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Zorn List Digest       Thursday, March 26 1998       Volume 02 : Number 277



In this issue:
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       Re: Turkish music
       Re: Surrender to the Air
       Re: Russian composers
       Re: Musique Concrete
       record-recommendations needed
       Horvitz
       Re: Electronic Music Festivals in France & musique concrete
       Re: keith jarrett-lou harrison
       .....
       Re: Surrender to the Air
       Re: .....
       Re: record-recommendations needed
       Re: kristallnacht
       (re)...
       Free Jazz/General noise
       Re: record-recommendations needed
       Re: kristallnacht
       Re: Russian composers
       Re: Electronic Music Festivals in France & musique concrete

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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:14:04 -0600
From: John Howard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Turkish music

As someone who has played Balinese gamelan music, I can tell you that
hardly any of it is improvised.  In fact it is some of the most formal
music around. Only a small portion of the melody lines are improvised
and those are very strictly based on the melodies inherhent in the
piece.    john


> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:25:40 -0800
> From: George Grella <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: Turkish music
>
> > Non-western improv in general -- tall order.  Would you consider
> > Nusrat improvisational?  And there's a whole bunch of Japanese free
> > improv listed at http://www2.gol.com/users/miyuki/index.html.
> >
>
> If you're looking for non-western improvisation, go to a record store
> section that features traditional non-western music [non-pop], close
> your eyes and point at something.  Improvisation is a basis for pretty
> much every non-western style.  In general, try Gnawa music from
> Morocco,
> Gamelan music, all Indian music [yes, Nusrat is highly
> improvisational].  If you're looking for totally free improvisation
> though, that is pretty much a 20th century western thing.
>
> As other people have mentioned, there is a lot of recordings combining
> jazz players and non-western improvisation, or western players
> improvising non-western music.  May I mention Codona, Glen Velez, lots
> of Don Cherry, and many of the recent Butch Morris conduction series.
>
> gg
>
>
> - -
>
>

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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:18:48 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Surrender to the Air

At 4:31 AM -0600 3/26/98, Nils Jacobson wrote:
>A fine record deserving attention.  I agree about this.
>
>Doug McKay <[e-mail]> writes:
>> Players: Marshall Allen, Trey Anastasio, Kofi Burbridge, Oteil Burbridge,
>> Damon R. Choice, Jon Fishman, Bob Gulloti, James Harvey, John Medeski,
>> Michael Ray, Marc Ribot.
>
>You will note the weird combination of Sun Ra alumni with Phish-heads.
>And wasn't Oteil in the Allman Brothers?

Oteil is/was in the Allman Brothers Band recently but before that he was in
the Aquarium Rescue Unit which used to be headed by Col. Bruce Hampton
(retired).  Kofi is his brother.  I only wonder who Bob Gulloti is...
anyone know?

I have to agree that this record is "A fine record deserving attention."

Dan



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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:39:11 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: Russian composers

At 8:33 AM 3/26/98, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>> (snip)
>> >
>> > There is also a great CD on New World Records of film scores by Vladimir
>> > Ussachevsky.  I would urge this one on anybody.
>> >
>> This sounds wild! Could you maybe post the titles of the films these
>> scores were for?
>
>When I read this, I got an association with the Russian composer who did the
>scores for Stalker and Solaris. His name is Edward Artemyev. I haven't heard
>the scores, but can someone tell me whether these are any good, and whether
>they are available?
>
>Frankco.

I have only heard them as part of the films, but I'd love to have them on
disc. These are amazing scores, to equally amazing films.

________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : [e-mail]  : www.peak.org/~improv/

"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
                                            -Sun Ra
________________________________________________________



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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:39:08 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: Musique Concrete

At 4:59 PM 3/26/98, James Douglas Knox wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, George Grella wrote:
>
>(snip)
>>
>> There is also a great CD on New World Records of film scores by Vladimir
>> Ussachevsky.  I would urge this one on anybody.
>>
>This sounds wild! Could you maybe post the titles of the films these
>scores were for?

