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Zorn List Digest Monday, April 6 1998 Volume 02 : Number 305
In this issue:
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cobra
top 20 (a late one)
Re: Don Cab
Re: Top 20
Disappointments and Controversy
Victoriaville festival
Oh, oh...another late top 20 entry
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #301
Re: Caroliner, Secret Chiefs to tour Aus...
Re: Freddie Katz soundtracks (was: Ken Nordine)
Re: Caveman music (was: TOP 20)
Re: Stravinsky/Shostakovitch do jazz??
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #301
Re: Stravinsky/Shostakovitch do jazz??
Re: Stravinsky/Shostakovitch do jazz??
Re: Caveman music (was: TOP 20)
Steve Reich
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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 19:08:23 -0400
From: Pierre Toussaint <m223024@er.uqam.ca>
Subject: cobra
I've just bought the Cobra cd (on Hat Now). It says on a sticker, and on
the back that it's the 4th edition. Does anyone know what it means? Are
they three (or more) other versions? Is it the 4th pressing? It's not an
existential question, but i'm curious! Thanks.
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:19:12 +0200
From: stamil@t-online.de (Chris Genzel)
Subject: top 20 (a late one)
Hi all!
You probably don't want to read this anymore, but I thought, since my list has
some CDs which weren't mentioned by others, I'll send it to you anyway.
I really couldn't live without these 20 CDs:
(Most decisions were made because of memories I connect with the music, but
nearly every CD of these touches me because of it's beauty as well)
In alphabetical order:
1. Peter Blegvad: The Naked Shakespeare
2. APC Tracks Vol. 1
3. Axiom Dub: Mysteries Of Creation
4. Cat People
5. Dire Straits: Making Movies
6. Divination: ambient dub volume I
7. The Golden Palominos: A Dead Horse
8. The Golden Palominos: Pure
9. Herbie Hancock: Dis Is Da Drum
10. Jon Hassell and bluescreen: Dressing For Pleasure
11. Bill Laswell: Silent Recoil - Dub System One
12. Material: Hallucination Engine
13. Material: Seven Souls
14. Marcus Miller: The Sun Don't Lie
15. Robert Musso: Active Resonance
16. Praxis: Transmutation (Mutatis Mutandis)
17. Praxis: Metatron
18. Julian Priester: Keep Swingin'
19. Ryuichi Sakamoto: Sweet Revenge
20. Tangerine Dream: Sorcerer
And since I can only take 20 on the desert island, I'd leave those back with
a bleeding heart (read: I couldn't live without those either):
1. Axiom Funk: Funkcronomicon
2. George Clinton & The P-Funk Allstars: T.A.P.O.A.F.O.M.
3. Conan The Barbarian
4. Miles Davis: In A Silent Way
5. Elixir: Hegalien Zone
6. Funkadelic: One Nation Under A Groove
7. Herbie Hancock: Head Hunters
8. Hardware
9. Jochen Hippel: Give It A Try
10. Massacre: Killing Time
11. Material: Temporary Music (1979-1981)
12. Material: Memory Serves
I've got the following ones on vinyl only, so I didn't include them:
Iron Maiden: Killers
CAN: Soon Over Babaluma
Julian Priester Pepo Mtoto: Love, Love
Well ... I was very disappointed by these CDs:
Anthony Braxton/Richard Teitelbaum: Open Aspects (Duo) 1982
- Not my first exposure to Braxton (I already knew him from Marion Brown's
"Afternoon of a Georgia Faun"), but probably my last one. I really find
this CD so thoroughly annoying I never listened to it all the way through.
It's so cold, so untouching, so uninteresting and so unnerving ...
Julian Priester/Sam Rivers: Hints Of Light and Shadow (1997)
- I was so excited to see Priester had done a new album after 20 years!
But, no, it's not like "Keep Swingin'", it's not like "Love, Love", but
it's something which leaves me thoroughly cold.
Herbie Hancock/Wayne Shorter: 1+1 (1997)
- Seems I should keep my hands away from duets. This is beautiful, of course,
but has also a quite annoying vibe, and since it's all ballads, I keep
pressing the stop button after max. 4 songs. The concert was so great, but
this is boring.
I really can't comment on my top 20 live concerts, since I've been only to
a handful, so it's probably better if I comment those I saw:
Herbie Hancock w/ Craig Handy, Dave Holland, Gene Jackson; Munich, Herkules-
saal 1996: ("The New Standard")
The first time I saw the great Herbie Hancock live, and it was so wonderful.
This inspired me to seek out more Dave Holland and Craig Handy, of whom I
only knew that he did the music for a season of the Cosby Show.
