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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #287
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, April 1 1998 Volume 02 : Number 287
In this issue:
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Re: masada on sale
Re: 20 great albums
MY top 20 albums
Re: 20 essential records
Re: 20 essential records
Re: stockhausen
20 greats
Re[2]: 20 essential records
Re: CAKE (was 20 before)
top 20
Re: 20
Arthur Jones
Re: 20
Top 20
20 Essentials
Re: 20
Re: 20 essential records
20
Re: 20 Essentials
Re: 20
Re: Turkish music
Re: MY top 20 albums
Screwgun
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 14:18:51 -0300
From: "A.Bueno" <jabu@sminter.com.ar>
Subject: Re: masada on sale
Petsitter wrote:
> >CD Universe has all "Masada" on sale for $15.97. is it
> >considered to be a good price? if i don`t have any of "masada", except the
> >one that was released on "jazz door", and i can buy only 2-3 CDs which one
> >should i pick up?
>
> That is a good price, at least from what I have seen. Even Cadence sells
> them for $18.
> What Masada CD was released on jazz door, I am unfamiliar?
> I would first purchase Masada 1-3.>
Downtown music gallery in NYC has the same price for the Masada`s($16).
A.Bueno
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:00:59 -0600
From: John Howard <Howard@3DI.com>
Subject: Re: 20 great albums
Today's list:
Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue
John Coltrane - Meditations
Tim Berne - Diminutive Mysteries
Plug - Drum and Bass for Papa
Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation Of Millions
The Fall - Complete Recordings boxset (on Myimagination Records)
Stravinsky conducts The Firebird, Petrushka, The Rite Of Spring
Long Fin Killie - Houdini
Can - Tago Mago
Albert Ayler - Spiritual Unity
Ornette Coleman - Atlantic box
Spacemen 3 - Perfect Perscription (CD version)
Miles Davis - Dark Magus
Marvin Gaye - What's Goin On?
John Zorn - Bar Kokhba
Pram - Helium
Link Wray -Complete Swan Recordings
Cecil Taylor Unit
Gavin Bryars - Sinking Of the Titanic (Point version)
The Dead C - Harsh 70's Reality
Artists who didn't make the list just cause I couldn't pick an album:
Karlheinz Stockhausen
P-Funk
Derek Bailey
Charles Gayle
any 60's Garage-rock comp
George Crumb
Charles Ives
Brian Eno
Captain Beefheart
James Brown
The Wedding Present
John Cage
Oh man was this hard.
- -
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 12:59:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeff Gretz <KGGF@grove.iup.edu>
Subject: MY top 20 albums
in no particular order:
1. Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
2. Frank Zappa - Weasels Ripped My Flesh
3. John Coltrane - The Major Works Of John Coltrane
4. Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
5. Don Caballero - II
6. Burt Bacharach - Plays His Hits
7. Miles Davis - Bitches Brew
8. Naked City - Leng T'che
9. Melvins- Stone Witch
10. Faith No More - Album Of The Year
11. Boredoms - Onanie Bomb Versus The Sex Pistols
12. Deus - Worst Case Scenerio
13. Mr. Bungle - Disco Volante
14. Stravinsky - Leonard Berstein/Israel Philharmonic (Rite Of Spring)
15. Ennio Moriconne - A Fistful OF FIlm Music
16. Peter Gabriel - 3rd
17. Edgar Varese - Ionizations, Arcana, Density (not sure of the exact name)
18. Sonic Youth - Bad Moon Rising
19. Faxed Head - Uncomfortalbe But Free
20. Daniel Johnston - Yip/Jump Music
honorable mentions go to - Spy Vs. Spy, The Shaggs (Philosophy of the World)
and Half Japanese (1/2 Gentlemen, Not Beasts)
jeff
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 13:02:59 -0500
From: Jeff Schwartz <jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
Subject: Re: 20 essential records
no particular order to these-I left out box sets (that's
cheating!)
1. Beatles-Revolver
2. Zorn-Naked City
3. Stravinsky-The Rite of Spring
4. James Brown-Greatest Hits
5. Funkadelic-One Nation Under a Groove
6. Minutemen-Double Nickels on the Dime
7. David Bowie-Low
8. Roxy Music-Avalon
9. John Coltrane-A Love Supreme
10. Miles Davis-Kind of Blue
11. Miles Davis-Jack Johnson
12. Eric Dolphy-Out to Lunch
13. Anthony Braxton-Five Pieces 1975
14. Dave Holland-Conference of the Birds
15. Albert Ayler-Vibrations
16. Joe Pass-Virtuoso
17. Thelonious Monk-Genius of Modern Music
18. Charlie Parker-The Dial Masters
19. Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus
20. X-Los Angeles
- --
Jeff Schwartz
jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu
http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html
- -
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:02:15 -0800
From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: 20 essential records
Great to see Holland's CONFERENCE OF THE BIRDS on several lists. It came to
mind...as did many others.
