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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #329
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, April 15 1998 Volume 02 : Number 329
In this issue:
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recent goodies!!
Re: Zorn Purchase
Re: Tom Cora R.I.P.
Re: Minneapolis stores
Re: Circle Maker errors
Deconstructing Beck
Re: Mezz, a great jewish musician...
zornlist: new address?
Re: recent goodies!
Miles CDs for sale
Re: where to get ground zero / standards
Re: Zorn Purchase
Re: Deconstructing Beck
Re: where to get ground zero / standards
Re: Deconstructing Beck
Re: Zorn Purchase
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 98 11:05:27 -0300
From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar
Subject: recent goodies!!
For me, "My man in Sydney" by Bobby Previte's Latin For Travelers has
been a superb purchase; even though this isn't my first Previte, I'm
pretty pleased with the powerful funky stuff included on this recent
outing.
Despite the "kicking-assy" performance of Previte, you have Jerome
Harris (electric guitar/electric bass); Marc Ducret (electric guitar)
and Jamie Saft on Hammond organ, Fender Rhodes piano ans mini moog.
Billy Tipton Memorial Saxophone Quartet "Box" is unbelievable good; five
girls who play covers and original combinations alike, but with
something as elusive yet durable as breath.
Really nasty funk and a wailing klezmer combo that also bears the stamp
of various European and African folk dances and American derivatives and
hybrids.
For those who don't know the line-up:
Amy Denio, alto sax; Jessica Luri, alto sax; Maya Johnson, tenor sax;
Barbara Marino, baritone sax and Pam Barger on drums.
I also got Spanish Fly "Fly by Night" recently as well. I'd say that
Spanish Fly grooves great with an unusual instrumental configuration:
Steven Bernstein on trumpet; Marcus Rojas blows tuba bass lines and Dave
Tronzo supplies both slippery and powerful solid footing on slide
guitar.
Wow, wow, wow!!!, Ben Perowsky (!!!Maestro!!!) guests on a few tracks.
A great deal of fun.
And finally...Misha Mengelberg Trio "Who's Bridge" (Menguelberg, piano;
Brad Jones, bass and Joey Baron (another Master) drums).
I do ask myself if people on this list have already enjoyed such a piano
trio like this (except for Patrice Proussel, of course).
If Jones, Baron and Mengelberg don't get you tapping your toes, you
better see an ear especialist!
That's all for now.
- -Hugo
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:05:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn Purchase
On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Felix wrote:
> Well, I'm about to make my Zorn purchase of the month, and woud like to hear
> your opinion on these Zron records that interest me the most:
The answer would depend stongly on what you'd liked so far -- there's no
way to tell, for example, whether someone who liked Bar Kochba would like
the Complete Guide to Strategy or Leng T'che, for example.
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:30:30 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Geert Buelens <buelens@uia.ua.ac.be>
Subject: Re: Tom Cora R.I.P.
I interviewed Tom Cora two years ago in Gent; indeed, a really nice guy
and a great musician. It's a sad sad planet.
geert
> On Fri, 10 Apr 1998, Christopher Hamilton wrote:
>
> > Agreed on all counts. I met him once, and he was a hell of a nice guy,
> > even after a long drive in a blizzard.
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:38:14 +0000
From: "Charles Gillett" <gill0042@tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: Minneapolis stores
On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:15:11 -0500 magnum-jihad@juno.com wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:16:02 -0700 Zorn <gking@win.bright.net> writes:
> >since people are asking about stores....how about Minneapolis?
> >i usually go to Let it Be
> >are there better or cheaper stores? (mainly for avant/experimental)
> >
> between Oarfolkjokepus, Roadrunner, The Electric Fetus, KnowName and
> The Cheapo-Applause combo in St Paul, I can find more weird stuff than I
> can possibly afford and/or listen to.
Pricewise all of these stores are about the same (well, I don't
know about Know Name, which seems to be just an excuse to sell bongs).
The Electric Fetus is the most likely to have Zorn CDs at sale prices.
Roadrunner is the only store in town that I've found which carries
hatART CDs. Let It Be had a copy of Shea's "Mort aux Vaches" last
time I checked. Let It Be also has a guy named Rob who is really into
the "weird" stuff, and a guy named John who is very conversant on the
subject of free jazz and obscure psychedelic music.
Cheapo/Applause in St. Paul and Cheapo Uptown in Minneapolis have
decent jazz/etc. selections, but they're pretty spotty. The "new
release" wall in the uptown store hasn't been updated in months, and
the racks are kind of a mess.