Ray Anderson's Pocket Brass Band w/ Marcus Rojas, Pheeroan AkLaff; Vilshofen,
1996:
I didn't know anyone of these three players, but I liked the show quite well.
Didn't check Anderson's albums out yet, but the concert surely was inspired,
with only trombone/voice, tuba and drums delivering great tunes ranging from
bebop to free improv.
Pharoah Sanders w/ Lonnie Plaxedo (sp?), Terri Lyne Carrington, Joanne
Brackeen (sp?); Vilshofen, 1996:
Sanders impressed me with the "Message from Home" CD, and I bought some of
his other albums as well, but this concert was really lame. Those four
couldn't play together at all; Joanna wanted to break the piano in pieces,
Carrington always raised her upper lip as if in ecstacy and Pharoah didn't
talk to us at all, took several wrong starts and was quite unimpressive.
Herbie Hancock/Wayne Shorter; Munich, Philharmonie, 1997; ("1+1")
Delightful. This was what the CD should have been - fascinating.
Lenny White w/ Bennie Maupin, Foley, Ralph Armstrong, Don Blackman, Mark
Ledford; Munich, Bayrischer Hof, 1997;
Great, great, great!! They all were in top form and were funky like hell.
Good to hear Maupin hasn't lost his power (his recent CD appearances have
been somewhat lame); he screamed all the way through. Foley turned a jazz
ballad into a hard rock song, and everybody really had a good time.
That's all for now; sorry for this verbose and probably way too late message.
Kind regards,
- Chris.
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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:20:38 -0500
From: Landon Thorpe <landocal@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Don Cab
>Any of this Storm and Stress material available on CD?
>
>=dgasque=
Yes. Self-titled on Touch and Go: tg173.
Landon Thorpe
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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:13:32 -0700
From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Top 20
Over 80 lists...about 320 to go?
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:34:00 -0300
From: Gabriel Lichtmann <licht@bancaria.com.ar>
Subject: Disappointments and Controversy
Well, I' ve been having great fun reading the discussions that have
arised from this "dissapointments" thing, and I think it's my turn to
participate. On the "Faith No More/KFADFFAL/AD/Jon Hudson" subject, I have
to say I was really surprised so many of you voted their last two albums
over the first two with Mike Patton. I think that was there most creative
period, the one where they tried everything they would later use on the
"AOTY" songs, and from which they tried to get away with the "straigt ahead
rock music sound" of "King...". Incidentally, this album was one of the
great disappointments in my music life; the day I first heard "Angel Dust"
I, literally, cried, I couldn't believe such beautiful music, and when I
heard the follow up I, literally, got furious. I think "Angel Dust" is a
masterpiece (one of the few in rock music), an album created out from
frustration, anger, and the internal struggles in a band which hasn't yet
decided what it wants to sound like (it's a shame that on the last two
albums they gave up their fights and opted for indifference for each
other). I think the band is at it's best on that album, and I have to
disagree with Julian, as much as I love Trey's work with Mr. Bungle, his
playing with FNM sounded dull and mechanical; at least Jon Hudson is now
the only member of the band, along with Billy Gould, who plays with his
heart into it. And Julian, it's not fair to disqualify someone just because
he "sucks".=20
Well, I think I wrote a bit too much, but I would like to give my
opinion on one last subject, =BFWhy is everyone putting down Bill Frisell's
solo records? Although I have to admit they seem a bit boring to me right
now, they don't seem to qualify as failures to me.
And last (but not least), I would like to add one dissapointment to the
list: Mouse On Mars "Autodidakter", which sounds to me like a sixty minutes
long KrautRock-Techno reinterpretation of Herbie Hancock's "Rock It".
Bye
P.D: =BFWhat are the opinions on Arto's and Tortoise's latest? I
personally love them both.
- -
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Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 22:36:53 -0500
From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com>
Subject: Victoriaville festival
Is anyone from the New York City area planning to go to the festival? I am
seriously considering this myself.
Jason
Perfect Sound Forever
online music magazine
perfect-sound@furious.com
http://www.furious.com/perfect
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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 19:57:21 PDT
From: "Silent Watcher" <silent_watcher@hotmail.com>
Subject: Oh, oh...another late top 20 entry
Sorry for the late submission, but I responded privately to the initial
request for a Desert Island discs top 20, and was too busy to struggle
to come up with another top 20 (it changes somewhat from day to day!)
