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Zorn List Digest Friday, March 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 278
In this issue:
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re: freejazz/general noise
Re: L.CRUSH/EPHRON/L. TRIBE
JPatton/JZorn
Re[333]: record-recommendations needed
Re: Peter Gunn
Re: freejazz/general noise
Re: Musique Concete
Re: Musique Concete
Re: Turkish Music
Re: record-recommendations needed
Korean Music
Re[2]: trombone (was: freejazz/general noise )
WUNH DURHAM 91.3fm jazz/modern reports Mar 30 1998
Re: Korean Music
Re[2]: Korean Music
Re: Marc Ducret
Re[2]: trombone (was: freejazz/general noise )
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 03:58:36 EST
From: gsg@juno.com (Geoff S Gersh)
Subject: re: freejazz/general noise
check out:
Jim Staley
Stuart Dempster
two very fine t-bone players......Dempster has a book out thats pretty
much all about extended trombone techniques
G. Gersh
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 04:09:59 EST
From: Dgasque <Dgasque@aol.com>
Subject: Re: L.CRUSH/EPHRON/L. TRIBE
In a message dated 98-03-25 07:44:30 EST, you (hulinare@bemberg.com.ar) wrote:
<< Is there any more "heavy on the funk" out there? >>
If it hasn't been mentioned, ye should look for anything by Defunkt. Crazy
stuff...
=dgasque=
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:15:12 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: JPatton/JZorn
Is there anywhere on the net to hear samples from "Minor Swing"?
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:26:54 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: Re[333]: record-recommendations needed
> ken nordine
<<This guy's work is entirely singular and *amazing*! He performs on
Wilner's Disney tribute with Frisell and Horvitz: also on the new Poe
tribute. There's a fine compilation CD, think its called 'Best of Word
Jazz Vol. 1'. Still doing new work, but dunno if its too easy to find.
>>
His "Colors" album was re-released by Asphodel. And there was that Best of Word
Jazz, which asctually has some really cool stories. It's all coming back to me
now... But the best were his Word Jazz radio shows. Absolute classics. I have
some old tapes somewhere...
> jean-claude risset
If I'm not mistaken he has at least one piece on that Wergo Computer Music
Currents disc set I mentioned. They're for sale at Forced Exposure. Get 'em
all, except maybe 11. Anyway, there's descriptions of the artists and pieces,
so you can see which he's on. If it's 1, 4 or 6, it's a super-fantastic disc
and you can't go wrong.
> les baxter
<<Look for the Tikitunes CD: Tak Shindo's "M'ganga" and Baxter's "African
Jazz" - and set the controls for the heart of the darkness...
>>
Also, Capitol just released a 2CD comp of his stuff, which I've been told is
pretty representative.
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:06:03 +0100
From: stamil@t-online.de (Chris Genzel)
Subject: Re: Peter Gunn
> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:06:32 +1100 (EST)
> From: James Douglas Knox <s9606487@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
> Subject: Re: (MANCINI'S) PETER GUNN
>
> On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 hulinare@bemberg.com.ar wrote:
>
> > Would anyone tell me about any groups or ensembles that played Henry
> > Mancini's Peter Gunn?
> > I listened to it last night in a local TV Show and it was great; rather
> > fast, very well played, and there were reeds.
There's a version on the Blues Brothers soundtrack album, though I don't know
whether it's the Mancini original or if it's played by the Blues Brothers band.
- Chris.
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:19:45 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: freejazz/general noise
On Fri, 27 Mar 1998 03:58:36 EST Geoff S Gersh wrote:
>
> check out:
>
> Jim Staley
>
> Stuart Dempster
>
> two very fine t-bone players......Dempster has a book out thats pretty
> much all about extended trombone techniques
Also add GENTLE HARM OF BOURGEOISIE by Paul Rutherford, recently reissued on
Emanem. A classic of improv with extended techniques.
Berio wrote one of his SEQUENZIA for trombone. Often cited as a model of
what can be done to extend the way of playing this instrument.
Vinko Globokar is a contemporary composer who happens also to be a trombone
player. He has many compositions for brass, and specially trombone.
I would like to mention Nicolas Collins, but his usage of the "trombone
propelled electronics" has little to do with trombone playing :-).
Patrice.