More...more...
- -
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:05:47 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: stockhausen
At 9:15 PM 4/1/98, Julian wrote:
>A while back there was a bit of talk about a version of Stockhausen's
>"Kontakte" which included William Winant. Where is this recording
>available?
>
It's on Ecstatic Piece, recorded in 1978, not released until 1997, with
Winant and James Tenney on piano, from a live performance in Toronto.
________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/
"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
-Sun Ra
________________________________________________________
- -
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 13:38:52 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: 20 greats
Tim Berne - Sanctified Dreams
Iannis Xenakis - La Legende D'Eer
Richard "Groove" Holmes - Living Soul
Cecil Taylor (The Feel Trio) - Looking (Berlin Version)
Naked City - Torture Garden
Iannis Xenakis - Kraanerg
Elliott Sharp - Spring & Neap
Tom Waits - Rain Dogs
Charles Mingus - Blues & Roots and many others
Henryk Gorecki - String Quartets 1 & 2 (Kronos Quartet)
Curtis Mayfield - Curtis
Evan Parker - Process & Reality (on someone else's list as well!)
Steve Reich - Music For 18 Musicians
Anthony Braxton - Wilisau Quartet
Julius Hemphill - 'Coon Bid'ness
Iancu Dumitrescu - Medium III, etc... (on Edition Modern)
John Coltrane - Sun Ship
Derek Bailey - solo discs (can't pick one!)
etc, etc...
This list will undoubtedy change a whole bunch in the coming years.
Hell, I'll probably be trying to sell all of these here in a couple of
weeks! (:
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 98 13:59:19 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Re[2]: 20 essential records
A seminal record, IMHO. Picked it up around the time it was issued--my
first exposure to Mr. Braxton, as I recall; had I but known how much
he'd be depleting my wallet over the next 25 years...nah, he's been
more than worth it.
Listened to COTB recently and it holds up extremely well. Speaking as
a non-musician, Holland's themes strike me as wonderful springboards
towards inspired improv (they surface regularly in my whistling
regimen).
Brian Olewnick
--listening to...Carl Stone Nyala
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: 20 essential records
Author: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us> at SMTP-for-MSSM
Date: 4/1/98 10:02 AM
Great to see Holland's CONFERENCE OF THE BIRDS on several lists. It came to
mind...as did many others.
More...more...
- -
- -
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 13:53:24 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: CAKE (was 20 before)
> Didn't they have a "big hit single on the charts" a year or so ago? I
> remember someone recommending their disc but I kinda blew it off. Can
> anyone clue me in?
yeah. Their version of "I Will Survive" and "She's Going The Distance"
(I'm not sure of the real title but that's the repeated chorus line)
were around radio waves a lot about a year ago until the end of this
summer. I've heard the entire disc (the newest one) and think it's
altogether forgettable except for the "She's Going The Distance" (or
whatever) which completely rules.
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:31:21 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: top 20
Top 20 for today, in the order in which they came to me:
Naked City (first)
Bryars - Jesus Blood Never Failed Me Yet (Point)
Johnny Clegg - Heat, Dust & Dreams
John Oswald - Plexure
Arcana - Arc of the Testimony
Sheila Chandra - ABoneCroneDrone
Bach - Goldberg Variations (Charles Rosen)
King Crimson - Thrak
Beatles - White Album
Miles - Sketches of Spain
Stockhausen - Kontakte with instruments
(EC) Nudes - Vanishing Point
David Bowie - Outside
Deep Forest - Boheme
Plus From Us (RealWorld)
Gipsy Kings - Este Mundo
Henry Threadgill - Makin a Move
Chiky(u)u (Ash International)
Torn, Karn, Bozzio - Polytown
Xenakis - Legende d'Eer
Hmm, not much jazz on there... We'll have to try this again sometime.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 14:38:07 -0600
From: JRZ <zube@winternet.com>
Subject: Re: 20
hmmm, this is hard, ya need an album for every occasion.
