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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #300
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Zorn List Digest Friday, April 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 300
In this issue:
-
Yes <blush>
Re: Disappointments (with Redbird)
Re: Top 20 disappointments
20
Re: 6 disappointments 6
Re: Top 20 disappointments
20
Rzewski Birthday Concert
Bargain Bins; Other Lists (longish)
20 live shows
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:16:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Todd Bramy <tbramy@oz.net>
Subject: Yes <blush>
>...and <dont hate me> a toss up between Yes' Close to the Edge or REalyer
><blush>
>
>- -corn diggity dog
No need to blush, corn-
I recently had a chance to listen to the latest Yes "Keys to Ascension 2",
and was very surprised at how good it was. Nothing like the "Big Generator"
sound I was expecting. Anyhow, this put me on something of a Yes binge, at
which time I thankfully rediscovered "Relayer" as a long forgotten treasure
from my youth. Good call!
Todd
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Todd Bramy
tbramy@oz.net
http://www.oz.net/~tbramy
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"It is not a fragrant world."
Raymond Chandler
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 19:17:05 -0500
From: Uncle Meat <jf.lamarre@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Disappointments (with Redbird)
Artur Nowak wrote:
> >> Second is Redbird. I enjoy Dark River, but Redbird itself still
> just
> sounds
> [Artur Nowak] Is there anybody who likes this records? (I really would
> like
> to know).
>
Artur Nowak wrote:
> >> Second is Redbird. I enjoy Dark River, but Redbird itself still
> just
> sounds
> [Artur Nowak] Is there anybody who likes this records? (I really would
> like
> to know).
>
Well, i do. You see, i've always enjoyed the sound of a washing
machine running for a long period of time. So to me, this is just about
the same thing: a constant rythm that is almost hynotic (well, it does
that to me). Another song that i feel is hypnotic is Dio Fa by Zappa:
god do i love these
Tuvans!
Uncle Meat
>
>
> -
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:19:57 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: Top 20 disappointments
ZORN/EYE - 'nani nani' and 'zohar'...sad sad sad to think i could've
purchased something good instead of these...
SHAKTI - 'best of': after hearing their brilliant live album, this struck
me as such over-produced, easy-listening studio crap (except for the first
song, which was off the live album...)
-jascha
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:32:04 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: 20
off the top of my head -
1. Erik Satie - gnossienes, gymnopedies, etc...
2. Shivkumar Sharma & Zakir Hussain - Rag Madhuvanti, Rag Misra Tilang
3. Bach - sonatas and partitas for solo violin (Arthur Grumiaux)
4. Bach - The musical offering
5. Bach - Solo cello suites
5. Naked City - self titled
6. Masada - Alef
7. Peter Namlook - Air
8. Skinny Puppy - Bites and Remission
9. Skinny Puppy - Too Dark Park
10. Bartok - complete string quartets
11. Autechre - Tri Repetea
12. David Bowie - the rise and fall of ziggy stardust and the spiders from
mars
13. Ensemble Anonymous - Rue Des Jugleors
14. Laurie Anderson - United States Live
15. Astor Piazzola - Tango Sensations, or maybe Zero Hour
16. Clemencic Consort - Carmina Burana (uncut version)
17. Steve Reich - 'Music for large ensemble, Octet, Violin Phase'
18. The compilation of Greek Rebetika music from the 30's with the green
cover...
19. Dead Can Dance - self titled
20. Tom Waits - bone machine
- -
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:33:45 -0600
From: "PETSITTER" <PETSITTER@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 6 disappointments 6
- -----Original Message-----
From: Lucio <lukcyfer@interlink.com.ar>
To: zorn-list@xmission.com <zorn-list@xmission.com>
Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 4:25 PM
Subject: 6 disappointments 6
>Hi,
>
> I really wanted this albums to come out, but now I don't know what
>to do with them (please, don't give any suggestions)
>
>1- KING FOR A DAY- Faith No More
>Where were the keyboards in this album? Without Roddy FNM is NOT really
>FNM. It was just a good record from a good band (which didn't sound like
>FNM)
>
>2- FILMWORKS II- John Zorn
>Very boring compared to Filmworks I
>
>3- Z-ROCK HAWAII (Boredoms+Ween)
>Just Ween trademark songs with Eye shouting on them. They didn't create any
>new sounds together, it's just each band doing their part.
>
>4- THE MOLLUSK- Ween
>They were more creative on the old days (The Pod, Pure Guava) when all they
>had was a guitar and a drum machine.
>
>5- AFTERTASTE- Helmet
>After Betty it seemed that Helmet was trying new things on their songs but
>Aftertaste was not a good comeback. It's better to buy "Meantime" instead.
>
>6- MODUS OPERNADI- Photek
>Monotonous drum n' bass (you listen to one track, you listened to all)
>
> I know many of you may think I'm crazy because of this list but if
>you have some good arguments you might convince me to give them another
>listen.
