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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #405
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Zorn List Digest Friday, June 26 1998 Volume 02 : Number 405
In this issue:
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Re: Gift Ideas
Recent Goodies
Gift Ideas
Anchorage NYC Coming Events
NYC gigs
Re: TONIC
motain
composing... heh
Re: composing... heh
Re: composing... heh
TONIC s p a c e
Re: composing... heh
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #404
MMW
Best of Naked City
Re: Best of Naked City
Re: TONIC s p a c e
Re: motian/lovano/frisell
Re: Coltrane
Re: Miles
Re: Miles
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:48:31 +0200
From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
Subject: Re: Gift Ideas
*Alec Empire: The Geist of Alec Empire (Geist Records)
Selection of his tracks for the Mille Plateaux-label, not as
aggresive and punkish as Atari Teenage Riot, but in general very dark.
Switches between dark ambient, distorted breakbeats (a la Scorn),
and strange electronic jazz-like things.
If you are interested in dark, experimental ambient/dance-music the
Mille Plateaux-label is really a must. A good starting-point
could be the In Memoriam Gilles Deleuze-compilation.
*Techno-Animal: Another project of Justin Broadrick and Kevin Martin
(God,Ice,The Sidewinder,Godflesh): industrial dub and
hardcore/noise with heavy beats!
Re-Entry (Virgin), Techno Animal Versus Reality (EFA)
Yves
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:49:58 +0200
From: Marcin.Witkowski@wor.tvp.com.pl
Subject: Recent Goodies
Hello,
I've just got RUINS - Refusal Fossil [Skin Graft]. There are 12 previously
unreleased tracks and others 8 live with guests. Studio tracks were mastered
by Jim ORourke. Guests in live tracks are Kikuchi Naruyoshi (better known
from TIPOGRAPHICA or as a sax player on Ground Zero Plays Standards), Emi
Eleonda and Yamamoto Seiichi from OMOIDE HATOBA. Absolutely brill CD for all
Ruins' fans.
CIBO MATTO - Viva! La Woman. It's difficult to explain this band. Hip-hop
rhythms, tape loops and fractured pop melodies with trumpet and sax. Two
japaneese women Miho Hatori and Yuka Honda invite some guests including
Dougie Bowne (Honda's ex-husband) on drums, Dave Douglas on trumpet,Joshua
Roseman on trombone, Jay Rodriguez on sax, Rick Lee on horn, Marc Anthony
Thompson, Bernie Worrell on organ. All of that gives exellent eclectic
modern compilation.
Marcin.
BTW
Warsaw Summer Jazz Days videos are ready for trade!!!
- -
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 98 09:27:45 -0300
From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar
Subject: Gift Ideas
Try Living Colour's "Vivid", or any Kraftwerk cd. Also Miles' "Doo Bop".
- -Hugo, from Argentina
- -
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:36:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff Duricko/Rock Fed Fuji <jad5657@is4.nyu.edu>
Subject: Anchorage NYC Coming Events
Hi all, I'm brand new to this list, so I have no idea as to whether or not
this was already circulated or not. In the instance that it hasn't, I
though this would be worth checking out.
Take Care,
Jeff
"Some are born stupid, some achieve stupidity, and some have stupidity
thrust upon them."
http://pages.nyu.edu/~jad5657 ICQ#3883353
>
>CREATIVE TIME IN THE ANCHORAGE 98
>music, films, performance inside the
>Brooklyn Bridge
>/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
>
>THURS. JUNE 25 -- PLATFORM.NET PRESENTS COLLUDE & INTRUDE 8:30 PM
>$12 advance/$15 day of show. DJ CAM goes on at 9PM promptly
>
> COLLUDE & INTRUDE, the unification of hip hop culture's four
>elements and its most progressive offshoots MCing, turntablism,
>breakdancing
> and graffiti art. This unbelievable meeting of the minds and the
>music is hosted by the most innovative Lord Sear and Mums The Schemer.
