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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #288
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, April 2 1998 Volume 02 : Number 288
In this issue:
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Re: masada on sale
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #287
Re: top 20
Re: 20 Essentials
twenty
Re: Screwgun
top 20
Re: 20 essential records
Twenty-something
Top 20, er, 22
Re: MY top 20 albums
Top 20
Re: top 20
Re: Fire label query
Re: twenty
Top 20
Re: Top 20
20 something...
Top 20
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 12:18:37 +1000
From: Peter Hollo <raven@cia.com.au>
Subject: Re: masada on sale
I suspect that the Masada on Jazz Door isn't part of the series, but is
a CD of a live performance they did in I think 1994. Recently I was
listening to some Zorn in Red Eye Records (a superb Sydney records
store) and had a listen to this one. It has a lot of great tracks from
the first 3 Masadas, often in quite long versions, but I thought first I
should get those Masadas 1-3. I'll agree with those other people who
said get Masada 1-3 first. Definitely. But they're all excellent.
I still think Bar Kokhba's even better, but perhaps it's because I'm a
string player, or perhaps because, whilst I think the playing is superb
on the Masadas, free jazz still leaves me a bit cold, whereas the Masada
String Trio is just so totally lush and, oooh what can you say?!
By the way, I'm told by a guy at Red Eye (one third of Phlegm, who is
soon to record & release an album for Tzadik along with another member
of Phlegm, but not *as* Phlegm) that the release of Circle Maker for
outside of the USA was delayed because of problems with the printing of
the covers - something to do with printing black on black and a couple
of spelling mistakes and generally John Z's stubbornness. So
consequently I haven't been able to pick up Circle Maker yet (later this
week)... Is this true, anybody?
Peter.
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Peter Hollo raven@cia.com.au http://www.cia.com.au/raven/
FourPlay - Eclectic Electric String Quartet
http://www.cia.com.au/raven/fourplay.html
"Of course, dance music can be a music where you lie on your back and
your brain cells dance" -Michael Karoli of Can, quoted in Wire mag.
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 20:26:40 -0600
From: Landon Thorpe <landocal@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #287
At 06:27 PM 4/1/98 -0700, you wrote:
>5. Don Caballero - II
Boy am I glad to see this pop up on a top 20 list! It would definitely be
on my top 20 list, too (forthcoming, hopefully). Does anyone else feel
strongly about this band and esp. this album? I think Don Caballero has a
lot to say about composition and group improvisation and blurring the line
between the two. Some passages seem like they must be improvised, but the
group performance is so tight that I wonder if they are. Can anyone shed
any light on this? I suppose that Storm & Stress, DC guitarist Ian T.
Williams' other band, might stand as an answer. Their music sounds like the
result one would get when applying the ideas of free improv to an electric
guitar/electric bass/drums lineup. That is, if their songs weren't each
thoroughly composed. Kinda weird.
I know that the above has little to do with Zorn--sorry. But does anyone
else have anything to say about these bands? Any comments on Damon Che's
"lead drumming?"
Landon Thorpe
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:15:29 +1000 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <s9606487@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: top 20
In no particular order, right as of this moment (and that I can
remember)...
1. SPK "Information Overload Unit"
2. Elmer Bernstein "The Man With The Golden Arm" OST
3. Buddy Morrow "Poe For Moderns"
4. Esquivel "Exploring New Sounds In Hi-Fi"
5. Rudimentary Peni "Cacophony"
6. Lubricated Goat "Play The Devil's Music"
7. Harpo Marx "In Hi-Fi"
8. DNA "A Taste Of"
9. Orchestra Of Skin and Bone s/t
10. Naked City "Torture Garden"
11. DJ Carhouse and MC Hellshit "Live!"
12. John Zorn "Filmworks 1986-1990"
13. Ground Zero s/t
14. Sun Ra "The Magic City"
15. Jazz Composer's Orchestra "Communications"
16. Ornette Coleman "The Shape Of Jazz To Come"
17. Erik Satie "Gymnopedies/Gnossienes/Parade"
18. Raymond Scott "Moonlit Nights and Turkish Twilights"
19. Flux of Pink Indians "Uncarved Block"
20. Runzelstirn and Gurgelstock "Mama/Das Fest"
21. John Cage "Fontana Mix/Aria"
22. Perrey/Kingsley "The In Sound From Way Out"
That's more than 20, and still seems to unjustly neglect lots of my
favorite musicians. I dunno: these best-of lists are maybe a bootless
thing?