Oh, I agree with you. The only 2 albums I have on that list of yours
are King for a day.... and FWII and they both disapointed me. I don't
really regret buying them, but my expectations were different for both. In
my opinion King for a Day is the worst Mike Patton Faith no MOre CD. I find
FW2 interesting once in a while, but for some reason I can't listen to it
straight through. I think it is boring compared to any of the Film Works.
It's nice to have in the collection thoughf
>
>
>
>
>-
>
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:28:50 -0800
From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Top 20 disappointments
everything Frisell has recorded under his own name
the last godflesh remix (the remix of songs of love and hate)
every new recording by Zappa after Zoot Allures
when Beefheart quit recording to paint
Don Cherry's death
Miles Davis' comeback recordings
everything Steve Reich has done since Drumming & 18 Musicians
everything Philip Glass has done since EINSTEIN
Jan Garbarek live
the Playboy Jazz festival
David Murray last time at Catalinas doing the bossa nova in a suit
all the electro-acoustic music THE WIRE raves over
the second ARCANA cd
Buckethead live in Goleta
King Crimson breaking up 2 weeks before I had tickets to see them in Chicago
in 1974 or 5 or whenever
King Crimson breaking up 2 weeks before I had tickets to see them in Chicago
in 1974 or 5 or whenever
King Crimson breaking up 2 weeks before I had tickets to see them in Chicago
in 1974 or 5 or whenever
King Crimson breaking up 2 weeks before I had tickets to see them in Chicago
in 1974 or 5 or whenever
King Crimson breaking up 2 weeks before I had tickets to see them in Chicago
in 1974 or 5 or whenever
King Crimson breaking up 2 weeks before I had tickets to see them in Chicago
in 1974 or 5 or whenever
- -
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 20:08:09 -0500
From: Uncle Meat <jf.lamarre@sympatico.ca>
Subject: 20
For the last couple of days, i took the time to look at all your lists.
Then 2 things came up to me:
1) I started to wonder how many people could be on this list? A hundred?
2) I said to myself that i would finally take the time to share my own
little list, because i realized that some of my favorite albums never
made the list. So here it is:
- -Alice Cooper Pretties for you
- -Alice Cooper Easy Action
- -Dead Kennedys Fresh fruit for rotten vegetable
- -Dead brain cells Universe
- -Frank Zappa Weasel's ripped my flesh
- -Frank Zappa Joe's garage
- -Mr. Bungle Disco Volante
- -The Zombies The Collection
- -Masada Alef
- -Frank Zappa Lumpy gravy
- -Frank Zappa Waka/Jawaka
- -Harmonium L'heptade
- -Butthole Surfers Locust abortian technician
- -John Zorn Spillane
- -Iron Maiden Live after death
- -Getz/Gilberto s/t
- -Black Sabbath Sabotage
- -XTC Waxworks/beeswax
- -Nomeansno 0+2=1
After completing this list, i'm in shock! Where are all my Cage,
Stravinsky, Ives, Jean Derome, Varese, Coltrane, Coleman (...) records!
I found two possible answers:
- most of the albums on my list stood the test of time: i've
listened to most of them for years. So maybe those records that i love
so much but didn't make the list need some time to grow on me.
- or maybe, just maybe, i'm swimming against the current of
mainstream music just to be unique among the people i meet. But then
again, i really do like all these great composers/musicians that didin't
make the list.
This important question must be asked: why does our avant-garde
records (Zorn for one) don't make the list as often as we (or i)
previously thought?
Uncle Meat
- -
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 20:27:37 -0500
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@IDT.NET>
Subject: Rzewski Birthday Concert
In celebration of Rzewski's 60th birthday, the Kitchen (NYC) is hosting
three concerts devoted to his music April 16-18. Among the performers
will be Anthony de Mere, Aki Takahashi and our own Steven Drury.
Mr. Drury, would you be kind enough to let us in on the specific
programs for these three days?
NYC-area z-listers unfamiliar with Rzewski's work: get the hell over
there--he's one of the single most beautiful composers alive.
Brian Olewnick
- -
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 20:26:06 +0000
From: John McMahon <jmcmahon@wwdc.com>
Subject: Bargain Bins; Other Lists (longish)
Hi!
I have really been enjoying the Top 20 thread. I get the digest version,
and instead of one every couple of days, I've been getting half-a-dozen
a day.
What is fascinating (to me) is the way in which there is an overlap in
taste between/among those of us who are Zorn fans. Lots of Waits,
Beefheart, Ornette, Miles - things which would seem to have little in
common, but which appeal to lots of people who also like Zorn. Or is it
just that EVERBODY likes Miles, Ornette, Waits, Beefheart? I dunno.
