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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #395
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, June 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 395
In this issue:
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Net Audio
Re: Net Audio
Re: Henry Threadgill/Butch Morris
Re: Henry Threadgill/Butch Morris
Re: Henry Threadgill/Butch Morris
Re: Bennie Maupin / Eddie Henderson
New Lounge Lizards
Speaking Of Threadgill...
Re: Henry Threadgill/Butch Morris
Public Service Announcement re: new Cecil Taylor on FMP
meridiem record
Re: meridiem record
New Series at the KF
mistake on Masada-8
Re: Speaking Of Threadgill...
Re: Public Service Announcement re: new Cecil Taylor on FMP
Knitting Factory
Info needed: FMP/AACM Jazz fest- Atlanta, GA. July 16-18
Re: Knitting Factory
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:38:42 -0500
From: Joe Germuska <j-germuska@nwu.edu>
Subject: Net Audio
>> Does anyone knows of a good site for music excepts?
shameless self-promotion especially because it's not really what you were
looking for, but WNUR is now "broadcasting" via RealAudio. We program
"jazz" every morning from 5 am - 12:30 pm Central time (GMT -500 right
now). More complete details can be found on our website
<http://www.wnur.org/>
More shameless and more self-ish: I DJ "Continental Drift" ("world" music)
on Mondays 12:30 - 2 and "Jazz" on Thursdays from 10 - 12:30. Sorry, no
net connection in On-air control, so you still have to phone in your
requests :-)
So you don't get to pick what you hear, but perhaps still you'll hear
something that excites you...
Joe
- --
* Joe Germuska {j-germuska@nwu.edu} | Learning Technologies Group
<http://www.nwu.edu/people/j-germuska> | Northwestern University
"One thing I've learned about time...
...It moves very slowly." --LaMonte Young
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:12:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul Audino <psaudino@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: Net Audio
On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Joe Germuska wrote:
> >> Does anyone knows of a good site for music excepts?
>
> shameless self-promotion especially because it's not really what you were
> looking for, but WNUR is now "broadcasting" via RealAudio. We program
> "jazz" every morning from 5 am - 12:30 pm Central time (GMT -500 right
> now). More complete details can be found on our website
> <http://www.wnur.org/>
>
> More shameless and more self-ish: I DJ "Continental Drift" ("world" music)
> on Mondays 12:30 - 2 and "Jazz" on Thursdays from 10 - 12:30. Sorry, no
> net connection in On-air control, so you still have to phone in your
> requests :-)
As a fellow WNUR DJ I'll hop on the shameless self-promotion train with
Joe. My show is currently on from 5AM-7:30AM CST on Wednesday mornings.
I have a soft spot for the New York downtown scene, and artists such as
Zorn and Laswell frequently appear on my playlists. If you ever happen to
be up at these insanely early hours, give a listen and let me know what
you think.
Thanks,
Paul
psaudino@interaccess.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:52:12 EDT
From: <Dgasque@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Henry Threadgill/Butch Morris
In a message dated 98-06-16 03:28:38 EDT, you write:
<< I've liked pretty much all of the conductions I've heard to some extent.
The box set on New World is cost prohibitive to most, but there's some
fantastic music in there. The single disc "Homeing" is also a singular
statement of incredible lyricism and beauty, though I don't know that this
is part of the official "conductions" series. >>
You are correct- the booklet accompanying the _Testement_ box does not list
_Homeing_ as a conduction. It is interesting to note the number of
conductions documented up to that point- 50 of them as of March 5, 1995. In
this case, the box set itself represents less than half of these conductions
as a whole. One wonders how many of these suffered an early demise due to the
musicians "not clicking" on that day.
=dgasque=
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:00:42 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Henry Threadgill/Butch Morris
On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:52:12 EDT Dgasque@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-06-16 03:28:38 EDT, you write:
>
> << I've liked pretty much all of the conductions I've heard to some extent.
> The box set on New World is cost prohibitive to most, but there's some
> fantastic music in there. The single disc "Homeing" is also a singular
> statement of incredible lyricism and beauty, though I don't know that this
> is part of the official "conductions" series. >>
>
> You are correct- the booklet accompanying the _Testement_ box does not list
> _Homeing_ as a conduction. It is interesting to note the number of
> conductions documented up to that point- 50 of them as of March 5, 1995. In
> this case, the box set itself represents less than half of these conductions
> as a whole. One wonders how many of these suffered an early demise due to the
> musicians "not clicking" on that day.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Or Derek Bailey putting his guitar back in its box and leaving after 10 mn :-).
