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Zorn List Digest         Sunday, June 21 1998         Volume 02 : Number 398



In this issue:
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       Re: Laswell channels Miles
       Re: Laswell channels Miles
       RE: Winter & Winter releases in the US
       RE: Winter & Winter releases in the US
       Re: Winter & Winter releases in the US
       Electric Miles Stereo Fantasy
       Re: Booker Little
       Re: Winter & Winter releases in the US
       Re: Need Help Tracking Down _Meridiem_
       Downtown Lullaby error; Moving Portrait
       uri caine
       Recent Goodies and otherwise

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 02:29:12 -0400
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Laswell channels Miles

Paul Audino wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> > We live in a really strange world... According to the above, Bill says
> > something negative on Teo Macero and Teo Macero refuses to comment (the
> > causal relation is not clearly stated, but it is besides what I am trying
> > to say). If the above is true, I would be tempted to side on Teo Macero's
> > side who has the dignity to shut up when he has nothing special to say.
> > But the person writing this e-mail seems to believe that shutting his
> > mouth is not a correct attitude, but bad mouthing is fine...
>
> I re-checked the article.  It states that Macero was contacted, that he
> was "incensed" at what Bill has done and that he refused to make any
> on-the-record comments.  I don't think that this is an "incorrect
> attitude" as much as it is a curiosity.  If Macero doesn't like what has
> been done, why?  He's offered the forum to air his viewpoint but doesn't
> even offer up any reason why he is displeased, although he is indeed
> displeased.

Teo offered the writer many, many detailed reasons why he didn't like what was
done on "Panthalassa" and on any number of other Miles-related things.  Then he
asked the writer what *he* thought of "Panthalassa" and the writer made the grave
error of indicating that he *liked* it, whereupon Teo set upon the writer and
threatened to sue if anything he'd said was used in print.  Therefore, what would
undoubtedly have been an interesting and valuable part of the overall picture was
summarily shut out.

"Matt Drudge"
[e-mail]


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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 02:47:21 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Laswell channels Miles

Steve Smith wrote:

> Teo offered the writer many, many detailed reasons why he didn't like what was
> done on "Panthalassa" and on any number of other Miles-related things.  Then he
> asked the writer what *he* thought of "Panthalassa" and the writer made the grave
> error of indicating that he *liked* it, whereupon Teo set upon the writer and
> threatened to sue if anything he'd said was used in print.  Therefore, what would
> undoubtedly have been an interesting and valuable part of the overall picture was
> summarily shut out.

Has he spoken about these matters elsewhere? I'd be quite interested in
what he has to say. (Much as I like "Panthalassa", it'll never replace
the original version of, for example, "He Loved Him Madly" for me...)

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:55:42 +0200
From: "Artur Nowak" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Winter & Winter releases in the US

> Paul Motian - _Sound Of Love_

Very nice record, but not so good as "In Tokyo" (IMHO) previously
released by JMT. Usually the scheme for a song is simple: main theme,
solos (Lovano, than Frisell, than together), main theme once again. But
the solos are nice; actually some time ago I was suspicious about
Frisell's collaboration with Motian and Lovano (especially him), but now
I really like their records, the records recorded live (majority of
their albums) are really great and are good remedy for Zorns aggresive
style (sorry for too general expression about maestro).

Anyone can share the impressions about other Motian records? I'm really
eager to learn more.

Details, just for the record:

PAUL MOTIAN TRIO
- - "PAUL MOTIAN, BILL FRISELL & JOE LOVANO LIVE AT THE VILLAGE VANGUARD -
SOUND OF LOVE" (07. - 10.06.1995.)
CD 'C59:25-7' WINTER & WINTER (910 008-2)     199_.
1. Misterioso. (Thelonious MONK) (13:24)/ 2. Duke Ellington's Sound of
Love. (Charles MINGUS) (9:09)/ 3. Mumbo Jumbo. (Paul MOTIAN) (7:29)/ 4.
Once Around the Park. (Paul MOTIAN) (6:48)/ 5. Good Morning Heartache.
(Dan FISHER, Irene HIGGINBOTTOM, Ervin DRAKE) (8:48)/ 6. Epistrophy.
(Thelonious MONK, Liaquat Ali SALAAM) (7:10)/ 7. Play. (Paul MOTIAN)
(6:08).
Bill FRISELL: electric guitar./ Joe LOVANO: tenor saxophone./ Paul
MOTIAN: drums.
20 bit digital recording with Sony PCM 9000 live to two track at the
Village Vanguard, New York City, USA, June 7 trough 10, 1995. Effanel
Location Recording Assistants: James BRIGGS, Brian KINGMAN and John
HARRIS. Recording Engineer: Joe FERLA. Digitally Mastered with Sonic
Solutions Turbo Bit Mapping at Bauer Studios, Ludwigburg, Germany,
September 14, 1996. Engineer: Adrian Von RIPKA. CD SmartPac (c)
19532321.1-53: Herzog+Index. Art&design: stephenbyram. Photography:
Robert LEWIS. Producer: Stefan WINTER. Bill FRISELL appears courtesy of
elektra / asylum / nonesuch records. Joe LOVANO appears courtesy of blue
note records. [100%]

