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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #286
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, April 1 1998 Volume 02 : Number 286
In this issue:
-
20 records I want my girlfriend to appreciate
CAKE (was 20 before)
Yoshihide Dates.
Re: masada on sale
re: Turkish music
Re:Bar Kokhba/Circle Maker
20 great albums
Re; Mike Osborne
Re: Dennis Charles and Arthur Jones
Re: 20 great albums
Re: Arthur Jones
Re; Mike Osborne
Re: CAKE (was 20 before)
Re: masada on sale
Re: stockhausen
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #284
Re: masada on sale
Cobra.....Other game pieces,
Re: Torture Garden Mystery
Re: Dennis Charles and Arthur Jones
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:15:52 +0200
From: flamerik@best.ms.philips.com
Subject: 20 records I want my girlfriend to appreciate
In no particular order. Not all are CDs...
1. Mr. Bungle - Disco Volante
2. Faith No More - Angel Dust
3. Bjork - Homogenic
4. Naked City - Grand Guignol
5. Runzelstirn & Gurgelstock - HO
6. Ennio Morricone - either one of Mondo Morricone, More Mondo Morricone, or
Morricone A Go! Go! (all compilations - is this allowed?)
7. Marillion - Misplaced Childhood
8. Rush - Moving Pictures
9. Genesis - Foxtrot
10. Photek - U.F.O. 12"
11. Primus - Frizzle Fry
12. Frank Zappa - disc one of The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life
13. Slayer - Reign In Blood
14. Boredoms - Super Roots
15. the entire Basic Channel output
16. Peter Thomas - Raumpatrouille
17. Bernard Herrmann - Vertigo
18. Bernard Herrmann - The Day The Earth Stood Still
19. Dream Theater - Images and Words
20. Peter Gabriel - Live
My God, what a biased list... Some of this stuff I haven't played in months,
but I still think it's probably better than what I'm listening to now... or,
the stuff from recent years still needs to grow. Anyway, I know I've listened
500 times to that Dream Theater album, for example, so the fact that I haven't
touched it in over a year is not going to keep me from including it here.
- -
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:18:06 +0200 (MESZ)
From: BJOERN <bjoern.eichstaedt@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
Subject: CAKE (was 20 before)
On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Keith McMullen wrote:
> What's the scoop on CAKE? Someone else mentioned them to me the other day.
>
well CAKE are an amazing band from the US (i guess California am not sure
though)... their style can be described as alternative country-rock with
weird elements and funny lyrics...musically they are amazing. especially
their arrangements are completely weird...reminds me of some Zappa stuff!!!!
they have two albums out..the first one is called "motorcade of
generosity" the second one is called "fashion nigget" which i highly
recommend (one of my 20 fav records :) )
at the moment they are in the studio workin on their third album.
BJOERN
http://www.cityinfonetz.de/uni/homepage/bjoern.eichstaedt
- -
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 09:38:29 -0500
From: "Jason J. Tar" <tarjason@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Yoshihide Dates.
I was e-mailed these dates by the person who does the Yoshihide pages.
Thought some of you might care.
The Ohio show is going to be at Speak in Tongues.
>Several days ago, Sachiko sent me the schedule of their U.S. and European
tour.
>The U.S. tour schedule is as follows;
>
>Filament / I.S.O. Tour 1998
>I.S.O with Otomo, Yoshimitsu Ichiraku (drums) and Sachiko M (sampler)
>5/7 <thu> NY/ USA [ The Cooler ] OTOMO&Christian Marclay&DJ Toshio
> Sachiko M& Koosil-ja(Kumiko Kimoto)
>5/10 <sun> NY/ USA [Alterknit] w/Anthony Coleman
>5/11 <mon> Pittsburgh,PA / USA [ ] Filament
>5/12 <tue> Cleveland,OH/ USA [ ] Filament
>5/13 <wed> Detroit,Mi / USA [ ] Filament
>5/14 <thu>
>5/15 <fri> Chicago/ USA [ ] I.S.O. w/Jim O'Rouke
>
- ---
Peace Hugs and Unity,
Jason J. Tar
Vampire Rodent Productions
http://pilot.msu.edu/user/tarjason/VRodents.htm
Featuring: Vampire Rodents, Ether Bunny, and Dilate.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:47:07 -0600
From: Rusty Crump <dmcrump@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
Subject: Re: masada on sale
>CD Universe has all "Masada" on sale for $15.97. is it
>considered to be a good price? if i don`t have any of "masada", except the
>one that was released on "jazz door", and i can buy only 2-3 CDs which one
>should i pick up?
>
>
>-
FOUR. Abso-rootie-tootie-tootly.
