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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #274
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, March 25 1998 Volume 02 : Number 274
In this issue:
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Re: Cobra
Re: Cobra
Re: (MANCINI'S) PETER GUNN
Re: Turkish music
MMW tapes
Re: Cobra>>>Phlegm
Re: marc ducret solo
L.CRUSH/EPHRON/L. TRIBE
bobby previte
RE: marc ducret solo
Bun Ching Lam - The Child God
RE: bobby previte
Electronic Music Festivals in France
New Game Pieces
Previte's Web Site
Filmworks VIII
Re: Electronic Music Festivals in France
Re: L.CRUSH/EPHRON/L. TRIBE
Re: New Game Pieces
Re: New Game Pieces
Re: (MANCINI'S) PETER GUNN
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:46:43 -0500
From: "Chris Barrett" <cbarrett@neaq.org>
Subject: Re: Cobra
I have a friend who works at the New England Conservatory who called me a
week and a half ago to tell me that they (students) were performing Cobra
at Jordan Hall that night, unfortunately I couldn't make it.
A couple of years ago I did see a student/faculty program of Zorn
compositions there that included preformances of Red Bird, Masada stuff and
some Naked City. At the end of the performance it turned out that Zorn was
in the audience the whole time. So it seems he condones performances of
his work, including Cobra.
- -Chris
At 09:39 PM 3/21/98 +1100, you wrote:
>A friend of mine told me she was a part of a performance similar to Cobra a
>few years ago, and I think they actually called it "John Zorn's Cobra". So
>what I am wondering is, is there any specific procedure for putting on one
>of these performances? Is it considered an infringement of copyright or
>something? I need information...
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:03:32 -0600
From: fate@telepath.com (Jon Mooneyham)
Subject: Re: Cobra
Actually, there's been a rash of Cobra performances here (Norman, OK)
through the channels of the OU Music School.I saw three different
performances of it one evening about a month ago (paired w/ two premiere
perfs of a Christian Wolff comp. for improv voices & instruments); the
instrumentation was fairly varied (lotsa vocals, the most adept improvs of
the bunch), with two of the perfs highly entertaining and one of 'em kinda
tentative and piddly.
And a friend called last week to clue me in to another perf. at OU
by some collegiate ensemble from Texas - I passed on this'un. But it
appears that Cobra's alive and well under academic auspices, anyway: who'da
thunk it?
>I have a friend who works at the New England Conservatory who called me a
>week and a half ago to tell me that they (students) were performing Cobra
>at Jordan Hall that night, unfortunately I couldn't make it.
>
>A couple of years ago I did see a student/faculty program of Zorn
>compositions there that included preformances of Red Bird, Masada stuff and
>some Naked City. At the end of the performance it turned out that Zorn was
>in the audience the whole time. So it seems he condones performances of
>his work, including Cobra.
>
>-Chris
>
>
>
>At 09:39 PM 3/21/98 +1100, you wrote:
>>A friend of mine told me she was a part of a performance similar to Cobra a
>>few years ago, and I think they actually called it "John Zorn's Cobra". So
>>what I am wondering is, is there any specific procedure for putting on one
>>of these performances? Is it considered an infringement of copyright or
>>something? I need information...
>>
- -
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:06:32 +1100 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <s9606487@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: (MANCINI'S) PETER GUNN
On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 hulinare@bemberg.com.ar wrote:
> Would anyone tell me about any groups or ensembles that played Henry
> Mancini's Peter Gunn?
> I listened to it last night in a local TV Show and it was great; rather
> fast, very well played, and there were reeds.
Haven't heard it, but I know Shelley Manne's version of Peter Gunn has
just been re-issued on disc. Most of Manne's work is pretty great (err:
to these ears, at least. Opinions differ in other quarters.)
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:15:26 -0800
From: Michael Howes <mhowes@best.com>
Subject: Re: Turkish music
>> Also, does anyone have any recommendations for
>> oud/Turkish music, or other non-western improvisational
>> music? I saw that Zorn mentioned some things on AAA
>> records, but I'm not familiar with that label. I'm less
>> concerned with getting an overview (like the Nonesuch
>> explorer things) as much as something that is just reaaly
>> good and rocks. Thanks in advance.
