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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #373
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, May 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 373
In this issue:
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Re: Dutch Music recommendations sought/Whitehead book
Re: Dutch Music recommendations sought
Re: looking for...
Clusone
Re: Penguin Guide To Jazz On CD
Kronos in the Katmandu box
Re: Kronos in the Katmandu box
Re: Kronos in the Katmandu box
Re: Kronos in the Katmandu box
Re: Kronos in the Katmandu box
naked city
Yoshihide recs
Re: naked city
Perception?
recent goodies
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 21:44:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Dutch Music recommendations sought/Whitehead book
You can hear Wierbos on a few of Gerry Hemmingway's hatArt
recordings, The Marmalade King comes quickest to mind.
As for Whitehead's book, I think it's well done, but whoever did the
index should be shot. It's so limited and skimpy as to necessitate
looking through the entire volume to find additional information.
To take one example, Burton Greene has one reference in the index. At my
count he's mentioned at least six times.
Mr. Information
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:55:19 +0100
From: Dan Given <dlgiven@julian.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: Dutch Music recommendations sought
Brian Olewnick asked:
>So, if anyone out there can
>recommend recordings by any of the following folk or groups, I'd be much
>obliged: Maarten Altena (I've heard some of the Hat Art stuff from the
>late 80's), Available Jelly, Ab Baars, Peter van Bergen, Michael Braam,
>Guus Janssen, Paul Termos and Wolter Wierbos.
Brian-congratulations on finishing the book. I got too busy and had to set
it aside for a while.
As for what Dutch music I think is worth checking out, beyond the obvious
(not all from your list):
Wolter Wierbos- X Caliber (ICP)-solo trombone from a couple of years ago.
Often quiet, melodic, and fun, not really things generally associated with
solo trombone. One of my favs from last year.
If you ever happen across the Podium Trio disc (Van Kamenade, Wierbos,
Kuiper) on Diskus, pick it up. Odd. Free improv, bebop, fusion, all over
the place. Not really what I would call good, but interesting. Probably
not easy to find though.
Sean Bergin- Kids Mysteries (Nimbus)- many great players here (Bennink,
Reijseger, Wierbos, Honsinger, Glerum, Moore...). Lots of fun. African
inspired compositions setting up improvs. Some of the best writing I can
think of.
Tobias Delius- The Heron (ICP)- Delius has a big tenor sound (reminds me of
someone like Dexter Gordon). With Bennink and Honsinger. I don't know
what to say, except I really like it.
Eric Boeren- Crossbreeding (BIMhuis)- Dutch (read: off beat)
interpretations of Ornette. Boeren on trumpet leading various quartets w/
Baars, Bergin, Glerum,...Good introduction to many of the players.
Wim Janssen- Lighter (Geestgronden)- Wim and Guus Janssen, Ernst Glerum.
The title says it all; a lighter (but not fluffy) version of, say, a
Mengelberg trio record. very nice.
I have yet to hear any Altena I really like, except for his contribution to
Marion Brown's Porto Novo. Recommendations welcome.
As an aside, in the book Wilbert De Joode mentions playing with Denis
Charles and Jemeel Moondoc. This recording has recently been issued as
Captain of the Deep on Eremite. A must have. Heavily Ornette influenced,
Moondoc is great, De Joode is wonderful and really well recorded, Charles
was the master of rimshots. Will be at the top of my list for this years
best.
Dan
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:39:11 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Oger <oger@worldnet.fr>
Subject: Re: looking for...
There is a good mail order service : Metamkine (located in France)
Adress is : metamkine@compuserve.com.
They have "Impropositions" and a lot of great, hard to find music.
Jacques Oger
>Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 15:07:30 -0400
>From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
>Subject:
>
>Hey! I'm trying to locate copies of two CD's that I'm having an
>absolutely impossible time finding. They are 'Impropositions' by Mats
>Gustafsson (1996 - Phono Suecia, PSCD 99) and 'Live At Fasching' by Gush
>(1996 - Dragon, DRCD 313). North Country doesn't have them and neither
>does Allegro (whom I believe carries both these labels?). They aren't at
>Forced Exposure or Wayside either.
>
>If anybody knows how I can find these titles (at a decent price) or if
>you see either in stock at your local stores and would be willing to
>pick them up for me (obviously I'd give you the money!), please let me
>know. Thanks!
>
> -Tom Pratt
>
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 08:26:05 -0400
From: Alan E Kayser <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: Clusone
Was anyone out there lucky enough to tape Clusone at the KF? I have
lots to trade, so get in touch.
