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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #406
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Zorn List Digest Saturday, June 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 406
In this issue:
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Re: Best of Naked City
Re: Recent Goodies
Re: Anchorage NYC Coming Events
downtown serenade
Re: downtown serenade
response to patton & bennink
Re: Big Fun
Re: downtown serenade
Laswell/Marley
Re: Laswell/Marley
Frith Bands
Re: Frith Bands
Re: Frith Bands
God
Re: Frith Bands
Re: God /Sugarbullet?
Re: Frith Bands
Re: Frith Bands
Re: Anchorage NYC Coming Events
Re: Anchorage NYC Coming Events
Weird Little Boy/ Mark Feldman sig
Dennis Cooper
New York Clubs
Gene Coleman/Polwechsel at Roulette
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:59:59 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Best of Naked City
> I've been listening to Zorn for a short time now, and really like what
> I hear, But I am looking to get another Naked City CD. I already have
> Naked City, but, what should I buy next?
Yes, Radio is the logical second choice. Torture Garden's pretty much
essential too, but you're better off getting Grand Guignol since the tracks
overlap.
- -
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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:20:19 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Recent Goodies
> I've just got RUINS - Refusal Fossil [Skin Graft]. There are 12
previously
> unreleased tracks and others 8 live with guests. Studio tracks were
mastered
> by Jim ORourke. Guests in live tracks are Kikuchi Naruyoshi (better known
> from TIPOGRAPHICA or as a sax player on Ground Zero Plays Standards), Emi
> Eleonda and Yamamoto Seiichi from OMOIDE HATOBA. Absolutely brill CD for
all
> Ruins' fans.
There's something which has sort of intrigued me about this since I bought
it a few months ago. Who plays vibes on Gravestone?
- -
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:46:20 +0000
From: "Charles Gillett" <gill0042@tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: Anchorage NYC Coming Events
On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:36:27 -0400 (EDT), <jad5657@is4.nyu.edu> wrote:
> >CREATIVE TIME IN THE ANCHORAGE 98
> >music, films, performance inside the
> >Brooklyn Bridge
> >/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> >
> >FRI. JUNE 26 -- JOHN ZORN'S NIGHT OF RADICAL IMPROVISATIONS 9 PM
> >$12 advance/$15 day of show
> >
> > John Zorn gathers a group of experimental musicians for an evening
> >of radical acoustic improvisation including Mike Patton formerly of Faith
> >No More, Min Xiao-Fen with Derek Bailey, Cyro Baptista's "Beat the
> >Donkey," and legendary free jazz percussionist Milford Graves.
Aarrgh. I'm scheduled to arrive at La Guardia at 8:50pm or so.
Will this be a Tonic-esque madhouse, or is the anchorage more
spacious? I suppose I'll find out when I get there....
- -- Charles
- -
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:08:43 -0500
From: Bob Kowalski <BKowalski@genetics.com>
Subject: downtown serenade
Anyone have the scoop on the sound of the new disc "Downtown
Serenade" featuring Wayne Horovitz, John Zorn, and two others (I think
Previte might be on this...actually, not even 100% positive about the title -
just glanced at it in the shop.) Is this as straight forward a ballad - to -
the - city / jazz quartet as it appears? Would love to know.
Bob
- -
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 08:53:19 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: downtown serenade
On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:08:43 -0500 Bob Kowalski wrote:
>
> Anyone have the scoop on the sound of the new disc "Downtown
> Serenade" featuring Wayne Horovitz, John Zorn, and two others (I think
> Previte might be on this...actually, not even 100% positive about the title -
> just glanced at it in the shop.) Is this as straight forward a ballad - to -
> the - city / jazz quartet as it appears? Would love to know.
Yes, Wayne is on the balcony and Zorn shows up with his violin. After
some failed attempts at attracting attention from Wayne, Elliott shows
up on the far left of the scene with his mandolin. According to some
rumours, Bobby was there in the early evening but his drum playing
did not do too much to Wayne.