1) Masada - Alef
2) Isaac Hayes - Greatest Hits Volume I
3) Alice Coltrane - Journey In Satchidananda
4) John Coltrane - A Love Supreme
5) Sonny Sharrock - Ask the Ages
6) Bob Marley - Legend
7) Frank Zappa - Freak Out
8) Material - Seven Souls (remastered)
9) Stravinsky - The Rite of Spring (conducted by Stravinsky)
10) Mad Professor - The Lost Scrolls of Moses
11) The Golden Palominos - This Is How It Feels
12) Bootsy Collins - Back In the Day : Best of
13) Laswell/Tetsu Inoue - Cymatic Scan
14) Lull - Cold Summer
15) Naked City - Radio
16) Stevie Wonder - Original Musiquarium
17) Slotek - 7
18) Beatles - The Beatles
19) Beatles - Revolver
20) Lee Perry - Upsetter In Dub
Ask me again tomorrow, and it'll change.
Live Shows :
Bootsy Collins - The Axis in Boston September 1994
P-Funk - Garden State Arts Center August 1996
Painkiller - The Middle East, Cambridge, Mass. May 1995
Masada - September 1997 (I expect the next round of shows at the end of
the month to live up to this one!)
Alice Cooper - Meadowlands 1990-ish (Never liked him, it was part of a
package tour in my "metal" youth...he put on an amazing stage show-it's
a shame most of his material is terrible)
Nuclear Assault/Savatage/Testament - 1989 (first show I ever saw - it
HAD to make the list, regardless of what I think of that music now!)
Tribe After Tribe - The Axis, 1993
Buckethead/Invisible Skratch Picklz - Wetlands, 1996
Zorn/Patton/Mori - Knitting Factory, August 1996 (kind of an off show
compared to what I hear about them now, but the first time I ever saw
Ikue Mori play....she's got skills!)
The Golden Palominos - TT the Bears, Cambridge, Mass....oh, wait, the
cancelled that tour a few days before the show...grrrrrr...
Praxis - The Anchorage in Brooklyn, June 1997 (I imagine they could do
better, but, come on, it was Laswell, Buckethead and Worrell on stage
together, it had it's moments)
Ok, then, I guess that's it. Sorry again for the lateness of this one.
SW
For Sale/Want List and Laswell Discography at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093
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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 23:34:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Peter Cline <pmc7288@is.nyu.edu>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #301
On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, Jon Mooneyham wrote:
> >In a message dated 98-04-04 09:40:12 EST, you write:
> >
> >Raindogs was his first outing in his so called "expiramental" period..
> >
> >Personally my
> >favorite Waits releases are his follow ups to Rain Dogs, SWORDFISHTROMBONE and
> >the beautiful soundtrack to his play FRANK'S WILD YEARS... just my .02
> >-cory sklar
> >
> Swordfishtrombones was the first in Waits' then-new more whacked approach,
> not Raindogs...
> Jon M.
>
My personal favorite Waits album is the soundtrack to the Black Rider, on
which he collaborates with Wiliam Burroughs and Robert Wilson. Greg Cohen
figures prominently on this album.
Speaking of Robert Wilson, I saw his production of Wagner's Lohengrin at
the Met Opera last week. It was thouroughly enjoyable, and like all
Wilson productions, at least all that I have seen, completely devoid of
movement, life, and physical interaction. Which is what makes his
productions so fascinating.
Peter
- -
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:58:36 +1000 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <s9606487@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Caroliner, Secret Chiefs to tour Aus...
On Fri, 3 Apr 1998 flamerik@best.ms.philips.com wrote:
>
> Okay, my top disappointments would include:
> - Every single album by anyone in Mr. Bungle except maybe Mike Patton (I must
> confess I haven't heard the new Secret Chiefs 3 album yet). How come these
> guys have made one of the most brilliant albums ever, and their other projects
> are all lame?
Have you heard any of the LPs by Caroliner? Some great things happening
there, with (I think) Trey Spruance or Trevor Dunn onboard. Someone here
will know. Some of the Amarillo 7-inchs are v funny in a special way,
also.
(This next part is mostly directed to the Aus-listers here: sorry) I guess
you know by now that the Secret Chiefs Trio will be making their world
premiere in Australia this May - if not, check the details at the Web of
Mimicry site. Starting 21st May at Geelong, ends June 9th at the Gold
Coast. Should be something!
- -
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:24:28 +1000 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <s9606487@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Freddie Katz soundtracks (was: Ken Nordine)
On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, Dgasque wrote:
> Look for his LPs/CDs with backup by the Fred Katz Group- by far better than
> his later output. Speaking of the Fred Katz Group, his ensemble is featured
> in the soundtrack of a 50's movie about a plant that ate people- later remade
> featuring Rick Moranis in the starring role. Never can remember the name of
> it though...