I'm not sure what I think of Oar Folkjokeopus right now. On the
one hand, it has one of the best Experimental music sections in town.
On the other hand, their pop/rock section includes some questionable
items, namely Nirvana and Beck bootlegs. I don't know why the owner
would want to risk alienating customers in such a fashion. I suppose
I should butt heads with him next time I go there.
I'm sure the 99.9% of you folks who aren't in Minnesota are deeply
fascinated by all this.
- -- Charles
- -
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:38:14 +0000
From: "Charles Gillett" <gill0042@tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: Circle Maker errors
On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 03:58:17 +0000 Dwight Haden wrote:
> My copy of Circle Maker (which I bought 2 weeks ago from DMG) lists the
> corrected song titles for 12 and 13. Track 12 is shown as Elilah.
[...]
> If I remember correctly, Bar Kokhba was also yanked from production soon
> after release, but in this case to replace a track or two with an alternate
> recording. Has anyone ever confirmed this? Are there 2 slightly different
> versions of Bar Kokhba out there?
Hmm, I bought my Circle Maker four days ago and it has the incorrect
song titles. What a deal. Regarding Bar Kokhba, Erik Friedlander
posted this to rec.music.bluenote ages ago:
> Subject: Bar Kokhba first pressing unique
> From: erikf@nyc.pipeline.com (Erik Friedlander)
> Date: 1996/09/12
> I have heard that Zorn is changing the Bar Kokhba collection for the
> next and all following pressings.....I believe the changes will affect
> only one tune in the collection and involve some kind of orchestration
> change......
So I believe there was a change but I don't know what it was. I
should encourage my friends to buy copies of it so I can compare mine
to theirs.
I wonder if Zorn has corrected or will correct the misspelling of
John Medeski's name on "Duras:Duchamp." Not to mention "paroxysm."
The website has "Medeski" spelled correctly, but still spells
"paroxysm" without the s.
- -- Charles
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Date: 15 Apr 98 11:16:27 EDT
From: Robert.C.Auten@Dartmouth.EDU (Robert C. Auten)
Subject: Deconstructing Beck
Ok, I think this got a bit of discussion a few days ago, but I just got my
hands (via a prof, of all people) on a copy of the Illegal Art production
"Deconstrucing Beck" and it refuses to leave me alone. Maybe not all the edits
are Oswald quality, but this album, (made up from the sampled samples of
various commercial Beck releases) is pretty damn cool and very
Plunderphonic-esque. Anybody else hear this?
More info and copies (only 5 bucks inc. shipping) available @
http://www.detritus.net/illegalart/beck
Let me (and anybody else) know what you think. I belive Illegal Art has an
album coming out soon of sampled soundtracks. Should be neato. And no, I had
nothing to do w/ the production of any of these... some of you may know what I
mean. anyway, scope it out.
r
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:22:17 PDT
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Mezz, a great jewish musician...
>FUCK YOU MAN My heritage is hundreds of proud years of Irish Catholic,
>plus a little Indigenous Australian, you stupid Fucker - And in all
>instances the subject of generatioons of opression by WASP fuckwits
like
>youself. You have no more idea about this than you do about the actual
>subject in point
>
>which is:.....
It sucks that this bullshit had to be brought to the table. This list a
feast of ideas, at its best. Even when it consists of perhaps a deluge
of top-20s, it's fun, and I'm willing to suspend suspicion and just
enjoy people enjoying music. I write way too much and say nothing
sometimes, and people will respond patiently, even enthusiastically,
take my peanut-shell ideas to the ext level, reprove me
good-naturedly....but a flame war? Brought out here in the open so we
can see its oozing pus and tasteless obscenity? Nothing stylish,
nothing clever---nothing fun or funny or fresh. This isn't invective.
>ITS IN TTHE FUCKING BOOK, AND ITS WRIT COUNTRY SIMPLE so that even a
>redneck simp like you can work it out. And he reiterates his
>identification with Afro-American culture throughout most of the book -
>especially in the later chapters.
>
>Sorry if I got a little heated here: but I in no way aver from the
>validity of my initial statement - which wasn't in any way provocative,
>and was perfectly congruous with Mezzrow's autobiography.
Next time think before you write. I was really interested in the
Mezzrow thread and in your ideas TOO, until they degenerated into
impotent name-calling. I wasted time opening the above messages hoping
to see Mezz, this guy I want to meet, from still another angle, and all
I get is CRAP. So you're opinionated. SFW.
