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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #299
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Zorn List Digest Friday, April 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 299
In this issue:
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Re: Stravinsky/Shostakovitch do jazz??
Re: Stravinsky/Shostakovitch do jazz??
RE: Jumping on the "20 CDs" bandwagon...
Re: Stravinsky/Shostakovitch do jazz??
Re: Stravinsky/Shostakovitch do jazz??
Re: Stravinsky/Shostakovitch do jazz??
Marty Ehrlich
Re: Stravinsky/Shostakovitch do jazz??
Re: Marty Ehrlich
Re: Ribot
Re: Marty Ehrlich
Winter & Winter
blah blah blah
Bomb ass live shows
Ribot
6 disappointments 6
List Tally
Re: Two Comments
Re:
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:45:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Stravinsky/Shostakovitch do jazz??
If Bix played soprano sax, then Joey Barron plays cello and Dave Douglas
plays English horn
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Dan Hewins wrote:
> Whiteman was the watered down version of big band. And, yeah, it was
> directed towards the wgite folks. I read a book called "The Story of Jazz"
> (which you all should read if you haven't already) that talked a bit about
> Whiteman. He was more of a pop guy, well known because he was popular.
> His contributions to jazz and the development of jazz were little to none.
> I guess his arrangments were conservative and possibly boring to people who
> enjoyed Ellington and Fletcher Henderson and others around that time. I do
> believe that Bix Beiderbeck was in the Whiteman band but he played soprano
> sax, not cornet.
>
> On the subject of older (1940s) big band... I'm listening to a Dizzy
> Gillespie disc called The Complete RCA Victor Recordings and it's great.
> The Penguin Guide gave it a very rare 5 stars and it deserves it. Maybe I
> should start making my top 20 list... On second thought, maybe not.
>
> Dan
>
>
> At 12:29 PM -0600 4/3/98, Chris Barret{ wrote:
> >> (the liner notes mention an american bandleader
> >>called paul whiteman, but i haven't heard him...anyone?)
> >
> >If I remember my early Jazz history correctly, Paul Whiteman's band in the
> >twenties and thirties played "safe" big band/orchestra jazz that wasn't as
> >ruanchy as the Jelly Roll Mortons and King Oliver/Louis Armstrongs for the
> >white, more affluent crowds. I think he was based in New York. I can't
> >remember if early coronet gret Bix Beiderbeck actually played with him or
> >not. Can anyone else fill in what I've left out, or correct in
> >inaccuracies I may have mentioned?
> >
> >-Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >-
>
>
>
>
> -
>
>
- -
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 11:53:33 -0800
From: George Grella <george_grella@pop3.decisionanalytics.com>
Subject: Re: Stravinsky/Shostakovitch do jazz??
Keldon Drudge writes:
> (the liner notes mention an american bandleader
> called paul whiteman, but i haven't heard him...anyone?)
>
Paul Whiteman had a famous jazz style pop big band in the 1920s-30s,
which at one time featured Bix Beiderbecke. He also commissioned and
premiered a pleasant tune by the name of "Rhapsody in Blue," by a
talented songwriter of the day, George Gershwin. Some of you may be
familiar with it . . . ? :-)
gg
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 98 14:52:00 PST
From: Matt Walsh <MATTW@smginc.com>
Subject: RE: Jumping on the "20 CDs" bandwagon...
<<Please, let us dispel the myth that this is a Jazz list.>>
Mike,
What I meant was that the list is a list for Zorn & Zorn-related
artists, which essentially fall under the Jazz genre (thought obviously
not limited to), in the same that another artist list I am subscibed to,
My Dying Bride, while being a list specifically for that band, is
essentially a doom metal list since My Dying Bride is a doom metal band
(albeit a rather different one).
Sorry for the confusion,
Matthew Walsh
Software Engineer
- Strategic Management Group
mattw@smginc.com
mattmonkw@aol.com
Matt's personal CD jukebox -
Currently playing and annoying co-workers with:
Theatre Of Tragedy - "Velvet Darkness They Fear"
- -
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 11:56:26 -0800
From: George Grella <george_grella@pop3.decisionanalytics.com>
Subject: Re: Stravinsky/Shostakovitch do jazz??
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Dan Hewins writes:
> I do
> believe that Bix Beiderbeck was in the Whiteman band but he played soprano
> sax, not cornet.
>
And when you get to Casablanca, try the waters!
Bix Beiderbeck was one of the great cornetists/trumpeters in the history
of jazz. If he ever played soprano sax, Dan is the only guy who knows
about it!
gg
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:03:09 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: Stravinsky/Shostakovitch do jazz??
