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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #295
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, April 2 1998 Volume 02 : Number 295
In this issue:
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20 records
twentysomething
Re: 20 records
Top 23 Albums
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #294
e# (was 20 records)
Trout Mask Replica
Re: Top 20
Carl Stone
request
Top 20 o' mine
top 20
20 records
Re: Stravinsky/Shostakovitch do jazz??
Re: looking for some info on these albums
Re: Masayuki Takayanagi
more takayanagi
Top 20 at the moment...
Top 20 Egos on Parade
Re: Top 20 Egos on Parade
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:57:52 -0300
From: Gabriel Lichtmann <licht@bancaria.com.ar>
Subject: 20 records
Well, here's my list, I know I'll regret most of it tomorrow, but anyway:
(in no particular order)
Faith No More "Angel Dust"
Sonic Youth "Daydream Nation"
Neil Young "Ragged Glory"
Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"
John Zorn "Bar Kokhba"
Caetano Veloso "Circulado Ao Vivo"
The Beatles "The White Album"
Pixies "Surfer Rosa"
John Zorn "Naked City"
Prince "Sign O' The Times"
Prince "Purple Rain"
Velvet Underground & Nico "Peel Slowly and See" (boxed set)
The Smiths "Louder than bommbs"
John Coltrane "A Love Supreme"
Pink Floyd "The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn"
Joy Division "Substance" (actually anything, but I'll go for this one)
Don Cornelio y La Zona "idem" (I know the other argentinian guys chose L.A.
Spinetta for his musicality reasons, but this is what poetry
sounds like to me)
Roni Size/Reprazent "New Forms"
Aphex Twin "SAW vol2"
V.A "Isolationism"
Mmm, too "rock", I think I got a bit nostalgic. I'm forgetting many
records, but this I what I would keep if I had to sell my records
collection, this are not my favorite records.
Bye.
P.D: If the other argentinian guys want to discuss my choice of Don
Cornelio over Spinetta I think we should do it outside the list.
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:50:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Joshua A Miller <umillj08@mcl.ucsb.edu>
Subject: twentysomething
okay, okay, me too. this will be missing a lot (obviously)
john cale- paris 1919
glenn branca symphonies 8&10
james chance/contortions- buy the contortions
bill frisell- where in the world (let's say for now...)
swell maps- jane from occupied europe
the raincoats- the raincoats (!!!)
ornette coleman- free jazz
fred frith- speechless
8-eyed spy- 8-eyed spy
charles mingus- the black saint and the sinner lady
god is my co-pilot- speed yr trip
tom waits- raindogs
the fall- wonderfull and frightening world of...
henry threadgill- too much sugar for a dime
sonic youth- daydream nation
sun ra- space is the place
velvet undergound- velvet underground and nico
john zorn- naked city
vaselines- the way of the vaselines
half japanese- greatest hits
eugene chadbourne- corpses of foreign war (first to come to
mind)...
minutemen- double nickels on the dime
pere ubu- dub housing
wire- pink flag
elvis costello- armed forces
so i went over...everybody else did too! only twenty. hmph. what a
nightmare!
josh
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 15:53:59 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: 20 records
On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:57:52 -0300 Gabriel Lichtmann wrote:
>
> Well, here's my list, I know I'll regret most of it tomorrow, but anyway:
> (in no particular order)
>
> Faith No More "Angel Dust"
> Sonic Youth "Daydream Nation"
> Neil Young "Ragged Glory"
> Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue"
> John Zorn "Bar Kokhba"
> Caetano Veloso "Circulado Ao Vivo"
> The Beatles "The White Album"
> Pixies "Surfer Rosa"
> John Zorn "Naked City"
> Prince "Sign O' The Times"
> Prince "Purple Rain"
> Velvet Underground & Nico "Peel Slowly and See" (boxed set)
> The Smiths "Louder than bommbs"
Darn! I forgot The Smiths...
Patrice.