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:08:59 -0400
From: jtalbot@massart.edu
Subject: response to patton & bennink
>So my question is: has someone ever heard any recordings, saw some
>concerts by these two guys???
yep. patton did a show with david slusser and han bennink at the
saalfelden jazz festival a few years ago. it was a great show. there are
video and audio versions of this show floating around. i have a copy of
the video. ok.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:04:08 EDT
From: <TagYrIt@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Big Fun
In a message dated 98-06-26 10:16:08 EDT, Joseph S. Zitt writes:
<< It's been a while since I've heard Big Fun, but I recall a section where
three trumpet solos are overlaid. Either that was postproduction, or Miles
was even more amazing than I thought... :-)
>>
Big Fun in general, and this passage specifically, have always been among my
favorite examples of Miles, regardless of how it was done. It was either
studio multitracking, or possibly, by using an echoplex with a really long
delay time. Its a beautifully simple passage - Miles playing a gentle, slow
blues, almost in completely free time, with minimal backup from bass and
drums. To me, its just totally beautiful.
Dale.
- -
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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 02:07:28 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: downtown serenade
> Anyone have the scoop on the sound of the new disc "Downtown
> Serenade" featuring Wayne Horovitz, John Zorn, and two others (I think
> Previte might be on this...actually, not even 100% positive about the
title -
> just glanced at it in the shop.) Is this as straight forward a ballad -
to -
> the - city / jazz quartet as it appears? Would love to know.
He shoots, he scores! Patrice's answer was more interesting and informative
than this will be, but I might as well give you some more info since I've
got nothing better to do. The cd you speak of would be "Downtown Lullaby"
by Zorn/Horvitz/Sharp/Previte. It's released on Depth Of Field, and it
ain't no straight forward a ballad blah blah as it appears (if it did ever
appear so). It's an improv-ish thing, ok?
- -
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:54:03 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: Laswell/Marley
Apparently this has been out for a while, but I don't have the proper title for
it.
Could someone tell me what it's called and what label it's on?
And maybe a little bit about it.
Thanks,
Peter
- -
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:54:43 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Laswell/Marley
At 06:54 PM 6/26/98 +0000, peter_risser@cinfin.com wrote:
>Apparently this has been out for a while, but I don't have the proper
title for
>it.
>Could someone tell me what it's called and what label it's on?
>And maybe a little bit about it.
Check the Axiom Label pages at the Axiom Web Site below.
Jeff Spirer
B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/
Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html
Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
- -
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:31:42 -0500
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Frith Bands
I was trying to get info on some of Frith's bands, Art Bears and Skeleton
Crew. I was successful at AMG in finding the correct Art Bears but the
Skeleton Crew was not a band invlolving Frith. I found some RA soundclips
from the Skeleton Crew album "Prehistoric...Dig" and it DEFINITELY isn't
Frith. Hmmm.... anyone know anything about Skeleton Crew?
Thanks,
Dan
- -
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 98 15:39:44 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Re: Frith Bands
Dan wrote:
>I was trying to get info on some of Frith's bands, Art Bears and Skeleton
>Crew. I was successful at AMG in finding the correct Art Bears but the
>Skeleton Crew was not a band invlolving Frith. I found some RA soundclips
>from the Skeleton Crew album "Prehistoric...Dig" and it DEFINITELY isn't
>Frith. Hmmm.... anyone know anything about Skeleton Crew?
Check Patrice's Frith discography on the web. Skeleton Crew (Frith,
Tom Cora and Zeena Parkins) put out one of the finest, IMHO, "rock"
albums of the 80's, COUNTRY OF BLINDS on Rift. I _think_ it's out
there somewhere on disc...
Brian Olewnick
- -
- -
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:52:31 +0200
From: "De Kater" <dekater@worldonline.nl>
Subject: Re: Frith Bands
Skeleton Crew was a group with Fred Frith and Tom Cora and later on Zeena
Parkins. They made two albums: 'Learn to talk' (RecRec 05/Rift 08
- -1983/1984)and 'The Country of Blinds' (RecRec 12/Rift 11 - 1985/1986).
There is also a cd with this material (reCDec 512), but it seams out of
sale at the moment.
Distribution by: RecRec Genossenschaft, P.O. Box 717, 8026 Zurich,
Switzerland. Tel. 01-2415055, Fax 01-2421534.
Jan Luyben
... anyone know anything about Skeleton Crew?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
>
>
> -
>
- -
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:02:26 +0100
From: ScottRussell <ScottRussell@scottishmedia.com>
Subject: God
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Content-Type: text/plain
Anyone care to comment on K Martin's outfit God? I saw a disc today
which looked interesting. Feat Zorn amongst many other guests. I'm
expecting some kind of grindcore... Good, bad, neither?