Rusty Crump
Oxford, Mississippi
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:50:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: re: Turkish music
On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Al T wrote:
> Just to dovetail w/ other topics:
> Talip Ozkan - The Dark Fire - produced by Bill Laswell & Nicky
> Skopelitis.
>
> Good stuff - no oud though - saz, precussion, voice.
got to second this. it's on axiom and it's raw just like master
musicians and gnawa music of marrakesh.
b
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 98 09:39:25 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Re:Bar Kokhba/Circle Maker
Author: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu> at SMTP-for-MSSM
Date: 3/31/98 4:34 PM
Opinions on Bar Kokhba vs. Circle Maker?
Forced to choose, I'd pick 'Bar Kokhba', though I think 'The Circle
Maker' is a very fine release. Part of the difference might merely be the
pleasant surprise, at the time, of hearing all the lush romanticism of the
earlier work; now we've come to expect it.
'The Circle Maker' does contain some of the absolute best work I've heard from
both Mark Feldman and Ribot; the latter's tone is pure joy to listen to. Cyro
Batista is also exceptional on the Zevulon portion of the program.
I do get the nagging (and quite possibly mistaken) feeling that JZ can almost
toss off these compositions at will. There's a certain gem-like, perhaps
too-perfect aspect to some pieces that occasionally leaves me wanting a bit more
edge, even a few 'failures'. But, what the hell, if my carping gets to this
level of anality, I figure we're dealing with some very fine work.
Get 'em both.
Brian Olewnick
- -
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:11:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Gauthier Michelle A <7mag2@qlink.queensu.ca>
Subject: 20 great albums
KRONOS QUARTET-- Early Music
BOB OSTERTAG AND OTOMO YOSHIHIDE-- Twins
BOB OSTERTAG-- Sooner or Later
DAVE DOUGLAS-- Sanctuary
DIAMANDA GALAS-- Masque of the Red Death
PETER THOMAS-- Raumpatrouille
TIPSY-- The Seductive Sounds of..
ARTO LINDSAY-- Mundo Civilizado
BAR KOKHBA
DAVID SHEA AND DJ GRAZHOPPA
BOREDOMS-- Anal By Anal
YOSHIMI P-WE-- 00100
RYOJI IKEDA-- 1000 Fragments
ORANJ SYMPHONETTE-- Plays Mancini
CHRISTIAN MARKLAY-- Records 1981-1989
OTOMO YOSHIHEDE-- We Insist?
HANATARASH-- 4
MILES DAVIS-- On The Corner
ERIC DOLPHY-- Out to Lunch
PHILIP GREENLIEF/TREVOR DUNN
oops! 21. TOM WAITS-- Bone Machine
In no apparent order....
m.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:40:22 +0100
From: Dan Given <dlgiven@julian.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re; Mike Osborne
>> Easy question to answer, two of his best records have recently reissued:
>>
>>
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *** - OUTBACK: Mike Osborne
>>
>> 1/ So It Is (Mike Osborne)
>> 2/ Outback (Mike Osborne)
>>
>> Mike Osborne: alto; Harry Beckett: trumpet; Louis Moholo: drums; Harry
>> Miller: bass; Chris McGregor: piano.
>>
>> 1994 - Future Music Records (UK), FMR CD07-031994 (CD)
>Patrice: What is the real release date on this. Not 1994, surely. And how
>long are the tracks?
This album is from something like 1970. Unfortunately, it is no longer in
print. Cadence had it in their catalogue for a long time, but when I
ordered it, it was out of stock. The next issue it was removed from the
listing. I asked Daniel at Verge about it, as they also deal with Future
Music. He called FMR, and they are out of them, with no intent to reprint
it. So, unfortunately, I don't have it :(.
Dan
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:21:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Dennis Charles and Arthur Jones
Yes the same Denis Charles, but he's probably best known as being Cecil
Taylor's first drummer.
He was still playing well up to the (near) end. I saw him in NYC last
summer for the first (and now last) time playing in a couple of groups,
including one with Mr. Tireless, Borah Bergman --and he was as inventive
as always. Luckily a couple of CD featuring him will soon be out on Eremite.
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Glenn A wrote:
> > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:04:27 -0500 (EST)
> > From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
> > Cc: zorn-list@xmission.com
> > Subject: Re: Dennis Charles and Arthur Jones
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > All around us the second generation new thing players are passing on --
> > > most recently Denis Charles
> >
> > I hadn't heard this. What a wonderful, underappreciated drummer.
> >
> > >Is this the same Denis Charles who played with Steve Lacy ? I'm thinking of that Hat Art release of improvised Monk tunes
> along with trombonist Rosewell Rudd...