>
That's "Little Shop of Horrors". Fred Katz scored a couple of Roger
Corman's other movies from this period (no titles offhand, sorry): his
group - with Chico Hamilton - also worked under Elmer Bernstein for "The
Sweet Smell of Success" (not as great as the Man w the Golden Arm,
sadly...)
Tho' I have to say: i like all Nordine's stuff - his work backed by the
Northern Jazz Quartet, and the more recent work as well.
- -
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:26:55 +1000 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <s9606487@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Caveman music (was: TOP 20)
On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Patrick Stockton wrote:
> Caveman Shoestore - "Flux"
> Caveman Hughscore - self-titled (this is Caveman Shoestore with Hugh
> Hopper)
> Hughscore - "High Spot Paradox"
This doesn't mean a damn thing to me: please tell me more...
- -
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:33:48 +1000 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <s9606487@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Stravinsky/Shostakovitch do jazz??
On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Chris Bar{ett wrote:
> >I do
> >believe that Bix Beiderbeck was in the Whiteman band but he played soprano
> >sax, not cornet.
>
> I may be shaky on the Whiteman info, but as a trumpet player, I *know* that
> Bix was a coronet player, and hung with Hoagy Carmicheal.
>
I may be shaky on my Stravinsky/Shostakovitch/Whiteman info, but as a
cornet player, I *know* a coronet is a thing that goes on yr head
Err, I think... :-)
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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:18:22 -0700
From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #301
>Speaking of Robert Wilson, I saw his production of Wagner's Lohengrin at
>the Met Opera last week. It was thouroughly enjoyable, and like all
>Wilson productions, at least all that I have seen, completely devoid of
>movement, life, and physical interaction. Which is what makes his
>productions so fascinating.
>
>Peter
And beginning next week is the much awaited MONSTERS OF GRACE by
Wilson/Glass to annoint the earthquake repaired and refurbished Royce Hall
at UCLA. Polish up those 3D glasses and see the show. Will it live up to all
the hype? I'm betting my 70 bucks to find out.
Keith
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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:20:23 -0700
From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Stravinsky/Shostakovitch do jazz??
>I may be shaky on my Stravinsky/Shostakovitch/Whiteman info, but as a
>cornet player, I *know* a coronet is a thing that goes on yr head
>
>Err, I think... :-)
Yeah...it was Spike Jones that played the coronet.
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:41:07 +1000 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <s9606487@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Stravinsky/Shostakovitch do jazz??
Thanks so much for all the info!
On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Ken Waxman wrote:
> Paul Whiteman was a white (sic) bandleader of the 1920s most
> famous for his "symphonic jazz". His orchestra was the first to perform
(snip)
> Whiteman is usually seen as the villan in thge heavily romantic
> the Beiderbecke sage, but, in truth, but kept the alcoholic, sick cornestist on his payroll, whether he could
> play or notr almost until he (Bix) died.
Oh, this was the source of my confusion: I've just been reading Milton
"Mezz" Mezzrow's "Really The Blues" (a fantastic, idiomatic insider's
account of the early days of jazz - written in patois of the day), and he
talks about how great was the performance of Stravinsky's piece by
Herman's band.
He talks about some pretty crazy binges with Bix as well, so, yeah - what
Ken says is spot-on.
- -
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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 22:44:48 -0700
From: Rob DeNunzio <zorn@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Subject: Re: Caveman music (was: TOP 20)
At 01:26 PM 4/6/98 +1000, James Douglas Knox wrote:
>
>On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Patrick Stockton wrote:
>
>> Caveman Shoestore - "Flux"
>> Caveman Hughscore - self-titled (this is Caveman Shoestore with Hugh
>> Hopper)
>> Hughscore - "High Spot Paradox"
>
>This doesn't mean a damn thing to me: please tell me more...
>
The only thing I know about these releases is that they involve Wayne
Horvitz bass veteran Fred Chalenor (Zony Mash, Pigpen, etc.).
Rob DeNunzio
Hi-Fi Mundo
http://www.teleport.com/~hifim
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 02:58:50 -0500
From: Jack Schonewolf <jdschone@sas.upenn.edu>
Subject: Steve Reich
Dear Listservers,
First off, I want to thank everyone for the great discussion lately on the
listserve, as it helped me through a real bad week. Anyway, one name that I
saw come up on a few lists, I believe, was Steve Reich, who I am not
familiar with. What is his music like? Good albums to start with? What are
people's thoughts on his work? I would be very appreciative of whatever you
could tell me.
By the way, I highly recommend both of the Anthony Coleman Tzadik Radical
Jewish Culture Series records, Sephardic Tinge and Selfhaters. They are the
cat's meow. In fact, I have not had a bad purchase from that series. Well,
I guess that is all for now.
Jack Schonewolf
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