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 23:42:57 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: 20 Essentials
Here's a list done of da toppa my head, intentionally not looking at
my collection. If I were to do it an hour from now, there might not be
much overlap.
Karlheinz Stockhausen: Stimmung
John Cage: Roaratorio
Morton Feldman: Rothko Chapel / For Frank O'Hara (original Odyssey
recording)
Miles Davis: Pangaea
Ornette Coleman/Charlie Haden: Soapsuds, Soapsuds
Brian Eno: Music for Airports
David Bowie: Heroes
Stevie Wonder: The Secret Life of Plants
Happy Rhodes: Rhodesongs
Deep Listening Band: The Ready Made Boomerang
Jennifer Warnes: Famous Blue Raincoat
David Sylvian/Robert Fripp: Damage
Public Image Limited: Second Edition
Lisa Gerrard: The Mirror Pool
David Hykes and the Harmonic Choir: Hearing Solar Winds
Meredith Monk: Book of Days
October Project: October Project
Peter Gabriel: Secret World Live
Kate Bush: The Whole Story
Laurie Anderson: Mr. Heartbreak
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|||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \|||
||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
|/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \|
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 13:22:26 +0000
From: Yin Pin <yinpin@pop6.jaring.my>
Subject: twenty
zoviet france _monhomische_
dead c _harsh 70s reality_
peter brotzmann sextet/quartet _nipples_
blauer hirsch _cyberpunk_
derek bailey _music & dance with min tanaka_
pharoah sanders _tauhid_
last exit _the noise of trouble_
richard grossman _one..two..three..four..._
hanatarash _5 : We Are 0:00_
thela _argentina_
davy graham _folk routes, new routes_
squarepusher _hard normal daddy_
kluster _klopfzeichen_
john cage _roaratorio_
coffee _artifact/artifact shadow_
charalambides _union_
amm _laminal_
marilyn crispell _labyrinths_
dietrich/sauter/moore _barefoot in the head_
amid the mimic _jugular polar wars_
huseyin ertunc trio _musiki_
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 00:32:00 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Screwgun
Tim's that sarcastic.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:40:06 EST
From: QUESOMALO <QUESOMALO@aol.com>
Subject: top 20
I'm glad to see that many of my faves have been mentioned, even those that
aren't so Zorny.
Has the order any significance? Nope.
1-Bill Frisell "Have A Little Faith"/ "Buster Keaton discs"
2-Yo La Tengo "Painful"
3-David Murray Octet "New Life"
4-Massacre "Killing Time"
5-Steve Coleman "the Way of the Cipher"/ "Rhythm People"
6-Zappa/Mothers "Absolutely Free"
7-Soth Indian Instrumental Ensemble "Vadya Lahari"
8-Arto Lindsay "Mundo Civilizado"
9-Xenakis "Electro-Acoustic Music"
10- Zorn "Spy vs. Spy"/ "Cobra: Tokyo Operations"/ "Bar Kohkba"
11- Minutemen "Post Mersh 1 (The Punchline & What Makes a Man Start Fires?)"