Captain Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica
Hampton Grease Band - Music to Eat
Beatles - Rubber Soul
Husker Du - Zen Arcade
Overkill - Taking Over
Uncle Tupelo - No Depression
Grateful Dead - American Beauty
Merle Haggard - Mama Tried
Funkadelic - Maggot Brain
Pimps, Players and Private Eyes
Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
John Coltrane - Meditations
John Coltrane - Complete Village Vanguard Recordings (disc 1 if I had to
choose)
Miles Davis - Miles Smiles
Tony Williams Lifetime - Emergency
Rahsaan Roland Kirk - Rip Rig and Panic
Masada - (not sure which one, VIII?)
Painkiller - Execution Ground (the whole box set if I could)
Medeski, Martin and Wood - Friday Afternoon in the Universe
Happy Apple - Blown Shockwaves and Crashflow (it's recent but it just keeps
growing on me)
honorable mention: Some gawdawful Miami Bass disc in case I really want to
annoy people, provided I get to keep a nice system.
zube
http://www.winternet.com/~zube/index.htm
If anyone objects to any statement I make. I am not only prepared to
retract the statement, but to deny under oath that I ever made it - Tom Lehrer
- -
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:55:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Arthur Jones
For Chris Hamilton and others who asked:
Arthur Jones was a Cleveland-born alto saxophonist who recorded with
among others, Sunny Murray, Burton Greene, Dave Burrell, Braxton, Archie
Shepp, Alan Silva and Frank Wright.
IMHO his best work comes on fellow-Clevelander Frank Wright's "Your
Prayer" on ESP Disk, a seminal free jazz/blues session.
More saxophones and fewer guitars would make the world a better place
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
- -
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 15:34:53 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: 20
JRZ wrote:
>
> Uncle Tupelo - No Depression
mmm... Great album. I think I'll bring it along with me as well. I got
this disc when I was 13 and it's one of the very few discs from that
time I've stuck with. I didn't like many other Tupelo albums aside from
this one and their projects since breaking up have been really weak
(Wilco and Son Volt).
> Medeski, Martin and Wood - Friday Afternoon in the Universe
I can't believe I forgot to include this one! And I now realize I didn't
put any Esquivel on my list...
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:26:51 -0800 (PST)
From: "Cappy D'Angelo" <cappyd@UVic.CA>
Subject: Top 20
I'm still working on mine, but I hope someone's compiling a "zorn-list
most mentioned top 20 albums" !
Cappy D'Angelo
Student at Law - Intellectual Property
Dabbler in Recording - Sonic Solutions Digital Editing and Mastering
Twanger of Guitar & Blower of Eb Horns of Alto & Bari Persuasion
Victoria, B.C., CANADA
- -
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 17:05:52 -0500
From: Zachary <zachary@netwalk.com>
Subject: 20 Essentials
These are my favorites, most have been for a long time. Lots of
pop/standard "alternative" rock, but hey, that's what I listen to. Sue me.
Listed alphabetically:
Big Black _Songs About Fucking_
Cabaret Voltaire _Micro-Phonies_
Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds _Tender Prey_
Cocteau Twins _Treasure_
Julian Cope _Peggy Suicide_
Denison-Kimball Trio _Soul Machine_
Einsturzende Neubauten _Haus der Leuge_
Philip Glass _1000 Airplanes on the Roof_
The Jesus Lizard _Head_
Lush _Split_
Meat Beat Manifesto _Storm the Studio_
My Bloody Valentine _Loveless_
Naked City _Torture Garden_
Scraping Foetus Off the Wheel _Nail_
Sonic Youth _Daydream Nation_
Soul Coughing _Ruby Vroom_
Supernova _Ages 3 and Up_
SWANS _White Light from the Mouth of Infinity_
Tar _Toast_
Wire _Pink Flag_
Swap 'em! Save 'em! Listen to 'em till they sound fuzzy, then listen to
'em again!
- -Zachary
- - _________________________
)) Zachary ((
[|**| zachary@netwalk.com |**|]
|__| "Coffee Cures Everything" |__|
- -
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 16:14:09 -0600
From: JRZ <zube@winternet.com>
Subject: Re: 20
At 03:34 PM 4/1/98 -0500, Tom Pratt wrote:
>JRZ wrote:
>>
>> Uncle Tupelo - No Depression
>
>mmm... Great album. I think I'll bring it along with me as well. I got
>this disc when I was 13 and it's one of the very few discs from that
>time I've stuck with. I didn't like many other Tupelo albums aside from
>this one and their projects since breaking up have been really weak
>(Wilco and Son Volt).
I don't really like the album's after ND either. I disagree about the
spinoffs, I love both Son Volt albums. The Wilco double CD is good.
'Course I listened to too many of my dad's Merle Haggard and Waylon
Jennings albums growing up so your milage may vary.