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:54:21 -0700
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Henry Threadgill/Butch Morris
At 02:57 AM 6/16/98 -0400, Steve Smith wrote:...
By the way, Reuters ran a story on Threadgill despite the lack of a label
for his work:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/entertainment/story.html?s=z/reuters/98
0616/entertainment/stories/review_musichenry_1.html
Jeff Spirer
B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/
Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html
Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:03:05 +0200
From: stamil@t-online.de (Chris Genzel)
Subject: Re: Bennie Maupin / Eddie Henderson
> There are also solo records by Bennie Maupin and Eddie Henderson from that
> same era that explore the whole "Sextant" sound... don't recall the titles
> off-hand, but it's worth exploring their discographies for more material in
> that vein.
Sadly, none of the following albums have been reissued on CD:
Bennie Maupin has 3 albums as a leader, one (the first) is in the sextant
vein, the other two are in the Headhunters vein.
1974 - The Jewel In The Lotus
with Herbie Hancock, Billy Hart, Buster Williams, Bill Summers, ...
1976 - Slow Traffic To The Right
with Blackbyrd McKnight, ...
1978 - Moonscapes
with ???
Eddie Henderson released a whole lot of albums in the 1970's (which were all,
AFAIK, quite funky), remained quiet in the 1980's and started to release
hard bop records in the 1990's:
1973 - Realization
with Herbie Hancock, Bennie Maupin, Billy Hart, Buster Williams, Patrick
Gleeson, Lenny White ...
1974 - Inside Out
with Hancock, Maupin, Williams, Hart, Gleeson, Bill Summers, ...
1975 - Sunburst
with Hart, Maupin, Julian Priester, Williams, Harvey Mason, Alphonso
Johnson, Bobby Hutcherson, George Duke, ...
1976 - Heritage
with Priester, Hart, Patrice Rushen, Mtume, Mike Clarke, Hadley Caliman,
Paul Jackson, ...
1977 - Comin' Through
see Heritage
1978 - Mahal
with Hancock, Maupin, Priester, Summers, Jackson, Mtume, Ray Obiedo, ...
1979 - Running To Your Love
with ????
May I add the Julian Priester albums of the 1970's which lovers of the
Sextant days might also find interesting (they also are not available on
CD (though LL will be in 1999), but I have the vinyl versions):
1974 - Love, Love
with Hadley Caliman, Patrick Gleeson, ...
1977 - Polarization
with Ray Obiedo and other players which are unknown to me
You see, there's quite a lot out there, and, according to the personnel,
it all seems very interesting (to me at least). Wish I could get my hands
on these records!!
Kind regards,
- Chris.
---------------------------------------------
* Chris Genzel --- stamil@t-online.de *
* Homepage & Herbie Hancock Discography at: *
* http://home.t-online.de/home/stamil/ *
---------------------------------------------
- -
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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:39:35 -0400
From: Mark Saleski <marks@foliage.com>
Subject: New Lounge Lizards
i just picked up the new Lounge Lizards - "Queen of All Ears"
pretty cool stuff. reminds me of the material on Live In Tokyo.
cut #8 is called "John Zorn's S&M Circus". heh.
also got Laswell's 'ambient dub volume II' in the cheapo rack for $5.99
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:26:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul Audino <psaudino@interaccess.com>
Subject: Speaking Of Threadgill...
Does anyone out there know of a source for his now out-of-print _Easily
Slip Into Another World_ CD that was released on Novus about a decade ago?
Thanks,
Paul
psaudino@interaccess.com
GROOVE
- ----------
One Nation
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:50:48 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@IDT.NET>
Subject: Re: Henry Threadgill/Butch Morris
Steve Smith wrote:
> I fully understand everything you said in your reponse to the Morris
> performance, but I have to say that I felt that the first piece was a
> complete success... to me it sounded like the early '70s Miles band as
> orchestrated by Luciano Berio... long static washes of dissonance with the
> funk band bursting out, seemingly randomly (as in "Sinfonia"), only to
> recede until its next outburst.
