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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #291
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, April 2 1998 Volume 02 : Number 291
In this issue:
-
Ikue Mori's B/Side
don cab II
Twenty
Re:looking for some info on these albums
Re: 20 is not enough
20 CDs
Re: 20 Records
Re: what's up with dougie bowne & arto lindsay ???????
Re: masada on sale
Re: 20 Records
Re: 20 Records
Re:20
another 20
Re: 20 Records
Re: musique concrete
Re: record-recommendations needed
Bush of Ghosts/Remain in Light
Re: looking for some info on these albums
Re: musique concrete
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 98 09:58:54 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Ikue Mori's B/Side
A couple weeks back, one or two folks here asked for opinions on
Mori's latest.
It's not bad, though fans of her more rock-oriented ('Painted Desert')
things might be put off. It's very much in the pure soundtrack vein,
as opposed to the more song-oriented work found in many of Zorn's
projects. Her drum machine and sampler are dominant, sometimes to
excellent effect (the wonderfully titled 'Bulldozer's Song') but
sometimes uneasily reminiscent of that mid-80's drum machine sound, a
bit tinny and hollow for my taste.
On the final two cuts, she obtains an interesting toy piano-like sound
and mixes in some rather Partchian rhythms very nicely.
Worth hearing, though I'm still waiting to hear a recording as
impressive as her improv work with Bailey and Zorn last fall at KF.
That was just extraordinary.
Brian Olewnick
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:25:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: don cab II
On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Landon Thorpe wrote:
> Boy am I glad to see this pop up on a top 20 list! It would definitely be
> on my top 20 list, too (forthcoming, hopefully). Does anyone else feel
> strongly about this band and esp. this album? I think Don Caballero has a
> lot to say about composition and group improvisation and blurring the line
> between the two. Some passages seem like they must be improvised, but the
> group performance is so tight that I wonder if they are. Can anyone shed
> any light on this?
having seen them play some of the material from _II_, i would say that
you might be surprised how much is composed. their newest material seems
to be part composed part improvised, but definitely not locked into the
kind of tight changes on _for respect_. the new stuff definitely sounds
more like storm & stress with those damon che rock-solid beats
underneath.
b
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:03:10 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: Twenty
I tried this at home last night sitting in front of my collection and stopped at
about 50.
So maybe here at work I'll be more honest:
Order in which they come to mind:
1) Elysian Fields - Burn Your Cedar
Mr Bungle - Disco Volante
Jamiroquai - Emergency on Planet Earth
Sly and the Family Stone - Fresh
5) Air - Moon Safari
Getz/Gilberto
Space Age Pop Vol 1 (RCA)
Yes - Relayer
Soft Machine - Volume Two
10) Beastie Boys - Check Your Head/Paul's Boutique
Carl Stone - Mom's
Helmet - Meantime
5ive Style - s/t
Ed Hall - Motherscratcher
15) Dr. Nerve - Skin
Dazzling Killmen - the second album, I forget the name
Melvins - Ozma
Blossom Dearie - Sings Rootin' Songs
v/a - Arrhythmia II
20) King Crimson - Starless and Bible Black/Red
THere's more.
Two things I noticed.
One, not much jazz, and only the sunniest happiest jazz when it's on there. I'm
not a big jazzbo, but it looks like a lot of other people on the list are not
either. I think that's cool that a "jazz" artist like Zorn can bring together
such disparate elements in his work that he attracts music lovers from all ends
of the spectrum.
Two, if you had asked me four years ago, the list woulda been full of Fishbone,
Primus, PFunk, stuff like that. Seven years ago it woulda been Throwing Muses,
They Might Be Giants, Smiths, etc. All still excellent albums, albums I'd never
trade, but I don't need to listen to them any more. Usually.
And if I had to pick a Zorn album, it'd be a tough choice between Naked City's
first and The Big Gundown. But I'd probably pack Naked City.