> Performers at this once-in-a-lifetime event include 15-year old
>turntable mystic A-Trak of the Invisbl Skratch Picklz (defending 1997
>worldwide
> DMC champion) with DJ Craze (Krash Dummiez, URB Top 100), The
>X-Ecutioners' Roc Raida with Mista Sinista, France's hip-hop renegade DJ
> Cam with Channel Live; The Anamolies and the Bronx Monks;
>performance assault from Sir Menelik/Cyclops 4000; innovators of Brisol's
>dub and
> soul-laced sound system culure Pressure Drop; All City,
>AtomsFamily, Masterminds, Syndicate; Lyricist Lounge young guns AL with
>Punch and
> Wordsworth; live video projection, pro skate demos by New York
>skate kingpins Zoo York, Rookie and Infamous; breakdancing by originators
> The Jam On The Groove Crew, Fable & Rocafella, and Kingpins SF;
>live graffiti by Dontay TC5, Selector and Starr Foundation Murals; Pan
>Optic
> Urban Visuals; the futureevolutionary sounds of hip-hop by artists
>with fully live bands such as Dujeous? (Wax Poetic), Mike Ladd, Anti Pop
> Consortium, Saul Williams, and Orkestra Cimmarron.
>
>
>FRI. JUNE 26 -- JOHN ZORN'S NIGHT OF RADICAL IMPROVISATIONS 9 PM
>$12 advance/$15 day of show
>
> John Zorn gathers a group of experimental musicians for an evening
>of radical acoustic improvisation including Mike Patton formerly of Faith
>No
> More, Min Xiao-Fen with Derek Bailey, Cyro Baptista's "Beat the
>Donkey," and legendary free jazz percussionist Milford Graves.
>
>
>SAT. JUNE 27 -- BLACK METROPOLIS 10 PM $12 in advance/$15 day of show.
>
> Just yesterday Coltrane, Sun Ra, Jimi Hendrix and so many other
>were musicians who gathered little of the attention they deserved in their
>own
> country and from their own people. Today, the creative minds of
>"Detroit Techno"- Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson, Carl Craig and Juan
>Atkins to
> name a few -- stand in a similar position. They are creating music
>that speaks to black people but is seldom heard by them. Hopefully that
>will
> change, maybe tomorrow. . . Black Metropolis' line-up includes:
>Carl Craig and Juan Atkins; Che Christopher Stackhouse, Malik, Jaymz
>Nylon,
> Brett Dancer and Gamall.
>
>
- -
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:52:43 -0400
From: Marc Downing <mpdownin@fes.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: NYC gigs
Could any of you suggest some NYC shows to check out between July 2 and July 5?
Marc
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:39:40 EDT
From: <WINRECORDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: TONIC
Any reports on this new TONIC space? Are Zorn's shows here just happening over
the summer or is it a new permanent venue?
- -
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:43:53 -0500
From: Bob Kowalski <BKowalski@genetics.com>
Subject: motain
Glad to hear so many out there enjoying the excellent recordings under
the Motain/Lovano/Frisell trio (both w/ and without bass.) The new one
on Winter & Winter is great, although I think I still prefer the first "Live at
the Village Vanguard" recording. By the way, Charlie Haden's new disc
(I know, which one) with Chris Anderson (I think -- its the "import" w/
Anderson on piano) is another recent disc in heavy cd player rotation
lately.
- -=happy listening=-
Bob
- -
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:30:00 -0500
From: Rusty Crump <dmcrump@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
Subject: composing... heh
After seeing notices this year for new Masada shows in NYC, an attempt at a
Masada show in Argentina, some west coast Masadas, Zorn & Friends at the
Knit, Tonic stuff, Victo, and now a listing for Zorn in Anchorage,
Alaska... I am moved to recall late last year, when someone said that 1998
was supposed to be the year Zorn toured and played live less, and hunkered
down and composed more.
By no means is live Zorn a bad thing, but I admit I am amused... oh, the
whims of the artist...
Rusty Crump
Oxford, MS/Redding, CA
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:40:15 -0500
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: composing... heh
Rusty Crump wrote:
>
> After seeing notices this year for new Masada shows in NYC, an attempt at a
> Masada show in Argentina, some west coast Masadas, Zorn & Friends at the
> Knit, Tonic stuff, Victo, and now a listing for Zorn in Anchorage,
> Alaska...
That would be the Brooklyn Bridge Anchorage in NYC. That is the immense
brownstone caverns that form the base of the bridge approach. A great
place for concerts BTW.
I hope you haven't given false hope to any real Alaskans :-)
Rich
- -
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:29:19 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: composing... heh
BTW, does anybody know if Zorn still lives part time in Japan?
