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Zorn List Digest        Monday, March 30 1998        Volume 02 : Number 280



In this issue:
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       Sounds Wanted
       Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:49:57 +0000
       Zorn and Bondage
       Re: Zorn and Bondage
       Re: Zorn and Bondage
       SCHLEEP
       Naked City
       re:  canadian masada distribution
       Re: SCHLEEP
       Re: feldman
       Re: SCHLEEP
       Re: SCHLEEP
       Re:feldman
       Peter Thomas
       SKIF2
       M.E. Miller / Charles K. Noyes
       Re: Peter Thomas
       the far side
       Re: Naked City
       Re: the far side
       Re: the far side
       Charles K. Noyes
       Re:feldman

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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 03:02:09 -0700 MST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Sounds Wanted

I am interested in hearing the following music, if you have any of
these things and could dub me a copy in trade for something I have,
that would be excellent. Email me to check out my trade list. Cheers,
Steve  email to [e-mail]
in no particular order:
Atman - Sounddreams
High Rise - Disallow
MX-80 - anything
Mainliner - Mellow Out
Thela - Argentina
Grobbschnitt - anything
Ornette Coleman - Chappaqua Suite
Guru Guru - anything
Fairport Convention - A Chronicle of Sorts
Dr. Nerve - anything
The Brain - Dimensions Unmeasurable
Neu - Fur Immen
Luna - Indian Summer
Iannis Xenakis - La Legende D'er
Krakatau - anything
Devil Doll - Dies Irae, Sacriligeum
Crown Of Autumn - Treasure Arcane
Empyrium - Songs of the Moors
Ghost - anything
Fushitsusha - Purple Trap, Allegorical Misunderstanding
Beyond the Calico Wall compilation
Acid Dreams Epitath compilation
Magma - anything
Univers Zero - Heresies
The Fugs- anything

and anything else along those lines. I'd also be interested in any
old time bluegrass-mountain music. Thanx for your time and hope to
hear from some of you. Cheers, Steve

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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:49:57 +0000
From: Dwight Haden <[e-mail]>
Subject: Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:49:57 +0000

>Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:39:25 -0800
>From: "Cappy D'Angelo" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Masada
>
>I asked if they
>could order Masada 9, but they couldn't find Masada in their Koch
>catalogue.  Who's the Canadian distributor for DIW?

I don't know but I suggest you check out Cheap Thrills in Montreal.
They carry DIW at a decent price.  Masadas are under "M" not "Z" in their
catalog.

http://www.cam.org/~thrills/#catalogs

  Dwight Haden === [e-mail]


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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:13:49 +0000
From: david thiel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn and Bondage

I am wondering if any one else is confused or put off by Zorn's interest
in bondage. I'm confused by the bondage interest in his work ( such as
the cover for the Painkiller live in japan disc and the naming of
selections like Osaka Bondage). The Painkiller live album is called
Rituals so I believe the cover photo relates to this title, but what
confuses me is how bondage relates to Zorn's music which to me has meant
breaking though musical bondage's. Looking up Zorn's artist list from
the Grand Guignol disc, I found sites on the web about Dan Oniroku who
is as much as I've seen a bondage artist. The theme of bondage is the
only one that doesn't make sense to me in Zorn's work ( even the use of
a serial killers writing on a wall for Buried Secrets makes sense to
me). I would appreciate hearing others on the lists thoughts on this
subject. One other quick comment yesterday I picked up the new Music
Revelation Ensemble release that has Zorn playing on it (called Cross
Fire) it is interesting hearing Zorn play James Blood Ulmer"s
compositions. The only bad part of the Disc is that Zorn and Pharaoh
Sanders never play on a track together.


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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:28:20 +1000
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn and Bondage

> I am wondering if any one else is confused or put off by Zorn's interest
> in bondage. I'm confused by the bondage interest in his work ( such as
> the cover for the Painkiller live in japan disc and the naming of
> selections like Osaka Bondage). The Painkiller live album is called
> Rituals so I believe the cover photo relates to this title, but what
> confuses me is how bondage relates to Zorn's music which to me has meant
> breaking though musical bondage's. Looking up Zorn's artist list from
> the Grand Guignol disc, I found sites on the web about Dan Oniroku who
> is as much as I've seen a bondage artist. The theme of bondage is the
> only one that doesn't make sense to me in Zorn's work ( even the use of
> a serial killers writing on a wall for Buried Secrets makes sense to
> me). I would appreciate hearing others on the lists thoughts on this
> subject.

