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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #281
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Zorn List Digest Monday, March 30 1998 Volume 02 : Number 281
In this issue:
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Re: the far side
Re: the far side
Re: the far side
Leng Tche
Re: SCHLEEP
Re: M.E. Miller / Charles K. Noyes
Re: Sounds wanted
Re: the far side
Re: SCHLEEP
Re: Naked City
Re: Naked City
VIDEO
Re[2]: Naked City
Peter Thomas
Scorn and Ground Zero
Re: Scorn and Ground Zero
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #280
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #280
Re: Scorn and Ground Zero
West Coast (US) tour of Fred Frith?
Re: bobby previte
Peeved (was Re: bobby previte)
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 98 11:22:49 -0300
From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar
Subject: Re: the far side
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The fourth person is Curtis Fowlkes on trombone and "Quartet" is an
outstanding cd; by the way, any opinions on "Gone like a train"?
- -Hugo, from Argentina
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His CD Quartet w/ Eyvind Kang, Ron MIles and (wow, I can't remember the
fourth person) has several tracks from the Far Side (though I missed the
special, so I don't know if these are the actual recordings). I don't have
it yet, but Gone Like a Train also has some tracks that I know were on
Quartet.
- -Chris
At 8:25 PM 3/30/98, Julian wrote:
>Is Bill Frisell's music for Tales From The Far Side available on any of his
>releases?
>
>
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:20:08 -0600 (CST)
From: Tom Benton <rancor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: the far side
>
>His CD Quartet w/ Eyvind Kang, Ron MIles and (wow, I can't remember the
>fourth person) has several tracks from the Far Side (though I missed the
>special, so I don't know if these are the actual recordings). I don't
>have it yet, but Gone Like a Train also has some tracks that I know were
>on Quartet.
>
The fourth person is Curtis Fowlkes. But back to the matter at hand - no,
the tracks on 'Quartet' did not appear in the actual Far Side special.
I'm under the impression that the sessions for the soundtrack included Bay
Area organ ace Rob Burger and maybe Briggan Krauss on saxophone, among
other people.
Off the top of my head, 'Gone Just Like a Train' does have at least one of
the Far Side tunes on it: "Egg Radio".
By the way, I haven't seen this special either - has anyone?
- -tom
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:42:20 -0500
From: Glenn Lea <glenn_lea@avid.com>
Subject: Re: the far side
rancor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu wrote:
>
> By the way, I haven't seen this special either - has anyone?
I saw it. Funny and really sick. For example, one segment was about an "dude
ranch" for dead people who couldn't seem to keep all their body parts
attached. It deserves a
video release.
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:10:58 -0500
From: jtalbot@massart.edu
Subject: Leng Tche
>Leng Tche - a torturous slow heavy piece, over 30 minutes in length. It
>depicts a chinese torture and so in the middle there is a lot of screaming.
>There are (very) sustained chords, very few chord changes though. You
>shouldn't listen to this while watching the counter on your cd player.
also a great album to paint to.....
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:29:08 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: SCHLEEP
On Sun, 29 Mar 1998 17:54:44 -0500 Tom Pratt wrote:
>
> Keith McMullen wrote:
> >
> > anyone out there listening to Robert Wyatt's latest? was kind of put off by
> > it at first. now can't stop listening. is surely the first recording on
> > which both Brian Eno and Evan Parker appear?
>
> For a strange Parker tidbit, there's a Scott Walker album with both Evan
> Parker and Billy Ocean?! Now there's an odd combination!
As much as Evan Parker and Charlie Watts?
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:37:08 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: M.E. Miller / Charles K. Noyes
On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:05:03 +0200 Chris Genzel wrote:
>
>
> Through "Locus Solus" and the first Golden Palominos album, I became interested
> in Mark (M.E.) Miller. I know he's on the Material "Live From Soundscape" CD,
> but I can't distinguish him from Moss and Noyes on this set.
> What can you tell me about Miller? What recordings of his are available and
> recommended? Is he still active?