Who am I confusing him with then? There was some old-time guy who played
soprano sax, wasn't there? Hmmmm... Oh! I'm thinking of Sidney Bechet
(sp?). Nevermind.
Dan
At 1:45 PM -0600 4/3/98, Ken Waxman wrote:
>If Bix played soprano sax, then Joey Barron plays cello and Dave Douglas
>plays English horn
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:12:53 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: Stravinsky/Shostakovitch do jazz??
On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Ken Waxman wrote:
> P.S. IMHO it's time to call the list making to a halt. I have as many
> records as the next person, and as many favorites, but I think spreading
> useful information is a better "read" than who likes what
I think most of the regulars have chimed in. Perhaps whoever it is who is
keeping tally should declare an end-point (allowing a little more time for
those who haven't submitted their lists to do so) then let us know the
result? I'd actually be interested in a list of all those that were
listed, since even some of those that got a single vote reminded me to buy
them...
...and then DMG mail order should put all of them on sale :-)
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|||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \|||
||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
|/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \|
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:20:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Sherry <msherry@psych.umass.edu>
Subject: Marty Ehrlich
I've been listening to Marty Ehrlich's The Traveller's Tale(1990). It
covers alot of stylistic ground with a very sinuous melodic feel and
Bobby Previte's drumming often has a "rolling thunderish"quality, I find.
Ehrlich
played on The Big Gundown. Can anyone who has listened to his more
recent music critique it? Thanks in advance.
Mike
- -
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:28:48 -0500
From: "Chris Bar{ett" <cbarrett@neaq.org>
Subject: Re: Stravinsky/Shostakovitch do jazz??
>I do
>believe that Bix Beiderbeck was in the Whiteman band but he played soprano
>sax, not cornet.
I may be shaky on the Whiteman info, but as a trumpet player, I *know* that
Bix was a coronet player, and hung with Hoagy Carmicheal.
- -Chris
- -
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:31:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Keldon Drudge <kdrudge@julian.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: Marty Ehrlich
his `urlicht' on winter & winter (compositions by mahler, featuring dave
douglas, joey baron, uri caine, etc.) is great.
On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Michael Sherry wrote:
> I've been listening to Marty Ehrlich's The Traveller's Tale(1990). It
> covers alot of stylistic ground with a very sinuous melodic feel and
> Bobby Previte's drumming often has a "rolling thunderish"quality, I find.
> Ehrlich
> played on The Big Gundown. Can anyone who has listened to his more
> recent music critique it? Thanks in advance.
> Mike
>
> -
>
- -
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 12:38:29 -0800
From: Rob DeNunzio <zorn@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Subject: Re: Ribot
>
>3)I really like Mark Ribot's guitar playing on the Bar Kokhba and
>Circlemaker discs. I'm interested in his Ribot's "Shoe String Symphonies"
>and his other CD's but I would like to know if they're in the same vein
>as his work with Bar Kokhba?
>I'd appreciate any opinions on Ribot's recordings.
Ribot's solo recordings ("Shoe String Symphonettes", "Shrek", "Rootless
Cosmopolitans") are pretty varied, yet they all have that unmistakable
Ribot twang somewhere on them. "Shoe String" has a set of his music for
films, my favorite of which are the small ensemble works and the lone mambo
tune (which he plays trumpet on). "Rootless Cosmopolitans" is a total blend
of all his interests, from the Lounge Lizards style playing to the
"minimalist" style which pervades Shrek. Don Byron does some wonderful
playing on "Rootless", as well as Anthony Coleman. Shrek is filled with
mesmerizingly (I've also heard it called boring, but who's to say)
repetitive work which is most notably brought to life by Jim Pugliese. Of
all of them, I find "Shoe String" the most mature and varied of his works,
great to sink your teeth into. His performances on numerous Tom Waits,
Lounge Lizards, Elvis Costello, and of course, Zorn Filmworks albums are
all worthwhile, as he is probably one of the more unique modern guitarists.
His versions (2) of Burt Bacharach's "Don't Go Breaking My Heart" on the
Tzadik compilation never cease to amaze me.
>
>I'm a big fan of Zorn's Masada and Bar Kokhba projects. I also like his
>Filmworks series and the Naked City CD. Any information would be
>appreciated.