Thanks
Alan
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:08:35 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Penguin Guide To Jazz On CD
An indispensable reference book, yes. But, having noticed so many
people mention it, I wonder if y'all would like to help me with a
little project I've had in mind for a while now. basically, this
would involve compiling the many ERRORS in the book: e.g. (my
favourite) the review of David Murray's "Children" album (this is in
both the first and second edition, maybe the third too) where they
complain about James Blood Ulmer and Don Pullen "getting in each
other's way"; unlikely, really, as both play on just one track each
and - you guessed it - it isn't the same track.
Now, I'm not interested in matters of disagreement, tho' i do include
things like the different rating given to Paul Motian Trio "one Time
Out" when it's reviewed under Lovano's name!
There are plenty of albums reviewed but not listed, and listed but
not reviewed. And some where it's hard to work out which - if
either - of these is the case (eg Paul Motian, where they talk
of a Soul Note [album] which covers The Man I Love and other
standards, but which looks as though it can only be wrongly referring
to One Time Out). Also, mistaken catalogue numbers??
And, an interesting category would consist of gullibly following
mistaken info from album sleeves (there's one about David Murray, the
bass clarinet, Butch Morris' tune, Red Car, and the sleeve note
to the I Want To Talk About You live album, which is too complicated
to go into here)
The idea would be to forward the end result to the authors.
If you've got any favourite bloopers, then, please post them to me
personally, s.wilkie@swan.ac.uk, though I'm happy for them to go on
the list too if they're entertaining (ie NOT wrong catalogue numbers
eg). Please put "Penguin Guide" in the message subject line (so I
can file them easily). Also, PLEASE, indicate which edition or
editions you're referring to (and page no. too would be super!).
Sean Wilkie
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 19:16:32 +0300 (WET)
From: Vadim Marmer <msvadi@olive.mscc.huji.ac.il>
Subject: Kronos in the Katmandu box
i think, it was the strangest purchase in my life. i saw the disc of
"katmandu" ( i don`t know anything about that band, late i was told that
they play heavy metal) on sale for something like $4. i don`t know why
(may be cheapness) i decided to check it... but inside the box i found
Kronos Quartet`s "Released 1985-1995(disc one)". i picked up it,
and it`s really great, it`s my favorite now, and i feel that i have to buy
more. i understand, that it`s compilation, but because instead KQ i have
only "katmandu" sleeve i cann`t know the where songs are taken from.
can anybody send me the list of songs (and info from which albums they are
taken)? also any recommendation of others KQ albums will be appreciated
(before that, i heard them only on Spillane).
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:25:04 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: Kronos in the Katmandu box
On Tue, 19 May 1998, Vadim Marmer wrote:
> can anybody send me the list of songs (and info from which albums they are
> taken)? also any recommendation of others KQ albums will be appreciated
> (before that, i heard them only on Spillane).
See http://www.lochnet.com/client/gs/kq_released8595.html
(Someday the idea of Web searching will catch on...)
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:15:31 -0400
From: "Snap" <qfwfqf@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kronos in the Katmandu box
Vadim wrote:
>can anybody send me the list of songs (and info from which albums they are
>taken)? also any recommendation of others KQ albums will be appreciated
>(before that, i heard them only on Spillane).
>
Although a good album - yet by no means an archtypal compendium of
Kronos at their best, IMHO - "Released" seems to present their sunnier side,
considering that more extravagant peices of Crumb's "Black Angels" remain
exclusively on the album of the same name. Other good 'uns are:
Short Stories - probably their most eclectic (and my personal
favorite), with arrangements from Elliott Sharp, Steven Mackey, John Oswald,
and John Zorn.
Night Prayers - a dark offering of Eastern European composers like
Sofia Gubaidulina, Osvaldo Golijov, et al.
The Dreams and Prayers of Isaac the Blind - by Osvaldo Golijov, for
string quartet and clarinets (David Krakauer).
Ghost Opera - for string quartet, water, rocks, paper, and chinese
pipa (Wu Man) by Tan Dun.
The double CD Salome and the Last Dance for Peace (sic?) by Terry Riley
is all right, as is Early Music, which, I believe is their latest. Not too
familiar with White Man Sleeps or their albums of Philip Glass or Morton
Feldman, as I didn't find them interesting enough at the used CD shops to go
beyond just listing through them and actually buying them. There are a few
more full lengths and around a dozen of EPs, one of which is Bob Ostertag's
All the Rage, which I'd like to check out. Anyone heard this one yet?