Part of my problem with the piece was that the "randomness" of the
alterations between funk and dissonance only seemed (to me) random in
the sense that Morris felt like he had to do _something_ up there to
justify his role as conductor. Many times I would have enjoyed letting
the band simply continue on, either funkily or dissonantly, to see what
they'd discover. I found myself thinking, "OK, Butch, provide these guys
with the germ of your idea and let them take off with it." But, I guess
that wouldn't be a "conduction". Bitch, bitch bitch....
Brian Olewnick
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:53:32 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Public Service Announcement re: new Cecil Taylor on FMP
I've just picked up the new Cecil Taylor CD "The Tree of Life" (along
with the new Butch Morris 2CD "Berlin Skyscraper") on FMP. And while it
is a typically powerful and beautiful CT solo disc, I just want to
mention that nowhere on the outside of the package ((C) and (P) 1998) is
there any evidence to indicate that the recording actually dates from
3/19/91, a live performance from the "Deutsche Oper Berlin." CT fans
will be more than satisfied by the performance, but the lack of CT
recordings more recent than 1993 (the date "Always a Pleasure" was
recorded) continues. I haven't a clue why this should be.
Anyone here catch CT's gig at Tribeca Hall during the Texaco Festival?
Once again, as when he was at Iridium earlier in the year, what was
billed as a trio was in fact a quartet, which in itself would have been
incentive for me to go hear them Soprano saxophonist Harri Sj=F6str=F6m =
was
on this date and the Iridium run, neither of which I knew about until
well after the fact. Is it really that hard to get the facts right when
it's CT? (A rhetorical question... it's late and I'm cranky...)
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:58:32 +0200
From: Stefan Verstraeten <stefan.verstraeten@advalvas.be>
Subject: meridiem record
Dear Frith-ies and Zornies,
Just got a copy of the new album (meridiem) by fred frith, hayward,
howard and the ubiquous bill laswell.
I really recommend this album, frith really shows a different side of
himself, not so 'academic' like on 'the previous evening' or albums like
that. This time he plays more in a 'pop style' but still with his
typical 'sound' (distortion, improv,...).
Favorite tracks are: Iurodivi (frith on accoustic guitar, beautiful) and
Lunarsa (frith on violin).
How does the album sound: sort of ambient, but with an edge...
By the way: has anyone on the list got a copy of the new frith album on
tzadik records? How does it sound ????
- --
Stefan Verstraeten
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:31:52 +0200
From: "Stephane Vuilleumier" <vuilleumier@micro.biol.ethz.ch>
Subject: Re: meridiem record
somebody described Meridiem to me as having David Sylvian or Peter Gabriel
singing...
I found this a bit harsh, but actually (and unfortunately) rather accurate.
Can somebody give more info more about Percy Howard?
Stephane
- -----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Verstraeten <stefan.verstraeten@advalvas.be>
To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>;
fred@nostromo.dataway.ch <fred@nostromo.dataway.ch>
Date: Mittwoch, 17. Juni 1998 12:04
Subject: meridiem record
>Dear Frith-ies and Zornies,
>Just got a copy of the new album (meridiem) by fred frith, hayward,
>howard and the ubiquous bill laswell.
>I really recommend this album, frith really shows a different side of
>himself, not so 'academic' like on 'the previous evening' or albums like
>that. This time he plays more in a 'pop style' but still with his
>typical 'sound' (distortion, improv,...).
>Favorite tracks are: Iurodivi (frith on accoustic guitar, beautiful) and
>Lunarsa (frith on violin).
>How does the album sound: sort of ambient, but with an edge...
>
>By the way: has anyone on the list got a copy of the new frith album on
>tzadik records? How does it sound ????
>--
>Stefan Verstraeten
>
>-
>
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:31:05 -0400
From: gsg@juno.com (Geoff S Gersh)
Subject: New Series at the KF
Straylight Dialogues w/ Pauline Oliveros
Monday, June 29, 1998 - 9& 11 pm
Alterknit Theater, Knitting Factory, 74 Leonard St. NYC
info / tix 212.219.3006 email:straylight@juno.com
Straylight Dialogues is a new series at the Knitting Factory featuring
the
ambient, avant world trio Straylight with special guest improvising
artists /
ensembles performing alone and in collaboration. Straylight's members
Jason
Finkelman (berimbau, riti, percussion), Geoff Gersh (guitar), and Charles
Cohen (Buchla music easel) launch the series premiere with Pauline
Oliveros
(accordion, voice). Composer / performer Pauline Oliveros is a pioneer
in
electronic and improvised music, a founding member of the Deep Listening
Band, which is currently celebrating it's 10th anniversary season, and an
educator who teaches her Deep Listening strategies throughout the world.
