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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #290
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, April 2 1998 Volume 02 : Number 290
In this issue:
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what's up with dougie bowne & arto lindsay ???????
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Re: 20 Records
Re[2]: 20 essential records
SKIF2
Re: Hanatarash (was top 20)
re: top 20
TOP 21
Re: top 20 so far
Re: top 20 so far
Top 23
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 15:45:57 +0200
From: Stefan Verstraeten <stefan.verstraeten@advalvas.be>
Subject: what's up with dougie bowne & arto lindsay ???????
Hi Zornheads,
One little question: Yesterday I bought the new album by Arto Lindsay
'Noon Chill' (be fast by the way, because the first ones contain an
extra 5 track cd with 4 remixes and one great noise track, remember
aggregates ???) Anyway, in the liner notes arto says 'I wish dougie
bowne had played on this record'....
Does anyone know what's up with dougie bowne??? Does anybody know if he
will tour with arto ????
Please give me some answers.....
- --
Stefan Verstraeten
sverstraeten@ufsia.ac.be
http://www.ufsia.ac.be
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:05:54 +0200 (WET)
From: Vadim Marmer <msvadi@olive.mscc.huji.ac.il>
Subject: 20
1. A LOVE SUPREME - John Coltrane
2. THE KOLN CONCERT - Keith Jarrett
3. CATALOGUE - Ganelin Trio
4. SPY VS SPY - John Zorn
5. LIVE-EVIL - Miles Davis
6. DARK MAGUS - Miles Davis
7. Filles De Kilimanjaro - Miles Davis
8. FREE JAZZ - Ornette Coleman
9. Crescent - John Coltrane
10. First Meditations - John Coltrane
11. OLE - John Coltrane
12. Kind of Blue - Miles Davis
13. Death and the Flower - Keith Jarrett
14. Extrapolations - Mclaughlin
15. Double Rainbow - Joe Henderson
16. Headhaunters- Herbie Hancock
17. Third - Soft Machine
18. Birds of Fire -Mahavishnu Orc.
19. Haden/Matheny - Short Stories
20. The Shape of Jazz to Come - Ornette Coleman
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:12:16 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: 20 Records
This is completely pointless! Had I the time, I'd do a Martin
Scorsese, ie submit a list 18 and a half times as long as the one
requested.
Louis Armstrong - Hot Fives And Sevens complete
Jelly Roll Morton - Red Hot Chilli Peppers 1926-27
Robert Johnson - Complete Recordings
Bukka White - Complete Vocalion (?) Recordings
Billie Holiday - Complete Commodore (?), ie 1940s, Recordings
Charlie Parker - Complete Royal Roost Recordings (or maybe Benedetti)
Thelonious Monk - Complete Prestige Recordings (doesn't exist)
Max Roach/Clifford Brown Quintet - Study In Brown or complete ...
Sonny Rollins - Complete Prestige or whatever has Sax Colossus and
Worktime and lots of stuff from 1956 and 1957
Charlie Mingus - at least a dozen albums I'm gonna cheat and cram
them in one sleeve/box
Booker Little - Lookin' Ahead (aka Victory And Sorrow aka ... And
Friend)
Eric Dolphy - Complete Prestige Recordings vs. Out To Lunch !!
