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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #273
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, March 24 1998 Volume 02 : Number 273
In this issue:
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MMW/LUNAR CRUSH
MANCINI'S PETER GUNN
Ives
Re: john zorn/jean derome
Re: Musique Concrete
Re: john zorn/jean derome
Re: A Question For All You Music Scholars Out There
marc ducret solo
Re: Basic Channel
Re: Medeski onward
Ives
Odp: MMW/LUNAR CRUSH
More musique concrete
Re: Re[2]: musique concrete
Re: Turkish music
Re: Medeski onward
Re: Turkish music
Re: Turkish music
Re: Turkish music
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #272
Nonesuch Xenakis lp
Re: Keiji Haino duets
Re: Keiji Haino duets
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 98 09:09:58 -0300
From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar
Subject: MMW/LUNAR CRUSH
In my opinion "Friday Afternoon in the Universe" is a great CD; DON'T
MISS "Lunar Crush" [Gramavision] by David Fiuczynski ("sick" guitar
player) & John Medeski, a very powerful album though I don't like vocals
included in some songs.
Hugo, from Argentina.
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 98 09:21:57 -0300
From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar
Subject: MANCINI'S PETER GUNN
Would anyone tell me about any groups or ensembles that played Henry
Mancini's Peter Gunn?
I listened to it last night in a local TV Show and it was great; rather
fast, very well played, and there were reeds.
It isn't "Oranj Simphonette".
Thanks.
Hugo, from Argentina.
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:24:43 -0500
From: "David J. Keffer" <keffer@shell.planetc.com>
Subject: Ives
>both are excellent, but (imo) Ives great masterpiece is the fourth
>symphony. the orchestra is divided up, and in parts is playing two distinct
>things at different tempi, an idea that would still be considered avant
garde
>when Stockhausen did it 40 years later. besides all of that it's really
>gorgeous stuff.
>shiurba@sfo.com
>Ives: "Holidays" Symphony (either Bernstein's or Michael Tilson Thomas's
>recordings), Symphony #4 (Tilson Thomas).
>- --steve
I have to agree with Steve. The two most "exciting" Ives
pieces I know are the "Holidays" Symphony and Symphony #4
(in that order).
David K.
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:51:51 -0500
From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com>
Subject: Re: john zorn/jean derome
On Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:29:20 PST, "Fran Bacon" <c123018@hotmail.com>
sed:
>What recordings are currently available by J. Derome, and where can one
>find them (i.e. what are the labels)?
Wayside carries a number of his solo projects and collaborations:
http://members.aol.com/Cuneiform2/way.cat.html
God, it does the ol' heart good to see this kind of interest in his
work!
Jason
- --
Perfect Sound Forever
perfect-sound@furious.com
http://www.furious.com/perfect
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:27:01 -0500
From: philz <zampino@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Musique Concrete
Frankco wrote:
>I totally agree with Caleb Deupree that it is virtually impossible to find
>musique concrete. When I asked at my local "classical music" record store for
>Parmegiani, they took out a catalogue as thick as a phone book, but the name
>Parmegiani wasn't in it, so they couldn't order it. Since this stuff is so
>hard to find, I wouldn't really know which recordings are essential -
>heck, I'm
>not even sure of some of the stuff I have whether it is musique concrete or
>electro-acoustic music or whatever.
Actually one of the original (perhaps the original) Musique Concrete
artists, Pierre Schaeffer, is finally properly documented in a 4-cd release
from France on the Ina-grm label. Most of the material is from the 50's
but has aged really well and is really fascinating... the book that comes
with the set is in French so I can't comment, but it has some great photos
:) Anyway I got my copy from Ear Rational (http://www.xmission.com/~ear/).
>I've noticed that some of the more adventurous techno borders on
>electro-acoustic music. I don't know if any of you are familiar with the
>releases on the Berlin-based Basic Channel and Chain Reaction labels, but this
>stuff is soooo close to electro-acoustic....
According to my roommate Will who keeps a Basic Channel discography at
Hyperreal (http://www.hyperreal.org/music/exclusive/discogs/basic_channel/)
Basic Channel is actually released out of Detroit though the music is
probably made in Berlin; apparently they worked hard at confusing people :)
phil
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:01:31 -0500
From: philz <zampino@panix.com>
Subject: Re: john zorn/jean derome
>i don't know if any of you are familiar with Jean Derome, but here
>>in Quebec he's sort of at the forefront of the avant-guard music scene
>
>What recordings are currently available by J. Derome, and where can one
>find them (i.e. what are the labels)?
check http://www.ptbo.igs.net/~verge/index.htm
philz
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:06:32 -0500 (EST)
From: edechena@thomas.butler.edu (Dechenaux Emmanuel)
Subject: Re: A Question For All You Music Scholars Out There
Does anyone know of any concertos (from any musical period) with 4
> movements rather than the usual 3?
Oh my god ! I didn't think about the Concerto for Double Bass and
Orchestra by John Downey. A great, great time !