The Straylight Dialogues series is presented every last Monday of the
month at
the Knitting Factory, and will continue with an emphasis on improvisors
combining ambient sound, ethnic and experimental instruments, and collage
form.
Upcoming concerts:
Straylight Dialogues w/ Steve Gorn and John Wieczorek
Monday, July 27, 1998 - 9 & 11pm
Straylight Dialogues w/ Joe McPhee and Michael West
Monday, August 31, 1998 - 9 & 11pm
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- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:59:12 +0300 (WET)
From: Vadim Marmer <msvadi@olive.mscc.huji.ac.il>
Subject: mistake on Masada-8
i posted that message before, but because i have not received any response
to it i`m posting it again.
i just received a copy of Masada-8 (Het), and i saw that the Hebrew
letter that printed in the circle on the disc is not "HET", it`s "ZAYIN".
i wonder if the same mistakes appears on all copies of Masada Het. anybody
here saw it also? i suppose that there`s enough people on that list who
have Masada Het, i really want to know if that mistake appears on all CDs.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:41:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Speaking Of Threadgill...
Check your local large store delete bin. That's where I found all the
Threadgill and Braxton Novus CDs here in Toronto @ $4.99 to $7.99 (Can) each.
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Paul Audino wrote:
>
> Does anyone out there know of a source for his now out-of-print _Easily
> Slip Into Another World_ CD that was released on Novus about a decade ago?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
> psaudino@interaccess.com
>
> GROOVE
> ----------
> One Nation
>
>
>
> -
>
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:51:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Public Service Announcement re: new Cecil Taylor on FMP
Hey Steve:
=09You live in NYC and you're "in the business". Can't you find=20
someone in Manhattan who represents, manages or is friends with CT to=20
answer those questions below?
=09I too was initially excited when I heard there was a new=20
Taylor CD, then disappointed when I realized it was seven years old.
=09Can someone get Cecil into ther studio with Jackson & Krall and=20
whomever? I'm sure we're not the only ones who would savor some new Cecil=
=20
discs.
Waiting expectantly in Toronto
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Steve Smith wrote:
> I've just picked up the new Cecil Taylor CD "The Tree of Life" (along
> with the new Butch Morris 2CD "Berlin Skyscraper") on FMP. And while it
> is a typically powerful and beautiful CT solo disc, I just want to
> mention that nowhere on the outside of the package ((C) and (P) 1998) is
> there any evidence to indicate that the recording actually dates from
> 3/19/91, a live performance from the "Deutsche Oper Berlin." CT fans
> will be more than satisfied by the performance, but the lack of CT
> recordings more recent than 1993 (the date "Always a Pleasure" was
> recorded) continues. I haven't a clue why this should be.
>=20
> Anyone here catch CT's gig at Tribeca Hall during the Texaco Festival?
> Once again, as when he was at Iridium earlier in the year, what was
> billed as a trio was in fact a quartet, which in itself would have been
> incentive for me to go hear them Soprano saxophonist Harri Sj=F6str=F6m =
was
> on this date and the Iridium run, neither of which I knew about until
> well after the fact. Is it really that hard to get the facts right when
> it's CT? (A rhetorical question... it's late and I'm cranky...)
>=20
> Steve Smith
> ssmith36@sprynet.com
>=20
>=20
> -
>=20
>=20
- -
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:09:33 EDT
From: <TagYrIt@aol.com>
Subject: Knitting Factory
Has anyone gotten any music online form the Knitting Factory ever since the JZ
fiasco?
Thanks.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:30:42 EDT
From: <Dgasque@aol.com>
Subject: Info needed: FMP/AACM Jazz fest- Atlanta, GA. July 16-18
Can anyone supply or point me to some info on this upcoming festival? Much
obliged!!
=dgasque=
- -
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:39:11 -0400
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Knitting Factory
TagYrIt@aol.com wrote:
> Has anyone gotten any music online form the Knitting Factory ever since the JZ
> fiasco?
I watched a few minutes of the Miya Masaoka / William Parker / Susie Ibarra gig
Monday night but as there was no sound coming through I signed off.
There is now a stipulation in the contract of all main space performers to allow
or deny the webcast, and supposedly most musicians are cool with it.
Steve "Matt Drudge" Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
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