Tidbit about Mark Miller: he is married to a country singer in San Francisco;
they have a band together that plays lots of weddings [it was a couple years ago].
> The same question goes for Charles K. Noyes -- I love his appearance on
> "Memory Serves" and I also have "Improvised Music New York 1981".
>
> Kind regards,
> - Chris.
>
>
> -
>
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:00:35 +0100
From: Nils Jacobson <JACOBSON@frodo.mgh.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: Sounds wanted
sasanborn@micron.com writes:
> I am interested in hearing the following music, if you have any of
> these things and could dub me a copy in trade for something I have,
> that would be excellent.
I highly recommend buying the music in question. The musicians need the
money, the labels need support, and it's generally a good idea to go to
the store and do everyone a service. I know it's hard to come up with the
money, but then maybe you can listen to the radio. That's always free.
- -Nils
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:03:54 +0100
From: Nils Jacobson <JACOBSON@frodo.mgh.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: the far side
"Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au> writes:
> > Is Bill Frisell's music for Tales From The Far Side available on any of
> > his releases?
>
> Well, here I go answering my own question. After a bit of looking I found
> "Quartet". But a followup question: is this cd basically a soundtrack to
> the animation, or is there other stuff on there too?
The CD contains soundtracks from three or four different things. It has
some stuff from the far side, and some stuff from Italian TV specials,
etc. I don't have it in front of me so I can't give the details, but I
can highly recommend Quartet. It's a good record. Really quite
different from the other things Frisell has done lately. The music is
super subtle and quite cartoonish. Worth checking out.
- -Nils
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:46:10 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: SCHLEEP
On Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:49:15 -0800 "Keith McMullen" wrote:
>
> >For a strange Parker tidbit, there's a Scott Walker album with both Evan
> >Parker and Billy Ocean?! Now there's an odd combination!
> >
> > -Tom Pratt
>
>
> How is Scott Walker?
A fabulous singer and songwriter!!!
American. Moved to England (where he still lives). Founded the Walker Brothers
in the '60s. Got few hits then disbanded. After that Scott started a solo
career. Very reclusive and terse output.
A big influence on many singers (to give a recent example: Neil Hannon of Divine
Comedy).
There is currently a compilation of his late '60s songs that is fabulous. TILT,
his last record, is easily available.
Even Jim O'Rourke likes him (which explains the US release of TILT).
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:24:54 -0500 (EST)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: Naked City
It's funny that no one mentions that the thrash songs on the first naked
city album (10-17) are all repeated on Torture Garden, which is repeated
in exactly the same order on grand Guignol, and are also available on the
Black Box 2 CD which has torture garden. So the same performances of
those songs (10-17 from Naked City) are repeated 4 times. I'm sure this
is common knowledge to most but a lot of people, such as reviewers, don't
make this connection. In any case Torture Garden is awesome, worth
getting in one of its 3 fully avail. forms.
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:34:44 -0500
From: "Andy Marks" <Andy.Marks@mts.com>
Subject: Re: Naked City
> It's funny that no one mentions that the thrash songs on the first naked
> city album (10-17) are all repeated on Torture Garden, which is repeated
> in exactly the same order on grand Guignol
Actually, Grand Guignol contains all of Torture garden EXCEPT
the thrash songs from Naked City.
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 98 15:48:40 -0300
From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar
Subject: VIDEO
Is there anybody out there who knows where can I get "N.City at the
Marquee Club" video?
Any more information about International Transfers (Email, telephone)?
Thanks,
- -Hugo, from Argentina
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:27:58 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: Re[2]: Naked City
Actually, this is how it goes:
Torture Garden is a full album of mini-thrash-jazz tunes with Yamatsuka Eye of
the Boredoms supplying some lead vocals.
Some of these tunes are also available on the first Naked City album along with
original speed jazz tunes by Zorn/Naked City and a bunch of awesome covers.
Grand Guignol contains all the OTHER tunes from Torture Garden, plus Grand
Guignol, plus, I think, those classical covers. Thus, if you have Naked City
and Grand Guignol, you have ALL the tunes from Torture Garden, just not all in a
row.