This is where it gets touchy (esp. in lieu of missing Zorn titles in
everyone's top 20 lists), because his work is so varied, it becomes a major
issue of personal taste. I'll step out with my opinion on his top 10 CDs:
(in no particular order)
The Big Gundown
Naked City
Naked City - Radio
Spillane / Two-Lane Highway
Filmworks 1986-90
Filmworks II
Filmworks VIII
Filmworks III
Masada Ensembles - Bar Kohkba
Duras / Duchamp
I don't feel knowledgeable enough about all of the Masada albums to pick
the best out, I'm sure someone else can help out there. Hope this helps,
Rob DeNunzio
Hi-Fi Mundo
http://www.teleport.com/~hifim
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 12:38:40 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Marty Ehrlich
On Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:31:26 -0500 (EST) Keldon Drudge wrote:
>
> his `urlicht' on winter & winter (compositions by mahler, featuring dave
^^^^^^^
This is a Uri Caine record.
Patrice.
> douglas, joey baron, uri caine, etc.) is great.
>
>
> On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Michael Sherry wrote:
>
> > I've been listening to Marty Ehrlich's The Traveller's Tale(1990). It
> > covers alot of stylistic ground with a very sinuous melodic feel and
> > Bobby Previte's drumming often has a "rolling thunderish"quality, I find.
> > Ehrlich
> > played on The Big Gundown. Can anyone who has listened to his more
> > recent music critique it? Thanks in advance.
> > Mike
> >
> > -
> >
>
>
> -
>
- -
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:57:15 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Winter & Winter
Does anyone know who carries Winter & Winter discs? (online or mail order)
I have been trying to find the Big Satan disc and I am interested to see
what else they have...
Dan
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:19:27 EST
From: FUNKADELlC <FUNKADELlC@aol.com>
Subject: blah blah blah
im not as musically educated as all you.. im still young <17> theres alot i
havent heard yet.... but i know i'd go crazy if i didnt have my Bitches Brew,
some Fishbone..i guess Give a Monkey a Brain... i cant decide which zorn id
want.. i need my Zappa Roxy and Elsewhere... Minutemen- Double Nickles on the
Dime, i dunno which P-Funk.. i love em all.. and throw in the first Wu-
Tang...and <dont hate me> a toss up between Yes' Close to the Edge or REalyer
<blush>
- -corn diggity dog
next time: top 10 live performances
- -
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:37:53 EST
From: FUNKADELlC <FUNKADELlC@aol.com>
Subject: Bomb ass live shows
these shows have influenced me greatly in life.....<in no paticular order>
1)most recently P-Funk at the Billboard.. i've seen em like 10 times but this
time it went off for 5 hours...they did everything..the horns at one point
busted into "I am the slime" then "freedom jazz dance".. hee hee
2)Psychic TV at SinAmatic... wow.. this was insane, Genesis P'
orridge was all fucked up on extacy..circa 96
3)MR Bungle at The Palace.. right when Disco Volante came out i beleive.. i
really didnt know the album yet.. and i didnt quite understand em.. they were
all in masks and the horn players looked like monks and Patton had like a
keybord/harness/thing.. it was really cool.. the sound was the best
4) FISHBONE!!!!!!! ive seen fishbone about 13 times and everytime its my
favorite.. Fishbone truely is my favorite live band... ever.. period
5) Yes <blush> in SLO i know, i know.. but it was like a dream come true
seeing Rick Wakeman and Steve Howe to me.. i thought id never see em on stage
playing those songs! I wasnt alive in the 70's! about 96
6) Bad Brains and the Beastie Boys at some college in Compton... I love the
Bad Brains and the Beasties put on the tightest show in da biz... serioulsy!
again 95-96
7) Buckethead at The Mint.... i never heard of him or seen him before this
night... he blew my ass away.. after you see Buckethead live all other Guitar
players seem useless....
8) King Crimson on their THRAK tour at the Ventura Theater was fucking
awesome... but i really hate seats... i hate seats at concerts!!! AHHH! but
fuck man.. Adreian Belew, Fripp, Bruford, Levin.. what can i say that you all
dont already know?
9) WU TANG CLAN at a little club called LA HACIENDA.. it was just supposed to
be a Ghostface Killa show but they all showed up, Meth, the Rza.. all of dem..
it went off.. around when the Ghostface album came out.
and finally....
10) fIREHOSE at the Anaconda when i was 13... this is my first concert.. i saw
Mike watt and he sweated on me... i loved them... it was cool
- -cory sklar
sorry.. i guess you all are saying "this kid needs some jazz" and i do.. i
know this..