>FUCK YOU MAN My heritage is hundreds of proud years of Irish Catholic,
>plus a little Indigenous Australian, you stupid Fucker -
I checked out the Muslimgauze ideological site last night. You might
like it.
Thanks to everyone who's kept this list confrontational AND constructive
AND controversial AND interesting. At least MOST posts that make it
here are worth opening.
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:23:38 PDT
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: zornlist: new address?
I seem to have lost the new zorn-list address through xmission that M.
Rizzi posted? Could someone post it again please, or send it to me?
- --scott
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:27:42 -0800
From: George Grella <george_grella@pop3.decisionanalytics.com>
Subject: Re: recent goodies!
Dan Hewins writes:
> Even though I think it can get cheesy I find myself going back to Marc
> Johnson's latest with Frisell/Metheny/Baron, "The Sound of Summer Running."
> I can't relly put my finger on why I like it but I bet it's Frisell and
> Baron.
>
I can dig this, I listened to the CD in the record store and thought it
was very solid, contemporary playing. The sound of the two guitars
together is especially pleasing.
Is anyone out here a devotee of Mosaic records? I just got a new set
from them Monday, The Complete Atlantic Recordings of Lennie Tristano,
Lee Konitz and Warne Marsh. As usual with Mosaic, it's wonderful,
undervalued music and enlightening documentation.
gg
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:43:40 -0500
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Miles CDs for sale
Sorry to get in the way to sell CDs but I got the Miles Quintet box set and
I need to get rid of a couple of discs.
I have:
Miles Smiles
Sorcerer
I'll sell them for $8 each, shipping included. email me privetely if
interested.
Thanks,
Dan
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:01:56 -0400
From: "Jason J. Tar" <tarjason@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Re: where to get ground zero / standards
> Such as: 1.Cassiber/Live in Tokyo (Off Note/ReR)
> -a double CD set, first CD is a '92 live recording of Cassiber.
>On the second CD, Ground
> Ground Zero remixed the live recording of Cassiber. Released in
>late December in Japan.
> Currently available through ReR, too.
Is this indeed available from ReR already? I was told that it wouldn't be
available from them until later this year, and the Off Note version isn't
being stocked anywhere in the US that I can find....
> 2.Otomo Yoshihide/Memory Defacement (Japan Overseas/FMN Sound
>Factory)
> -a wonderful double LP set. A project of very special concept.
>Limited to 500 sets only. You
> can order it from Japan Overseas. Each $30, with $10 as
>postage.
BentCrayon has this in stock (mine should hopefully show up soon!). It's
$34.99 plus shipping (about $3). Crazy price for a double LP. Hopefully
it'll prove worth it.
- ---
Peace Hugs and Unity,
Jason J. Tar
Vampire Rodent Productions
http://pilot.msu.edu/user/tarjason/VRodents.htm
Featuring: Vampire Rodents, Ether Bunny, and Dilate.
- -
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:19:24 EDT
From: Dgasque <Dgasque@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn Purchase
In a message dated 98-04-15 06:19:32 EDT, you write:
<< Well, I'm about to make my Zorn purchase of the month, and woud like to
hear
your opinion on these Zron records that interest me the most:
(clip)
"Filmworks" - I actually haven't heard anything from Filworks series. What's
the best one? >>
I'd say start with the CDs in this series. _FW2_ seems to get the votes as
best...i'd say start with __FW1_ and go forward (although buying one a month,
you're never going to catch up anytime soon...;-) )
- -
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:37:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bob Boster <boster@mills.edu>
Subject: Re: Deconstructing Beck
On 15 Apr 1998, Robert C. Auten wrote:
> Ok, I think this got a bit of discussion a few days ago, but I just got my
> hands (via a prof, of all people) on a copy of the Illegal Art production
> "Deconstrucing Beck" and it refuses to leave me alone. Maybe not all the edits
> are Oswald quality, but this album, (made up from the sampled samples of
> various commercial Beck releases) is pretty damn cool and very
> Plunderphonic-esque.
Thanks for the kind words. I'm likely the only member of the DeconBeck
artists that reads the zorn list, and I've been wondering if there would
be any cross-interest, and I appreciate the plug. The heat from Beck's
label is rising, so if you are interested I would try to get a
copy soon. I recommend the rest of the detritus.net site as well.