Black Box contains the entire Torture Garden LP in its entirety, in the proper
order, etc.etc.etc.
Finally, Radio contains a bunch more mini-thrash-jazz tunes along these same
lines, but this is the only place they appear. Also, for some reason, they
don't seem as great as the others. What the difference could be, heaven only
knows, but I routinely skip these while savoring every moment of the Naked
City/Torture Garden ones. Anyway, the rest of the album is really good and I
listen to it semi-regularly.
Anyway, that's the skinny.
Peter
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:01:06 -0500 (EST)
From: "David J. Strauss" <djs2852@is.nyu.edu>
Subject: Peter Thomas
I belive Scamp is issuing a Peter Thomas comp in a month or so.
DS
djs2852@is.nyu.edu
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:32:09 -0500
From: Matt Moffett <fkmoffet@erols.com>
Subject: Scorn and Ground Zero
The Capital Ballroom in D.C. is putting on 2 good shows in April
Wed April 1
Invisible Records Tour, feat. Pigface, Scorn, FM Einheit (of
Neubaten), etc.(Scorn seems to be tentative, according to the venue
they will be there, the record label seems confused)
Wed April 8
Ground Zero
tix for both I think are $15
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:25:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: Scorn and Ground Zero
On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Matt Moffett wrote:
> The Capital Ballroom in D.C. is putting on 2 good shows in April
> Wed April 8
> Ground Zero
this isn't the band ground zero. it's just an evening of gothic dj-ing
entitled "ground zero".
b
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:00:56 -0800
From: Remco Vlaanderen <varlecom@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #280
Re: Bondage
>I am wondering if any one else is confused or put off by Zorn's
interest
>in bondage. I'm confused by the bondage interest in his work ( such as
>the cover for the Painkiller live in japan disc and the naming of
>selections like Osaka Bondage). The Painkiller live album is called
>Rituals so I believe the cover photo relates to this title, but what
>confuses me is how bondage relates to Zorn's music which to me has
meant
>breaking though musical bondage's. Looking up Zorn's artist list from
>the Grand Guignol disc, I found sites on the web about Dan Oniroku who
>is as much as I've seen a bondage artist. The theme of bondage is the
>only one that doesn't make sense to me in Zorn's work ( even the use of
>a serial killers writing on a wall for Buried Secrets makes sense to
>me). I would appreciate hearing others on the lists thoughts on this
>subject.
Or, why does bondage like Zorn?
'Osaka Bondage' is a short video clip by Henri Hills, a sort of collage
clip
using images from Japanese XXX-rated trash porn supported by naked City
songs.
The speedy mixture of images, the fast cutting-techniques and the
concept of sampling
are all elements that Zorn tends to use in his approach to music.
2 weeks ago I saw the video 'The Elegant Spanking' by Maria Beatty (here
in Amsterdam)
in which she is dominated by another woman. The dominatrix ties up Maria
to the bed and
then she starts using all kinds of instruments to inflict a certain
pain. Zorn did the
sound design for this video, that was filmed in beautiful classic noir
style and his
score is perfect with the images. Zorn's interest in bondage is nothing
to be scared
about. The man has a healthy interest in both high and low culture and
he likes
to help out his fellow-artists who are in need of soundtracks for their
films.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Remco Vlaanderen
+31 (0)20 4202405
varlecom@xs4all.nl
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:09:18 -0800
From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #280
>Re: Bondage
Zorn's interest was an insider's. Not just as an outside observer.
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:31:56 -0800 (PST)
From: a rancid amoeba <rancid@best.com>
Subject: Re: Scorn and Ground Zero
> The Capital Ballroom in D.C. is putting on 2 good shows in April
>
> Wed April 1
> Invisible Records Tour, feat. Pigface, Scorn, FM Einheit (of
> Neubaten), etc.(Scorn seems to be tentative, according to the venue
> they will be there, the record label seems confused)
>
Or maybe not so hot....