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:51:04 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: Top 23 Albums
You asked for it:
First, the runners up:
3 - Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
3 - Eno/Byrne - My Life in the Bush of Ghosts
3 - Derek Bailey - Aida
3 - Don Caballero - II
3 - Faith No More - King for a Day
3 - Genesis - Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
3 - John Zorn - Filmworks 1986-1990
3 - King Crimson - Larks' Tongues in Aspic
3 - Miles Davis - Bitches' Brew
3 - Miles Davis - On the Corner
3 - Miles Davis - Pangaea
3 - Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz
3 - Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come
3 - Peter Thomas - Raumpatrouille
3 - Philip Glass - Einstein on the Beach
3 - Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
3 - Tom Waits - Swordfishtrombones
3 - Frank Zappa - The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life
3 - Frank Zappa - Weasels Ripped My Flesh
Now the top 23:
4 - Steve Reich - Music for 18 Musicians
4 - King Crimson - Red
4 - Brian Eno - Another Green World
4 - Charles Mingus - Presents Charles Mingus
4 - Naked City - Radio
4 - Stravinsky's Petrouchka
4 - Tom Waits - Frank's Wild Years
4 - Tom Waits - Rain Dogs
4 - Iannis Xenakis - La Legende D'Eer
Heading into classics territory:
5 - Captain Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica
5 - John Zorn - Spy vs Spy
5 - Sonny Sharrock - Ask the Ages
6 - Beatles - White Album
6 - Naked City - Torture Garden
Seminal Recordings?:
7 - Albert Ayler - Spiritual Unity
7 - Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch
7 - John Coltrane - A Love Supreme
7 - John Zorn - Bar Kokhba
7 - Mr. Bungle - Disco Volante
7 - Stravinsky's Rite of Spring
9 - Ornette Coleman - Beauty Is a Rare Thing
10 - Naked City - s/t
12 - Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
Just thought you'd like to know
Peter
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 16:09:51 -0800
From: George Grella <george_grella@pop3.decisionanalytics.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #294
Cappy D'Angelo writes:
> Are you completely writing off minimalism here, or just this particular
> piece? Reich, Riley, Young, Andriessen, Glass? Gamelon (and much
> non-western music)? What about Sinking of the Titanic (Bryars) which
> I've noticed on a few top 20s? What about the Bryars album (the name
> escapes me) with Alaric (sp?) featuring, inter alia, Evan Parker and
> Bill Frisell - this is one of my favorites.
>
Not in any way - this response surprises me. I have many CDs by the
composers you mention in my collection, to begin with, and their music,
as Minimalism, does a lot more than the Bryar's piece does.
Take some or Reich's most rigorous work for example, like "It's Gonna
Rain," or "Drumming." The music develops on an elemental level, it
transforms from one thing to another. Like any good composer, he
implicitly understands the need for modulation, especially when his
"language" is repetition. In the tape piece, he chooses only one
element to modulate, the playback of the loop, but he still modulates
it.
"Jesus Blood" doesn't modulate. It doesn't vary key, tempo, rhythm or
mode from how it begins to any other appreciably different state. Some
instruments come in, the voice keeps going, some more instruments come
in, the voice keeps going. I wouldn't even call this Minimalism, which
implys that the composer is using a specific technique but it still
writing a piece of music that does something. Brys uses no technique
other than plain repetition and less than cursory arranging. And with a
piece the length of a Romantic era symphony, that is just deadly,
whether or not Tom Wairs makes a cameo in the "coda." It's not that I
don't understand the appeal of the record, I do, and if people enjoy it,
good for them. But it's not for me.