12-Braxton "Wilisau"
13-Ornette Coleman "the Empty Foxhole"
14-Spacemen 3 "the Perfect prescription"
15-Monk "the Composer"
16- Coltrane "Live in Seattle"
17- John Cage/ David Tudor "Indeterminacy"
18- Art Ensemble "Third Decade"
19- Jon Spencer Blues Explosion "Orange"
20- David Torn "What Means Solid Traveller?"
also couldn't do w/out albums by: Johnny Cash, A.C. Jobim, Prokofiev,
Stravinsky, Otis Redding, Prince, Kurt Weill, Manitas de Platas, Tim Berne,
Sonny Sharrock, Django Reinhardt, and Hendrix.
-Nick
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 00:07:01 +0100
From: Dan Given <dlgiven@julian.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: 20 essential records
Tough question, but I'll take a shot. This is one from a different room
than (most of) my albums are in, so I'm sure as soon as I send this and
leave the room, I will see something on the shelf that should have been
included.
Not in any order
Peter Brotzmann Die Like a Dog (FMP)
Anthony Braxton Seven Comp's (Trio) 1989 (HatArt)
Joe McPhee Oleo and A Future Retrospective (HatArt)
Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus (Candid)
Evan Parker 50th Birthday Concert (Leo)
Willem Breuker Bob's Gallery (BVHaast)
Mats Gustaffson Parrot Fish Eye (OKKA)
London Jazz Composers Orchestra Theoria (Intakt)
Cecil Taylor For Olim (Soul Note)
AMM The Nameless Uncarved Block (Matchless)
Derek Bailey Improvisatione (Cramps)
Jimmy Guiffre Free Fall (Columbia)
Ganelin Trio Poca a Poco (Leo)
Duke Ellington Blanton-Webster Years (Columbia)
Anthony Braxton Creative Orchestra Koln (HatArt)
John Coltrane The Major Works of (Impulse)
Ornette Coleman Change of the Century (Atlantic)
George Lewis Homage to Charles Parker (Black Saint)
Spontaneous Music Ensemble Karyobin (Chronoscope)
Steve Lacy Weal and Woe (Emanem)
Is it cheating to have 3 doubles and one 3 disc set? That was so hard I
hope I never have to actually choose.
Dan
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:47:53 -0800
From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Twenty-something
More...more...don't stop now...
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 00:17:44 -0600
From: Landon Thorpe <landocal@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Top 20, er, 22
In no particular order:
Don Caballero--Don Caballero 2
Fugazi--In on the Kill Taker, Red Medicine
Gastr Del Sol--Upgrade and Afterlife
Helmet--Strap It On
Jim O'Rourke--Bad Timing
Rodan--Rusty
John Coltrane--My Favorite Things, A Love Supreme, Ascension (either ed.)
Miles Davis--Kind of Blue, A Tribute to Jack Johnson
Eric Dolphy--Out to Lunch
Bill Frisell--Where in the World?
John McLaughlin--Extrapolation
Thelonius Monk--Brilliant Corners
Sonny Sharrock--Ask the Ages
John Zorn--Spillane
J.S. Bach--Brandenburg Concertos (Philip Pickett w/New London Consort)
Mahler--Symphony No. 5 (Barbirolli)
Tortoise--TNT (a little too early to tell, but it's making a fantastic
impression)
Godflesh--Streetcleaner
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:55:25 +0200
From: flamerik@best.ms.philips.com
Subject: Re: MY top 20 albums
PETSITTER wrote:
>> On the other hand, thank you for choosing Disco Volante over the
> self-titled album. I get discouraged when people speak poorly over DiscoV.
I know scores of people who like the debut album far better than DV. In my
opinion, DV is about a lightyear better than the debut, and I guarantee you
that the debut would be in my top 20 if it weren't for DV. But really, a LOT
of people think the debut album is crazy in a good way, but DV is utter crap.
I tend to put on Hanatarash "4" when someone who thinks so is around my house..
And it was nice to see a couple of people mention Peter Thomas. Plus, some
people's lists read like my wish list, scary...
Frankco.