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:23:13 -0800
From: George Grella <george_grella@pop3.decisionanalytics.com>
Subject: Re: Musique Concete
Here are some details on the CDs I mentioned before;
"Electro--Acoustic Music: Classics"
Neuma 450-74
Varese: "Poeme Electronique"
Babbitt: "Phonemena," "Philomel"
Reynolds: "Transfigured Wind IV"
Xenaxis: "Mycenae-Alpha"
As far as I know, this is the only CD with the recording of Poeme
Electronique currently in print.
"Vladimir Ussachevsky, Film Music"
NWW 80389-2
Suite from "No Exit" - film by Orson Welles from Sartre
Line of Apogee - experimental film by Lloyd Williams
I don't have it, but my CRi catalogue lists CD 611, American Master:
Electronic, which has pieces by Ussachevsky and Otto Luening.
gg
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:38:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: Musique Concete
On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, George Grella wrote:
> "Electro--Acoustic Music: Classics"
> Neuma 450-74
>
> As far as I know, this is the only CD with the recording of Poeme
> Electronique currently in print.
one-way records, a sony-related spin-off, recently issued
_the music of edgard varese_ on cd, which features "poeme electronique".
evidently this is only one album of the cbs (or columbia?) double lp of
the same name.
b
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:03:29 -0800
From: George Grella <george_grella@pop3.decisionanalytics.com>
Subject: Re: Turkish Music
> As someone who has played Balinese gamelan music, I can tell you that
> hardly any of it is improvised. In fact it is some of the most formal
> music around. Only a small portion of the melody lines are improvised
> and those are very strictly based on the melodies inherhent in the
> piece. john
>
I think this opens up some interesting territory on the state and place
of music in the West and elsewhere. Improvisation in the West, outside
of jazz, has become almost fetishized in a way, certainly made up of
cult-like practioners and cult-like followers [and I don't mean that in
a perjorative way, I would number myself a member]. In other parts of
the world, improvisation is such a basic part of the music, of the
practice of the music, that it is an implicit part of a musician's
training. This used to be the case in the West, where musicians who
couldn't improvise idiomatically were not considered musicians.
It's not the amount of improvisation that matters, IMO, but the nature
of it. I think what John writes complements, not contradicts, the
improvisational basis of Gamelan, and other, music. While there may not
have been a lot of improvisation in the playing he was involved in [and
there are modern pieces that do involve improvisation in performance],
there was improvisation in the gestation of the piece and, if it was
traditional, there was some improvisation involved in the aural passing
along of the music. And the piece called for idiomatic improvisation,
even just a small bit, a lot like baroque era performance of Western
music, or Flamenco. I can't think of any non-Western music, off the top
of my head, that does not involved the training of its musicians in
idiomatic improvisation as a basis, not a specialty, of their playing.
Which makes me think of Derek Bailey's book, "Improvisation," which is a
great introduction to many kinds of improvisation around the world.
Anybody else here know it?
gg
- -
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:20:54 -0800
From: George Grella <george_grella@pop3.decisionanalytics.com>
Subject: Re: record-recommendations needed
I just started subscribing to this list, and I am so thankful for the
fresh perspective on things in here. I've been writing in a classical
list how stodgy, snobby audiences are killing American symphonies, and
that people who come from listening to more rock based music are
interested in hearing the living repertoire. Reading everyone here
confirms that for me.
> since this turns more and more into a zorn-list + a forum for
> non-mainstream music i want to ask for some record-recommendations :
>
I like reading this "non-mainstream" label because it has several layers
of irony. Some of the composers I can comment on here are definitely in
the grand mainstream of Western classical music, they are living and
working today at the point the stream had reached from its long
progression through the centuries. But people who claim to love
classical music often recject this music for, yes, being
non-mainstream. Bizarre! Anyway:
sofia gubaidulina
john adams
louis andriessen
Late 20th century composers. Someone mentioned the Naxos recording for
Gubaidulina, and I concur. A super-bargain and good performances of her
work. A lot of people lump her into the Easter Mystic mold, and there
certainly is a liturgical quality to a lot of her work, but it's also
far freer in form and tonality than Part and the popular works of
Gorecki.