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:39:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Kronos in the Katmandu box
On Tue, 19 May 1998, Vadim Marmer wrote:
> can anybody send me the list of songs (and info from which albums they are
> taken)? also any recommendation of others KQ albums will be appreciated
> (before that, i heard them only on Spillane).
Not knowing what you liked on the compilation (or what's on it), I'd
recommend buying albums featuring compositions by composers you're into or
with guest instrumentalists you like. I'm currently biggest on their
mid-80's Landmark records, featuring mostly pretty cool arrangements of
compositions by Monk, Ellington, Bill Evans and Miles Davis, and available
as a cheap 2-disc set on 32 Jazz. But if you don't like the original
composers, this probably isn't a good place to start with them or Kronos.
Chris Hamilton
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:39:22 -0400
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: Kronos in the Katmandu box
Snap wrote:
>
> Vadim wrote:
>
> >can anybody send me the list of songs (and info from which albums they are
> >taken)? also any recommendation of others KQ albums will be appreciated
> >(before that, i heard them only on Spillane).
> >
>
> Although a good album - yet by no means an archtypal compendium of
> Kronos at their best, IMHO - "Released" seems to present their sunnier side,
> considering that more extravagant peices of Crumb's "Black Angels" remain
> exclusively on the album of the same name. Other good 'uns are:
> Short Stories - probably their most eclectic (and my personal
> favorite), with arrangements from Elliott Sharp, Steven Mackey, John Oswald,
> and John Zorn.
> Night Prayers - a dark offering of Eastern European composers like
> Sofia Gubaidulina, Osvaldo Golijov, et al.
> The Dreams and Prayers of Isaac the Blind - by Osvaldo Golijov, for
> string quartet and clarinets (David Krakauer).
> Ghost Opera - for string quartet, water, rocks, paper, and chinese
> pipa (Wu Man) by Tan Dun.
>
> The double CD Salome and the Last Dance for Peace (sic?) by Terry Riley
> is all right, as is Early Music, which, I believe is their latest. Not too
> familiar with White Man Sleeps or their albums of Philip Glass or Morton
> Feldman, as I didn't find them interesting enough at the used CD shops to go
> beyond just listing through them and actually buying them. There are a few
> more full lengths and around a dozen of EPs, one of which is Bob Ostertag's
> All the Rage, which I'd like to check out. Anyone heard this one yet?
>
> -
Also, their Nonesuch disc of Henryk Gorecki's first two String Quartets
is pretty amazing. Very dark and intense... check it out!
-Tom Pratt
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Date: Wed, 20 May 98 00:27:13 +0200
From: gsliepen <georgette.sliepen@ci.educ.lu>
Subject: naked city
I'm looking for some Naked City CD's.Can anybody give me some suggestions
for their
albums?
Ol
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 18:47:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: matthew.colonnese@yale.edu (Matthew Colonnese)
Subject: Yoshihide recs
>On a totally unrelated note, I want to purchase some more of Otomo's stuff.
>I'm particularly interested in the stuff he did with Phew. Does anybody own
>any of that, and if so what does it sound like?
So this is old, I've been meaning to get to it, but hoping someone else
would. The only Phew/Otomo thing I know of the Novo Tono album on Creative
Man (name escapes me). It's a decent solid recording of an arty sometimes
noisy rock band. Phew, of course, does alot of talk vocalizing over quiet
numbers and an occasional more "out" piece, though nothing really crazed.
I rarely get the urge to listen to this, and given the participants I
expected more. No sampling craziness from Otomo, certainly.
I had the same reaction the Dragon Blue album on Avant. Stellar lineup,
decent rock band. While I guess it's nice that these folks can just have
fun and play rock and roll once in a while, I'm not sure I needed to hear
it. The drummer is very good, certain prog appeal overal throughout, but
overall I feel a studied distance in everyone's playing. What else has
Tenko done? I really liked her duet album with Ikue Mori.
matt
- ------
"Finally, a thing-a-ma-giggy that would bring people together...even if it
kept them apart, spatially."
- -
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 08:17:21 +0100
From: "Bas Stienen" <qqbs@oce.nl>
Subject: Re: naked city
> I'm looking for some Naked City CD's.Can anybody give me some suggestions
> for their
> albums?
There are several excellent CD's from Naked City. I've got:
Radio
Torture Garden
Heretic
There are all noise albums with lovely sreaming of EYE
I recommend these albums
greetings
SC
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:00:07 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Perception?