I saw this show in SF and it was quite disappointing. Pigface are
the doing the same thing they've been doing for years but its
infectious quality is gone--it feels more like they're just
mindlessly rehashing the same thing for the zillionth time.
FM Einheit was definitely the highlight of the night although
it was not at all what I expected. He's not doing any of his
experimental stuff--it's a very rock-oriented line-up complete
with female singer and Einheit plays a very small role in it all.
Very well done, just not pushing the limits any.
Scorn didn't play. Atkins came on stage to tell us all that Mick
had gone to be with his wife/girlfriend/significant other (whichever
it is) who had just had a baby girl. According to another source
who'd talked to Mick by email, Invisible fucked up the paperwork
to get him into the country and he was quite pissed. I wouldn't be
surprised if he doesn't do any of the remaining dates.
Tribes of Neurot, Bagman, and Not Breathing also played at the SF
show (I doubt they're on the rest of the tour). Tribes live are even
more wanker than their CDs--I love Neurosis but Tribes just sounds
so forced and formulated. Bagman is a Sheep on Drugs side project
and was just embarassing--while a knob tweaker did techno-type stuff,
the "singer" just yelled really stupid things (like 'what's up
San Francisco') into the mic and danced around (not all that well).
Not Breathing were good--a whole slew of knob tweakers doing techno/
jungle.
And then added to all that was Invisible-related video ads between
all the bands. Pitiful.
In summary, if Scorn doesn't show up, watching TV might be a much more
enjoyable way to pass the evening.
chanel (who'll be having an awesome April Fools Day at the Crash
Worship show)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
http://www.arancidamoeba.com/ rancid@best.com
r e c o r d l a b e l s o n t h e w e b
future home of a rancid amoeba records
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:13:55 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: West Coast (US) tour of Fred Frith?
Does anybody know if Frith will really tour on the West Coast in the
near future? I remember reading about a tour with Larry Ochs and
Miyaka Masaoka.
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:59:26 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: bobby previte
> Can someone tell me what Bobby Previte's recordings are generally like,
> particularly "My Man In Sydney" and "Euclid's Nightmare"?
Euclid's Nightmare is wonderful...it's 27 very short improvisations; Zorn
and Previtte tried to make them all one minute long, but some of them were
a bit longer, so the whole disc is about 47:00 or so. Both of them have a
lot of fun, and manage to create a variety of moods. It's very rhythmic,
as you'd expect...some tracks are jazzy, some are noise-ey, some are
noise-es...and at the end, you have the privilege of hearing Z&P discuss
where to have lunch.
I also bought 'Too Close to the Pole' thanks to wise words from Patrice,
and it, too, is a fine fine thing. The first track is a hectic
horn-hocket pseudo-spy-movie music, very fun. The second song is a 13
minute long song which starts with a drum rhythm in 7 accompanied by tin
whistle, later joined by chromaticly teasing horns, and builds to a
beutiful moment....theres' a cover of a tune from 'the queen of spades',
an opera by Tchaikovsky, and and and...
-jascha
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:10:33 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Peeved (was Re: bobby previte)
>Euclid's Nightmare is wonderful...it's 27 very short improvisations; Zorn
>and Previtte tried to make them all one minute long, but some of them were
>a bit longer, so the whole disc is about 47:00 or so. Both of them have a
>lot of fun, and manage to create a variety of moods. It's very rhythmic,
>as you'd expect...some tracks are jazzy, some are noise-ey, some are
>noise-es...and at the end, you have the privilege of hearing Z&P discuss
>where to have lunch.
First, I'll agree with this. I really enjoy this disc except for one thing.
As I was scanning through it to find a good one to put on a mix tape for a
friend I discovered that there is at least one repeated track on there. 7
and 18 are identical! What's up with that? I would have expected better
from those guys. I don't know if there are any other repeated tracks; I
didn't bother to check. What's the need for repeating tracks? There is
absolutely no difference between the two I found, not even a few notes...
Dan
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