I just saw it as an extension of the whole torture thing. Most of the
titles are related to torture, insanity, sex or horror, so bondage just
seems like a natural inclusion.


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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 07:28:04 -0800
From: "Keith McMullen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn and Bondage

>I am wondering if any one else is confused or put off by Zorn's interest
>in bondage.

Try it. You might like it.

Penguin


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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 08:40:43 -0800
From: "Keith McMullen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: SCHLEEP

anyone out there listening to Robert Wyatt's latest? was kind of put off by
it at first. now can't stop listening. is surely the first recording on
which both Brian Eno and Evan Parker appear?


- -

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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:12:47 -0800
From: George Grella <[e-mail]>
Subject: Naked City

Okay, who out there knows ALL the Naked City records, and what can you
tell me about each one?

gg

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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 12:59:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Keldon Drudge <[e-mail]>
Subject: re:  canadian masada distribution

Cheap Thrills is a great source; also check out
Verge music distribution in Peterborough at

http://www.ptbo.igs.net/~verge/

(which is cheaper probably depends on which province
you live in, since if you order out of province you don't
pay provincial sales tax)

On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, Dwight Haden wrote:

> >Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:39:25 -0800
> >From: "Cappy D'Angelo" <[e-mail]>
> >Subject: Masada
> >
> >I asked if they
> >could order Masada 9, but they couldn't find Masada in their Koch
> >catalogue.  Who's the Canadian distributor for DIW?
>
> I don't know but I suggest you check out Cheap Thrills in Montreal.
> They carry DIW at a decent price.  Masadas are under "M" not "Z" in their
> catalog.
>
> http://www.cam.org/~thrills/#catalogs
>
>   Dwight Haden === [e-mail]
>
>
> -
>



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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:05:03 -0500
From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: SCHLEEP

Keith McMullen wrote:
>
> anyone out there listening to Robert Wyatt's latest? was kind of put off by
> it at first. now can't stop listening.

Schleep is fantastic!! I too, was lukewarm to it at first, but it has
definitely grown on me. Much like Rockbottom did many years ago. I know
this would be heresy in some quarters, but I think Schleep may even
supplant RockBottom as the quintessential Wyatt album.

Rich

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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 13:08:53 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: feldman

On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, stephen drury wrote:

> I agree wholeheartedly with Joe Zitt on Feldman's PIANO AND STRING QUARTET,
> and also the ...AND ORCHESTRA collection.  But how did Joe miss "FOR MORTON
> FELDMAN" on HatArt?  Extraordinary piece; strongest impact of any Feldman I
> know.

"For Morton Feldman"? The only piece of that name that I know of is by (I
think) Stephen Mosko.

Hmm... You might mean "For Christian Wolff"? I haven't heard it, not being
able to convince myself to shell out the US$60 or so for it. (Anyone wanna
sell a used copy?)
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 17:54:44 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: SCHLEEP

Keith McMullen wrote:
>
> anyone out there listening to Robert Wyatt's latest? was kind of put off by
> it at first. now can't stop listening. is surely the first recording on
> which both Brian Eno and Evan Parker appear?

For a strange Parker tidbit, there's a Scott Walker album with both Evan
Parker and Billy Ocean?! Now there's an odd combination!

                -Tom Pratt

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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:49:15 -0800
From: "Keith McMullen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: SCHLEEP

>For a strange Parker tidbit, there's a Scott Walker album with both Evan
>Parker and Billy Ocean?! Now there's an odd combination!
>
> -Tom Pratt


How is Scott Walker?

K.


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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:37:18 -0500
From: stephen drury <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:feldman

At 01:31 AM 3/29/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 02:44:02 EST
>From: JonAbbey2 <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: feldman
>OK, now maybe I'm completely off base here, but I don't think there is a
>Feldman piece called FOR MORTON FELDMAN. My guess is that Mr. Drury is
>referring to FOR BUNITA MARCUS which is also one of my favorite Feldman discs.
>
Of course, not FOR MORTON FELDMAN.  What I had in mind was FOR SAMUEL
BECKETT.  The two have become one person in my deteriorating mind.