Peter
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:27:44 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: Re:looking for some info on these albums
<<
GANRYU ISLAND: Michihiro Sato and John Zorn
>>
At the radio station I worked at, someone had scrawled on the jacket:
Champion Airwave Clearing Music
Which it was indeed. Zorn is Zorn at his noisy squealing best and Sato plays
some sort of asian stringed instrument I think. So, it's the two of them
whooping it up with extreme noise free jazz improvs. The asain instrument is
extremely twangy and in a non-western tonality, I think, so it had a particular
edge to it that made it definitely difficult listening.
Anyway, I've always held a soft spot for the record in the same place I hold
Classic Guide to Strategy One and Two. Not pretty music, but a lot of fun
noise. If you dig these records, you'll probably like the Sato/Zorn thing.
Peter
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 12:35:37 -0300
From: "A.Bueno" <jabu@sminter.com.ar>
Subject: Re: 20 is not enough
A.Bueno wrote:
>
> A.Bueno wrote:
> >
> > No special order
> >
> > ZAPPA Weasels rippes my flesh
> > C.BEEFHEART Shiny Beast
> > HENDRIX Band of Gypsies
> > K.CRIMSON Starless and bible black
> > ROLAND KIRK Infalted tear
> > COLTRANE Live in Japan
> > ART ENSEMBLE OF CHICAGO Full Force
> > XENAKIS Kraanerg
> > G.SCELSI SUITES #9 & 10
> > CAGE SONATAS & INTERLUDES FOR PREPARED PIANO
> > MILES DAVIS Agharta
> > HERMETO PASCOAL Live at Montreux
> > SUN RA Live at montreux
> > JOHNNY WINTER And live
> > ALLMAN BROTHERS Live at Fillmore
> > INVISIBLE Invisible
> > TEN YEARS AFTER Undead
> > BLOODCOUNT Unwound
> > TIM BUCKLEY Lorca
> > BRAXTON Koln 72
> >
> > -
> how could i forget
>
> ornette coleman shape of jazz..
> santana ,lotus
> vienna art orchestra ,suiteof green eighties
> irene schweitzer ,many and one direction
> messiaen,coleurs de la cite cel...
> john adams, shaker loops
> conlon nancarrow,sudies for piano
> stevie ray vaughan,texas flood
> jethro tull,aqualung
> gentle giant,live
> charlie mingus,live at antibes
> eric dolphy,out to lunch
> ligeti,Mechanical works
> cecil taylor 3 phasis
> someck & sharp ,revenge of...
> mahavishnu orchestra ,between nothing....
> elp, brain salad surgery
> cactus same
> led zeppelin 1st
> focus, moving waves
And what about BUTCH MORRIS MONUMENTAL "TESTAMENT"
X-LEGGED SALLY EGGS & ASHES
BACK DOOR same
I promise to stop this
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:36:41 -0600 (CST)
From: y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU
Subject: 20 CDs
ALTRUDA, JOEY Coctails With Joey
BASE OF FICTION Base of Fiction
BEATLES Abbey Road
BEATLES Past Masters
BEATLES White Album
BEACH BOYS Good Vibrations Box
CAN Ege Bamyasi
DAVIS, MILES Nefertiti
DEBUSSY La Mer, Nocturnes
GERSHWIN Rhapsody In Blue (Bernstein)
HAPPY FAMILY Toscco
KING CRIMSON Red
MESSIAEN Mystic
METERS Funky Miracle
MR. BUNGLE Disco Volante
NEWMAN, RANDY Sail Away
STRAVINSKY Rite of Spring
ZORN, JOHN Grand Guignol, Circle Maker
Dominique
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 11:09:52 -0500
From: Mark Saleski <marks@foliage.com>
Subject: Re: 20 Records
my, oh my, was this difficult!!
Bailey/Kaiser - Wireforks
Ginger Baker - Horses and Trees
Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath
Greg Brown - A Live One
Ornette Coleman - Beauty Is A Rare Thing
Coltrane - A Love Supreme
Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue
Miles Davis - In A Silent Way
Grateful Dead - Blues For Allah
Ronnie Earl - I Like It When It Rains
Bill Frizell - Before We Were Born
Gorecki - Symphony #3
Joe Jackson - Live
Pat Metheny Group - Offramp
Pat Metheny Group - Imaginary Day
Pat Metheny Group - Travels
Mozart - Requiem
Marc Ribot - Rootless Cosmopolitans
Bruce Springsteen - Born To Run
Zappa - The Best Band You Never Heard...