Scott Russell
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:09:10 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Frith Bands
On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:52:31 +0200 "De Kater" wrote:
>
> Skeleton Crew was a group with Fred Frith and Tom Cora and later on Zeena
The first incarnation had also (ex-Muffins) Dave Newhouse, later replaced
by Zeena.
Patrice.
PS: be ready for a significant update of the Frith discography (jumping
from 200 to 250 recording listed!).
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 98 16:05:47 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Re: God /Sugarbullet?
>Anyone care to comment on K Martin's outfit God? I saw a disc today
>which looked interesting. Feat Zorn amongst many other guests. I'm
>expecting some kind of grindcore... Good, bad, neither?
I have two releases, POSSESSION and ANATOMY OF ADDICTION, both on
Earache. They're pretty good, nice and noisy. Something about the, to
me, rather affected angst of that whole "isolationist" school leaves
me cold (maybe that's the point), but they're OK.
But this reminds me, for some reason: About five or six years ago,
Zorn, as he often did back then, was DJ'ing a broadcast on WKCR here
in NY. During one set, he played a piece by a band I _think_ he
identified as 'Sugarbullet'. It was probably the most effective
combination of thrash/rap/noise that I'd ever heard. Aside from that
one snatch, I've never been able to locate anything but a passing
mention of this or that EP on some ancient auction lists. Anyone here
know anything about 'em?
Brian Olewnick
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:22:13 -0500
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Frith Bands
Dan Hewins wrote:
Hmmm.... anyone know anything about Skeleton Crew?
They started off in 1982 as a trio. Fred ,Tom Cora and Dave
Newhouse(former member of DC based band The Muffins) This version lasted
only a few months, after Newhouse left, they continued on as a duo for a
couple of years, then added Zeena Parkins. The concept of the band was
of 2(or3) one-man-bands playing simultaneously. Each member played 2 or
3 instruments, and a piece of a drum kit.
They toured extensively, recorded 2 albums(which were re-released as a
2on1 CD) and disbanded in 1986. Definitely one of my favorite bands of
the 80's. Their concerts were always loose and playful, with a great
deal of humor involved. They used to do a hysterical version of
Massacre's Killing Time with Fred soloing on a home-made guitar that
resembled a length of 2X4 with pegs. The music was mostly song based,
with widely divergent influences(Only Skeleton Crew could pull off a set
that included music by The Art Bears and Jelly-Roll Morton!), and both
Fred and Tom sang, though every once in a while they would chuck the
book and do a concert length Free-improv, or a set of traditional folk
tunes from around the world. Skeleton Crew was sometimes the "House"
band for CISPES(Citizens in Solidarity with The People Of El Salvador)
events in New York, which led to another permutation where Fred and Tom
led an impromptu marching band during a demonstration in Washington DC.
I had always hoped that they would have a reunion, but TC's passing
makes that impossible, . BTW, can anyone offer a review of The Cora
Tribute concert at the knit last month?
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:16:16 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Frith Bands
On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:22:13 -0500 Rich Williams wrote:
>
> Dan Hewins wrote:
> Hmmm.... anyone know anything about Skeleton Crew?
>
> I had always hoped that they would have a reunion, but TC's passing
> makes that impossible, . BTW, can anyone offer a review of The Cora
> Tribute concert at the knit last month?
Interesting that you are saying that because a recent Skeleton Crew record has
been issued:
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
247 - ETYMOLOGY: Fred Frith, Tom Cora
Recorded at the Koeinverhuurbdrijf Studio, Purmerland (Netherlands) during
Fall 1995
Produced by Tom Dimuzio
Fred Frith (1-54): guitar, electromagnetic translations; Tom Cora (37-95):
cello, cello resonated objects.
1997 - Rarefaction (USA), RF13 (CD)
1997 - Rarefaction (USA), RF12 (CD-ROM)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
see: http://www.rarefaction.com/crewbios.htm
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:33:12 -0500
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Anchorage NYC Coming Events
Charles Gillett wrote:
I'm scheduled to arrive at La Guardia at 8:50pm or so.
> Will this be a Tonic-esque madhouse, or is the anchorage more
> spacious?
The Anchorage is a series of brownstone chambers underneath the Approach
to the Brooklyn Bridge. 40 foot high ceilings, catwalks...sculptures on
display... its quite the place. I saw Diamanda Galas there and it scared
the bejesus out of me. The place is totally made of stone so its LOUD in
there, but otherwise quite comfortable, as far as caverns go...
