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Zorn List Digest       Wednesday, April 15 1998       Volume 02 : Number 328



In this issue:
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       Minneapolis Stores
       Re: Mezz, a great jewish musician...
       recent purchases
       Marc Ribot
       Re: Marc Ribot
       Re: Marc Ribot
       where to get ground zero / standards
       Zorn Purchase
       Re: where to get ground zero / standards
       Re: Zorn Purchase
       Hamiet Bluiett & his Baritone Sax Quartet
       stockhausen, etc...
       RE: Circle Maker errors
       Re: recent goodies!
       Re: stockhausen, etc...
       Re: Hamiet Bluiett & his Baritone Sax Quartet

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:13:52 -0500
From: Craig Rath <[e-mail]>
Subject: Minneapolis Stores

>since people are asking about stores....how about Minneapolis?
>i usually go to Let it Be
>are there better or cheaper stores? (mainly for avant/experimental)
>


Let it be probably is the best one for unconventional/avant garde.
OarFolkJokeOpus (26th St. and Lyndale) is probably the second best.

If you're looking for Zorn related (Tzadik/Avant) or other Jazz, the
electric Fetus is great (4th Ave and Franklin).

Another good one, although without as good of an avant selection, is
Roadrunner (43rd st. and Nicollet).

Those are the ones I go to most often.



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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:54:50 +1000 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mezz, a great jewish musician...

On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Chris Barrett wrote:

> >Like: is that clear enough for you, dopey?
>
> I think this is a little uncalled for...
>
Its a little rude, to be sure - but given this turkey's ignorance of that
which he speaks, coupled with his straight-out ignorance: perfectly
justified...

On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, George Grella wrote:

> James Douglas Knox writes:
>
>
> > Have you actually read his book? If so, you'd "know" that his initial
> > attraction to jazz was that it was an expression of Afro-american
> > culture; and as such, a negation of the Amerikkka's dominant
> > WASP culture...
> >

> > Like: is that clear enough for you, dopey? Mezzrow may have devoted much
> > of his life to music, but this choice and the specific choice of the kind
> > of music he played was informed by a social context: the experience of a
> > white, jewish, middle-class male in a society that still had (and has?) a
> > large measure of tacit (and maybe more?) racism towards such a person...
> >
> > Do I need to make this any clearer for you?
> >
>
> Yeah, I have actually read this book, rhetoric-breath.  And I know it's
> a lot more fun than your hind-sightful, ideological attitude about it.
> I "know" that his attraction to jazz had a lot to do with the music
> itself, not some sort of guilty, social protest, like, might come from
> some self-lacerating WASP, like, say, yourself?

FUCK YOU MAN My heritage is hundreds of proud years of Irish Catholic,
plus a little Indigenous Australian, you stupid Fucker - And in all
instances the subject of generatioons of opression by WASP fuckwits like
youself. You have no more idea about this than you do about the actual
subject in point

which is:

In first chapter of his book, Mezzrow EXPLICITLY states that he felt
absolutely no affinity for his Jewish cultural heritage - that for him it
was tainted by the dominant WASP culture that he felt totally disaffected
from. And, OK: maybe I'm being naive - maybe this is his late '50s
ghostwriter putting a sentiment in his mouth thats not really there - but
ITS IN TTHE FUCKING BOOK, AND ITS WRIT COUNTRY SIMPLE so that even a
redneck simp like you can work it out. And he reiterates his
identification with Afro-American culture throughout most of the book -
especially in the later chapters.

Like: if anyone there doubts what I'm saying, I'll borrow the book again
and post the quotes... And there's plenty.

> And then Mezz was a jazz musician, which he spends a lot of time as in
> the book.  While it's clear to me that his race role, his "social
> context," is important to you, I just find pleasure in the actual music
> itself, which is my concern and, fortunately, to a great extent Mezz's
> as well.  He played jazz, not some WASP music yearning to be free.
>
And if you'd read the book, you'd know that although he loved music and
played and recorded plenty, most of his life was spent in a drug-fucked
daze, and he bemoans the lost opportunities and wasted years that have
characterised his life...Or at least, that's how he saw his own life (or
again: maybe I'm being naive, and attributing the words to him when
they're the invention of his ghostwriter)

Sorry if I got a little heated here: but I in no way aver from the
validity of my initial statement - which wasn't in any way provocative,
and was perfectly congruous with Mezzrow's autobiography.