Over the last year or so I was turned on to some amazing Oud music and for
those in the Bay Area there is a show this weekend with quanun player Mimi
Spencer and Turkish oud player Necati Celik, some place in Hayes Valley.
Anything you can find by Necati Celik is amazing.
I tend to like the Turkish players I've heard a lot more than other middle
eastern players (but I learned this stuff froo a Turk) but another guy I
like is, Munir Bachir who is from Iraq if I remember right.
Some others that definitely rock are Munir Nurettin Beken from Turkey and
Matar Muhammad who actually plays the buzuq but it's really similar to an
oud.
I also sent this this email to my friend who I learned this from who is
now in Turkey playing with the Ankara (sp?) symphony and will probably get
more recommendations from her.
mike
mhowes@best.com
- -
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:25:06 -0600 (CST)
From: Matthew R Levitt <levi0082@tc.umn.edu>
Subject: MMW tapes
I've got plenty of MMW on dat and cassette. I'd be very interested
trading for zorn/knitting factory/tzadik artists.
-Matt
"In music the passions enjoy themselves" Nietzsche.
- -
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:27:16 +1100 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <s9606487@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Cobra>>>Phlegm
On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Julian wrote:
> Wow, it's good to see a name that rings a bell. I actually jammed with that
> Rob guy at a free improvisation thing called "Left Of Centre". I never
> realised he was in Phlegm. Are they any good?
>
Phlegm are fantastic: tho' sadly defunct at this point (I think). Third
member was Sydney postal worker and throat-singer-of-reknown, Rizzili. He
and Rob both have solo discs on the market.
- -
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:07:10 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: marc ducret solo
Fran Bacon wrote:
> I can't remember anyone sharing any opinions about the new Ducret
> electric solo on Screwgun....how does everyone (anyone) like it?
I'd think it's unlikely that anyone's heard it... Tim just received the
shipment last Friday (March 20, 1998), discs were forwarded to the
distributors on Saturday, and most of the critics got their copies just
yesterday, if our postal service is to be trusted.
> And he has an acoustic solo record too, right?...How's that?
Yup, "(d=E9tail)" on the Winter & Winter label. It's nice, very nice. A=
nd
different from the Screwgun disc.
> And earlier Ducret or other work as sideman (besides the obvious
> Berne/Bloodcount
> stuff)....
That I can't help you with. Ducret's stuff on Label Bleu is supposedly
carried by a major American distributor now (same as the distributor for
W&W) but damned if I can find any of their rekkids...
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/ssmith36/ducret.htm for more info, althou=
gh
I've a sneaking suspicion you've already been there...
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
Screwgun Shill.
- -
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 98 09:39:21 -0300
From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar
Subject: L.CRUSH/EPHRON/L. TRIBE
"Vog", ""Pineapple", "Slow Blues for Fuzy's Mama" and "122 St. Marks"
worth the price of LUNAR CRUSH. It's outstanding the performance of
drummers Jojo Mayer and Gene Lake as fantastic the groove of Fima Ephron
on electric & acoustic bass.
You can also check LOST TRIBE, for another incredible Fima Ephron's
session.
Is there any more "heavy on the funk" out there?
- -Hugo, from Argentina
- -
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:52:20 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: bobby previte
Can someone tell me what Bobby Previte's recordings are generally like,
particularly "My Man In Sydney" and "Euclid's Nightmare"?
- -
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:11:25 -0600
From: Glenn Astarita <gastarit@comm.net>
Subject: RE: marc ducret solo
> And earlier Ducret or other work as sideman (besides the obvious
> Berne/Bloodcount
> stuff)....
[Glenn Astarita] I have Ducret's "Gris" which is on the Label Bleu =
label as Steve mentioned. I did purchase it at Tower in New =
Orleans......It's a nice outing. The only band member i recognize is =
trumpet maestro Enrico Rava. In a nutshell, it's worth picking up if =
you admire his electric guitar work. Mainly slow tempo numbers with MD =
wailing away on his axe with some stellar support. Good tunes =
.....etc..
glenn=20
- -
- -
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:08:30 -0500
From: "Andy Marks" <Andy.Marks@mts.com>
Subject: Bun Ching Lam - The Child God
Anybody got this? Looks intriguing.
I like traditional Asian type stuff.
Let me know what you think.
