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Zorn List Digest Friday, April 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 296
In this issue:
-
make that 21
20
My 20
Re: Top 20 Emos on Parade (way off-topic)
albums
Re: Top 20 Emos on Parade (way off-topic)
Dougie Bowne
Yet Another Top 20, but my first
RE: Top 20 Emos on Parade (way off-topic)
20 +
Re: Top 20
my 20
Re: Top 20 (JZ's Radio)
Top 20
Re: Musique-Concrete; 3rd Stream
My 20
Top Disappointments / Meta-Comment
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:56:46 -0600
From: fate@telepath.com (Jon Mooneyham)
Subject: make that 21
Fuck! I left out the Fall! Grotesque or This Nation's Saving Grace or Hex
Enduction Hour or...
Jon M.
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:21:39 +0100
From: Nils Jacobson <JACOBSON@frodo.mgh.harvard.edu>
Subject: 20
In the order they sit on the rack:
Squarepusher - Feed Me Weird Things
Tim Berne's Fractured Fairy Tales
Mr. Bungle
Naked City
William Parker - Testimony
Matthew Shipp - Critical Mass
Charles Gayle - Touchin on Trane
Clusone 3
Ornette Coleman - TSOJTC
Ron Miles - My Cruel Heart
Arvo Part - Te Deum
Miles Davis - Aura
Steve Reich - Music for 18 musicians
Don Pullen - Evidence of Things Unseen
Coltrane - Sun Ship
Gateway
John Cage - In a Landscape
FSOL - Lifeforms
Steve Coleman - Curves of Life
Rage Against the Machine - Evil Empire
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 00:25:09 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: My 20
This is tough, as everyone's noted. My own list is unabashedly personal
and not intended to make a statement as to the overall greatness of the
discs listed... some are and some surely aren't... but it's the 20 I
really couldn't bear to be without if I were forced to give up all the
others.
1. King Crimson - Larks' Tongues in Aspic
My top 1 desert island disc.
2. King Crimson - Lizard
I'd want to have this along, too.
3. Gordon Haskell - It's Just a Plot to Drive You Crazy
A guy with a guitar singing really simple, really catchy songs about
everyday things, and apparently getting really drunk along the way
(literally, not metaphorically).
4. Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
A staple of any jazz collection, with one of my personal drum heroes
in the back.
5. Miles Davis - In a Silent Way
Something else altogether.
6. John Coltrane - A Love Supreme
The most pious, humble, worshipful, powerful music in the jazz
canon.
7. Tim Berne - Unwound
Couldn't forget Tim, could I? This covers a lot of ground, from
chamber music to funk.
8. Derek Bailey - Drop Me Off on 96th
My favorite Bailey solo album. "Aida" came close. Both are
beautiful.
9. Bobby Previte - Claude's Late Morning
Gotta have something by Bobby, and this has a bit of just about
everything he does.
10. Ornette Coleman - Beauty Is a Rare Thing
Of course, if box sets were ruled out I could get by with "The Shape
of Jazz to Come."
11. Power Tools - Strange Meeting
My favorite Frisell, stripped down and gnarly, with the tough rhythm
section of Gibbs and Jackson.
12. Joseph Haydn - String Quartets Op. 77 & 103 (Festetics Quartet)
Haydn's quartets set the standard, and these at the end are
gorgeous.
13. Ludwig van Beethoven - Symphony No. 9 (London Classical
Players/Norrington)
Once I listened to nothing else but this record for a whole week,
and understood just how freaked out the audiences of the day must have
been, and why it took Brahms so long to write his first symphony. The
rendition of the 6th symphony from this same cycle is a close second and
would be included if this were a top 25.
14. Jussi Bj=F6rling - Opera Arias 1936-45 (1988 EMI compilation)
Vocal beauty defined, for me at least. "Ch'ella mi creda libero"
belongs to Bj=F6rling.
15. Carcass - Heartwork
The opposite end of the spectrum, of course, for when nothing else
will do. This nearly could have been Napalm Death's "Utopia Banished,"
but Carcass gets the edge for the massive guitar riffage of the title
track.