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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 01:09:21 EST
From: [e-mail] (Geoff S Gersh)
Subject: Peter Thomas

anyone familiar with Peter Thomas' Sound Orchestra??

he did music for film in the late 60's/early 70's.....the music I heard
was for elec. guitar,drums, bass, brass, electronics, voice......had
elements of jazz, lounge/exotica, spacy elec. sounds, even early hints of
drum n bass!!

I heard some of his music from the film Chariots of the Gods on Spinning
on Air, a radio show in NYC, the other night.....its pretty wild stuff.

Im just curious if anyone knows about his work...and if hes still around.
Im sure Zorn must know of him!

later
G.Gersh

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:11:52 -0500
From: "A. David Gross" <[e-mail]>
Subject: SKIF2

Bliss Records
          36 Plaza Street East Brooklyn, NY 11238
             [phone]   www.skifnyc.com
For Immediate Release:   Contact: Katie Down
                     [phone]
SKIF2
(The Second Annual Sergey Kuryokhin International Festival)
New, avant-garde and experimental music - May 6 through 10, 1998
From May 6th through the 10th, 1998,  Bliss Records in association with
The Russian-American Cultural Forum  are pleased to announce
The Second Annual Sergey Kuryokhin International Festival (SKIF2),
celebrating the life and work of the innovative Russian
pianist/composer/actor Sergey Kuryokhin (1954 - 1996).
In January, 1997, cellist and composer Boris Rayskin organized the 11-day
Sergey Kuryokhin International Interdisciplinary Festival (SKIIFestival) in
New York City dedicated to the memory of Sergey Kuryokhin.
Tragically, Boris's life ended soon after the festival.  SKIF2 is dedicated
in his memory.
SKIF2 will once again bring together many artists with whom Kuryokhin
collaborated, as well those close to his creative spirit, to perform in this
eclectic musical celebration. The festival will showcase the most cutting
edge avant-garde, jazz, and experimental rock musicians from Russia, the
United States and Europe including:
"Silver Apples", "Tequila Jazz", "Kolibri", Rashied Ali, Marilyn Crispell,
"Tri-O", Vladimir Tarasov, Sakari Luoma, Yudanov and Katz, David Soldier,
"White Out", Borah Bergman, Cyro Baptista, "Vershki da Koreshki", "The
Slackers", Volkov-Trio, Spectre and Sensational, Ned Rothenberg, Anatole
Gerasimov, Aleksey Khvostenko, William Hooker, DJ-Olive + WE, Peter Brotzman
and special guest artist Chico Freeman and many more.
Daniel Rayskin, Boris's Brother will perform a special piece dedicated to
his late brother.
"SKIF2", will be held at the best venues of New York City:  THE COOLER, CAMI
HALL, MERKIN HALL, and the ELBOW ROOM. The festival  will be an opportunity
for further collaboration between Russian, European and American performers
who will share their music with New York audiences.
SKIF2 is produced by Bliss Records in Association with The Russian-American
Cultural Forum. Artistic Direction for the festival is provided by Seva
Gakkel, chairman of the Board of The Sergey Kuryokhin Foundation, St.
Petersburg, Russia, and Anatole Gerasimov.
For more information call the SKIF HOTLINE at [phone]
or check out the web site at  www.skifnyc.com
PEace & lOve
David Gross
Bliss Records
http://www.skifnyc.com

PEace & lOve
David Gross
Bliss Records
http://www.skifnyc.com


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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:05:03 +0200
From: [e-mail] (Chris Genzel)
Subject: M.E. Miller / Charles K. Noyes

 Through "Locus Solus" and the first Golden Palominos album, I became interested
 in Mark (M.E.) Miller. I know he's on the Material "Live From Soundscape" CD,
 but I can't distinguish him from Moss and Noyes on this set.
 What can you tell me about Miller? What recordings of his are available and
 recommended? Is he still active?

 The same question goes for Charles K. Noyes -- I love his appearance on
 "Memory Serves" and I also have "Improvised Music New York 1981".

 Kind regards,
 - Chris.


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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:53:49 +0200 (MESZ)
From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Peter Thomas

well i guess most of you guys already know that..
Peter Thomas is a german filmcomposer...he had his most active period in
the 60s and 70s when he did the music for german crime films and sci-fi
stuff... he worked alot for tv also...
he is still active today and will soon release a new CD called "warped
back to earth" which will feature guys from Tortoise, Mouse on mars,
Pulp, Stock-hausen and Walkman etc.
some really important musicians such as Klaus Doldinger (passport) and
Jan Hammer started their carreers playing in his sound-orchester.

there is a peter thomas sample on the new PULP single and Mr. Bungle did
cover versions of some of his stuff on the Disco Volante tour...

some CDs out at the moment:

RAUMPATROUILLE - amazing, essential the BEST

FILMMUSIK - GREAT STUFF!!