gg
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 18:41:02 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: e# (was 20 records)
> 16) Elliott Sharp Larynx
Brian - I remember you asking a while back for some recent e# recs... If
you really liked LARYNX (I did too) you should check out his new
Orchestra Carbon disc called RHEO-UMBRA. It's a brand spanking new
hand-packaged, limited edition (only 300) set on e#'s zOaR label. It's a
pretty similar concept to LARYNX (e# w/Carbon + string quartet + 2 bass
clarinets playing one piece split into two parts with the blocky
structure of LARYNX). Also on zOaR (another hand-packaged limited
edition set) is SPRING & NEAP which is an AMAZING piece written and
conducted by e#. It's one composition for 2 kotos, 2 shamisen, harp,
piano, 2 violins, 2 cellos, 2 contrabasses & 4 percussionists (i could
be leaving something out) that is a very dissonant and dynamic
build-up/release of tension piece. I can very easily compare it to
Xenakis.
Other recent-ish e# discs of note are INTERFERENCE (w/Carbon,
instrumental, very different from all other Carbon I've heard) and his
solo fretless guitar disc SFERICS. I really love all of these discs.
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:23:34 -0600 (CST)
From: Doug McKay <mckay003@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Trout Mask Replica
TROUT MASK REPLICA shows up on a lot of lists. I haven't heard it, but I
had the sampler ZAPPED as kid and it had one or two Beefheart on it. Now
I'm thinking this is a good time to finally buy it.
Doug McKay
In Minnesota
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 11:53:12 +1000
From: Alistair Poore <a.poore@unsw.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Top 20
Not quite 20, but a pretty good summary of my tastes at the moment.
George Adams/Don Pullen Quartet - City gates
Bajourou - Big string theory
Tim Berne's Bloodcount - Unwound
Ornette Coleman - Change of the century
Eric Dolphy Eric Dolphy - At the Five Spot, Vol. 1
Bob Dylan - Blood on the tracks
Marty Ehrlich's Darkwoods Ensemble - Just before the dawn
Donald Harrison - Indian blues
Keith Jarrett - At the Blue Note. The complete recordings
Kronos Quartet - Pieces of Africa
Taj Mahal - Giant steps/De ole folks at home
Myra Melford Extended Ensemble - Even the sounds shine
David Murray - Spirituals
Bobby Previte - Too close to the pole
Don Pullen and the Afro-Brazilian Connection - Ode to life
Horace Tapscott - The dark tree. Vol. 1
Ali Farke Toure & Ry Cooder - Talking Timbuktu
McCoy Tyner - The real McCoy
Loudon Wainwright III - History
Tom Waits - Rain dogs
Randy Weston - The spirits of our ancestors
World Saxophone Quartet - Metamorphosis
John Zorn - Bar Khokhba
- --
Alistair G. B. Poore
Email: a.poore@unsw.edu.au
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 20:52:03 -0500
From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com>
Subject: Carl Stone
Wouldn't have thought he would come up on this list but my hat's off to the
people that have been mentioning him recently. Anyone else see his recent
Kitchen performance? He did this wild, swirling psychedelic piece called
'Guelaguetza' (or 'Guelaguetzl').
Jason
Perfect Sound Forever
online music magazine
perfect-sound@furious.com
http://www.furious.com/perfect
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 19:50:21 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: request
I'm making a request to hear from Stephen Drury, David Newgarden and
David Slusser as to what they would consider their top 20 records. Let's
hear 'em guys!
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 98 21:43:18 -0400
From: Tyler <fruitypants@biogate.com>
Subject: Top 20 o' mine
Hey all, thought I might as well throw my faves out while I have the
chance... Probably
a change from regular zorn list material,oh well. Enjoy (or don't). In
no order.