Regards

     __________________________________________________________________
     Artur Nowak [[e-mail]]
     www.silesia.top.pl/~arno/default.htm - Discography of Bill Frisell



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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:55:47 +0200
From: "Artur Nowak" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Winter & Winter releases in the US

> > VA - _From Monk To Bach_ (sampler)
>
> Does anyone own this sampler? I need some info about it.

I don't have detailed info, but it has one track from each of the
released albums. The first track is from "Sound of Love", it is
"Misterioso" by Monk, Uri Caine arrangement of Mahler with Arto Lindsay
on vocals in someplace in the middle, and Bach's piece is the last one
(now you know where the title came from). no more than 10 tracks. No
details this time. One optimistic news though: this sampler has lower
price (24 DM) than other albums (34 DM). I wonder what will be the price
in US? I have to pay ~40 DM for Tzadik CDs in Germany and ~45 for
japanese imports (49,90 for Masadas "Tet"). 8-(

Regards

     __________________________________________________________________
     Artur Nowak [[e-mail]]
     www.silesia.top.pl/~arno/default.htm - Discography of Bill Frisell



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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:33:06 +0200
From: "Felix" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Winter & Winter releases in the US

>Caine/Mahler - _Urlict/Primal Light_

I got this one and was surprized at it's quality. I didn't know anything
from Uri Caine, but the names of Dave Douglas, Joey Baron, Mark Feldman and
Arto Lindsay called me to it. It's really good, specially the the 3rd
movement of symphonie n║ 1, the one from which the french "frΘre Jaques
(sp?)" comes from. Overall, it's a multifaced album going from typical jazz
tunes to klezmer to crazy songs like the drunkard in spring or the drummer
boy. Really good! I stronlgy recommend it!

joey baron (drums); aaron bensoussan (cantor and hand drums); dave binney
(soprano sax); danny blume (guitar and electronics); dean bowman (vocals);
don byron (clarinet); uri caine (piano); dave douglas (trumpet); mark
feldman (violin); michael formanek (bass); larry gould (cello); arto lindsay
(vocals); dj olive (turntables); josh roseman (trombone).

Special attention, as I said above, to Baron and Douglas, they are
incredible (as always)

BTW, could anyone tell me what is the publisher of Zorn's The Big Gundown?

Thanks
Felix
[e-mail]




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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:12:07 -0400
From: Jeff Schwartz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Electric Miles Stereo Fantasy

I recall people who attended the Miles conferences in St.
Louis reporting that Teo was unhappy with the release of
uncut Miles on the Plugged Nickel and Miles/Gil box sets.
While he may not be opposed to the creation of alternate
versions of the pieces, he did not think it should be
issued as played (especially the electric music-I must
agree that Big Fun is not my favorite Miles album but I
don't see the same logic supporting cutting out bits of
solos from the Blackhawk and Plugged Nickel quintet
dates).
Sorry that this is all hearsay.
I have to say that, despite the above, I'm basically down
with what John Corbett said in Downbeat: Laswell's
versions are cool, but when CBS starts boxing up the
electric era, they really should give it up uncut-if I had
to pay for 2 CDs of rehearsals on the Miles/Gil box,
they'd better give me the entire In a Silent Way, Live
Evil, and Jack Johnson sessions.
I'm hoping the next advance in home audio is a multi-track
format where an album could come with a default mix, a
couple of alternates (dry, karaoke, disgruntled
bandmember, whatever) and the listener would be able to
adjust eq, track levels, track panning, effects, etc at
home.
I know some CD-ROMs like Peter Gabriel's and 0(+> had
little toylike remix modules, and it'd be expensive as
hell for everyone to get a 64 channel board for home, but
it could be done virtually, through a computer interface
or a Nintendo-like controller that put the board on your
TV screen. It would kick ass, especially for electric
Miles ("ok, THAT electric piano is Larry Young, THAT one
is Herbie, pan Don Alias hard right and Airto hard left,
turn up Benny Maupin...").
- --
Jeff Schwartz
[e-mail]
http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 12:20:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Booker Little