100% COTTON - well ok but not essential

CHARIOTS OF THE GODS - i guess that one was not rereleased on CD

STEINER, THE IRON CROSS pt. 2 - pretty normal filmmusic...

THUNDER ON THE BORDERLINE - music for a german western movie, nice

EASY LOUNGIN` - nice compilation for the start

KRIMINALFILMMUSIK - dont have it yet but similar to FILMMUSIK

hope that helps

BJOERN

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:25:06 +1000
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: the far side

Is Bill Frisell's music for Tales From The Far Side available on any of his
releases?


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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:19:52 +1000
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Naked City

> Okay, who out there knows ALL the Naked City records, and what can you
> tell me about each one?

Naked City - a big mixture of jazzy stuff, bluesy stuff and a bit of thrash
here and there. Probably the best one to start on - it includes covers of
James Bond, Lonely Woman by Ornette Coleman and the brilliant Contempt by
George Delerue, among others.

Grand Guignol - one long noisy track followed by a bunch of classical
covers (Debussy, Scriabin, Messaien, Ives and Di Lassus) and then a whole
lot of "thrash jazz" - short bursts of energy with heavy guitars, saxophone
squealing and Eye screaming his lungs out. These pieces have got titles
like Pigfucker, which is an added bonus.

Torture Garden - all material on this disc overlaps from the last two - it
includes the whole thrash jazz section from Grand Guignol and some of the
heavier tracks from Naked City.

Radio - probably the most fun album - included is a list of influences for
each track which is supposed to help you figure out where the band is
coming from in each piece (it rarely helps). There are a lot of fully
cohesive tracks here. But just in the first few tracks there are elements
of funk, freejazz, classical, metal, bebop, surf and rockabilly.

Absinthe - ambient soundscapes perhaps? I don't know how to describe this.
Apparently, they set out to make noises that you wouldn't easily recognise.


Heretic - noisy tracks with smaller groups from the band getting together
and feeding off each other. Lots of squealing, screaming and fucking about.

Leng Tche - a torturous slow heavy piece, over 30 minutes in length. It
depicts a chinese torture and so in the middle there is a lot of screaming.
There are (very) sustained chords, very few chord changes though. You
shouldn't listen to this while watching the counter on your cd player.

Well, that's all of them I guess. By the way, this is a really cool thing
to do to if you want to waste some time.


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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:14:52 +1000
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: the far side

> Is Bill Frisell's music for Tales From The Far Side available on any of
his
> releases?

Well, here I go answering my own question. After a bit of looking I found
"Quartet". But a followup question: is this cd basically a soundtrack to
the animation, or is there other stuff on there too?


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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:44:50 -0500
From: "Chris B{rrett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: the far side

His CD Quartet w/ Eyvind Kang, Ron MIles and (wow, I can't remember the
fourth person) has several tracks from the Far Side (though I missed the
special, so I don't know if these are the actual recordings).  I don't have
it yet, but Gone Like a Train also has some tracks that I know were on
Quartet.

- -Chris

At 8:25 PM 3/30/98, Julian wrote:
>Is Bill Frisell's music for Tales From The Far Side available on any of his
>releases?
>
>
>-



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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:09:47 -0600 (CST)
From: "Robert A. Pleshar" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Charles K. Noyes

Speaking of Mr. Noyes-

Does anyone have a copy of his album. I think it's called "The World and the
Raw People" or something like that?  If so, is anyone willing to tape it for
me? (or even sell or trade it?) I remember playing it on the radio a lot and
enjoying it a lot, but never got around to taping it.

Ralph


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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:12:11 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:feldman

On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, stephen drury wrote:

> Of course, not FOR MORTON FELDMAN.  What I had in mind was FOR SAMUEL
> BECKETT.  The two have become one person in my deteriorating mind.

Ah! I haven't heard the HatArt recording to which you referred, but I've
heard the other one (was it on Newport Classics?). It's not one of my
favorites, though it's a good example of his dense large-ensemble works,
in the same class as Neither and the "... and Orchestra" series. -



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