Sonic Youth-"Goo"
The Jesus Lizard-"Goat"
Medecine-"The Buried Life"
My Bloody Valentine-"Loveless"
Naked City-"Torture Garden"
Boredoms-"Onanie Bomb Meets the Sex Pistols"
Six Finger Satellite-"Severe Exposure"
Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds-"Let Love In"
Husker Du-"New Day Rising"
Girls against Boys-"Cruise Yourself"
Didjits-"Full Nelson Reilly"
Big Black-"Songs About Fucking"
Photek-"Modus Operandi"
Jon Spencer Blues Explosion-"Orange"
Fishbone-"The Reality of My Surroundings"
Parliament-"Tear the Roof Off"
Supernova-"Ages 3 and Up"
Greyboy Allstars-"A Town Called Earth"
Minor Threat-"Complete Discography"
Wesley Willis Fiasco-"SpookyDisharmoniousConflictHellride"
There. Now the world (part of it at least) knows the inner-most
listenings of one Tyler J.
fruitypants@biogate.com
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 22:07:35 -0500
From: Jack Blanton <jblanton@kent.edu>
Subject: top 20
My top 20; not necessarily in order, trying to avoid too much repetition in
artists, probabally forgetting some, and likely with many mispellings:
Sonic Youth-Sister
John Zorn-Bar Khokba
Dimiti Shostakovitch-String Quartet #8 (all time favorite piece of music;
especially the flawless version by the Kronos Quartet)
John Coltrane-Live in Seattle
Johnny Cash-The American Recordings
Kronos Quartet/Terry Rielly-Salome Dances for Peace
Ludwig Van Beetoveen-The Complete Symphonies
Sebadoh-Bubble and Scrape
Naked City-Radio
Blue (soundtrack, by L. Preisler)
Fugazi-Red Medicine
Bela Bartock-Complete String Quartets (Emerson Quartet)
Black Flag-Loose Nut
Dave Douglass-Parallell Worlds
Franz Schubert-Death and the Maden Quartet (Emerson Quartet)
Gorecki-String Quartets 1 and 2 (Kronos Quartet)
Georges Bizet-Carmen
Osvaldo Golijov-The Dreams and Prayers of Isaac the Blind (Kronos
Quartet/David Krakauer)
Oliver Messiaen-Quartet for the End of Time
Masada (Box set; I'm cheating, but they're all so great!)
A mixed bag, no?
JACK
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:14:05 -0300
From: "cmurat" <cmurat@rcc.com.AR>
Subject: 20 records
My 20 favorites:
Kronos Quartet - White man sleeps / Black Angels
Miles Davis - Kind of blue / Bitches Brew / We want Miles
Ornette Coleman - Beauty is a rare thing
Eric Dolphy - The complete Prestige recording
John Coltrane - Live in Japan
Keith Jarrett - Koln Concert
Joni Mitchell - Mingus
Spinetta - Artaud
Pescado Rabioso - Pescado 2
Caetano Veloso - Muito
Erik Satie - Vexations
Arditti String Quartet - Arnold Schoenberg 3 Chamber Music
Velvet Underground - Peel slowly and see
Curlew - A beautiful western saddle
Nick Cave - Murder Ballads
Larry Ochs - The secret Magritte
Anthony Braxton - Willisau (quartet) 1991
Zeena Parkins - Isabelle
Zorn - Frisell - Lewis - News for Lulu
Elliott Sharp - Xenocodex
Guy Klucevsek - Flying vegetables of the apocalypse
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:27:49 +1000 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <s9606487@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Stravinsky/Shostakovitch do jazz??
I've seen a couple of people mention these guys in their lists, so I'm
hoping someone out here knows more than me...
Heard a piece for brass on the radio a while back; it was a jazz-suite by
Stravinsky for Shostakovitch (or maybe: the other way around). I think it
was the 2nd of 2. Don't know too much about these guys, but like my few
Stravinsky records just fine. Can anyone fill me in?
- -
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:36:17 +1000 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <s9606487@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: looking for some info on these albums
On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Zorn wrote:
> EXPERIMENTAL PERFORMANCE WITH JOHN ZORN: Jojo Takayanagi
>
> GANRYU ISLAND: Michihiro Sato and John Zorn
Both dead-rare, I'd say. Masayuki 'Jojo' Takayanagi was a Japanese
guitarist who did work in the vein of prepared guitar and cut-ups under
his Action Direct moniker. That stuff is apparently pretty great - the
inspiration for Merzbow and Otomo Yoshihide both. I think Otomo studied
with him for a time. More info on him in issue 4/2 of the inestimable
British mag, Resonance.