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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:27:09 +1000
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: recent purchases

I just got a bundle of cds which included the following:

Filmworks 8 - not quite as spectacular as some said, but good nonetheless.
Circle Maker - as spectacular as some said.
Pachora - this is a great cd with a great feel. It's like all the
Masada-ish stuff, but with a more "world" feel. It's got a more original
flavour than FW8 anyway.
Colma by Buckethead - a bit of a disappointment. There's some very lame
writing here, but hey I guess we're supposed to like Buckethead for his
playing technique, not for his writing, eh? Don't get me wrong though,
there's a few good ones here.
Miss Ann by Pigpen - very good, a bit of a surprise since the only other cd
I have of theirs so far is Daylight which is a lot less "out there" than
this.


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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:07:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ash <[e-mail]>
Subject: Marc Ribot

I own two CDs by Marc Ribot, Shoe String Symphonettes and Dont Blame
Me; and I was wondering if anyone has any good suggestions of other
albums he is own that I should check out.





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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:14:55 +1000
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Marc Ribot

> I own two CDs by Marc Ribot, Shoe String Symphonettes and Dont Blame
> Me; and I was wondering if anyone has any good suggestions of other
> albums he is own that I should check out.

2 that come straight to mind because I just got them are Filmworks 8 and
The Circle Maker - Ribot's playing is a highlight on both of these. A
brilliant album which shows him in a different light is Eclecticism by
Kazutoki Umezu - it's got elements of jazz and funk plus everything from
surf to western (and obviously some eastern too).


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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:29:15
From: Jesse Simon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Marc Ribot

Ash wrote:
>I own two CDs by Marc Ribot, Shoe String Symphonettes and Dont Blame
>Me; and I was wondering if anyone has any good suggestions of other
>albums he is own that I should check out.

All of them, of course. But most especially:

Rootless Cosmopolitans is part of the Island Records cutout series. Records
that no one bought in the mid to late eighties and found themselves in
every bargain bin of every Tower Records from here to wherever you are.
It's a great album featuring many great musicians and such. It's definitely
in a "fake jazz" vein, although with a definite edge to that stops it from
ever becoming trivial.

Shrek is harder to find, being on the Avant label but is worth the search.
In fact it is worth whatever price you might pay just for his hyperkinetic
take on Albert Ayler's BELLS. Ribot seems to have such a great
understanding of Ayler (as evidenced from Bells and his version of Ghosts).

cheers,
jesse


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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:58:12 +0200
From: Stefan Verstraeten <[e-mail]>
Subject: where to get ground zero / standards

Dear Zornheads,

I've read about the new cd by ground zero 'Standards'. But what's the
record label and where is it for sale ??? Does dowtown music gallery
have it ????

Please help me find out...

greetings
- --
Stefan Verstraeten

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:20:09 +0200
From: "Felix" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn Purchase

Well, I'm about to make my Zorn purchase of the month, and woud like to hear
your opinion on these Zron records that interest me the most:

"Classical Guide to Strategy" - I know it's lenghty, but how good is it, how
does it sound?

"Filmworks" - I actually haven't heard anything from Filworks series. What's
the best one?

"Nani Nani" - with Yamantake Eye. I have Mystic Fugu Orchestra, does it have
anything to do with that?

"Angelus Novus" - I've heard this is a Zorn masterpiece.

"Krystalnacht" - Is it jew oriented also (in music I mean, because in
concept it certainly is)?

and finally
"Cobra" - game pieces?

Also, if you know something much better, please recommend it with a general
description (other than Masada (including Bar Kohkba), Painkiller, Naked
City, Elegy, Spy vs. Spy, and Mystic Fugu Orchestra).

Thanks for yr patience.

Felix
[e-mail]

[e-mail]



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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:47:57 +0800
From: Jan-Wen Lu <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: where to get ground zero / standards

Stefan Verstraeten ?g?D?G

> Dear Zornheads,
>
> I've read about the new cd by ground zero 'Standards'. But what's the
> record label and where is it for sale ??? Does dowtown music gallery
> have it ????
>
> Please help me find out...
>
> greetings
> --
> Stefan Verstraeten

If you only want "Play Standards", you can get them from two online
mailorder distributions-
Forced Exposure  http://www.fe.org/
Bent Crayon         http://www.bentcrayon.com/