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:30:11
From: "Doug McKay" <mckay003@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Top 20
You guys know WAY too much about music. Most of these musicans I've never
even heard of! Hell, my top 20 would include such staples of my youth as
BLACK SABBATH vol. 4 !!! And Pantera's VULGAR DISPLAY OF POWER.
But then Alyer and Dolphy would get on the list too, so I don't feel too
bad.
Doug McKay
In Minnesota
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:13:45 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: top 20
On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, QUESOMALO wrote:
> 14-Spacemen 3 "the Perfect prescription"
just curious why this record
over "Dreamweapon", featuring
the ULTIMATE from the sonic
pharmacy, 'an evening of
contemporary sitar music'?
COUGH
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:34:55 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: Fire label query
On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Patrick Carey wrote:
> >Does anything know anything about an Icelandic label called Fire?
>
> The label is called Fire Inc., and I don't know much. They're new.
not really.
Fire has been around in one way or
another since 1993. their first
release was a CD compilation
titled "F.I.R.E." and included
tracks by various notable Icelandic
bands such as Curver, Bellatrix
(aka Purkur Pyllnck, excuse the
spelling, but they changed their
name to Bellatrix), Pff and
Stilluppsteypa. in fact, the label
is run by those fun-loving
Icelandic boys also known as
Stilluppsteypa. to date, Fire
has released a handful of records:
f-1 F.I.R.E. Various Artists compact disc
f-2 STILLUPPSTEYPA + CURVER Inside AM 7 inch
f-3 PLASTIK Hrna cassette
f-6 HAFLER TRIO The day I married the world 7 inch
f-7 IRR.APP.(EXT.) An uncertain animal, ruptured... compact disc (just released)
f-8 STILLUPPSTEYPA One side mona lisa... compact disc
f-9 REPTILICUS Craters 7 inch
f-10 HAFLER TRIO Whistling about chickens compact disc (sold out, but not yet released)
f-11 STOCK, HAUSEN & WALKMAN Empty box 10 inch
f-13 STILLUPPSTEYPA & IRR.APP.(EXT.) Tpith or tetapth compact disc
f-14 CM VON HAUSSWOLFF To make things happen... compact disc
f-15 STILLUPPSTEYPA Reduce by reducing 12 inch/compact disc (not yet released)
there is an excellent interview
with Stilluppsteypa in the most
recent Bananafish magazine. the next
issue will have an interview with
irr.app.(ext.).
Fire has a website:
http://www.isholf.is/fire/
> >Apparently they were planning to release some 10" records by
> >Jim O'Rourke, nd Stock, Hausen and Walkman.
>
> The O'Rourke record has been out since Feb. or so ... It's called
> "Please Note Our Failure" and it's a plunderphonics sorta thing.
this is actually released by
Something Records (same folks
who put out the Stilluppsteypa
and Melt Banana split 10" from
a few years ago) and is
distributed by Fire, but is
not a Fire release.
> Not sure about the SH & W record ...
probably the "Empty Box" 10".
hope this helps.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:37:46 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: twenty
On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Yin Pin wrote:
> thela _argentina_
how does this compare to the
first Thela release, also
on Ecstatic Peace?
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 02:12:33
From: "Doug McKay" <mckay003@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Top 20
Alright. I went through the CDs I've got. Not "records". Not anything I
don't own on CD. Here's what I came up with. It's a little meaningless
unless you know what I'm selecting FROM, but here it is:
No Ranking.
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yo-Yo Ma - Six Unaccompanied Cello Suites (2CDs)
Bela Bartok - Six String Quartets (2CDs)
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John Zorn - Naked City
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Alan Jackson - Who I Am
Michael Martin Murphy - Cowboy Songs
Michael Martin Murphy - Cowboy Songs III
Hank Williams - 40 Greatest Hits (2CDs)
Johnny Cash - American Recordings
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Frank Zappa - Shut Up and Play Yer Guitar (3CDs)
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Black Sabbath - Vol 4
Pantera - Vulgar Display of Power
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Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch
Albert Ayler - Spiritual Unity
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The Baltimore Consort - On the Banks of Helicon: Early Music of Scotland
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Temple of the Dog (0R) Alice in Chains - Dirt
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Nothing esoteric. Guess I'm not an esoteric sort of guy.