16. American Music Club - Mercury
This could easily have been "California" or "Everclear" but
"Mercury" gets the edge for oddness and one of the greatest desperate
odes of all time, "Apology for an Accident."
17. Fairground Attraction - The First of a Million Kisses
Eddi Reader's vocal candyfloss in its warmest setting.
18. Art Ensemble of Chicago - Live in Berlin
There are more important albums, but this is the most scintillating
of the later complete concert recordings.
19. Astor Piazzolla - Tango Zero Hour
One of the greatest records ever made, period.
20. Kip Hanrahan - Desire Develops an Edge
An art film disguised as a record of poems about politics, both
international and interpersonal.
Obviously my classical background and pop proclivities are all apparent
to the max here, and I hope not to be disowned by the rest of you...
The closest also-rans were "Spirit of Eden" by Talk Talk, "Workers
Playtime" by Billy Bragg, James "Blood" Ulmer's "Odyssey," the 4CD set
of Ravel's orchestral works played by the Montreal Symphony under
Charles Dutoit, and Zorn's "Spillane." I was also startled to realize
that there are numerous artists who are represented by 10, 20 or more
recordings in my collection yet didn't make the trip to the island with
me, first and foremost of which were Anthony Braxton and Cecil Taylor,
both of whom I admire and enjoy wihtout reservation. And like so may
other lists, Zorn himself didn't make the cut, but I still can't and
won't ever underestimate the impact "The Big Gundown" had on my overall
listening choices and development.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:42:30 -0600
From: fate@telepath.com (Jon Mooneyham)
Subject: Re: Top 20 Emos on Parade (way off-topic)
>Hey Jon,
>
>You can reduce having a passion for music to dickness if you like. As for
>me, I highly value a bunch of people honoring one of the best things life
>and creativity have to offer. Music. I love it. And I love seeing what
>everyone really likes.
>
>Keith
Hey Keith,
Didn't mean to trample yer tootsies - but having a passion for music isn't
quite the same as having a passion for making lists... and lest anyone else
be w/ feathers all a-ruffled, I meant "dick" as in "penis," not "dick" as
in "really arrogant and largely unpleasant male person."
I enjoyed reading the lists, too - "Makin' a list, checkin' it twice"
infects all sub-lists at some point... I have a few contributor's lists
earmarked for future purchases...
And, umm, what's the right term, here? Dickliness? Dickishness?
Again, sorry...
Jon "Dickhead" M.
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 23:52:53 -0800
From: Zorn <gking@win.bright.net>
Subject: albums
EXPERIMENTAL PERFORMANCE WITH JOHN ZORN: Jojo Takayanagi
GANRYU ISLAND: Michihiro Sato and John Zorn
if anyone can provide me with a tape of either of these two i would be
eternally grateful.
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:49:03 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: Top 20 Emos on Parade (way off-topic)
On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Jon Mooneyham wrote:
> Didn't mean to trample yer tootsies - but having a passion for music isn't
> quite the same as having a passion for making lists... and lest anyone else
> be w/ feathers all a-ruffled, I meant "dick" as in "penis," not "dick" as
> in "really arrogant and largely unpleasant male person."
you have too much time on your hands.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:15:16 EST
From: gsg@juno.com (Geoff S Gersh)
Subject: Dougie Bowne
I heard that D. Bowne is paralyzed from the neck down....due to taking
bad heroin!?
He was gettin high with some 19 yo girl....I think she's in a coma.
real sad if its true......
G. Gersh
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:48:14 +0000
From: Dwight Haden <dhaden@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Yet Another Top 20, but my first
25 actually, but I hope my lack of box sets makes things equal. Arranged
roughly by date of release...