Rich
- -
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:30:30 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Anchorage NYC Coming Events
At 04:33 PM 6/26/98 -0500, Rich Williams wrote:
>Charles Gillett wrote:
> I'm scheduled to arrive at La Guardia at 8:50pm or so.
>> Will this be a Tonic-esque madhouse, or is the anchorage more
>> spacious?
>
>The Anchorage is a series of brownstone chambers underneath the Approach
>to the Brooklyn Bridge. 40 foot high ceilings, catwalks...sculptures on
>display... its quite the place. I saw Diamanda Galas there and it scared
>the bejesus out of me. The place is totally made of stone so its LOUD in
>there, but otherwise quite comfortable, as far as caverns go...
This might give a feel for the Anchorage:
http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/praxis.html
>
>
>Rich
>
>-
>
Jeff Spirer
B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/
Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html
Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
- -
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:47:57 +0200
From: "Felix" <jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Weird Little Boy/ Mark Feldman sig
Two things:
Just got Weird Little Boy (thanks for the info, BTW) and was wondering who
this Dennis Cooper is. Anyone know? His texts are pretty good, the kind of
poetry I like the most. Was the music in the album written (?) for them?
I noticed that Mark Feldman uses sort of a musical signature in his playing!
If you have the Caine/Mahler CD, put it on track 6 and wait for the 1 minute
or so, you'll hear Feldman sort of screaching with the violin. Now, if you
also have Zorn's Kristallnacht, put track 5 playing and wait for the 7
minute 10 seconds or so - there's the same almost exact sound! There's also
a track in Bar Kokhba that has this signature (can't remember which right
now - it's one of the hardest trio ones). Has anyone else noticed it or am I
just imagining things? Is it a signature or lack of inspiration?
Felix
jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt
- -
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:43:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: tosh@loop.com (Tosh)
Subject: Dennis Cooper
Dennis Cooper is a wonderful writer. Check out his latest novel GUIDE! It
is published by Grove, and one can see his whole catalog of works (I
imagine) on the Amazon site.
- -----------------
Tosh Berman
TamTam Books
- ----------------
- -
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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:18:29 PDT
From: "Jeff Schuth" <jschuth@hotmail.com>
Subject: New York Clubs
HI, I will be going to New York in August. I have never been there, but
I know they have alot of cool jazz clubs. Does anyone know whats going
on in August? Also, I am 18 years old. Do you have to be twenty one to
get in most places? If yes, is it o.k if you are with an adult?
Thanx
Jeff Schuth
"http://members.xoom.com/jschuth"
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:30:44 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@IDT.NET>
Subject: Gene Coleman/Polwechsel at Roulette
Figuring the rest of the NYC new music community would be splitting time
between JZ and Co. at the Anchorage and Diamanda Galas at the Knit, and
since I've wanted to hear this band for several years, I (and only about
20 others) took in the show by Polwechsel with guest artist Gene Coleman
last evening.
Polwechsel is an Austrian trio (Werner Dafeldecker, bass and
electronics; Michale Moser, cello; Burkhard Stangl, guitars and piano);
Coleman's a bass clarinetist out of Chicago who's worked with Jim
O'Rourke. They performed five pieces, two compositions by Coleman, one
by Stangl and two improvs. I enjoyed the improvisations the most, by
far; the composed pieces were a bit static and dry for my taste.
Virtually everything the group played was very quiet (don't know if this
is the norm), the improvs venturing very nicely into subdued AMM
territory. Dafeldecker (easily the best name of the year!) was
especially impressive both for his rich, deep arco tone on bass and for
the extreme pains he took at his electronics table, coaxing the quietest
and most subtle sounds from his apparatus.
Stangl was also quite enjoyable, utilizing a number of post-Frithian
techniques including producing an, again, very quiet low rumble from his
electric guitar that provided a wonderful base for much of the improvs.
Moser and Coleman were, I thought, somewhat less interesting, though I'd
hesitate to make any generalizations from this one show; I can easily
imagine that performances from this bunch vary widely. All showed a good
capacity for listening closely to each other.
I know Polwechsel has an pending release on Hatology; if anyone can
review this or prior releases if theirs, I'd be interested to hear. For
that matter, if anyone knows of Gene Coleman's previous work (I've only
heard him on Gastr del Sol's 'Upgrade and Afterlife'), I'd be curious
about that too.
Thanks to Caleb Deupree for posting the announcement of this event;
Roulette's calendar is over a month behind and I wouldn't have known
otherwise.
Brian Olewnick
- -
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