- -
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 22:21:22 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: Masayuki Takayanagi
James Douglas Knox wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Zorn wrote:
>
> > EXPERIMENTAL PERFORMANCE WITH JOHN ZORN: Jojo Takayanagi
> >
> > GANRYU ISLAND: Michihiro Sato and John Zorn
>
> Both dead-rare, I'd say. Masayuki 'Jojo' Takayanagi was a Japanese
> guitarist who did work in the vein of prepared guitar and cut-ups under
> his Action Direct moniker. That stuff is apparently pretty great - the
> inspiration for Merzbow and Otomo Yoshihide both. I think Otomo studied
> with him for a time. More info on him in issue 4/2 of the inestimable
> British mag, Resonance.
Masayuki Takayanagi has a solo prepared table-top guitar disc on the
Japanese Jinya label called 'Inanimate Nature' as well as one with his
group New Direction called 'Live Independence' (or something like that -
this is off hand) with Moto Yoshisawa on bass and a percussionist. The
latter is in more of a conventional guitar style (two tracks on the
album, split between acoustic and electric guitars). Both are quite good
but very different from each other. This is all I've been able to find
on CD. Anyone know of any more?
I've been dying to hear Zorn's duo LP with him so if anyone who has it
is feeling kind enough to offer to make me a tape, I'd really appreciate
it. Thanks!
While I'm here, can anyone recommend Henry Rollins' spoken word
performances? He's coming to perform in my neck of the woods Tuesday
night. Not sure if I'll go...
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 22:27:59 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: more takayanagi
I just went over to Forced Exposure and found that Takayanagi has
another disc I don't have with New Direction called 'The Call In
Question' on PSF. I'll be ordering that one soon. Anything else from
this guy?
-Tom Pratt
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:37:38 -0600
From: fate@telepath.com (Jon Mooneyham)
Subject: Top 20 at the moment...
It's pretty entertaining to see everyone's dirty undies (jazzbos,
headbangers, industrio-noisehogs, reg'lar rockin' dudes, etc.) - here's
mine, right now, in no partic. order...
The Birthday Party - Junkyard
Throbbing Gristle - 20 Jazz Funk Greats
Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um
Pere Ubu - Dub Housing
Tom Waits - Small Change
Mothers of Invention - Uncle Meat
The Pop Group - Y
Rahsaan Roland Kirk - Rip, Rig & Panic/Now Please Don't You Cry, Beautiful Edith
Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come
Alberta Hunter - Amtrak Blues
Captain Beefheart & the Magic Band - Trout Mask Replica
Barry Adamson - Moss Side Story
Leonard Cohen - The Best of (Vol. 1)
Funkadelic - Maggot Brain
Al Green - Let's Stay Together
Burning Spear - Marcus Garvey/Garvey's Ghost
John Oswald - Plexure
Mekons - Curse of the Mekons
Martin Denny - Afro-Desia
& a current fave -
Cujo-Adventures in Foam
Jeez, pretty testosterone-laden... not enough women. Ehhhh...
Yrs,
Jon M.
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:44:45 -0600
From: fate@telepath.com (Jon Mooneyham)
Subject: Top 20 Egos on Parade
Hey, I'm as guilty as the next subscriber... BUT:
With over a hundred messages from this list in the last 24 hours, I gotta
say, there's nothin' like a Biggest/Coolest Dick contest (like this) to get
everybody's fingers flyin' over the keyboard...
ok, back to lurker mode.
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:35:48 -0800
From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Top 20 Egos on Parade
Hey Jon,
You can reduce having a passion for music to dickness if you like. As for
me, I highly value a bunch of people honoring one of the best things life
and creativity have to offer. Music. I love it. And I love seeing what
everyone really likes.
Keith
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