1. Pere Ubu The Modern Dance
2. Chrome Alien Soundtracks
3. The Stranglers No More Heroes
4. Gang Of 4 Entertainment!
5. Joy Division Closer
6. Mission of Burma VS
7. REM Murmur
8. The Birthday Party Mutiny/The Bad Seed EPs
9. Violent Femmes Hallowed Ground
10. Husker Du Zen Arcade
11. Robyn Hitchcock I Often Dream Of Trains
12. Sonic Youth Evol
13. Shockabilly Vietnam
14. Einst=FCrzende Neubauten F=FCnf Auf Der Nach Oben Offenen Richterscala
15. The Silos Cuba
16. The Pixies Doolittle
17. Kronos Quartet White Man Sleeps
19. Lounge Lizards Voice Of Chunk
18. Bongwater The Power Of Pussy
20. Miniature Can't Put My Finger On It
21. Tool Undertow
22. Boss Hog Boss Hog
23. Pigpen Live In Poland
24. David S. Ware Quartet Dao
25. Barbara Manning 1212
Noticeably absent, Mr. Zorn. That's because I could chuck the above list
and just keep virtually all my Zorn / Naked City / Painkiller / Avant /=20
Tzadik CD's and be quite content. You'd have to pry them from my cold dead
fingers.
Dwight Haden =3D=3D=3D dhaden@worldnet.att.net
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:53:03 -0800
From: mike burma <rizzi@grin.net>
Subject: RE: Top 20 Emos on Parade (way off-topic)
>From: SUGAR in their vitamins?
>On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Jon Mooneyham wrote:
>> Didn't mean to trample yer tootsies - but having a passion for music isn't
>> quite the same as having a passion for making lists... and lest anyone else
>> be w/ feathers all a-ruffled, I meant "dick" as in "penis," not "dick" as
>> in "really arrogant and largely unpleasant male person."
>you have too much time on your hands.
That's a pretty uncalled for comment, especially
considering he apologized.
mike
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 02:22:42 EST
From: gsg@juno.com (Geoff S Gersh)
Subject: 20 +
heres my list.....this was hard!!!!! there are many recordings that would
probably make this list IF i had them....but, my CD purchasing has slowed
down quite a bit in the last year or so..... anyway....here it is in no
particular order:
Eraserhead Soundtrack
Pat Metheny - Q&A
Charles Ives - Symphony #4, Central Park in the Dark, Three Places in
New England
Kenny Dorham - 2 Horns/2 Rhythm
Samuel Barber - Adagio for Strings
Bill Frisell - Quartet(well....everything by him!!)
Marc Ribot - Requiem for Whats His Name
Carl Stalling Project - Vol. 1 & 2
Deep Listening Band - Tosca Salad
Gnawa Music of Marrakesh - Night Spirit Masters
Le Mystere des Voix Bulgares - Bulgarian State TV Female Voice
Choir(Vol.1,2 & Ritual-3 CD set)
Charles Mingus - Live at Antibes
"" "" "" "" - Blues and Roots
Metallica - ....and Justice for All
Jam Session of Tsugaru Shamisen - Yamada Chisato/Swada Katsuaki
Angelo Badalamenti - Twin Peaks S/T (TV and film)
Julee Cruise - the Voice of Love
Kronos Quartet - Winter was Hard
Henryk Gorecki - Symphony #3 w/ Dawn Upshaw
John Zorn - Elegy
"" "" "" - Filmworks 89 - 90, FW III
"" "" """ - News For Lulu
Masada - 3 and 5
ok...so i snuck a few extras in there......maybe next month we should do
this again!!!
G. Gersh
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:58:14 +0000
From: Dwight Haden <dhaden@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Top 20
I am amazed that I keep seeing Sonic Youth's Daydream Nation showing up
on top 20 lists (it seems to me it's been on 6 or 7 lists so far.) I'm
a long time SY fan and I consider Daydream Nation to be easily surpassed
by anything they recorded before or since. Daydream Nation I mark as the
first SY record with truly lame, uninspired lyrics, and, unfortunately,
not the last.
I see the new instrumental disks (SYR 1-3) as a giant step forward.
Also, glad to see Naked City's Radio get mentioned on quite a few top 20's.