- -
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:23:26 +1100
From: Rohan James Parkes <marlowe@labyrinth.net.au>
Subject: RE: bobby previte
Hi Julian,
I can tell you about My Man in Sydney, because I was there! It's an =
enjoyable album, but it wouldn't be my first call on Previte. Previte's =
always been interested in guitar-based rock, and this was his attempt at =
putting together a "bar band". Ducret seems a bit under-utilised, for =
one thing.
Previte's initial works on Gramavision were rather meandering. I =
wouldn't bother with Music for the Moscow Circus, (even though Previte =
told me in an interview that he considers it his finest moment - he was =
really referring to the difficulty of composing music at very short =
notice for an already-existent ballet). Also, Pushing the Envelope and =
Slay the Suitors were less than gripping.
However, Previte at his best is definitely worth checking out. The one =
that seems to have brought him critical attention is "Empty Suits", and =
it is very good, although Bobby prefers "Claude's Late Morning" (both on =
Gramavision). "Weather Clear, Track Fast" is excellent, as are a series =
of albums Previte rather confusingly made with a group of that name - =
"Hue and Cry" and "Too Close to the Pole" (there may have been another =
one as well). All these last albums are on Enja.
Hope this is helpful,
Rohan Parkes
Jazz Coordinator
3-PBS FM
Melbourne
Australia
http://www.vicnet.net.au/~pbsfm/jazz/default.html
- -----Original Message-----
From: Julian [SMTP:jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 11:52 PM
To: Zorn List
Subject: bobby previte
Can someone tell me what Bobby Previte's recordings are generally like,
particularly "My Man In Sydney" and "Euclid's Nightmare"?
- -
- -
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:29:31 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: Electronic Music Festivals in France
Just picked this off another mailing list (exotica, of all things).
How come we can't get cool shit like this going on over here?
============================
In France
============================
*Festival Manca
The last sounds may have just faded from the air, but you should know that
Festival Manca resumed in Nice (on the French Riviera) from March 7 to
March 12, presented by CIRM (Centre National de Creation Musicale) with
artistic direction by Michel Redolfi. The concerts included music by Xavier
Bellenger, Henry Foures, Louis Dandrel, Jon Hassell, Eliane Radigue, Michel
Redolfi, Luc Martinez, and Bernard Fort. And there were events presented in
conjunction with GRM (Groupe de Recherches Musicales) in Paris to celebrate
the 50th anniversary of musique concrete will include music by Daniel
Teruggi, Francois Bayle, Pierre Henry, and Pierre Schaeffer. For detailed
information:
cirm_studio@compuserve.com
http://www.imaginet.fr/manca
http://www.rom.fr/manca
*Musique en Scene
Grame, a major research and production center in Lyons, France, produces
the Musique en Scene festival every year. This year it was March 4 - 24, in
Lyons and in the Rhone-Alpes region of France, and it was combined with the
Futura festival and a range of concerts celebrating the pioneering works of
Pierre Schaeffer, Pierre Henry, Iannis Xenakis, Luc Ferrari, Andre
Boucourechliev, and others during the 1950s and 1960s, in addition to a
large sampling of younger composers including Horacio Vaggione, Patrick
Ascione, Kristine Burns, Philip Samartzis, and many others.
grame@rd.grame.fr
http://www.grame.fr
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/futura
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:35:33 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: New Game Pieces
Just wondering if Zorn still composes game pieces or has he moved over to the
deterministic side of things for good? How long has it been since he did Cobra?
Anyone know?
Just curious,
Peter
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:37:02 +1100
From: Rohan James Parkes <marlowe@labyrinth.net.au>
Subject: Previte's Web Site
Hey, how about checking out Previte's Web Site <http://members.aol.com/Previte/index.html>?
It's depressingly low on hits!
Rohan Parkes
Jazz Coordinator
3-PBS FM
Melbourne
Australia
http://www.vicnet.net.au/~pbsfm/jazz/default.html
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:41:13 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: Filmworks VIII
I just got Filmworks VIII (also FW7, which is fantastic, although a bit short at
25 minutes) and was wondering how the Masada tunes stack up against the "real"
thing. I'm embarrassed to say I've never heard the real thing, so I don't have
anything to compare these to. These are very low key, but very beautiful. Are
these same pieces as low key with the jazz combo?