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:00:56 -0500
From: Jason Tors <jtors@usinteractive.com>
Subject: TONIC s p a c e
After being hugely disappointed with Herbie Hancock and the Headhunters, I
went down to TONIC to satisfy my still wanting musical evening. As I
rounded the corner of rivington and norfolk, I saw the huge teaming line of
people waiting to get into TONIC. It is safe to say that tonic is the new
hip joint on the downtown NYC jazz scene, thanks to JZ. I walked up to the
door and asked Marc Ribot (whoah), who was catching a breath of fresh air,
why there were so many people on line. He said that the space was filled to
capacity, they were letting people out so more could come in. In the
background I could hear zorn honking and sqwealing away. Motor City is
right around the corner and is a great place to get a cheap beer and dig on
the local biker scene, I highly suggest it for those who are unfamiliar
with the lower east side. (Motor City is on Ludlow St between rivington and
delancy.) After grabbing a quick beer at Motor City, I gave TONIC another
try. There was no line this time and the space was loosly packed. I caught
the second to last song of the night which ended in a flurry of sustained
slightly contrasting notes. The only players I recognized were JZ and
Ribot. There was an asian elect bass player, cello player (erik
Frielander??) , percussion player, and a funked out black trumpet player.
Ribot ripped into a great (almost) solo piece for the last song of the
evening. TONIC was incredibly hot and stuffy, nobody seemed to mind and
neither did I. The sound was good despite all four walls being made of
cement. I guess the audience helped suck up some of the stray sound. I had
seen Brad Schepik and the Commuters play at TONIC with a very sparce crowd,
the sound was pretty bad, then again they were all electrified and Zorn
wasn't. I wonder what is going to happen when MMW plays at TONIC? It could
very well be a complete mad house. Does anyone else think it is really cool
that TONIC does not serve alcohol?
- -
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:13:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Cappy D'Angelo" <cappyd@UVic.CA>
Subject: Re: composing... heh
When a friend of mine spoke to him last summer, she specifically asked
about Japan. He more or less said he'd had his fill of Japan and wouldn't
be living there anymore.
Cappy D'Angelo
Student at Law - Intellectual Property
Dabbler in Recording - Sonic Solutions Digital Editing and Mastering
Twanger of Guitar & Blower of Eb Horns of Alto & Bari Persuasion
Victoria, B.C., CANADA
On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> BTW, does anybody know if Zorn still lives part time in Japan?
>
> Patrice.
>
> -
>
>
- -
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:42:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: guts <guts@unm.edu>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #404
I must speak up for Scofield, since there seem to be alot of tacit
criticisms of his playing. Check out his three trio albums with Steve
Swallow and Bob Moses, "Bar Talk," "Shinola," and "Out Like A Light."
Not only is the playing burning but its harmonically interesting as well.
Not at all the "straight ahead" style Sco is so often slammed for.
- -
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:02:00 -0400
From: Troy Whitfield <twhitfie@chem.bu.edu>
Subject: MMW
Dan Hewins wrote:
> I can't listen to them too much though (I still listen to them a
> lot). About them being overrated: That may go for Martin and Wood.
> Billy Martin has a few stock beats that, granted, he can do very
> well, but I don't think he strays too far from that. If I had
> never heard a Chris Wood bass solo I would be completely bored
> with his playing. However, I think John Medeski is one of the
> better players around. Take his playing on Bar Kohkba for example.
> Also, some of the solos I've heard have blown me away
> (particularly on "Jelly Belly").
I just thought I'd chime in with my agreement here. I don't really know
this group, apart from seeing them live once (I think it may have been
the same show that Ken Waxman mentioned - it was at the Air Canada tent
as one of the $2 afternoon shows during the '95 or '96 du Maurier
Downtown Jazz Fesitval in Toronto). At that show however, I was pretty
underwhelmed, except for Medeski's rare solos.
Troy
- -
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:54:56 -0600
From: John Dikeman <dikemang@hamsfork.net>
Subject: Best of Naked City
I've been listening to Zorn for a short time now, and really like what
I hear, But I am looking to get another Naked City CD. I already have
Naked City, but, what should I buy next?
john Dikeman
- -
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:02:35 -0500
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: Best of Naked City
A couple of months ago we talked extensively about Naked City and all their
albums. You should check out the digests from March/April, I don't
remember exacly... I recommend "Radio" but some of the other listers liked
that one the least. Read the past.