John Adams is maybe the leading American composer right now. He comes
out of the Minimalist style, but was never as strict with it as Glass or
Reich; he acknowledges an artistic debt to Mahler and Sibelius, the
former for his Romantic aesthetic and the latter for his great, tonal
resonance. "Shaker Loops" is probably his most recorded work, and his
"Violin Concerto" won the Gravemeyer prize, which is the Nobel of music,
but his best piece is probably "Harmonielehre," which is now part of the
standard orchestral repertoire. It is literally stunning. There's a
great recording on ECM, but a good and more generous one on EMI, which
adds three shorter works. If you picked up that and a Nonesuch CD with
"Chamber Symphony" and "Grand Pianola Music," you'd have a great and
deep survey of his work.
Louis Andriessen is a Duthc Minimalist composer. He has a very
political aesthetic and can be very witty in his music. He's been a big
infnce on the Bang on a Can founders. His most famous piece is "De
Staat," which is on CD, and there's also a good CD available with two
pieces, "De Stijd," and "M is for Man, Music and Mozart," which he wrote
for a short Peter Greenaway film.
gg
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 09:49:29 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Korean Music
Listening last evening to the (under-mentioned) album 'SXL-Into the
Outlands' and having recently listened to the fine record by
SamulNori, 'Record of Changes', I got to wondering about other music
by Korean musicians those on this list might recommend.
I'm familiar with the work of Sang Won Park, Jin Hi Kim and (somewhat)
with Kang Tae Hwan (his duet with that Mongolian singer whose name I
can never accurately spell, and with which I wasn't overly impressed).
I'm sure, however, there's a lot I'm missing, both that which is
ethnically Korean and jazz or improv based.
Any thoughts?
PS. Still haven't heard any yeas or nays on the new Lucas CD on
Tzasdik. C'mon, _somebody_ must've gotten this by now!
Brian Olewnick
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:19:13 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: Re[2]: trombone (was: freejazz/general noise )
Doesn't Ellery Eskilin play a trombone? At least on the Barondown stuff, I
thought. Not exactly Noisy, or extended technique, but good stuff nonetheless.
Peter
____________________Reply Separator____________________
Subject: Re: freejazz/general noise
Author: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
Date: 03/27/1998 11:19 AM
On Fri, 27 Mar 1998 03:58:36 EST Geoff S Gersh wrote:
>
> check out:
>
> Jim Staley
>
> Stuart Dempster
>
> two very fine t-bone players......Dempster has a book out thats pretty
> much all about extended trombone techniques
Also add GENTLE HARM OF BOURGEOISIE by Paul Rutherford, recently reissued on
Emanem. A classic of improv with extended techniques.
Berio wrote one of his SEQUENZIA for trombone. Often cited as a model of
what can be done to extend the way of playing this instrument.
Vinko Globokar is a contemporary composer who happens also to be a trombone
player. He has many compositions for brass, and specially trombone.
I would like to mention Nicolas Collins, but his usage of the "trombone
propelled electronics" has little to do with trombone playing :-).
Patrice.
- -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:45:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Richard E Ladew <rladew@hopper.unh.edu>
Subject: WUNH DURHAM 91.3fm jazz/modern reports Mar 30 1998
Greetings to All! Sorry for the down time...Just got back from a trip to
the West Coast.
WUNH DURHAM 91.3fm Jazz/Modern/Improvised report
Airplay is based on PCP House of Coffee (2 hrs Tues 10-midnight),
Gen Programming (aPPROX 2-3 HRS), AND jAZZ (1-2 HRS)
(Artist)
(Title)
(Label)
1. David Slusser
Delight at the end of the tunnel
Tzadik
2.Marty Ehrlich and Ben Goldberg
Light at the end of the tunnel
Songlines
3.Buckethead
Colma
Cyberoctave
4.Marc Ducret
Un Certain Malaise
Screwgun
5.Jon Lindberg Ensemble
Bounce
Black Saint
6.Malachi Thompson
47th St
Delmark
7.William Hooker
Great Sunset
Warm-O-Brisk
8.Robert Mazurek
Playground
Delmark
9.John Zorn
Filmworks VIII
Tzadik
10.Arto Lindsay
Noon Chill
Bar/None
All mailings/inquiries/etc:
WUNH Durham / PCP House of Coffee
Rich Ladew: Jazz/Modern director
Memorial Union Building (MUB)
UNH
Durham New Hampshire 03824
(603) 862 2087
(603) 659 1732
rladew@hopper.unh.edu
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:44:26 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Korean Music
>>>>> "brian" == brian olewnick <brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu> writes:
brian> Listening last evening to the (under-mentioned) album
brian> 'SXL-Into the Outlands' and having recently listened to the
brian> fine record by SamulNori, 'Record of Changes', I got to
brian> wondering about other music by Korean musicians those on
brian> this list might recommend.