Just wondering,
Peter
- -
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:55:20 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Electronic Music Festivals in France
>>>>> "peter" == peter risser <peter_risser@cinfin.com> writes:
peter> Just picked this off another mailing list (exotica, of all
peter> things). How come we can't get cool shit like this going
peter> on over here?
For some reason that I've never been able to comprehend, the French
have always been extremely supportive of this kind of music. Most of
the major labels which specialize here (INA-GRM, Metamkine, GMVL --
the 'L' in this acronym is Lyon) are from France, and the other major
one (Empreintes Digitales) is from Quebec, which would like to be
France. Seem to be pretty well funded, maybe it's that 75% tax
bracket they have over there...
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:12:08 +0100
From: "J.T. de Boer" <s0821683@let.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: L.CRUSH/EPHRON/L. TRIBE
From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 98 09:39:21 -0300
Subject: L.CRUSH/EPHRON/L. TRIBE
To: arno@silesia.top.pl
Cc: zorn-list@xmission.com
Check out the Screaming Headless Torsos. It's a band with a.o Dave
Fuczynski, Fima Ephron and Jojo Mayer. They have two incredible
albums out; one selftitled and a live album with Greg Lake on drums.
When you compare these albums with Lunar Crush, they're much, much
better! It's something like a jazz-oriented Living Colour kind of
70's jazzrock ensemble. Buy them!
Jeroen de Boer
"Vog", ""Pineapple", "Slow Blues for Fuzy's Mama" and "122 St. Marks"
worth the price of LUNAR CRUSH. It's outstanding the performance of
drummers Jojo Mayer and Gene Lake as fantastic the groove of Fima Ephron
on electric & acoustic bass.
You can also check LOST TRIBE, for another incredible Fima Ephron's
session.
Is there any more "heavy on the funk" out there?
- -Hugo, from Argentina
- -
- -
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:48:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Gauthier Michelle A <7mag2@qlink.queensu.ca>
Subject: Re: New Game Pieces
Well, John still performs Cobra live. The last Cobra gig was in San
Francisco in January. I also saw Cobra in August of 96 at the Knitting
Factory. As for him actually composing new game pieces and making new
Cobra CD's, I doubt it. That remains to be seen.
m.
On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 peter_risser@cinfin.com wrote:
> Just wondering if Zorn still composes game pieces or has he moved over to the
> deterministic side of things for good? How long has it been since he did Cobra?
> Anyone know?
>
> Just curious,
> Peter
>
> -
>
>
- -
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:03:20 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: New Game Pieces
On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Gauthier Michelle A wrote:
> Well, John still performs Cobra live. The last Cobra gig was in San
> Francisco in January. I also saw Cobra in August of 96 at the Knitting
> Factory. As for him actually composing new game pieces and making new
> Cobra CD's, I doubt it. That remains to be seen.
One thing that's struck me in listening to his recent music (as opposed to
his recent released of old material, such as Angelus Novus) is how
structurally conservative it is. A lot of the Masada material sounds to me
(without an extremely close listening and analysis) to be classic
head-improv-head structures. What is the structure like in his
NYPhilharmonic piece?
I would love to see Tzadik or whomever publish a book of the game piece
scores, if they can be understood without his in-person coaching. Are
there any plans for this in the works (or is anyone on this list in a
position to kickstart such a project)?
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:04:07 -0500 (EST)
From: SAM Records <linemen@clark.net>
Subject: Re: (MANCINI'S) PETER GUNN
There are two pretty cool versions I know about, but nobody really beats
the Mancini original (now available remastered on the amazing Henry
Mancini box set): Four-Piece Suits (Boston) and Oranj Symphonette (San
Francisco) both have all-Mancini records worth checking out.
Kevin Johnson
On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, James Douglas Knox wrote:
>
> On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 hulinare@bemberg.com.ar wrote:
>
> > Would anyone tell me about any groups or ensembles that played Henry
> > Mancini's Peter Gunn?
> > I listened to it last night in a local TV Show and it was great; rather
> > fast, very well played, and there were reeds.
>
> Haven't heard it, but I know Shelley Manne's version of Peter Gunn has
> just been re-issued on disc. Most of Manne's work is pretty great (err:
> to these ears, at least. Opinions differ in other quarters.)
>
>
> -
>
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