Mr. Meridies
trks 1, 7, and 11
(last of which is realized completely live on CD players and processing)
more often, Bob Boster
- -
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 03:12:26 +0800
From: Jan-Wen Lu <janwenlu@top2.ficnet.net.tw>
Subject: Re: where to get ground zero / standards
Jason J. Tar ?g?D?G
> > Such as: 1.Cassiber/Live in Tokyo (Off Note/ReR)
> > -a double CD set, first CD is a '92 live recording of
> Cassiber.
> >On the second CD, Ground
> > Ground Zero remixed the live recording of Cassiber. Released
> in
> >late December in Japan.
> > Currently available through ReR, too.
>
> Is this indeed available from ReR already? I was told that it
> wouldn't be
> available from them until later this year, and the Off Note version
> isn't
> being stocked anywhere in the US that I can find....
I have the February 1998 ReR update and it was listed. So I think it's
available throught them.Got my own copy from Sachiko Matsubara in
January.
> > 2.Otomo Yoshihide/Memory Defacement (Japan Overseas/FMN Sound
> >Factory)
> > -a wonderful double LP set. A project of very special
> concept.
> >Limited to 500 sets only. You
> > can order it from Japan Overseas. Each $30, with $10 as
> >postage.
>
> BentCrayon has this in stock (mine should hopefully show up soon!).
> It's
> $34.99 plus shipping (about $3). Crazy price for a double LP.
> Hopefully
> it'll prove worth it.
For a Japanese pressing, I think the price is not that crazy. The
packing is also quite unique!! The first LP contains sound sources for
this project. The second LP(only one-sided) is a live recordingby Otomo
and Sachiko M. Otomo also describes this project in detail. In my point
of view, most Otomo fans will love it very much.
Jan-Wen Lu
- -
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:22:15 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Deconstructing Beck
On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Bob Boster wrote:
>
>
>
> On 15 Apr 1998, Robert C. Auten wrote:
>
> > Ok, I think this got a bit of discussion a few days ago, but I just got my
> > hands (via a prof, of all people) on a copy of the Illegal Art production
> > "Deconstrucing Beck" and it refuses to leave me alone. Maybe not all the edits
> > are Oswald quality, but this album, (made up from the sampled samples of
> > various commercial Beck releases) is pretty damn cool and very
> > Plunderphonic-esque.
>
> Thanks for the kind words. I'm likely the only member of the DeconBeck
> artists that reads the zorn list, and I've been wondering if there would
> be any cross-interest, and I appreciate the plug. The heat from Beck's
^^^^^^^^^^^
That's a wonderful news :-). Let's face it, if they were not giving you
a hard time, who would really care about your project?
Patrice (who has patience with people who play with fire and act
as victims when they get burned).
> label is rising, so if you are interested I would try to get a
> copy soon. I recommend the rest of the detritus.net site as well.
>
>
>
> Mr. Meridies
> trks 1, 7, and 11
> (last of which is realized completely live on CD players and processing)
>
> more often, Bob Boster
>
>
> -
>
- -
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:38:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: Zorn Purchase
> "Filmworks" - I actually haven't heard anything from Filworks series. What's
> the best one?
I have FW 1, 2, 5, 6. I like FW 1 alot - it has some fine moments on it.
The others are alright, but i hardly listen to any of them, and wouldn't
really miss them if i traded them for other, cooler things...
> "Nani Nani" - with Yamantake Eye. I have Mystic Fugu Orchestra, does it have
> anything to do with that?
Ack! This CD looked so cool, and it is sort of fun i suppose, but the
joke here wears terribly terribly thin. If you want it, buy it from me,
please!
> "Krystalnacht" - Is it jew oriented also (in music I mean, because in
> concept it certainly is)?
It has some very jewish-flavours on quite a few tracks, and it also has
the infamous 'second track' which is one of the most uncomfortable
listening experiences i've ever had. highly recommended. Yum.
> "Cobra" - game pieces?
Fun, but very mood-specific. I don't listen to mine very much, but it is
definitely interesting.
> Also, if you know something much better, please recommend it with a general
> description (other than Masada (including Bar Kohkba), Painkiller, Naked
> City, Elegy, Spy vs. Spy, and Mystic Fugu Orchestra).
The Big Gundown is way-cool - featuring eight-billion guest artists
incuding Vernon Reid, Diamanda Galas, Bill Frisell (i think), and
others... It's de/re-constructed versions of Ennio Morricone's soundrack
music from various Westerns. Classically Zorny in approach, with jump
cuts and loony-tunes dynamics all over the place.
'Euclid's Nightmare' is a bunch of short improvs with Bobby Previtte, and
is very good, too.
- -jascha
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