The films were No Exit (1962), Orson Welles film of Sartre's play, and Line
of Apogee (1967), by Lloyd Williams. This is a fantastic disc, parts of it
very conventionally melodic and beautiful, parts very noisy. It is
surprisingly similar to some of Aphex Twin's ambient works, only better
composed and recorded about 30 years earlier. When I play this for friends
who are into ambient stuff, they are generally amazed that it was recorded
in the 60's.

________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : [e-mail]  : www.peak.org/~improv/

"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
                                            -Sun Ra
________________________________________________________



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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:16:47 +0100 (MEZ)
From: BJOERN <[e-mail]>
Subject: record-recommendations needed

since this turns more and more into a zorn-list + a forum for
non-mainstream music i want to ask for some record-recommendations :

peter ablinger
sofia gubaidulina
ken nordine
john adams
jean jaques perrey
louis andriessen
jean-claude risset
eden ahbez
harry breuer
les baxter

thanx in advance

BJOERN
http://www.cityinfonetz.de/uni/homepage/bjoern.eichstaedt

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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 98 16:47:16 -0300
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Horvitz

Anyone has recommendation on Wayne Horvitz's Pigpen "Daylight"?

- -Hugo

- -

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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:46:51 +0100
From: "Olivier Nguyen Van Tan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Electronic Music Festivals in France & musique concrete

Hi,

I would like to add this festival about "musique concrete" and mixed music
In France at "les Instants Chavires" from March, 24th to 28th...
Maybe, it is less "maintstream" than the two other you mention but it is
also to celebrate the pioneering works of descendants of
Pierre Schaeffer...

(if maintsream can be applied to these musics   ;)   )



(it 's right  now  in Paris !!)


========================================================

Symphonie de bruits
Musiques mixtes et concrΦtes

Concerts dans le cadre de " La Musique concrΦte jubile α Montreuil "
En collaboration avec le Centre Pierre Schaeffer (Montreuil)

========================================================



More details on :
Le Site Web du Fennec pour les musiques creatives
http://www.fennec.digiweb.fr
(in French, sorry)


Olivier, fennec parmi les Fennecs



ps: why French have always been extremely supportive of this kind of music ?
maybe because of the IRCAM and Pierre Boulez in the 70░s and some funds by
the French government...







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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:56:54 -0800
From: George Grella <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: keith jarrett-lou harrison

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> i`m looking for information on Keith Jarrett`s  "Piano Concerto / Suite
> for Violin, Piano and Small Orchestra, (Lou Harrison)". I saw this CD in
> the "Tower", but because of their new "yellow label" policy i can listen
> to it only if i`m buying the CD, so before i do it, i`d like to know if
> it`s worth buying?
> any opinion will be appreciated.
>

Coincidentally, I was listening to this CD last night.  If you like Lou
Harrison, this is an excellent recording.  If you're not familiar with
his music, it is highly, even beautifully melodic, highly rhythmic, and
is great part is based on Asian, especially Indonesian, scales and
sonorities.  Harrison also is interested in alternate tunings,
especially Even-Tempered tuning, and the pieces on this CD use that.
You can clearly hear the contrast in the Piano Concerto between the
orchestra, Well-Tempered, and the piano, Even-Tempered.  Go for it!

gg


- -

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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:27:57 EST
From: FUNKADELlC <[e-mail]>
Subject: .....

how the hell do i contact john zorn?
- -cory sklar

- -

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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:53:03 -0500
From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Surrender to the Air

Dan Hewins wrote:

> Oteil is/was in the Allman Brothers Band recently but before that he was in
> the Aquarium Rescue Unit which used to be headed by Col. Bruce Hampton
> (retired).  Kofi is his brother.  I only wonder who Bob Gulloti is...
> anyone know?

Bob was a member of the grand daddy of improvised jazz in Boston, a band
called The Fringe. It was a Sax, Bass and Drums trio, but they had a
sonic pallette that went way beyond the instrumentation. They had been
around for quite a few years when I first heard them around 1977, If I
remember though, Bob left before they did most(all?) of their records.