Zappa - Jazz From Hell
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 08:28:09 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: what's up with dougie bowne & arto lindsay ???????
On Thu, 02 Apr 1998 15:45:57 +0200 Stefan Verstraeten wrote:
>
> Hi Zornheads,
> One little question: Yesterday I bought the new album by Arto Lindsay
> 'Noon Chill' (be fast by the way, because the first ones contain an
> extra 5 track cd with 4 remixes and one great noise track, remember
> aggregates ???) Anyway, in the liner notes arto says 'I wish dougie
> bowne had played on this record'....
> Does anyone know what's up with dougie bowne??? Does anybody know if he
> will tour with arto ????
Dougie has been seriously ill for the past two years.
Patrice.
> Please give me some answers.....
> --
> Stefan Verstraeten
> sverstraeten@ufsia.ac.be
> http://www.ufsia.ac.be
>
> -
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 08:35:44 -0800
From: George Grella <george_grella@pop3.decisionanalytics.com>
Subject: Re: masada on sale
Peter Hollo writes:
> I still think Bar Kokhba's even better, but perhaps it's because I'm a
> string player, or perhaps because, whilst I think the playing is superb
> on the Masadas, free jazz still leaves me a bit cold, whereas the Masada
> String Trio is just so totally lush and, oooh what can you say?!
>
I can say that perspective does funny things! Coming from the direction
of originally being a jazz musician, Masada strikes me as top-notch,
straight-ahead contemporary jazz, with the emphasis on contemporary,
while things like "Yankees" are free. But the only thing that really
matters is that it sounds good to people.
gg
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:23:48 -0800
From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: 20 Records
Previous discussion notwithstanding, I almost put Zappa's BEST BAND YOU
NEVER HEARD IN YOUR LIFE or MAKE A JAZZ NOISE HERE on my list. Kudos to
those who have.
Also SOFT MACHINE THIRD still gets regular airplay here.
I listened to KIND OF BLUE so much it has drifted away, but belongs.
Are REMAIN IN LIGHT or BUSH OF GHOSTS on any lists?
I'm cheating.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 08:57:23 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: 20 Records
I should have never done that, but here we go (just the tip of my iceberg of
favorites). (Bjorn, you should have asked a list per genre; thinking about
that more, it would still have been a pain :-).
In order of (approximate) release year (the ones with the "#" got removed
only to make the list 20-long -- my sneaky way to add more to a list that
should have been at least 200-long):
KIND OF BLUE: Miles Davis (Columbia)
A LOVE SUPREME: John Coltrane (Impulse!)