Jeff Schuth wrote:
>Somewhere along the way, we all heard something that your wife
>didn't in this music
The difficulty with this, I think, is akin to ambiguity. It veers
between being true just because "we" like it and "your wife" doesn't -
that is, just a way of expressing that fact - and being instead
possibly true, in the way in which "your wife" MIGHT like it anyway,
EVEN THOUGH she didn't hear what "we" heard in it.
In the second sense, what "we" hear can be quite simple (a particular
instrument, or a particular phrase or quote, or even a mistake) or
something more complex (inversions, some large scale organisational
feature, some relationship with another piece of music, or even
perhaps that elusive "content" stuff that folks have been jabbering
about)
My worry is that there may be a tendency to think if it's true
in the first sense then that MUST BE because there is something
(probably of the complex variety) in the second sense that "we" hear
but that "your wife" doesn't. They seem to me instead to be separate
questions, even though it MAY BE that "your wife"'s failure to hear
something (2nd sense) contributes to her not liking it.
Sean Wilkie
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:21:11 -0400
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: recent goodies
Some recent acquisitions.
Elliot Sharp, Spring & Neap (Zoar). Listmember Tom Pratt's been
raving about this one since the top 20 thread a while back, so I
decided to take the plunge into this tidal sensory overload. One
medium-short piece (35 min) of waves which start quietly enough, but
build into a most delightful chaos. Excellent recommendation, but it
would definitely be a candidate for the too-short-CDs thread that
crops up periodically.
Teiji Ito, Meshes (Non Sequitur). Experimental film music from the
1950s and 1970s. Lots of primitive sounding percussion and wooden
flutes, sounding almost native American sometimes. On the weekends,
early in the morning, we've been opening the windows at home and
listening to all of the birds before the traffic and power tool noises
become too loud, and this CD fits in perfectly with the birdsong.
It's fairly sparse, and mostly acoustic instruments, although the
techniques to construct the original tapes required fairly
sophisticated studio work.
Ulrich Kreiger, Walls of Sound (O.O.). Three pieces for multitracked
sax and one for multitracked didgeridoo. Three of the four pieces are
based on drones, and one of them, a version of John Cage's Four, is
stunningly beautiful. The non-drone piece, Video Sax by Joseph Celli,
is somewhat out of place, but the other three works are very nice.
Christian Marclay, Records (Atavistic). My first exposure to
Marclay's solo work leaves me somewhat disappointed. While the work
that he does is certainly interesting, my expectations are set by
Plexure (since I've been seeing the word 'plunderphonic' applied to
Marclay's work). I'm starting to think that Plexure is the ne plus
ultra of plunderphonics, so I need to set this one aside and come back
to it when my expectations have been revised. Very similar to Martin
Tetrault's cutup vinyl work on Ambiences Magnetiques.
ReR Contemporary Music CMCD. ReR's collection of musique concrete was
another mild disappointment, first because I'd forgotten how much of
this I have on vinyl, but also because one of the two pieces which I
didn't have (Richard Trythall's Omaggio a Jerry Lee Lewis), and for
which I had the same too-high plunderphonic-type expectations as
Marclay, moved me much less than I'd hoped. Sigh. The Oswald piece
on this CD is one of his more subtle works, based on Satie's music.
Lutz Glandien has an amazing work for tuba and tape, and Steve Moore
contributes a very moving environmental soundscape.
Fred Frith, The Previous Evening (ReR). Overall my favorite from this
bunch, three composed pieces based on the methods of Cage, Feldman,
and Brown. The Cage piece, which is first on the CD, is chaotic,
starting with demonic laughter, having random quotes from Cage's
books, episodic noises, etc. The Feldman piece is for (mostly) piano,
isolated notes across the whole range of the instrument, very
delicate. I'm least familiar with Earle Brown's methods, but this
also sounds episodic, pointillistic (not as much as the Feldman, which
really concentrates on individual notes), featuring violin, piano, and
clarinet. I'm very impressed with this CD, one of the best
compositional efforts I've heard from Frith.
And, as an extra bonus, as I'm writing this my colleague has brought
in volume 3 of Ground Zero's Project Consume, the remixes from the
general public. There are fourteen tracks (so mostly short) from
complete unknowns, most of whom are from Japan, but a couple of US and
Australia, one Germany, one China. This is my first listening, but
even after volume 2 I felt that the effect of remixing only diluted
the power of the original. Some of these remixes have recognizable
sounds from the original, but most of them have chosen the noisy bits
as source material. Interesting listening, but not really a Ground
Zero album. My colleague's initial reaction: There's a lot of people
who listen to Ground Zero for reasons other than why *I* listen to
Ground Zero.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions... funny thing about opinions, they can change.
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
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