Dan
At 2:54 PM -0500 6/25/98, John Dikeman wrote:
>I've been listening to Zorn for a short time now, and really like what
>I hear, But I am looking to get another Naked City CD. I already have
>Naked City, but, what should I buy next?
>
>john Dikeman
>
>-
- -
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:25:29 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: TONIC s p a c e
Jason Tors wrote:
> The only players I recognized were JZ and
> Ribot. There was an asian elect bass player, cello player (erik
> Frielander??) , percussion player, and a funked out black trumpet player.
In order, Kato Hideki, Erik Friedlander, Cyro Baptista and Roy Campbell, Jr.
Mark Feldman played early in the evening. All of this lineup information is
received secondhand... I never got in, but it was my own fault... got there
early for the end of Peter Epstein's second set earlier in the evening, and the
room was pretty empty. That entire crowd materialized between 10 and 11, while
I was a few blocks away at the Luna Lounge knocking back a beer with a friend.
Tonic is still in the process of securing its own liquor license, so right now
it's strictly coffees, teas, juices and sodas.
Tonight things were much more sane, as I got to go to Dave Douglas's show after
all. The band, as I mentioned a few days ago, was trumpters DD, Roy Campbell
and Cuong Vu, all of whom were marvellous and very individual and distinctive.
Drew Gress has quietly become one of my very favorite bassists for his solid
support, melodicism and quick ear... he's always able to play something
appropriate for whatever's going on in front. And Susie Ibarra remains a
genuine marvel, a beautiful, beautiful musician with bottomless style in a free
setting and a mean sense of swing to boot... for some reason a lot of her
straight playing tonight reminded me of Mingus drummer Dannie Richmond. There
were free blows, ensemble pieces for the trumpets alone, duets for Dave and
Susie, Cuong and Drew, and plenty of solo space for all. Plus gobs and gobs of
Rahsaan Roland Kirk material, not just the few odd pieces Dave had promised.
Can't wait for Sunday, Derek Bailey and Susie. But you won't get me within a
mile of that place on MMW's night (and if you're not early, you won't get
*yourself* within a mile either). Pain Killer will be enough of a madhouse for
me, methinks.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:22:36 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: motian/lovano/frisell
The third album actually has Marc Johnson on bass, and adds Lee
Konitz on also and soprano. When this line-up played Glasgow three
years later, they claimed to have recorded a fourth album ... but it
never appeared.
Sean Wilkie
- -
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:29:02 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Coltrane
British TV have just finished a six show series of Jazz Legends.
Pretty much as you'd expect: the Monk show was the best, the Mulligan
the worst. But the Coltrane programme featured some snippets of
footage I'd never seen before: I'd previously seen a "all surviving
footage" show which included the Miles Quintet of 1959, and then two
(?) German(?) TV shows of the Quartet, from 1961 (with Dolphy) and
1963. The "new" footage featured Vigil and Naima. Anybody come
across this anywhere else? It was recorded in a large hall with
an audience seated in rows.
Sean Wilkie
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:43:55 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Miles
Agharta is uncut. (I was going to say because it's live, but that
didn't prevent the Fillmore East and Live Evil albums from being
spliced and - the former - even looped!). But Big Fun and On the
Corner are presumed to bear the mark of post-production ...
Incidentally, that is still one of my biggest disappointments about
Panthalassa - that Laswell (or any of the FOUR sleeve-note writers)
doesn't clue us in to the nature of the source material.
(Before anyone replies, I have read the piece where he describes the
8 track masters of In a Silent Way, and the 30 minute version of the
title piece, from which he presents us with a bonus 55 seconds,
whoopee!)
Sean Wilkie
- -
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 08:48:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: Miles
On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, DR S WILKIE wrote:
> Agharta is uncut. (I was going to say because it's live, but that
> didn't prevent the Fillmore East and Live Evil albums from being
> spliced and - the former - even looped!). But Big Fun and On the
> Corner are presumed to bear the mark of post-production ...
It's been a while since I've heard Big Fun, but I recall a section where
three trumpet solos are overlaid. Either that was postproduction, or Miles
was even more amazing than I thought... :-)
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