>
>
> glenn
> >
> > -
> >
> >
> >
>
> -
>
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:06:49 -0800
From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: 20 great albums
This is fun. It is so absurd to reduce our collective passions for music to
a list of 20, yet it is so delightful to see homages paid to those we love
so dearly. I'm sitting here going YES! YES! to everyone else's lists as much
(sometimes more than) my own.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:03:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Arthur Jones
Not sure of the exact details, but it happened two or three weeks ago.
Apparently Jones had gone from NYC to Paris, then was back in NYC, close
to living on the street. When he heard of the death of Samarai Celestian
(*sp), the Sun Ra drummer, he sent a postcard to Ahmed Abdullah, the
ex-Ra trumpeter predicting he (Jones) would be next. That had a short
discussion about that and next thing he knew, Abdullah heard of Jones demise.
All the more reason to get those BYGs out again
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net
On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> On Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:39:07 -0500 (EST) Ken Waxman wrote:
> >
>
>
> > Now this is interesting, especially with the participation of Earl
> > Freeman, another American avant gardist of the second wave who played
> > with Noah Howard and Archie Shepp. If I'm not mistaken it was William
> > Parker who wrote a tune honoring him, called "Goggles".
> >
> > All around us the second generation new thing players are passing on --
> > most recently Denis Charles and Arthur Jones. Considering that their
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Arthur Jones? When? I never heard about his death.
>
> > explorations and non-conformity influenced Zorn, maybe we could spend
> > more time discussing their achievements here.
>
> Patrice.
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:40:22 +0100
From: Dan Given <dlgiven@julian.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re; Mike Osborne
>> Easy question to answer, two of his best records have recently reissued:
>>
>>
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *** - OUTBACK: Mike Osborne
>>
>> 1/ So It Is (Mike Osborne)
>> 2/ Outback (Mike Osborne)
>>
>> Mike Osborne: alto; Harry Beckett: trumpet; Louis Moholo: drums; Harry
>> Miller: bass; Chris McGregor: piano.
>>
>> 1994 - Future Music Records (UK), FMR CD07-031994 (CD)
>Patrice: What is the real release date on this. Not 1994, surely. And how
>long are the tracks?
This album is from something like 1970. Unfortunately, it is no longer in
print. Cadence had it in their catalogue for a long time, but when I
ordered it, it was out of stock. The next issue it was removed from the
listing. I asked Daniel at Verge about it, as they also deal with Future
Music. He called FMR, and they are out of them, with no intent to reprint
it. So, unfortunately, I don't have it :(.
Dan
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 09:29:51 -0600
From: JRZ <zube@winternet.com>
Subject: Re: CAKE (was 20 before)
At 04:18 PM 4/1/98 +0200, BJOERN wrote:
>
>
>On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Keith McMullen wrote:
>
>> What's the scoop on CAKE? Someone else mentioned them to me the other day.
>>
>well CAKE are an amazing band from the US (i guess California am not sure
>though)... their style can be described as alternative country-rock with
>weird elements and funny lyrics...musically they are amazing. especially
>their arrangements are completely weird...reminds me of some Zappa stuff!!!!
Didn't they have a "big hit single on the charts" a year or so ago? I
remember someone recommending their disc but I kinda blew it off. Can
anyone clue me in?
zube
http://www.winternet.com/~zube/index.htm
If anyone objects to any statement I make. I am not only prepared to
retract the statement, but to deny under oath that I ever made it - Tom Lehrer
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:46:48 -0600
From: "Petsitter" <PETSITTER@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: masada on sale
- -----Original Message-----
From: Vadim Marmer <msvadi@olive.mscc.huji.ac.il>
To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 2:14 AM
Subject: masada on sale
>CD Universe has all "Masada" on sale for $15.97. is it
>considered to be a good price? if i don`t have any of "masada", except the
>one that was released on "jazz door", and i can buy only 2-3 CDs which one
>should i pick up?
That is a good price, at least from what I have seen. Even Cadence sells
them for $18.
What Masada CD was released on jazz door, I am unfamiliar?
