes,
of course, why expend the effort?
Getting back to Finale (tm),
Eric
P.S. BTW, to avoid insult to you, I'm assuming that you are familiar with
Jenny Jones's show and recognize the post as a (very) humorous fabrication.
- --------------------------
Eric C. Honour, Jr.
Composer * Saxophonist * Graphic Designer
MMus (Saxophone Performance and Composition)
Northwestern University
MrTheory@no.spam.nwu.edu
http://pubweb.nwu.edu/~ech580/
- --------------------------
"Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first
woman she meets, then teams up with three complete strangers to kill
again."
- -- TV listing for "The Wizard of Oz" in the Marin Paper
"Save the whales! Trade them for valuable prizes." --bumper sticker
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 13:23:14 -0300
From: Rick Lopez <bb10k@velocity.net>
Subject: details search - Shipp / Ware
Details search for the Matthew Shipp & David S. Ware Discographies:
[Much of this info requires "inside" knowledge, so if you have pertinent
contacts with label reps, session producers, musicians involved,
recording engineers, etc., I'd be grateful.]
SHIPP:
- ---
Knitting Factory Presents What Is Jazz?
* Need date for recording of solo piano session. June ?? 1996
- ---
Silkheart Sampler
* Need ALL info.
- ---
Shipp & Rob Brown / Sonic Explorations / CJR 1037
Live venue or studio / city & country
* Sessions on Feb 14 and Nov 19. Same Place??
- --
Shipp Duo w/ William Parker / ZO
Date
* None listed on disc
- ---
Shipp / Flow of X
Composer credits; Date
* None listed on disc
- ---
Ivo Perelman & Shipp / Bendito of Santa Cruz
Live venue or studio in Brooklyn, NY (Systems Two?)
* None listed on disc
- ---
Shipp duo w/ Roscoe Mitchell / 2-Z
Date
* None listed on disc
- ---
Shipp / Circular Temple / Infinite Zero Records
* Originally on Quinton Records-- need issue #, release date, same
tracks as CD?
- ---
Ahmed Abdullan and the Solomonic Quintet / Silkheart
* CD release date.
(none listed)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------
WARE:
- ---
Andrew Cyrille and Maono / Junction
* Need ALL info.
- ---
DS Ware & Barry Harris Duet (1977?) (Title?)
* Need ALL info.
- ---
DS Ware / From Silence to Music / Palm
* Need ALL info.
- ---
William Hooker Trio / His Eternal Life (title correct?)
RUC-444
Track; Track Time; Composer credit
* Exact date? February ?? 1976
* Langston Hughes Library is where?
- ---
Also need release dates for pertinent Silkheart vinyl w/ Shipp & Ware-
SHLP 109; 113; 127; 128; 129; 145
- ---
***Anyone finding sessions I'm missing will be given extra credit***
This is my format:
Leader / Title
Label / issue # / media / release date / country
Session Date
Live Venue or Studio
City, country
track titles / composer / matrix or take #s when available / time
Personnel / detailed instrumentation
Notes of interest, links, etc.
I'm looking to gather *all* of the above info on each and every session.
Anyone having access or knowledge of the whereabouts of items "not
in my collection" that are out-of-print or not readily available from
Cadence, please let me know.
I'm also interested in pointers to articles, reviews, book citations,
links, or any obscurities you might have a line on.
Thanks for your time,
Rick Lopez
- --
Marilyn Crispell, Sam Rivers, Matthew Shipp, David S. Ware, and Reggie
Workman discographies; Samuel Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000
Things; Time Stops; etc., at--
http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 12:01:29 -0600
From: dennis summers <denniss@ic.net>
Subject: postmodernism
The funniest thing I've read in ages, thanx for posting it, it would have
been worth it even without the tangential Zorn reference. This is being
copied and sent out to all my friends.
Yours in zornocitous postmodernism --ds
***Quantum Dance Works***
****http://ic.net/~denniss****
- -
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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 15:31:09 -0400
From: Richard C Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: The Muffins
To anyone and everyone old enough to remember,
(and those with great record collections) :
The Muffins are in fact doing a show at Cheif Ike's Mambo Room in the
Adams Morgan, DC area. 1725 Columbia Road. The full quartet as heard
on Manna Mirage and 185 , Open City, etc., will be there.
July 16th, doors open at 8pm $7 cover.
With DCs Vector.
Please pass this on freely to as many folks as you can!
Woo-Hoo!!
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:36:41 EDT
From: <TagYrIt@aol.com>
Subject: Panthalassa redux
Greetings all....
Today I bought and have been listening to Bill LaswellÆs Sacred System Chapter
Two. While Panthalassa would probably be catagorically considered jazz and
Sacred System dub, IÆm struck by the similarity of the material (no pun
intended). Sacred System is less busy, but to my ears, much more interesting
than what Laswell did with/to Davis. It also seems likely that they overlap
chronologically - Sacred System was recorded in 1997. IÆm thinking its because
other musicians were involved in the creating of Sacred System - the approach
is similarto the Davis material, as is the instrumentation, but there seems to
be a lot more of interest going on to my ears. Your mileage my vary.
Dale.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:16:02 EDT
From: <Dgasque@aol.com>
Subject: Re: The Muffins
In a message dated 7/5/98 3:30:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, punkjazz@snet.net
writes:
<< The Muffins are in fact doing a show at Cheif Ike's Mambo Room in the
Adams Morgan, DC area. 1725 Columbia Road. The full quartet as heard
on Manna Mirage and 185 , Open City, etc., will be there.
>>
That's great to hear. The last time I talked to bassist Billy Swan, he was
talking about a reunion tour to support the re-issue of _185_ (!) on
Cuneiform. That was a while ago, and I haven't run into him since. He plays
with a couple of improv ensembles on occasion in Columbia, SC, and "was"
playing in a country band around here called "The Abilenes." From what I
hear, the reunion took this long to happen because everyone lost touch with
Dave Newhouse for a couple of years.
spinning: Scorn- Logghi Barogghi
=dgasque=
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:55:29 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Postmodern
J.T. De Boer asked (among other things):
>Do postmodern theories give the music of Zorn more impact?
No. But a decent stereo does.
Seriously now, Adorno argues that music can only be authentic (well,
perhaps he doesn't use that word, as it would sound like the
existentialism he attacks, but I'd argue that the idea is the same)
by being addressed to the process of commodification (in English,
that it must stand up against all aspects of the market place in
which it finds itself). So, those of such a mind then notice that a
good deal of "alternative" music is, occasionally at least, self-
conscious of its commodity status (this is argued endlessly about
Zappa). While that's true, I hardly think this the only or the best
source of value in the music. Nor do I think Adorno's theories, in
this sphere, very helpful. It amounts to a kind of aesthetic ultra-
leftism ... as though, musically, we could purify ourselves of
capitalism, and as though only something untainted by this
unsavoury world (in which we nonetheless have to live and play our
music) could truly criticise that world. Hoo-hah! Remember, the
teachers, too, must be educated!
Sean Wilkie
PS I think Stam fouled Ortega. But I was rooting for the Dutch.
- -
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