Rich



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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:00:07 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Douglas Tapia)
Subject: Re: .....

>how the hell do i contact john zorn?
>-cory sklar
>
>-
Take the blood of a virgin goat.  With that blood, draw a pentagram on the
ground.  Place a candle at each point. . .

OH, you said John ZORN.  My mistake.  .-}



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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:32:15 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: record-recommendations needed

On Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:16:47 +0100 (MEZ)  BJOERN wrote:
>
> since this turns more and more into a zorn-list + a forum for
> non-mainstream music i want to ask for some record-recommendations :
>
> peter ablinger
> sofia gubaidulina

She has an amazing record on Naxos. Most of the pieces are written for some kind
of russian accordeon and strings. The atmosphere on most of the pieces is
particularly intense and ominous.

It was my first exposure to her work and is still my favorite record with her
compositions (and it is really cheap).

> ken nordine
> john adams

SHAKER LOOPS is my favorite composition by him. He was initially very influenced
by the minimalists (Glass, Reich, etc), and SHAKER LOOPS comes from that
period. In the past ten years, he has shown himself as an amazing orchestrator,
but nothing from him has really excited me in a while.

> jean jaques perrey
> louis andriessen
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I have failed to find anything by him more than just interesting. In fact, I
don't remember anybody being really crazy of Andriessen's music. By saying
that I am sure somebody will stand up and openly disagree :-).

> jean-claude risset
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Risset has not a lot on records, if I remember well. He has been more involved
with research and management than with writing music :-).

He has a record on GRM that sounded to me more like a demo record to
show that his research on sound synthesis was working. Great music
artifacts also (such as sounds that seem to go up in pitch when in fact
they don't). To me, not very different from the demo records in the late
'50s to show stereo effects :-).

Risset has always shown more interest in the way of producing sounds that
composing, I believe.

    Patrice.

- -

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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:15:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: kristallnacht

On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Aaron Chee-Kean Chua wrote:

> how seriously should i take the warning in the
> liner notes re: hearing damage/ loss?

I don't know much about hearing loss.  I can tell you that I've found the
high frequencies on this track extremely painful on some stereos, but not
on others.  (Or maybe it's just that my ears have now been damaged enough
that it's no longer painful.)  My completely unreliable advice would be to
try listening to it.  If it hurts, stop and try again through earplugs.

Chris Hamilton


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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:32:45 -0800 (PST)
From: "Cappy D'Angelo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (re)...

To get John's phone number:

Have your ex-girlfriend get a summer scholarship to study piano in
Austria, have her call when she hears of a live performance of a new work
by Zorn at a local music festival - performed by the NY players and
conducted by Zorn himself - convince her that, even though she has no
interest in music written after the 1830's, she should get tickets and go
to the show - have her go to the show, then call you the next day to tell
you she met Zorn after the show and that he was very friendly and
talkative, that he autographed a programme for you, and gave her a page
of his score with his personal number in NYC...or at least that's how I
did it!

Cappy D'Angelo
Student at Law - Intellectual Property
Dabbler in Recording - Sonic Solutions Digital Editing and Mastering
Twanger of Guitar & Blower of Eb Horns of Alto & Bari Persuasion
Victoria, B.C., CANADA








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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:29:09 EST
From: HSpaceboy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Free Jazz/General noise

I've recently started a free jazz/noise ensemble.  I play trombone and
mellophone in the group.  I use distortion pedals on both horns and as such
when I would go into music stores to try out and purchase pedals invariably
someone would mention Zorn.  Up until about a week ago I had never listened to
any John Zorn.  I picked up Locus Solus and Nani Nani, I was blown away.  Zorn
is the only person I've ever listened to that does anything even close to what
I am doing with my own group.  Primarily I listen to noise, like Merzbow.
Anyway enough of that.  Does anyone have any ideas as to what  more I could do
to my trombone to get more interesting sounds out of it?