I would first purchase Masada 1-3.>
>
>-
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:14:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: stockhausen
On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Julian wrote:
> A while back there was a bit of talk about a version of Stockhausen's
> "Kontakte" which included William Winant. Where is this recording
> available?
it is available on thurston moore's ecstatic peace label.
b
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:11:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Marc Couroux <couroux@music.mcgill.ca>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #284
Steve Reich - Music for 18 Musicians (1977) ECM
The Residents - Third Reich and Roll (1976) ESD
The Fall - This Nation's Saving Grace (1985) Beggar's Banquet
Cecil Taylor - Looking (Berlin) (1991) FMP
Evan Parker - Process and Reality (1993) FMP
Conlon Nancarrow - Studies for Player Piano Vols. 1-5 WERGO
Harry Partch - The Wayward CRI
Glenn Branca - Symphony No. 3 (1980) Atavistic
Art Ensemble of Chicago - Full Force/Urban Bushmen ECM
Morton Feldman - For Samuel Beckett (1986) HatARt
John Zorn - Torture Garden (1991) Tzadik
Terry Riley - Songs for the Ten Voices of the Two Prophets (1982)
Charlemagne Palestine - Godbear (1980) Barooni
Robert Ashley - Perfect Lives (1985) Lovely Music
Michel-Georges Bregent - Atlantide (1985) Ambiance Magnetique
Richard Barrett - Chamber Works (1994) Etcetera
Firesign Theatre - How Can you Be Two Places at Once - SONY
Felix Leclerc - Le Chant des Patriotes
Talking Heads - Fear of Music (1978) Sire
Laurie Anderson - United States Live (1985) Warner Bros.
Gyorgy Ligeti - Le Grand Macabre (1978) WERGO
Iannis Xenakis - La Legende d'Eer (1978) Disques Montaigne
Luigi Nono - Prometeo (1985) SONY
Frank Zappa - 200 Motels (1970) Rykodisc
Philip Glass - Music in 12 Parts (1975) Elektra
- - Marc Couroux
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:46:48 -0600
From: "Petsitter" <PETSITTER@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: masada on sale
- -----Original Message-----
From: Vadim Marmer <msvadi@olive.mscc.huji.ac.il>
To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 2:14 AM
Subject: masada on sale
>CD Universe has all "Masada" on sale for $15.97. is it
>considered to be a good price? if i don`t have any of "masada", except the
>one that was released on "jazz door", and i can buy only 2-3 CDs which one
>should i pick up?
That is a good price, at least from what I have seen. Even Cadence sells
them for $18.
What Masada CD was released on jazz door, I am unfamiliar?
I would first purchase Masada 1-3.>
>
>-
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:47:11 +0200
From: "roger langvik" <tjohansen@vf.telia.no>
Subject: Cobra.....Other game pieces,
does anyone know of a good site to understand more abaout the rules
(perhaps THE rules) of Cobra how it is built up,etc,etc.or just tell me,us
,the other persons on this digest how it works,functions in the playing
situations,I am writing a paper on zorn and am having problems finding the
words the notes on my record doesn't tell me much......
thanks..........
Roger
I have no cool catch frase.....
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 08:48:53 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Torture Garden Mystery
On Wed, 01 Apr 1998 14:23:04 +0200 Julien Quint wrote:
>
> Patrice L. Roussel <proussel@ichips.intel.com> wrote:
>
> > Nonesuch refused to put out the material of TORTURE GARDEN on their
> > label. Because they refused to put out the music, they could not
> > really prevent Zorn from getting it released somewhere else. It seems
> > that they found an agree- ment: "you can put it in the US, but not on
> > CD". This explains why Shimmy only put out vinyl/tape pressings of
> > the record.
>
> > Later on (1991), Toy's Factory released it on CD, which was OK with
> > Nonesuch.
>
> snip!
>
> > Now, that does not explain why Shimmy made the record available again
> > in October 96 (when the BLACK BOX was already announced)...
>
> This is strange, because I bought a CD copy of Torture Garden way before 1996
This is not strange... I just skipped few details :-).
I was talking about Shimmy putting the record back on the shelves after
Zorn asking them to withdraw it. Yes, Shimmy put out a CD pressing of the
record in 1993.
> (must have been around 1993) and it was already on Shimmy Disc, just like the
> 12" record (and I was under the impression that the 12" didn't have
> *everything* that's on the CD... my CD has 46 tracks, running time approx. 26
> minutes btw)
46 tracks? I am really surprised because the vinyl/tape had only 42... Could
I have missed the fact that the CD pressings added extra tracks?
> This is getting pretty complicated; maybe Shimmy Disc sold the CD only outside
> the US? I bought mine in France. In regards to the last question, it's been
> said on numerous occasion that Shimmy Disc have pretty dodgy business
> practices.
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 08:54:02 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Dennis Charles and Arthur Jones
On Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:21:03 -0500 (EST) Ken Waxman wrote:
>
> Yes the same Denis Charles, but he's probably best known as being Cecil
> Taylor's first drummer.
> He was still playing well up to the (near) end. I saw him in NYC last
> summer for the first (and now last) time playing in a couple of groups,
> including one with Mr. Tireless, Borah Bergman --and he was as inventive
> as always. Luckily a couple of CD featuring him will soon be out on Eremite.
He had many exciting shows announced at The Roulette...
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
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