Max Roach - Percussion Bitter Sweet
Ornette Coleman - Beauty Is A Rare Thing (or maybe Golden Circle)
Cecil Taylor - Complete Candid Recordings
John Coltrane - Vanguard? Atlantic? hell, I'm gonna cheat
again, unless they put out the Complete Impulse recordings
Miles Davis - This is getting ludicrous, I can barely, maybe, whittle
Miles alone down to 20 albums
Albert Ayler - Spiritual Unity/Prophecy/Vibrations/Hilversuum
Jackie McLean - Complete Blue Note recordings (doesn't exist)
Frank Zappa - Some Old Masters Box with Uncle Meat/Money/Weasels etc
I haven't even got the 1970s yet (apart from Miles), so there's no
point in continuing to list things like
David Murray - Live At Sweet Basil (or maybe Deep River)
Charles Brackeen - Worshippers Come Nigh
Dave Holland, Paul Motian, aw hell, I give up ... consider me whupped
Sean
John Coltrane - Interstellar Space
Albert Ayler - Spiritual Unity
Charles Mingus - Presents Mingus
Miles Davis - Filles de Kilimanjaro
Capt. Beefheart - Clear Spot
Charlie Parker - Dean Benedetti Recordings
Thelonious Monk - Complete Prestige Records (don't exist, but should)
Frank Zappa - We're Only In It For The Money
Dave Holland - Seeds Of Time
Clifford Brown/Max Roach Quintet - Study In Brown
Ornette Coleman - This Is Our Music
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 98 09:07:57 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Re[2]: 20 essential records
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: 20 essential records
Author: Dan Given <dlgiven@julian.uwo.ca> at SMTP-for-MSSM
Date: 4/2/98 7:00 AM
>Tough question, but I'll take a shot. This is one from a different room
>than (most of) my albums are in, so I'm sure as soon as I send this and
>leave the room, I will see something on the shelf that should have been
>included.
>Not in any order
Excellent list, Dan! Next to mine, the best one I've seen here! ;^)
Some comments and questions:
>Peter Brotzmann Die Like a Dog (FMP)
>Anthony Braxton Seven Comp's (Trio) 1989 (HatArt)
>Joe McPhee Oleo and A Future Retrospective (HatArt)
All three are great; nice to see Joe make someone's list and I'd agree
this is his best recorded work.
>Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus (Candid)
>Evan Parker 50th Birthday Concert (Leo)
>Willem Breuker Bob's Gallery (BVHaast)
Two of Breuker's almost made my list: 'Dreibergen-Zeist'
and 'In Holland'. A wonderful band. I'm curious why you
chose 'Bob's Gallery' out of all their stuff--big Larson
fan?
>Mats Gustaffson Parrot Fish Eye (OKKA)
Could someone provide a brief review of this? I've almost
picked it up on several occasions.
>London Jazz Composers Orchestra Theoria (Intakt)
Another that almost made my list; best record of the
1990's.
>Cecil Taylor For Olim (Soul Note)
>AMM The Nameless Uncarved Block
>(Matchless) Derek Bailey Improvisatione (Cramps)
>Jimmy Guiffre Free Fall
>(Columbia) Ganelin Trio Poca a Poco
>(Leo) Duke Ellington Blanton-Webster Years
>(Columbia) Anthony Braxton Creative Orchestra Koln
Agreed. Even better than the original Arista release.
> (HatArt)
>John Coltrane The Major Works of (Impulse)
>Ornette Coleman Change of the Century (Atlantic)
>George Lewis Homage to Charles Parker (Black Saint)
Warms my heart that someone else included this one. What a beautiful
album!
>Spontaneous Music Ensemble Karyobin (Chronoscope)
>Steve Lacy Weal and Woe (Emanem)
Some details on this Lacy please; it doesn't ring a bell. I trust
his distaff side isn't present here?
Brian Olewnick
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:23:46 -0500
From: "A. David Gross" <bliss@IDT.NET>
Subject: SKIF2
Bliss Records
36 Plaza Street East Brooklyn, NY 11238
(212) 330-0688 www.skifnyc.com
For Immediate Release: Contact: Katie Down
(212) 330-0688
SKIF2
(The Second Annual Sergey Kuryokhin International Festival)
New, avant-garde and experimental music - May 6 through 10, 1998
From May 6th through the 10th, 1998, Bliss Records in association with
The Russian-American Cultural Forum are pleased to announce
The Second Annual Sergey Kuryokhin International Festival (SKIF2),
celebrating the life and work of the innovative Russian
pianist/composer/actor Sergey Kuryokhin (1954 - 1996).