Doug McKay
In Minnesota
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:50:07 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Laura Petersen <Laura@elite.dk>
Subject: Re: Top 20
My Top 20 (in no particular order)
John Zorn - News for Lulu
John Zorn - Naked City
Peter Brotzmann - Machine Gun
Charles Mingus - The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
Thelonious Monk - Brilliant Corners
Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch
Charlie Parker - The Dial Masters
John Coltrane - A Love Supreme
John Coltrane - Giant Steps
Sonny Clark - Cool Struttin'
Dexter Gordon - Our Man in Paris
Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
Johnny Griffin - A Blowing Session
Howlin' Wolf - London Sessions
Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
Cypress Hill - Black Sunday
Curtis Mayfield - Superfly
Funkadelic - One Nation under a Groove
Dr. John - Mos' Scocious: The Dr.John Anthology
P.S. Please, no mocking. I know my taste is conventional ;)
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:11:39 -0800 (PST)
From: leon lee <llee15@ccsf.cc.ca.us>
Subject: 20 something...
off the top of my head:
julius hemphill - raw material and residuals
ornette coleman - beauty is a rare thing <-rules are meant to be broken
nels cline trio - ground
vinny golia - slice of life
mingus - town hall concert w/ praying for eric
robert dick - the other flute (just for his version of gazzelloni)
john coltrane - interstellar space (if i had to pick one)
anthony braxton - alto saxophone improvisations series f (or any solo)
sun ra - dancing shadows
world saxophone quartet - live in zurich
nick drake - pink moon
the coctails - lp
stereolab - emperor tomato ketchup
javanese court gamelan (folkways)
hugh mundell - africa must be free by 1983 (inclusive of dub album)
scientist - rids the world of the evils of vampires (i don't remember
exactly the title)
material - hallucination engine
acid jazz vol 1-3 (yeah yeah i'm cheating) on beat goes public
portishead - dummy
dr. octagon - dr octagon
aphex twin - saw II
defunkt - thermonuclear sweat
...enough already. and this is without looking what i would have to part
with.
leon
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Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 17:42:30 +0800
From: Jan-Wen Lu <janwenlu@top2.ficnet.net.tw>
Subject: Top 20
This is my top 20 list. In no particular order.
*Makigami Koichi-Koroshi no Blues (Toshiba-EMI)
*Machine for Making Sense-On Second Thoughts (O.O. Disc/Tall Poppies)
*Naked City-Torture Garden (Toy's Factory/Shimmy Disc)
*Ground Zero-s/t (God Mountain)
*Hanatarash-4 (Public Bath)
*Boredoms-Super Roots (Warner Bros.)
*MC Hellshit/DJ Carhouse-Live! (Blast First)
*Frank Schulte-Switchbox (No Man's Land)
*Catherine Jauniaux/Ikue Mori-Vibraslaps (RecRec)
*Bob Ostertag-Say No More (RecRec)
*Martin Tetreault-Des Pas et Des Mois (Ambiances Magnetiques)
*Carl Stone/Otomo Yoshihide-Monogatari (Trigram)
*Hoppy Kamiyama Visual Works 2-Nympho Has Some Great Elements (God
Ocean)
*Jon Rose-Violin Music in the Age of Shopping (Intakt)
*ESP-Extra Sensory Perception (SubConscious)
*Christian Marclay/Gunter Muller-Live Improvisations (For 4 Ears)
*Butch Morris-Current Trends in Racism in Modern America (Sound Aspects)
*Omoide Hatoba-Kinsei (Birdman)
*John Zorn-The Classic Guide to Strategy (Tzadik)
*Trevor Wishart-Red Bird/Anticredos (October)
Jan-Wen Lu
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