brian> I'm familiar with the work of Sang Won Park, Jin Hi
brian> Kim and (somewhat) with Kang Tae Hwan (his duet with that
brian> Mongolian singer whose name I can never accurately spell,
brian> and with which I wasn't overly impressed). I'm sure,
brian> however, there's a lot I'm missing, both that which is
brian> ethnically Korean and jazz or improv based.
brian> Any thoughts?
SamulNori has a cd on ECM with a jazz group Red Sun, called Then Comes
the White Tiger, which is very nice, more subtle than SXL. More info
at http://ecmrecords.com/ecm/recordings/1499.html.
Then there's always Ground Zero Consume Red, which features Kim Suk
Chul on hojok...
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 13:07:03 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Re[2]: Korean Music
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Korean Music
Author: <cdeupree@interagp.com > at SMTP-for-MSSM
Date: 3/27/98 12:44 PM
Then there's always Ground Zero Consume Red, which features Kim Suk
Chul on hojok...
Yeah, forgot about him; odd since 'Consume Red' was my favorite
release of last year. I looked around a bit for other records by/with
him but had no luck. If anyone knows of any, I'd appreciate it.
Brian Olewnick
- -
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:26:27 +0100
From: "Olivier Nguyen Van Tan" <onvt@micronet.fr>
Subject: Re: Marc Ducret
Julien,
I had the chance to see Marc Ducret several times in a lot of project, the
past two years. And obviously, this Ducret Trio was the worst for me also
(at Sons d'hiver). I really hate this drummer (Echampard) and Ducret just
looks like a poor guitar heroe who would have forget improvisation and
feeling... It all boils down to playing a lot of notes all over his
guitar... Too bad for us !
The best gig I saw of Ducret was a Details-like gig : solo acoustic guitar
that was really great. With a lot a emotion, without guitar-freak gizmo.
I just hope Ducret will go back to improvisation or/and avant-garde because
hard-jazz-rock sucks !! ;)
Olivier, fennec parmi les Fennecs
Le Site Web du Fennec pour les musiques creatives
http://www.fennec.digiweb.fr
ps: nevertheless, Details is a GREAT album.
- -----Message d'origine-----
>Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:31:18 +0100
>From: Julien Quint <julien.quint@xrce.xerox.com>
>Subject: Marc Ducret (then Keith Tippett)
>
>Funny there's a discussion about Marc Ducret right now... I have mixed
>feelings about him since yesterday.
>
>I don't know much of his stuff but what I had heard so far was very good --
>his playing in Caos Totale and also a few pieces I heard on the radio some
>time ago of solo electric guitar where he would make a very interesting use
>of distortion -- but yesterday night he was playing a show in my city for a
>jazz festival as a leader and that was appalling.
>
>Ducret's sound on guitar was irritating at best, with lots of reverb (not a
>good thing when you do start/stops), the compositions were pretty lazy and
>very long, with lenghty stretches of improvisation that didn't go anywhere,
>and his playing was so sufficient and guitar-hero-like. He was only
>listening to himself playing, not to the other players (which is a pity
>because Bruno Chevillon played upright bass, and *he* was very good,
>unfortunately the star was Ducret.) I've seen more interesting heavy metal
>shows; here there was no dynamics, and the only images that this music
>brought were those of a big guy in tight pants playing guitar. Reminded me
>of Nigel Tufnel's solo in Spinal Tap, except his was funnier.
- -
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:39:16 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re[2]: trombone (was: freejazz/general noise )
No, Ellery Eskelin plays tenor sax. It's Steve Swell who is playing
trombone on the Barondown stuff. Which, by the way, is a pretty good disc
(Raised Pleasure Dot)...
Dan
>Doesn't Ellery Eskilin play a trombone? At least on the Barondown stuff, I
>thought. Not exactly Noisy, or extended technique, but good stuff
>nonetheless.
>
>Peter
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