- -
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 17:06:15 -0500
From: David Keffer <keffer@shell.planetc.com>
Subject: Ribot
> From: Patrick Ivan Jenkins <cz176@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
> 3)I really like Mark Ribot's guitar playing on the Bar Kokhba and
> Circlemaker discs. I'm interested in his Ribot's "Shoe String Symphonies"
> and his other CD's but I would like to know if they're in the same vein
> as his work with Bar Kokhba?
> I'd appreciate any opinions on Ribot's recordings.
I totally dug the Ribot/Cohen duet "Mahlah" (I think) on Bar Kokhba
and I dig Ribot's playing on the Ribot/Zorn duets on Filmworks III
and I dig Ribot's playing on Ikue Mori's "Painted Desert" cd.
Thinking I would check out some other Ribot, I picked up "Shoe String
Symphonies" (Tzadik). IMO, the compositions on "Shoe String Symphonies"
are lame, not exciting, not wonderful like "Mahlah" or FWIII, or "Painted
Desert". The tracks on SSS are somewhat original but still lame.
So then I thought that, perhaps, Ribot was a fantastic musician
but not a fantastic songwriter, (because only on SSS had he composed
the music) so I checked out "Don't Blame Me" (DIW),
guitar solos, most of which are composed by other people. I gave
the disc half a listen but very quickly decided that the Ribot I was
looking for was not on this disc either. This disc sounds more like
"tinkering" with a guitar than playing. Now, here on the list, god damn
us if we don't all love tinkering, but if you're looking for melodic
Ribot, neither "Shoe String Symphonies" nor "Don't Blame Me"
is going to make you happy.
Instead, try "Painted Desert" (Avant) very nice, and Filmworks III (Tzadik),
not all that melodic but fantastic guitar playing all the same.
Another thing to avoid, if you are looking for melodic Ribot, is
"The Book of Heads" (Tzadik). This would be exactly not what you are
looking for.
David K.
p.s. For those on the list who are wild about "The book of heads", no need
to reply and enumerate the virtues of that record. It has its virtues; I'm
just saying it is not melodic. I don't want to start a thread on the top 20
virtues of "The book of heads". Heaven forbid.
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:21:55 -0300
From: Lucio <lukcyfer@interlink.com.ar>
Subject: 6 disappointments 6
Hi,
I really wanted this albums to come out, but now I don't know what
to do with them (please, don't give any suggestions)
1- KING FOR A DAY- Faith No More
Where were the keyboards in this album? Without Roddy FNM is NOT really
FNM. It was just a good record from a good band (which didn't sound like
FNM)
2- FILMWORKS II- John Zorn
Very boring compared to Filmworks I
3- Z-ROCK HAWAII (Boredoms+Ween)
Just Ween trademark songs with Eye shouting on them. They didn't create any
new sounds together, it's just each band doing their part.
4- THE MOLLUSK- Ween
They were more creative on the old days (The Pod, Pure Guava) when all they
had was a guitar and a drum machine.
5- AFTERTASTE- Helmet
After Betty it seemed that Helmet was trying new things on their songs but
Aftertaste was not a good comeback. It's better to buy "Meantime" instead.
6- MODUS OPERNADI- Photek
Monotonous drum n' bass (you listen to one track, you listened to all)
I know many of you may think I'm crazy because of this list but if
you have some good arguments you might convince me to give them another
listen.
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 22:21:32 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: List Tally
I got 'em all so far.
I'll let the weekenders chime in with their faves, if they want to, then post
the final results.
Also, anyone who wants a complete list can email me for a Windows XL
spreadsheet,
or a comma separated text file. Let me know your preference.
Peter
peter_risser@cinfin.com
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:31:08 -0500
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Two Comments
Keith McMullen wrote:
(snip)
> (2) I'm twitching to start the next thread: Top 20 most memorable live
> concert experiences.
I was just thinking about suggesting the same thing.....
Rich
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:49:25 -0500
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re:
Patrick Ivan Jenkins wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anyone out there knows the answer to the following
> questions.
>
> 1)I read in an article on John Zorn's Masada, that the Masada
> compositions are written in six or less staves of music
During the recent Masada String Trio radio b-cast, JZ revealed that the
comps are written just like standard jazz compositions. The heads are
notated, and the rest is improv based on the chord changes of the head.
If you've ever seen The Real Book this should be very familiar
> 2)Does anybody know of a dictionary or resource book to translate the
> titles of the masada compositions into English? I was told that they are
> phonetic hebrew words and names?
Zorn also said something to the effect that even he doesn't remember the
translations, since he got them from many different books. Some are
hebrew, some are from other languages of the middle east.
Rich
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