Seems to me it usually gets disparaged on the Zorn Digest. I think the first
10 tracks on this disk are some of Zorn's best work (and Frisell's, and
Horvitz's for that matter.)
Dwight Haden === dhaden@worldnet.att.net
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:18:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Todd Bramy <tbramy@oz.net>
Subject: my 20
I know if I go look through my stuff, this list would be impossible - so
here it is off the top of my head:
John Zorn: Kristallnacht
Melvins: Houdini
Bill Frisell: Before We Were Born
Yoko Ono: Approximately Infinite Universe
The Boomtown Rats: A Tonic For The Troops
Big Black: Songs About Fucking
Atari Teenage Riot: Burn Berlin Burn
Miles Davis: Bitches Brew
Butthole Surfers: Locust Abortion Technician
Tony Scott: Music For Zen Meditation
Naked City: Naked City
Corrosion Of Conformity: Animosity
Nirvana: In Utero
Pink Floyd: The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn
Philip Glass: North Star
Steve Reich: Four Organs
Derek and the Ruins: Saisoro
Tom Waits: Bone Machine
Mahavishnu Orchestra: Birds of Fire
Elvis Costello: Armed Forces
The Pixies: Doolittle
Negativland: Escape From Noise
Wow. That doesn't seem like very much. I'd like seconds.
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Todd Bramy
tbramy@oz.net
http://www.oz.net/~tbramy
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"It is not a fragrant world."
Raymond Chandler
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 00:33:35 -0800
From: Rob DeNunzio <zorn@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Subject: Re: Top 20 (JZ's Radio)
>Also, glad to see Naked City's Radio get mentioned on quite a few top 20's.
>Seems to me it usually gets disparaged on the Zorn Digest. I think the first
>10 tracks on this disk are some of Zorn's best work (and Frisell's, and
>Horvitz's for that matter.)
>
> Dwight Haden === dhaden@worldnet.att.net
The Radio phenomena brings up an interesting point. When I first starting
delving my funds into the Avant Naked City discs. The Penguin Guide had all
of the ones issued to that point, and like a dolt, I took thier advice and
purchased Heretic instead of Radio. From their descriptions, it seems like
they mixed the two discs up - what they had described of Heretic was
nothing like what it was. They also gave Radio a very low rating. After I
thought something was amiss, I went to listen to Radio and fell in love
with it. I don't know how many people trust guides for purchasing music (I
don't anymore!) but a mix-up like that probably didn't just affect me, esp.
with a fancy little guide like Penguin's. Hell, it's the only guide I see
stocked in jazz sections in most stores. I bet you're all pretty upset that
you stopped to read this by now. Sorry kids, just yakkin'.
Rob DeNunzio
Hi-Fi Mundo
http://www.teleport.com
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 10:39:05 +0200
From: Julien Quint <Julien.Quint@xrce.xerox.com>
Subject: Top 20
My top 20 for this hour (April 3rd, 1998, 10 am). Compiled from work, not
looking at my records collection. Actually, I'm pretty surprised at how this
list turns out... I've missed so much stuff :( The choices for some artists
(Coltrane, Ornette, Miles, the Boredoms, Mingus, Albini projects, Tortoise,
Zorn of course) are totally arbitray, but they had to be there. Sorry it's a
little over 20, these lists are really tough to compile!
Alboth!...................... Amour 1991 (PDCD)
Autechre..................... Chiastic Slide (Warp)
Bali......................... a Gamelan disc (Nonesuch, JVC?)