In January, 1997, cellist and composer Boris Rayskin organized the 11-day
Sergey Kuryokhin International Interdisciplinary Festival (SKIIFestival) in
New York City dedicated to the memory of Sergey Kuryokhin.
Tragically, Boris's life ended soon after the festival. SKIF2 is dedicated
in his memory.
SKIF2 will once again bring together many artists with whom Kuryokhin
collaborated, as well those close to his creative spirit, to perform in this
eclectic musical celebration. The festival will showcase the most cutting
edge avant-garde, jazz, and experimental rock musicians from Russia, the
United States and Europe including:
"Silver Apples", "Tequila Jazz", "Kolibri", Rashied Ali, Marilyn Crispell,
"Tri-O", Vladimir Tarasov, Sakari Luoma, Yudanov and Katz, David Soldier,
"White Out", Borah Bergman, Cyro Baptista, "Vershki da Koreshki", "The
Slackers", Volkov-Trio, Spectre and Sensational, Ned Rothenberg, Anatole
Gerasimov, Aleksey Khvostenko, William Hooker, DJ-Olive + WE, Peter Brotzman
and special guest artist Chico Freeman and many more.
Daniel Rayskin, Boris's Brother will perform a special piece dedicated to
his late brother.
"SKIF2", will be held at the best venues of New York City: THE COOLER, CAMI
HALL, MERKIN HALL, and the ELBOW ROOM. The festival will be an opportunity
for further collaboration between Russian, European and American performers
who will share their music with New York audiences.
SKIF2 is produced by Bliss Records in Association with The Russian-American
Cultural Forum. Artistic Direction for the festival is provided by Seva
Gakkel, chairman of the Board of The Sergey Kuryokhin Foundation, St.
Petersburg, Russia, and Anatole Gerasimov.
For more information call the SKIF HOTLINE at (212) 330-0688
or check out the web site at www.skifnyc.com
PEace & lOve
David Gross
Bliss Records
http://www.skifnyc.com
- -
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:36:00 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Hanatarash (was top 20)
>>>>> "flamerik" == flamerik <flamerik@best.ms.philips.com> writes:
flamerik> I tend to put on
flamerik> Hanatarash "4" when someone who thinks so is around my
flamerik> house..
This showed up on another list as well. Could someone please provide
a better review than what's at Forced Exposure?
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:48:24 -0500
From: Pierre Toussaint <m223024@er.uqam.ca>
Subject: re: top 20
I didn't want to participate to this. But it was eating me up. Here it
is, in no particular order. Well, in fact, it reflects the order in wich
they are (somewhat) classified...
Miles Davis-Kind of Blue (columbia) essential for eating...
les Granules-Aux royaume du silencieux "in the kingdom of the silence"
(ambiances magnetiques)
Rene Lussier-Le tresor de la langue "the treaure of language" (ambiances
magnetiques) if you understand french, this is a must have
Frank Zappa-the Grand Wazoo (ryko)
the Young gods-Music of Kurt Weill (play it again sam) this band is
great
Sonic Youth-Daydream nation (geffen)
Tom Waits-Frank's wild years (island) some zorn friends on this one
Leonard Cohen-Songs of... (columbia) not only for rany days
Boris Vian-Chansons possibles et impossible "Possible ans impossible
songs" (philips) Funny...
Daniel Belanger-Quatre saisons dans le desordre "The disorder of the
seasons" (audiogram)
Richard Desjardins-Les derniers humains "The last humans" (fukinic)
Michel Faubert-Careme et Mardi-Gras "Lent and Shrove tuesday
(milles-pattes) Essential if you like folklore in a avant-garde rock
setting
Naked City-Radio (avant) Eh, have you heard of this band before???