Don't be embarassed... lists are what music freaks DO! Be honest, now:
how many of us went through the incoming lists and did a "Got it, got
it, need it, got it.." routine?
So here's another bandwidth-gobbling thread to ponder:
In every good record store there is a bin which is filled with the
incoming stuff that is too weird, unpopular, unclassifiable, for the
owners to expect to make much money on. Or else it contains those items
which for whatever reason the industry has decided to delete, and get
rid of at a bargain price. When I was growing up in Detroit, I'd cruise
from Montgomery Ward's to Federal's to Kresge's to every little record
shop in the area looking for those bins with the magic symbols
"LPs...$1.88 Each" atop them. To this day (some thirty plus years and a
change of country later), it is the bargain bin to which I head when I
enter any place that sells records/CDs.
I suspect that not all of you folks paid full price for everything in
your collections either. So, here's the question:
What are your current five (5) favourite Bargain Bin stories? That is,
what are the occasions when you had most clearly the "I can't believe
they're selling this at THIS price!" feeling? This feeling can be
typified by a tingling sensation at the back of the neck, and an
overwhelming sense of gratitude and wonder that such marvels are
avilable to, and affordable by, mere mortals.
Just so we don't crash all the servers from here to Poland, let's limit
it to five. Bonus marks for high wonderfulness-to-price ratio. Extra
bonus marks if you include a Zorn-related story (just so the list-owner
doesn't give up in despair). And no marks for Record Industry Freebies.
Here's mine, for starters:
Duke Ellington: "The Duke and his Men"
There was a little Hi-Fi and Appliance shop on Grand River that kept a
stack of these on hand to demonstrate record players with. I went in (I
was maybe 13) and asked the sales guy how much it was to buy the demo
disc; I already had a stereo. He asked if I had a quarter. Sold!
Sun Ra: "Heliocentric Worlds" (Vols 1+2) "Nothing Is"
Albert Ayler: "Bells", "Spiritual Unity", "New York Eye & Ear Control"
Patty Waters: "Sings"
For a brief time, Windsor, Ontario had a Sam the Record Man outlet on
its main street. In its bargain bin, I found a huge heap of ESP-Disc
releases still sealed for around two bucks each. I kept pulling them out
until I ran out of money. The ones I didn't get (Giuseppe Logan springs
to mind) still haunt me.
The Spontaneous Music Ensemble: "The Source: From and Toward"
Found unsealed in a K-Mart bargain bin for 25c!
Mohamed Abdel Wahab: "Al Karnak, Falestine, Dimashq"
Released by Soutelphan records of Cairo, I found this used, but in mint
condition, in Value Village (a thrift shop) in London, Ontario, for 99c.
John Zorn: "Spy vs Spy" + "The Big Gundown"
For around three bucks apiece in a Sam the Record Man bin at Devonshire
Mall in Windsor.
All of the above were on vinyl. I picked up dozens of things in the late
eighties, when the record companies started dumping vinyl to force us to
buy CDs: David Holland, Old & New Dreams, Walcott, Weber, etc. on ECM.
"Nixon in China" for $9.99... It goes on... Barre Philips, Music
Construction Company, David Darling.
Okay, I'm done. Hey, what are you listening to RIGHT NOW?
Cheers,
John McMahon,
no longer lurking.
Now Playing (CDs):
Om Kalsoum: "Hajartek" (when I started writing this)
Guy Klucevsek: "Stolen Memories" (while I wait for my son to get off the
phone so I can post this).
...later...
- -
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 18:35:25 -0500
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: 20 live shows
This is MUCH easier, and in no particular order(except for #1)
they are
1. Golden Palomino's 8/6/82 Public Theatre NYC.
My 1st exposure to Zorn, Arto, David Moss, and Jamaaladeen. Needless to
say they took my head off. People were laughing, crying tears of sheer
joy and dancing in the aisles. What a great noise they made. The
interplay between Laswell and Tacuma was un-fucking believable.
2. Decoding Society 4/30/85 Jonathan Swifts, Cambridge Mass
They started with the fastest, most frenetic version of Bebop ever
played, and it only got better from there. 2 1/2 hours and it rarely let
up.
3. King Crimson Nov 81 The Savoy NYC Fripp damn near falls off his stool
while soloing
4. Sonny Sharrock August 1985 The backing band wasn't very good, but
it was the night I first met Sonny, and despite everything he still
burned with that intensity he had. They were doing Coltrane covers and a
few originals. The show took place in a neighborhhod bar on the lower
east side that had 3 distinct personalities. It was a jazz club, a
low-level mob hangout, and the meeting place for a lesbian softball
team. Quite amusing when they overlapped.
5. Last Exit Jan 91 Johnny D's lounge. Somerville Mass
(What can I say, My biggest regret in life is that I didn't go on a
tour with Exit.