Also I am fortunate enough to be playing Ives Variations on America in my high
school symphonic band, it's such a great piece.
- -mark

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:06:11 +1100 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: record-recommendations needed

On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, BJOERN wrote:

> since this turns more and more into a zorn-list + a forum for
> non-mainstream music i want to ask for some record-recommendations :
>
> peter ablinger
> sofia gubaidulina
> ken nordine

This guy's work is entirely singular and *amazing*! He performs on
Wilner's Disney tribute with Frisell and Horvitz: also on the new Poe
tribute. There's a fine compilation CD, think its called 'Best of Word
Jazz Vol. 1'. Still doing new work, but dunno if its too easy to find.

 > john adams
> jean jaques perrey

This guy is just so incredibly inventive: excellent because, unlike many
experimental musicians, he's quite explicit about his work being dedicated
to the pursuit of fun and some kinda pleasure principle. And it is! Just
*freakin'* great. Get 'The Best of Perrey and Kingsley' (both of their
collaborative recs on one CD) and the 'Moog Indigo' re-issue. Haven't
heard any of his French LPs, but a friend is over there chasing some up
for me right now (I'll let you know how he's fared). Must be getting
on, but still working: most recent release is a collaboration with David
Chazram called 'Eclectricity'.

> louis andriessen
> jean-claude risset
> eden ahbez

Think he only did one record, "Eden's Island", recently re-issued on disc.
Totally unique proto-beat stuff from a genuine American original.

> harry breuer

Don't know if any of this guy's work has been re-issued on disc (yet). But
he did some collaborative work with Perrey that's probably great. Oh, and
did I mention, I just discovered that Perrey worked with *Angelo
Badalamenti* in the '60s (yep: that's his anglicized credit, Andy Badale,
you can read on those old LP sleeves!)

> les baxter

Look for the Tikitunes CD: Tak Shindo's "M'ganga" and Baxter's "African
Jazz" - and set the controls for the heart of the darkness...


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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:11:59 +1100 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: kristallnacht

On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Christopher Hamilton wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Aaron Chee-Kean Chua wrote:
>
> > how seriously should i take the warning in the
> > liner notes re: hearing damage/ loss?
>
> I don't know much about hearing loss.  I can tell you that I've found the
> high frequencies on this track extremely painful on some stereos, but not
> on others.  (Or maybe it's just that my ears have now been damaged enough
> that it's no longer painful.)  My completely unreliable advice would be to
> try listening to it.  If it hurts, stop and try again through earplugs.
>
Yes: what Chris says makes sense. If there are sounds happening at the
extreme of the human hearing range, then many stereos (and/or headphones)
won't be able to reproduce those sounds.

But - so far as I know - amplitude (volume) and exposure are the real
causes of hearing damage, rather than the frequency per se.


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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:14:14 +1100 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Russian composers

On Thu, 26 Mar 1998 [e-mail] wrote:

> > > There is also a great CD on New World Records of film scores by Vladimir
> > > Ussachevsky.  I would urge this one on anybody.
> > >
> > This sounds wild! Could you maybe post the titles of the films these
> > scores were for?
>
> When I read this, I got an association with the Russian composer who did the
> scores for Stalker and Solaris. His name is Edward Artemyev. I haven't heard
> the scores, but can someone tell me whether these are any good, and whether
> they are available?
>
This came up earlier this year. The scores are amazing in the context of
the films: don't imagine that coming off of a disc would change that. I
think the CD release was by EVA (??). Anyways, someone out there knows...>


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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:27:05 +1100 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Electronic Music Festivals in France & musique concrete

On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Olivier Nguyen Van Tan wrote:

(snip)
>=20
> ps: why French have always been extremely supportive of this kind of musi=
c ?
> maybe because of the IRCAM and Pierre Boulez in the 70=B0s and some funds=
 by
> the French government...
>=20
I think its also due the fact that musique concrete was, so far as I know,
essentially a french discovery - Pierres Schaeffer and Henri working at
the national broadcaster in the late 40s and beyond... Also, that the
governments of continental Europe seem quite jealous about protecting and
promoting their cultural heritage: France, maybe more so than other
nations.


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