John Zorn-Bar Kokhba (tzadik)
Philip Glass-Einstein on the beach (cbs)
Philip Glass-Koyaanisqatsi "world out of balance" (island)
Philip Glass-Music for the screens (point) Essential, not that glassy
compared to the other two
Kurt Weil-Speak low /with Anne Sofie von Otter (dgg)
Steve Reich-the Desert music (nonesuch) (only because I had to choose)
Bach-cello suites /with V. Rostropovich (emi)
most anything by Erik Satie, Stravinsky, Edgar Varese, Meredith Monk and
John Coltrane.
It was fun, but I don't have enough CD's to really give a list of
stranded island records...
- -
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 98 11:48:33 -0300
From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar
Subject: TOP 21
In no particular order
ASTOR PIAZZOLLA SEXTETO "Tango, Nuevo Tango"
JONI MITCHELL "Night Ride Home"
JOHN SCOFIELD "Grace Under Pressure"
MISHA MENGELBERG "Who's Bridge"
BAR KOKHBA "Masada Chamber Ensembles"
ASTOR PIAZZOLLA "Tango Maestro"
MILES DAVIS "Live in Montreux"
LUIS ALBERTO SPINETTA "Estrelicia"
WAYNE HORVITZ- THE PRESIDENT "Miracle Mile"
NAKED CITY "Naked City"
ZORN, LEWIS & FRISELL "News for Lulu"
ZORN, LEWIS & Frisell "More News for Lulu"
DINO SALUZZI, ANTHONY COX & DAVID FRIEDMAN "Rios"
LUIS ALBERTO SPINETTA "Peluson of Milk"
EGBERTO GISMONTI GROUP "Mzsica de Sobrevivencia"
JOHN ZORN MASADA "Live"
DAVID SYLVIAN "Live in Theatre 1988"
SALIF KEITA "Folon"... The Past
LIQUID SOUL "Liquid Soul"
KAMIKAZE GROUND CREW "The Scenic Route"
BILL FRISELL "Quartet"
- -Hugo, from Argentina
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 06:35:10 -0800
From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: top 20 so far
Okay...the esteemed Dr, Wilkie is in....anyone else...we need a quorum...
I'm thinking about volunteering to do a group Top 20 analysis...it might
take a while...can anyone do it quickly...
I do such a compilation every year from THE WIRE, CADENCE, CODA, and OPTION.
Well, I didn't do it this year, or I would've posted the results.
Still waiting for a list from Schwitterz....you out there dude?
Keith
- -
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:58:09 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: top 20 so far
On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Keith McMullen wrote:
> Okay...the esteemed Dr, Wilkie is in....anyone else...we need a quorum...
>
> I'm thinking about volunteering to do a group Top 20 analysis...it might
> take a while...can anyone do it quickly...
It might be worth doing it by artist, as well as by album. I notice that a
lot of artists appear frequently (Miles, Ornette, Braxton, Zorn, etc) but
with little overlap on which album of theirs is chosen.
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||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:01:32 -0600
From: Rusty Crump <dmcrump@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
Subject: Top 23
How about a top 23 instead?
1. The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society
(Something Else may have RD's greatest single song, "Waterloo Sunset," but
this is the better album.)
2. Yo La Tengo - Fakebook
(By a nose over Painful and I Can Hear the Heart Beating As One)
3. various - Macro Dub Infection, Volume I
4. Richard & Linda Thompson - I Want To See the Bright Lights Tonight
(Don't listen to this one with the lights off, or with any razor blades
around.)
5. Ornette Coleman - Beauty Is a Rare Thing
(This was a top-20 RELEASES, right? Or if it wasn't, it is now. Box sets
are go!)
6. The Roches - The Roches
(Produced by Robert Fripp. One of the most indescribably beautiful albums
on the planet.)
7. The Compulsive Gamblers - Gambling Days Are Over
(A short-lived Memphis group-- out of their ashes rose The Oblivians, but I
prefer the Gamblers, thanks. Twisted rock and roll and soul and punk and
booze, booze, booze. Dedicated to the notion that actually having a good
time is about as likely as "finding a shiny silver dollar in a hot batch of
dog shit." --per the liner notes. This is on Sympathy for the Record
Industry, if it's still in print.)