In fact, "Play Standards" is not a new one, there are plenty new titles
with Otomo Yoshihide. Such as: 1.Cassiber/Live in Tokyo (Off Note/ReR)
       -a double CD set, first CD is a '92 live recording of Cassiber.
On the second CD, Ground
         Ground Zero remixed the live recording of Cassiber. Released in
late December in Japan.
         Currently available through ReR, too.
     2.Otomo Yoshihide/Memory Defacement (Japan Overseas/FMN Sound
Factory)
        -a wonderful double LP set. A project of very special concept.
Limited to 500 sets only. You
         can order it from Japan Overseas. Each $30, with $10 as
postage.
     3.Ground Zero-Consummation(Creativeman Disc/SANK-OHSO Disc)
        -volume three of Ground Zero's project:consume. Fourteen remix
tracks from artists all over
         the world. Our friend Jim Knox also contributes one track. Very
interesting stuff!! Released
         on Apr. 1 in Japan. Haven't found any online mailorder
distributor with this one.
      4.Original Soundtrack-Kitchen(Toshiba-EMI)
         -another beautiful soundtrack by Otomo Yoshihide, along with
The Blue Kite, Summer
           Snow, Hu-Du-Men, and The Day the Sun Turned Cold. For the
Hong Kong movie Kitchen.
           Released in late Novemeber in Japan.
       5.Three Inch Compact Disc Featuring Exclusive Tracks by
Masonna/MC Hellshit & DJ
          Carhouse/Merzbow (Blast First)
          -a 3" CD with tracks by Masonna, Merzbow, and MC Hellshit & DJ
Carhouse. The track
           of MC Hellshit & DJ Carhouse(Yamataka Eye & Otomo Yoshihide)
is great but too short.
           Only 1'11".


For those who are very interested in Otomo's works. You can check
Yoshiyuki Suzuki's
"Japanese Free Improvisers" web. http://www2.gol.com/miyuki/
You can also find how to mailorder those Otomo related items from
Sachiko Matsubara(ex. Ground
Zero).



Jan-Wen Lu


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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:07:48 +0300 (WET)
From: Vadim Marmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn Purchase

i picked up "Angelus Novus" few days ago, and i`m really disappointed. i have
"The Big Gundown" and "Spillane" and i like them both, but "Angelus Novus"
just didn`t make me feel anything. i also ordered "Film Works 8", it is on
its way to me and now i just don`t know what to expect to. i saw that "Bar
Kohkba" and "Circle Maker" are  very popular on this list, can somebody
tell me how do they sound comparing to "Angelus Novus"?

On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Felix wrote:

> Well, I'm about to make my Zorn purchase of the month, and woud like to hear
> your opinion on these Zron records that interest me the most:
>
> "Classical Guide to Strategy" - I know it's lenghty, but how good is it, how
> does it sound?
>
> "Filmworks" - I actually haven't heard anything from Filworks series. What's
> the best one?
>
> "Nani Nani" - with Yamantake Eye. I have Mystic Fugu Orchestra, does it have
> anything to do with that?
>
> "Angelus Novus" - I've heard this is a Zorn masterpiece.
>
> "Krystalnacht" - Is it jew oriented also (in music I mean, because in
> concept it certainly is)?
>
> and finally
> "Cobra" - game pieces?
>
> Also, if you know something much better, please recommend it with a general
> description (other than Masada (including Bar Kohkba), Painkiller, Naked
> City, Elegy, Spy vs. Spy, and Mystic Fugu Orchestra).
>
> Thanks for yr patience.
>
> Felix
> [e-mail]
>
> [e-mail]
>
>
>
> -
>
>


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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:15:22 -0400
From: "Chris Barrett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hamiet Bluiett & his Baritone Sax Quartet

I managed to catch the second set last night of Hamiet Bluiett's Baritone
Sax Quartet (4 Bari's and a drummer), and it was a pretty cool show.
Possibly cooler was Hamiet's almost rambling banter in which it sounded
like he'd been lurking around the recent Wynton Marsalis thread.  He kept
going on about how it's time to take the music back, that all that other
crap's been played and it's time for new stuff, and it pisses him off to
see all the stuff stagnate.  He also commented on how the shows should be
fun, and that "I payed my $12-20 , so I am gonna hoot and holler and make a
fool of myself!"

The tunes went back and forth from crazy noise jams on the saxes to
blues/funk send ups in which they would eventually get into a fantastic
cacophanous frenzy and then bring it back down.  The band was a hell of a
lot of fun too, and they were clearly having a good time up there.

Has anyone seen this group or have any thoughts on them?  I know they have
a recent CD out on the Knitting Factory works.  The only guy besides Hamiet
that I know of who's in the band is James Carter.  I think it's kind of
interesting that he's in it, especially since he apparently took
Brandford's place in Wynton's band at the ripe old age of 17 (I think he's
27 now).  I've always loved his playing and his amazing control, especially
on tenor, but I always got a feeling that he was just about doin' the old
stuff straight.  It was good to see that he's exploring out a little bit.
Anyone have any thoughts on him?