A RAINBOW IN CURVED AIR: Terry Riley (Columbia)
SERGENT PEPPER: Beatles (EMI)
# SINFONIA: Luciano Berio
# IN A SILENT WAY: Miles Davis
# BLASE: Archie Shepp (Charly)
# ALL THINGS MUST PASS: George Harrison (Apple)
MUSIC IN SIMILAR MOTION: Phil Glass (Chatham)
# FOUR ORGANS: Steve Reich (Shandar)
ZIGGY STARDUST: David Bowie
# JUST ANOTHER BAND FROM LA: Frank Zappa
CHRIS McGREGOR BROTHERHOOD OF BREATH: s/t (Neon)
RA 1 + 2: Evan Parker, Paul Lytton (Ring)
NOT AVAILABLE: The Residents (Raph)
# EINSTEIN ON THE BEACH: Phil Glass (Tomato)
MUSIC FOR EIGHTEEN MUSICIANS: Steve Reich (ECM)
# TEHILLIM: Steve Reich (ECM)
# THE DREAMING: Kate Bush
HOUNDS OF LOVE: Kate Bush
SONGS: Steve Lacy (Hat Hut)
LOCUS SOLUS: John Zorn (Tzadik)
# DENSE BAND: David Moss (Moers)
ENVY: Ambitious Lovers (Virgin)
THESE THINGS HAPPEN: David Van Tieghem (Warner)
FACTOR X: Rhys Chatham (Moers)
THIS NEW GENERATION: Wayne Horvitz (Elektra)
# CLAUDE'S LATE MORNING: Bobby Previte (Gramavision)
IT WAS A DARK AND STORMY NIGHT: Nicholas Collins (Trace Elements)
LIBERATION: The Divine Comedy (Setanta)
# SAISORO: Derek Bailey and Ruins
I CAN HEAR THE HEART BEATING AS ONE: Yo La Tengo (Matador)
And how could I avoid citing the following:
PELEAS ET MELISSANDE: Claude Debussy
PETROUCHKA: Igor Stravinski
THE RITE OF SPRINGS: Igor Stravinski
LES NOCES: Igor Stravinski
JEUX: Claude Debussy
MUSIC FOR STRINGS, PERCUSSION, AND CELESTA: Bela Bartok
QUATUOR POUR LA FIN DU TEMPS: Olivier Messiaen
PETITES LITURGIES DE LA PRESENCE DIVINE: Olivier Messiaen
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:10:18 -0800
From: George Grella <george_grella@pop3.decisionanalytics.com>
Subject: Re:20
This time, I can't resist the herd impulse:
Glenn Gould; Goldberg Variations, 2nd recording
Steve Lacy and Mal Waldron; Sempre Amore
Cecil Taylor; Looking w/Feel Trio
Tony Williams; Spring
Stravinksy; Petrushka/Rite of Spring (Stravinsky Conducting)
Mahler; Symphony 4/Songs of a Wayfarer (Szell, Cleveland Symphony)
Zorn; Big Gundown
Tom Waits; Franks Wild Years
Sibelius; Symphony 2/7 (Ormandy and Philly)
Adams; Harmonielehre (De Waart and SF)
Reich; Music for 18 Musicians
Art Ensemble of Chicago; Urban Bushmen
Ornette Coleman; Beauty is a Rare Thing
Shostakovich; String Quartets (Manhattan 4tet)
Beethoven; Symphonies (Gardiner and Orchestre Revolutionaire . . .)
Berg; Violin Concerto (Anne-Sophie Mutter)
Elvis Costello; This Year's Model
Webern; Complete Works (Boulez on Sony)
Mozart; Symphony 40/41 (Bernstein and VPO)
Charlie Parker; Complete Savoy RecordingsDial Recordings/Verve
Recordings
subject to change, of course!
gg
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:12:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Keldon Drudge <kdrudge@julian.uwo.ca>
Subject: another 20
elastica
cherry/haden/blackwell/remand old & new dreams (ecm 1979)
elvis costello this year's model
eno here come the warm jets
honegger symphonies 2 & 3 (jansons/oslo phil.; emi)
ornette coleman beauty is a rare thing (magically squashed onto one disc)
janacek string quartets 1 & 2 (hagen quartet; dg)
jazz butcher fishcoteque
mahler/caine urlicht/primal light
masada 7
bill monroe columbia historic edition
new order movement
nits urk
astor piazzola tango: zero hour
rem automatic for the people
scriabin piano sonatas (szidon; dg)
shostakovich jazz music (chailly, concertgebouw orc.; london)
talk talk laughing stock
togashi/cherry/haden song of soil
tom waits black rider
wire pink flag
john zorn filmworks 1986-1990
anthology of american folk music
please don't count...
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:15:50 -0600
From: Rusty Crump <dmcrump@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
Subject: Re: 20 Records
>Previous discussion notwithstanding, I almost put Zappa's BEST BAND YOU
>NEVER HEARD IN YOUR LIFE or MAKE A JAZZ NOISE HERE on my list. Kudos to
>those who have.
>
>Also SOFT MACHINE THIRD still gets regular airplay here.