If you "enjoyed his playing with Eric Dolphy" you probably have "Out
Front" on Candid, which features Dolphy, Roach et. al. If not pick it up.
Also look for Roach's "Freedom Now Suite" (Columbia --when last seen);
and "Percussion Bitter Sweet" (Impulse!). Unfortunately, Little only made
about four LPs undere his own name.

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]


On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Jamie F Graves wrote:

> I just picked up a copy of an old Booker Little album called "In New
> York." I had always enjoyed his playing with Eric Dolphy, and I'm not at
> all dissapointed with the disc. Does anyone have any other Booker Little
> recomendations for me? I know his recorded output is quite small
> considering his premature death.
> Jamie
>
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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 12:33:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Winter & Winter releases in the US

If you liked that, Caine has a more conventionally "jazzy" CD called=20
"Toys" out on JMT. The label is, as you know, defunct, but you can=20
probably still find it.

Ken Waxman
[e-mail]







On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Felix wrote:

> >Caine/Mahler - _Urlict/Primal Light_
>=20
> I got this one and was surprized at it's quality. I didn't know anything
> from Uri Caine, but the names of Dave Douglas, Joey Baron, Mark Feldman a=
nd
> Arto Lindsay called me to it. It's really good, specially the the 3rd
> movement of symphonie n=BA 1, the one from which the french "fr=E9re Jaqu=
es
> (sp?)" comes from. Overall, it's a multifaced album going from typical ja=
zz
> tunes to klezmer to crazy songs like the drunkard in spring or the drumme=
r
> boy. Really good! I stronlgy recommend it!
>=20
> joey baron (drums); aaron bensoussan (cantor and hand drums); dave binney
> (soprano sax); danny blume (guitar and electronics); dean bowman (vocals)=
;
> don byron (clarinet); uri caine (piano); dave douglas (trumpet); mark
> feldman (violin); michael formanek (bass); larry gould (cello); arto lind=
say
> (vocals); dj olive (turntables); josh roseman (trombone).
>=20
> Special attention, as I said above, to Baron and Douglas, they are
> incredible (as always)
>=20
> BTW, could anyone tell me what is the publisher of Zorn's The Big Gundown=
?
>=20
> Thanks
> Felix
> [e-mail]
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> -
>=20
>=20

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:29:54 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Need Help Tracking Down _Meridiem_

At 07:17 PM 6/11/98 +0000, Paul Audino wrote:


>    I could use some leads in my search
>to track down the Laswell/Howard/Hayward/Frith: _Meridiem_ release which
>the Materiali Sonori web page says has been released.  I did find one
>all-Italian web site, but the lack of English translations would make
>ordering a daunting task.

I got a note from Percy Howard today that the US release will be on July 1.


Jeff Spirer
B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/
Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html
Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:04:31 +0000
From: "Charles Gillett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Downtown Lullaby error; Moving Portrait

The liner notes for my copy of _Downtown Lullaby_ have the timings
for the first track and the last track switched.  "484 Broome" is
actually 5:42, and "1 Morton St (Downtown Lullaby)" is 9:00.  All
the other timings are correct.

   The music is good, I think, with a bit of a melancholy feel.  No
one player takes the spotlight for very long--there are some solos,
but for the most part all of the players are working together.  A
little howling and screeching; just enough.

   The new Dave Douglas on DIW hasn't impressed me yet.  It's pretty,
but not much more than that.  I like some of Dave's solos, but Bill
Carrothers doesn't seem to have much of a personality--perhaps one
will emerge upon further listening (I saw him play Fender Rhodes
with the local band Happy Apple, and that wasn't bad, but the context
was quite different).  The rhythm section doesn't move me one way or
another.

   The compositions mostly have that "floating on air" quality that
some of Douglas's other work has ("Petals," by New and Used; a couple
tunes on "Stargazer"); sometimes I wonder if this quality is due to
some group of chords Dave likes to use, but I haven't done the kind
of close analysis it would take to determine that.  All I know for
sure is that he's written several pieces which have a certain similar
quality, and I don't really like any of them.