8. Lambchop - How I Quit Smoking
A psychotic episode as it might have been orchestrated and conducted by
Nashville's great Billy Sherrill.)
9. Stereolab - Dots and Loops
(Over their others because of the heavy John McEntire contributions.)
10. Big Star - #1 Record/Radio City
(Essential pop document. Listen to this and you won't need any post-1965
Beatles. I don't know about the Ryko version, but the sound on my copy, a
German import on Line Records, is crystalline.)
11. Aphex Twin - The Richard D. James Album
12. Eno - Another Green World
13. Frank Zappa - Uncle Meat
14. Frank Zappa - You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore, volume 2
(A full 1974 live show from Helsinki, by my favorite of FZ's bands --
George Duke, Napoleon Murphy Brock, Chester Thompson, Ruth Underwood, Tom
Fowler, FZ. Both this and Uncle Meat sum up a very large amount of what FZ
was about, but there are a dozen others of his that could make this list.)
15. Masada - 4.
(For "Hobah" and no other reason.)
16. Naked City
17. The Essential Al Green
(A British best-of on Demon/Hi. Al Green's voice makes me want to drop
everything and have sex with the first person I see -- very embarrassing at
times.)
18. Elvis Costello - Get Happy!!
(Barely edging Armed Forces, Trust and Blood & Chocolate.)
19. Miles - In a Silent Way
20. Howlin' Wolf - His Greatest Sides, vol. 1
(A long-deleted vinyl compilation from back when Sugar Hill owned Chess.
This gets the nod because it has "Down in the Bottom.")
21. Omnibus Wind Ensemble - Music by Frank Zappa
(On OPUS3 Records. This really showcases FZ the composer, minus the
distractions of the rubber giraffe filled with brown ale and shaving cream.)
22. Neil Young - Tonight's the Night
23. Doo Rag - What We Do
(I think they created a new style -- cracker thrash.)
Bjoern, you kooky human, thanks for the kickstart. This was fun, and readin
the other lists has been a blast as well.
Rusty Crump
Oxford, Mississippi
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:15:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender (fwd)
i revised mine too...
albert ayler _spiritual unity_
derek bailey _aida_
brian eno _another green world_
ben webster & coleman hawkins double lp on verve
the fall _hex enduction hour_
roscoe mitchell art ensemble _congliptious_
slint _spiderland_
john coltrane _impressions_
ornette coleman _beauty is a rare thing_ box
this heat _deceipt_
john zorn _spy vs. spy_
the minutemen _what makes a man start fires?_
anthology of american folk music ed. harry smith
congos _heart of the congos_
black flag _first 4 years_
son house _death letter_
edgar varese _music of edgar varese_
charles mingus _mingus, mingus, mingus, mingus, mingus_
tom waits _swordfishtrombones_
sonic youth _daydream nation_
b
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:16:41 -0500
From: "Chris Barrett" <cbarrett@neaq.org>
Subject: 20
Wow, this is tough. I dunno where to begin, but I'm not near my collection
right now so I'll give it a shot:
Jawbox - Jawbox
Curtis Mayfield - Superfly
Stevie Wonder - Innervisions
King Crimson - Red
Miles - Kind of Blue
Masada - Heit (or One if that's not one)
Pigpen - V as in Victim
Prince - Emancipation
Sonny Sharrock - Ask the Ages
Todd Rundgren - Something/Anything
Naked City - Radio
Helmet - Betty
24-7 Spyz - 6
Louis And Ella - Together Again
Oliver Nelson - Blues and the Abstract Truth
Steely Dan - Aja
King Crimson - Beat
Tom Waits - Swordfishtrombones
Tom Waits - Frank's Wild Years
Radiohead - OK Computer
of course, ten minutes from now this could change....
- -Chris
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