>
>I listened to KIND OF BLUE so much it has drifted away, but belongs.
>
>Are REMAIN IN LIGHT or BUSH OF GHOSTS on any lists?
>
>I'm cheating.
>
>
>-
I came THIS close to putting both Remain in Light and Bush of Ghosts
(original vinyl version) on my list. But it was already 23 items long,
going on fifty.
Rusty Crump
Oxford, Mississippi
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:16:23 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: musique concrete
> > Things brings up the question of whether to make a distinction between
> > prjects like the above, or "bands" such as Zoviet France,the Hafler Trio,
> > Nurse With Wound, and the more 'accademic' electroacoustic composers such
> > as Stockhausen. Some albums by NWW (not all) are very much in this vein,
> Dunno about this distinction; these "bands" owe as much to an academic
> tradition as some of the more "academic" composers; the main difference is
> in their marketing strategy: I understand Todd Dockstader (e.g.) was
(snip)
> distinction between 'popular' and 'academic' even further. But to me,
> these terms are only indications of how many units a particular title
> managed to shift.
Actually, i think a very valid point was raised here a little while ago
that there really are formal differences between 'academic' and
'underground' electroacousticians, with the former making more use of
dynamic changes and tension/release passages (which is very much part of
the western concert music tradition) while the latter tend towards more
sprawling ambient drones and such. I think there's something in that.
- -jascha
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:25:55 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: record-recommendations needed
> louis andriessen
I have the Bang on a Can Cd entitled 'industry' which includes two longish
works by Andriessen: 'hocket' and some other one whose title escapes me
right now, but which consisits of several musicians in a very close cannon
(an eighth note apart). This CD also has a brilliant piece for solo cello
and distortion pedal by Micheal Gordon, played by Maya Beiser (sp).
Hocket is an amazing piece, consisting entirely of the technique it's
named after. Its for two ensembles consisting of electric bass, pan
pipes, saxophone, vibraphone, cello, and i'm not sure about the
instrumentation exactly but you get the idea. It took the musicians a
year to learn how to play properly.
-jascha
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:26:44 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: Bush of Ghosts/Remain in Light
Bush of Ghosts is one of my favorite albums of all time, and I was recently
introduced to Remain in Light, which is also excellent. How far
backwards/forwards should I go listening to Talking Heads before I get away from
this sound?
Private emails, if this in inappropriate for the list.
Thanks,
Peter
risser@goodnews.net
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:16:08 -0600
From: magnum-jihad@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson)
Subject: Re: looking for some info on these albums
On Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:27:44 UT peter_risser@cinfin.com writes:
><<
>GANRYU ISLAND: Michihiro Sato and John Zorn
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Wasn't that one of the Samurai Trilogy movies, Starring Toshiro Mifune?
Or was that a different Island?
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:36:53 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: musique concrete
On Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:16:23 -0500 (EST) ia zha nah er vesen wrote:
>
> > > Things brings up the question of whether to make a distinction between
> > > prjects like the above, or "bands" such as Zoviet France,the Hafler Trio,
> > > Nurse With Wound, and the more 'accademic' electroacoustic composers such
> > > as Stockhausen. Some albums by NWW (not all) are very much in this vein,
>
> > Dunno about this distinction; these "bands" owe as much to an academic
> > tradition as some of the more "academic" composers; the main difference is
> > in their marketing strategy: I understand Todd Dockstader (e.g.) was
> (snip)
> > distinction between 'popular' and 'academic' even further. But to me,
> > these terms are only indications of how many units a particular title
> > managed to shift.
>
> Actually, i think a very valid point was raised here a little while ago
> that there really are formal differences between 'academic' and
> 'underground' electroacousticians, with the former making more use of
> dynamic changes and tension/release passages (which is very much part of
> the western concert music tradition) while the latter tend towards more
> sprawling ambient drones and such. I think there's something in that.
I think that the main difference is that one has "Composer" on his
business card (and, to a lesser extent, some subsidies and a desk in
a University).
Patrice.
- -
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