Bastard...................... Radiant, Discharged, Crossed-off (Semantic)
Big Black.................... Atomizer (Touch & Go)
Boredoms..................... Chocolate Synthesizer (Reprise)
Brise Glace.................. When in Vanitas (Skin Graft)
Cheer-Accident............... Not a Food (Pravda)
Ornette Coleman.............. Beauty is a rare thing (Atlantic)
John Coltrane................ Stellar Regions (Impulse)
Miles Davis.................. Filles de Kilimandjaro (Columbia)
Dazzling Killmen............. Face of Collapse (Skin Graft)
Dog Faced Hermans............ Those Deep Buds (Alternative Tentacles)
Eric Dolphy.................. Out to Lunch (Blue Note)
Duke Ellington............... Money Jungle (Blue Note)
Master Musicians of Jajouka.. Apocalypse across the sky (Axiom)
Charlie Mingus............... Dynasty (Columbia)
Naked City................... Torture Garden (Shimmy Disc)
Nomeansno.................... Wrong (Alternative Tentacles)
Slint........................ Spiderland (Touch & Go)
Sonic Youth.................. Sister (Blast First)
Tortoise..................... Millions now living will never die (Thrill
Jockey)
This Heat.................... This Heat (These)
ps -- my copy of Torture Garden has 42 tracks, not 46 as I wrongly wrote
earlier... must be the same as the 12" then.
*
Julien
Julien Quint Member of the MLTT Resarch Staff
Xerox Research Centre Europe julien.quint@xrce.xerox.com
6, chemin de Maupertuis phone: +33 (0)4 76 61 50 38
38240 Meylan, France fax: +33 (0)4 76 61 50 99
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 04:10:11 EST
From: Dgasque <Dgasque@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Musique-Concrete; 3rd Stream
In a message dated 98-04-02 13:06:12 EST, you write:
<< May I suggest a great electronic record by a Composer, capital "C," with
a more pop sensibility than you'll find in the pages of Computer Music
Journal; the record is "Mom's" on New Albion, the Composer is Carl
Stone. It's the best of all worlds; ambient, cut-ups, constructed
tension and release; rhythms. The most listenable electronic music I
know. >>
I agree- great CD!
=dgasque=
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 04:10:06 EST
From: Dgasque <Dgasque@aol.com>
Subject: My 20
A little bit of everything and in no order whatsoever-
Cardiacs- All That Glitters is a Maresnest
Louis Moholo Octet- Spirits Rejoice
Area- 1978
Chase- Ennea
Il Balletto di Bronzo- Ys
Steve Lacy Septet- The Gleam
Ozric Tentacles- Erpland
Tangerine Dream- Phaedra
Opus Avantra- Interspezione
Arti+Mestieri- Giro di Valzer per Domani
Beach Boys- Pet Sounds
National Health- Queues and Cures
Flea- Topi o Uomini
Horslips- The Man Who Built America
Sun Ra- Jazz in Silhouette
Bruford- One of a Kind
Terje Rypdal- If Mountains Could Sing
Eberhard Weber- Silent Feet
Can- Saw Delight
Tarika Sammy- Son Egal
=dgasque=
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 11:16:59 +0200
From: Friedrich Feger <ffeger@gwdg.de>
Subject: Top Disappointments / Meta-Comment
<paraindent><param>out</param>Bill Laswell: Dub Meltdown. Sounds like
listening to the drum and bass tracks of a vulgar Reaggae recording in
the studio before putting the rest of the band on tape. With some
occasional disturbing and meaningless noises.
Mike Patton: Pranza OltaorwhateverIforgotit. After hearing him live
together with Zorn and beeing really impressed, I couldn't believe that.
The same with Faith No More as a whole. I simply didn't get it.
Pat Metheny: Imaginary Day. It continues the sequence of recordings
beeing less and less bearable. There are so many records of him that I
like a lot (Offramp, 80/81, Duo w/Haden, Song X, Still Live Talking...),
this is Kitsch as Kitsch can, without any ironic distance.
</paraindent>That's it so far. I must say that I really enjoy this climax
of the whole chart/recommendation thing on the list. For two reasons:
first, we did something almost everybody secretly wanted to to for a long
time (I suspect), and it revealed the celebrated diversity of tastes
here, as well as the funny fact that Zorn and avant music in general is
not the core of the music passion of SOME people here. Secondly, I
nourish the hope that we are kind of through with the recommendation
thing after this excess, so that we can turn to more general and
theoretic issues. What has always been the thing I liked the most here.
Fritz.
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