- -- Charles

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 08:54:53 -0400
From: Alan E Kayser <[e-mail]>
Subject: uri caine

For those of you in the Philadelphia area:

    Uri Caine will be signing copies of his Winter & Winter cd
"Mahler-Urlicht" at Classical Choice, 122 S 21st Street on Wednesday,
June 24 from 5 to 8pm.  This is a follow up to his European trip and
recent trio date at Chris' on Sansom Street.

    Come early!

    Be on the lookout for more news on upcoming concerts presented by
Sweetnighter Productions.  Listen to Mike Harrison on WRTI for news, and
our listings in the City Paper and Philly Weekly.


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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:37:14 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Recent Goodies and otherwise

GAVIN BRYARS        A MAN IN A ROOM, GAMBLING    POINT

The title pieces (five are presented out of the ten which make up the
entire work) are rather unique. Intended as radio inserts similar to BBC
radio shipping reports (our British subscribers might have a better idea
of the context), they consist of an English-speaking, Spanish-accented
narrator describing various card-sharping techniques accompanied by
moody, often poignant music for Bryars' small ensemble. It's often very
funny, sometimes a bit oddly sad. Of the remaining pieces, 'Les
Fiancailles' from 1983 begins in the same territory as Bryars'
'Hommages' from around the same time (an old favorite of mine) and
wanders very close to that old Zornian standby, Messaien's 'Louange a
l'Eternite....'. Very nice. The other two works, 'The North Shore' and
'The South Downs' stick to that, for me, ho-hum area he's been
inhabiting in recent years. Pretty, but kinda blah.

I understand Point is planning to release the original Obscure recording
of 'Jesus' Blood...' and '...Titanic'. Those who only know these pieces
from the recent recordings (as well as those of us with the eroding
vinyl) would do well to pick this up; a desert island disc. I'd add,
though, that I find the 1990 recording of 'Titanic' on Les Disques de
Crepuscule to be even better than the original, but I'm not sure how
difficult this is to come by.

DEREK BAILEY/MIN XIAO FEN    VIPER            AVANT

Caught this duo in the fall at the Knit and had the same problem then as
with this release (recorded 12/97): As much as I love Min's work in
traditional Chinese music (check out her fine disc on Asphodel), I just
don't find her a compelling free improvisor and, as many have before
her, I think she bends too readily to Mr. Bailey (who I don't think is
in top form here either). He makes several nods towards her style, she
follows for a moment, then "retreats" into some fairly bland improv. I'd
much rather have heard Bailey being Bailey, Min being Min, and seeing if
they'd meet somewhere. Not terrible, mind you, but nowhere near as
scintillating as one would have hoped. BTW, much praise to Ikue Mori for
another stunning graphic design, virtually worth the price of the disc!

Not quite "Recent", but new to my collection and worth hearing:

ARCADO STRING TRIO    LIVE IN EUROPE        AVANT

Nice work, but I'd love to hear these guys loosen up a bit more.
Dresser's and Feldman's own music often seems to have an academic strain
to it that gnaws at me a bit. C'mon guys, have some fun!

HINDEMITH/SCHULHOFF/SCHREKER    TANZ GROTESK        LONDON

Three enjoyable early to mid 20th century pieces by composers the Third
Reich considered 'degenerate' ("Entartete Musik"). While I'm
uncomfortable with the popular idea that _anything_ liked by this or
that human beast must be terrible and _anything_ hated by same must be
good (similarly, with the tastes of this or that "saint"), these are
fine pieces, especially Hindemith's 'Der Damon'.

On the other hand, two bargain bin buys that would've been better off
unbought:

EUGENE CHADBOURNE    CAMPER VAN CHADBOURNE        FUNDAMENTAL

From, I imagine, around 1988. I tend to enjoy EC's guitar work and other
music, but his puerile politics make me think of some precocious 10-year
old who's just discovered the notion of hypocrisy. Those TV preachers
are scumbags?! No! You're kidding!! Southern whites are sometimes
racist?! You don't say! Couldn't find any easier targets, Eugene? Feh.

(VARIOUS)        VALIS, VOL 1        SUBHARMONIC

One or two OK cuts (Laswell's and one by Corporal Blossom, whoever that
is). Much boring dub and various tedious (to me) house forms.
Sub-moronic liner notes from DJ Spooky, whose pieces here I found
disappointing, considering his involvement with Xenakis and such.

All for now,

Brian Olewnick

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