I can't believe I forgot to mention
Tarbabies - Honey Bubble (the most wrongly forgotten band of the late 80's)
zube
http://www.winternet.com/~zube/index.htm
If anyone objects to any statement I make. I am not only prepared to
retract the statement, but to deny under oath that I ever made it - Tom Lehrer
- -
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:20:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: 20 essential records
Albert Ayler, _Spiritual Unity_
Derek Bailey, _Aida_ and _Drop Me Off at 96th_
Peter Brotzmann, _Machine Gun_
Ornette Coleman, _Body Meta_, _Dancing in Your Head_, _Free Jazz_, and
_This Is Our Music_
Miles Davis, _Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants_, _On the Corner_,
and _Pangaea_
Brian Eno, _Discreet Music_ and _Neroli_
Yoko Ono, _Yoko Ono/Plastic Ono Band_
Sun Ra, _Atlantis_ and _Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy_
Cecil Taylor, _For Olim_
Tricky, _Maxinquaye_
Velvet Underground, _White Light/White Heat_
John Zorn, _Locus Solus_
(Bjoern, who I'd sent this to privately, may notice a small change. I got
two Miles Davis records confused. This is the correct version.)
Chris Hamilton
- -
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 17:30:35 -0500
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: 20
Trout Mask Replica (I still find new things on it, even after 25 years)
Gravity - Fred Frith
Another Green World - Brian Eno
Ascension - John Coltrane (how can you pick just one?)
Ask The Ages - Sonny Sharrock
Of Queues and Cures - National Health
Barbecue Dog - Decoding Society
8th Street Nights - Back Door (anyone else remember them?)
Rockbottom - Robert Wyatt (though Schleep is a close 2nd)
Naked City - s/t
Consequences - Godley and Creme (mostly for Sarah Vaughn's cameo,
otherwise "L")
Lumpy Gravy - Frank Zappa
The World As It Is Today - Art Bears
The Hapless Child - Michael Mantler
Ph7 - Peter Hammill
Kew Rhone - John Greaves & Peter Blegvad
Familjesprikor - Zamla Mammas Manna
185 - The Muffins
Iron Path - Last Exit
Crafty Hands - Happy The Man
Maybe I should change my nick to "unrepentent prog rocker"
- -
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:23:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Keldon Drudge <kdrudge@julian.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: 20 Essentials
> Wire _Pink Flag_
...ahhhh, finally someone mentions this one.
- -
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:11:55 -0800
From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: 20
I was gritting my teeth holding back from going on a FLAMING tirade that
TROUT MASK was nowhere to be found, but that has been rectified, so I'll be
a nice puppy...
- -
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:49:56 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: Turkish music
> As other people have mentioned, there is a lot of recordings combining
> jazz players and non-western improvisation, or western players
> improvising non-western music. May I mention Codona, Glen Velez, lots
> of Don Cherry, and many of the recent Butch Morris conduction series.
Someone here mentioned an album a while ago called 'cairo heavy traffic'
which sounded amazing, but i've forgotten everything about it other than
the title. Fill me in, oh mighty zorn-list.
- -jascha
- -
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 05:55:52 -0600
From: "PETSITTER" <PETSITTER@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: MY top 20 albums
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Gretz <KGGF@grove.iup.edu>
To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 12:04 PM
Subject: MY top 20 albums
>in no particular order:
>
>>10. Faith No More - Album Of The Year
>11. Boredoms - Onanie Bomb Versus The Sex Pistols
>12. Deus - Worst Case Scenerio
>13. Mr. Bungle - Disco Volante
>
>Why did you choose Album of the year? Im just curious. If I had to pick
one CD to summarize Faith No More and also the best CD, I would choose Angel
Dust.
On the other hand, thank you for choosing Disco Volante over the
self-titled album. I get discouraged when people speak poorly over DiscoV.
- -
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:25:31 -0500 (EST)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Screwgun
I just got my copy of Tim Berne/Bloodcount's "Discretion" in the mail.
Its really amazing, but anyway it came with a postcard announcing the Marc
Ducret CD, and it said "Buy this CD and my power comes back on - Tim
Berne". Don't tell me Screwgun is having financial problems already-
I had read that they've been doing well. I know it's a sarcastic remark
and that he's like that, but I just don't know how sarcastic.
Also, I was glad to see someone list FZ's 200 Motels on their top 20.
While it is not one of my favorite FZ albums, I think its much better than
people give it credit for. But try telling that to someone who doesn't
like FZ- impossible! Try it.
- -
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