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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:37:52 +0100
From: [e-mail]
Subject: stockhausen, etc...

I've been trying to license some music from Stockhausen for an early
electronic CD I'm putting together and a movie my company is working on and
let me tell you, those people at Stockhausen Verlag are difficult and the
own EVERYTHING.  They want too much money and won't let most stuff happen.
So, I wouldn't expect to see much more soon.

Also, I own a copy of "Queen of All Ears" on CD, put out by Warner Bros
Germany as a promo before it got dropped.  It is an amazing recording, so
it is great that it is finally coming out.  That must be a rare one.  I
showed it to several of the Lounge Lizards and they couldn't believe I had
it.

That one isn't for sale, but I will sell my Mia Zabelka "Possible Fruit" CD
on the Austrian Label Extraplatte.  Two Zorn appearances, misspelled as Jon
Zorn.  It's in a digipack.  Nice package, I've never seen another copy of
this one.  Also features David Moss and several other European musicians.
Please email me directly if you want to make an offer.

Ciao
Mark Perlson




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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:38:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Circle Maker errors

On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Dwight Haden wrote:

> If I remember correctly, Bar Kokhba was also yanked from production soon
> after release, but in this case to replace a track or two with an alternate
> recording.  Has anyone ever confirmed this?  Are there 2 slightly different
> versions of Bar Kokhba out there?

http://www.tzadik.com has a page labeled "Collector's Corner (Tzadik
Secrets) that I'm guessing will address this stuff soon.
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:42:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brent Burton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: recent goodies!

On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Ken Waxman wrote:

> If you liked Howard's quartet disk, try to get "Live At Judson Hall" also
> on ESP. It's with a quintet (sextet) including Sirone and Dave Burell.
> Much more textural music, because there are more players involved. Howard
> is also touring the US around right now and should have some new CDs out
> soon.

thanks for the recommendation.  i'll definitely pick it up *if* i see it.

> As for  "A Meeting In Chicago". I have the original issue on Eighth
> Day Music. Is there *anything* different about this one than the other.
> And why was a year-old CD reissued?

i think i read that the cover art is different, although i'm unfamiliar
with the 8th day version.  the okka cd is 70 minutes long so i don't know
if they added any material...

b

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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:58:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brent Burton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: stockhausen, etc...

On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 [e-mail] wrote:

> I've been trying to license some music from Stockhausen for an early
> electronic CD I'm putting together and a movie my company is working on and
> let me tell you, those people at Stockhausen Verlag are difficult and the
> own EVERYTHING.  They want too much money and won't let most stuff happen.
> So, I wouldn't expect to see much more soon.

you should check out the news section of stockhausen-verlag website,
where karlheinz's squeeze discusses plans to possibly *sue* a vocal group
that performed "stimmung" incorrectly!

b

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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:01:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Hamiet Bluiett & his Baritone Sax Quartet

Carter is the only one of the so-called "young lions" for whom I have any
hope. That's because even before his association with Our Mr. Marsalis he
was exploring other musics. He had an association with some of the hipper
people in Detroit like Marcus Belgrave, Wendell Harrison and Roy Brooks.

Then, besides playing with Marsalis and Bluiett, he also did work with
Lester Bowie, the antithesis to Marsalis. His original quarter featured
Jaribu Shahid (b) and Tanni Tabal (d), veteran "out" players who had
worked with Sun Ra, Roscoe Mitchell et. al. And Carter's most recent CD
has duets with Bowie and Bluiett as well as the playing of a Braxton
composition.

That said, I hope Carter can live up to his promise. I've heard that he's
recently changed his drummer and bass player. Most of the reviews I've
read have commented on his "showboating" and the media seems to have set
him up as the Rllong Stones to Joshua Redman's The Beatles, if you know
what I mean,

The very first time I saw Carter, in a club in Buffalo about three years
ago, he seemed excessively self-satisfied for someone so young and
untried. (Sorta like a pre-hits Bryan Adams I interviewed early in his
career many year ago), and it seemed as if all this praise can do nothing
but go to Carter's head.

Let's see what happens and hope,


Ken Waxman
[e-mail]


On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Chris Barrett wrote:


 The only guy besides Hamiet
> that I know of who's in the band is James Carter.  I think it's kind of
> interesting that he's in it, especially since he apparently took
> Brandford's place in Wynton's band at the ripe old age of 17 (I think he's
> 27 now).  I've always loved his playing and his amazing control, especially
> on tenor, but I always got a feeling that he was just about doin' the old
> stuff straight.  It was good to see that he's exploring out a little bit.
> Anyone have any thoughts on him?
>
>
>
> -
>
>

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