Mitch, Nicky, Steve Lake .... I will be eternally envious of you guys)
6. Al Dimeola/ UK(Bruford,Holdsworth,Wetton,Jobson) Summer 1976 Central
Park NYC (you couldn't pay me to listen to this stuff now, but hey, I
was 15 at the time, and it was the disco era)
7. Company December 1981 Roulette NYC
(Bailey,Zorn,Laswell,Frith,Brotzman,Joelle Leandre, Keshavan
Maslkak......) Brotzman and Maslak did a 25 minute duo of non-stop
Machine-Gun style shrieking that I've never seen matched. At one point
Maslak was writhing on his back, blowing like it was his last
breath....absolutly stunning. The normally sedate Roulette audience were
just as breathless and exhausted as the musicians!
8. Skeleton Crew/The Golden Polo Ponies(AKA Locus Solus) December 1982
NYC
The Original Crew(Frith, Cora and Dave Newhouse from The Muffins on sax
and Keyboards) Opening were Zorn, Arto and Anton. JZ was blowing so
hard that night, his glasses fell off, and into his bowl of water. After
the gig, walking down the street, I overheard someone say "That Zorn guy
nearly blew his face off! ;-)
9. Willem Breuker Kollektief Feb 84 The Village Gate NYC (If these guys
EVER come back to the states, Do NOT miss them. After seeing this, I
kind of felt like I knew what it was like to see the old Mothers of
Invention.
10. The Ordinaires 2/85 Sweet Basil NYC I went on a recommendation of
a friend and stayed for all 3 sets and then hung with the band, whom I
must have seen 20 times after that. 9 musicians who truly had fun
playing for people. The records dont do them justice.
11. Massacre 4th of July 1981 Inroads NYC Great Show, Great venue, my
1st Frith show
12. Captain Beefheart Fall 1980 or 81 The Paradise Boston. It was
around Halloween, my date cancelled so I went alone, In a Zippy the
pinhead mask. The Captain comes into the audience, shakes my hand,
smiles and says "Nice head". Later, I sit with "Mr Butch", a notorious
Boston Street musician, who a few months later, while being interviewed
on college radio, go's on a long rant about how he knows for sure that
there are aliens walking among us. His proof....He met one at a Captain
Beefheart concert. So I guess all those folks who think I'm from another
planet could be right.
13. Pink Floyd The Wall 1980 Nassau Coliseum NY Full size airplanes
crashing around me, giant inflatable neo-nazi pigs, with laser beam
eyes, a 75 foot high wall, and 250 micrograms of a certain illicit
substance, make for a memorable experience.
14. Vernon Reid's Living Colour Feb 85 7th Avenue South. NOT the same
band that made the CD's. this was a high energy rock fusion show with
Geri Allen guesting. They did an Ornette tune, and a bunch of stuff
thats never been released. At the time I remember thinking that it
sounded like what Hendrix might be doing if he were still here.
15. Ornette Coleman & Prime Time 6/30/85 The Old State House Lawn,
Hartford. They declared it Ornette Coleman Day and gave him the key to
the city!
16. Don Cherry/Billy Bang Quartet 1985 Tramps NYC with Dennis Charles
and Wilbur Morris
Beautiful, sparsely attended show with Don singing, playing
Piano,trumpet and that african guitar that I wont attempt to try to
spell.
17. Brand X 1979 Bottom Line NYC. Goodsall walks off the edge of the
stage and down a front table, stepping in French Fries and Tequila
Mockingbirds as he went, while playing a blistering solo. Later Phil
Collins starts an arguement about who in the band has the best drugs. (2
years later he was at the top of the pop charts, and doing "Just Say No"
ads for Nancy Reagan)
18. John Greaves/Peter Blegvad/Lisa Herman 1987 the Kitchen NYC Simply
fucking beautiful music performed with only acoutic Guitar ,Piano and
Voice. Lisa Herman has a voice that should have made her a star,
whatever happened to her?
19. Frank Zappa Xmas shows 1976 Palladium NYC Hard to pick a best Zappa
show, they were all amazing, but this stand with the Horns from the Sat
Night Live band, and guest Don Pardo were exceptional.
20. Painkiller Spring 1996 Knitting Factory NYC (when they went from
Free Improv into a bastardized version of Black Sabbaths Iron Man, I
almost peed my pants)
I also have to also mention the Tribute to Sonny Sharrock done by Vernon
Reid Dave Fuze, Cindy Blackman,Bernie Worrell, TM Stevens et al. in
Central Park 1994. The music was under rehearsed, but it was truly
heartwarming to see the support for Sonny.
And I could never forget Fred Frith and Tom Cora's Marching Band at the
CISPES-led protests in Washington DC during the war in El Salvador.
Sorry to be so long winded, but this was a hell of a lot more fun than
trying to whittle down a fave album list.
Rich
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