If you like four-movement pieces, check out for Corigliano's first
symphony. This is great music in four movements.
M_base
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:54:24 PST
From: "Fran Bacon" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: marc ducret solo
I can't remember anyone sharing any opinions about the new Ducret
electric solo on Screwgun....how does everyone (anyone) like it? And he
has an acoustic solo record too, right?...How's that? And earlier
Ducret or other work as sideman (besides the obvious Berne/Bloodcount
stuff)....
Thanks,
KSH
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:58:26 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw <beuchaw@nathan.enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Basic Channel
On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, philz wrote:
> According to my roommate Will who keeps a Basic Channel discography at
> Hyperreal (http://www.hyperreal.org/music/exclusive/discogs/basic_channel/)
> Basic Channel is actually released out of Detroit though the music is
> probably made in Berlin; apparently they worked hard at confusing people :)
>
> phil
Um, I think the first few releases might've been made in Detroit, but then
after that I'm pretty sure they were all pressed and manufactured in
Berlin (so they could have better control over the quality). I got this
info from a couple of articles in The Wire (#150 and the March 98 issue).
The March 98 issue mentions that they have a pressing plant located in/by
the Hard Wax record store in Berlin that seems to be the gathering
place/HQ for most Basic Channel/Chain Reaction/etc. artists. Don't have
the mags with me, so can't give exact quotes, but can do so later tonight
if anyone wishes.
Also, check out amor.rz.hu-berlin.de/~h0444rrf/bcdisc.html for an
unofficial BC web page that is pretty comprehensive and up-to-date.
cya
brian
- --------------------------------------------------------
"The most dementing of all modern sins: the inability to
distinguish excellence from success." - David Hare
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:10:01 +0100
From: Nils Jacobson <JACOBSON@frodo.mgh.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: Medeski onward
FUNKADELlC <FUNKADELlC@aol.com> writes:
>
> HEY EVERYONE!!!!! CHECK OUT THE ALBUM "LUNAR CRUSH" by John Medeski and Dave
> Fruzinski..... this shit is way way out funky jazz... its out there... good
> good stuff.. cant stop listening to it.
It's Fiuczynski, but anyway... Lunar Crush is, IMHO, for completists
only. He and Medeski are a sympathetic team, but it's mostly Fuze's
show, as far as I can tell. This record is a lot like the self-titled
release by the Screaming Headless torsos. Heavy on the funk, with
vocals, basically rock n roll with a twist. I would start with the
Screaming Hedless Torsos if you want to go this direction, their album is
more "together." It also has much more raw energy. I find it bears
repeated listening much better than Lunar Crush.
Also highly recommended is Fiuczynski on Santi Debriano's more jazzy
release Soldiers of Fortune (Evidence). He does a very credible, perhaps
unknowing, Mahavishnu impersonation there. That's got more of the
in-n-out aesthetic that would likely appeal to people on this list.
Debriano is a monster, and that particular album has a few big names on
it: John Purcell, Kenny Werner, Ronnie Burrage, Joe Locke.
- -Nils
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:29:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Moran <moran@staff.juno.com>
Subject: Ives
Hey, here's a little aside regarding Ives' music: If you're in NYC on
March 28 or April 6, Sideshow (songs of Charles Ives) is performing at the
Knit and at alt.coffee, respectively. This is an instrumental quartet
which interprets Ives songs, including improvisation.
- -matt
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:39:14 +0100
From: "Artur Nowak" <arno@silesia.top.pl>
Subject: Odp: MMW/LUNAR CRUSH
>Hugo, from Argentina:
>In my opinion "Friday Afternoon in the Universe" is a great CD; DON'T
>MISS "Lunar Crush" [Gramavision] by David Fiuczynski ("sick" guitar
>player) & John Medeski, a very powerful album though I don't like
vocals
>included in some songs.
Right! I hated the vocals from the first time I've heard "Lunar
Crash". This kind of vocals reminds me of english glam rock, the
disaster of '70: guys dressed like virgins and virgins dancing like
witches.
BTW: I know only one guy, who liked these scary vocals on "Lunar
Crush": my friend, who is devoted Diamanda Galas fan. He made me aware
of the fact, that I have an album with Diamanda (althought I said "no
way, I hate her screaming") - it is THE BIG GUNDOWN by John Zorn (not
often mentioned on this mailing list these times). I was shocked! Zorn
and Diamanda, yes, yes!
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Artur Nowak (arno@silesia.top.pl)
Licht und Liebe sich entzuenden - Wo sich Streng' und Milde finden.
Zorn und Finsternis entbrennen - Wo sich Streng' und Milde trennen.
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:00:38 -0500 (EST)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: More musique concrete
I am planning on doing a show on Francis Dhomont, his Frankenstein Symph.
as well as foret profond which is on Empreintes Digitales, at 10:00 this
Sun Mar. 29, for 2 hours. You can listen over the net if you have
realaudio, visit http://www.wxyc.org. This show is called Broken Music,
and the station is WXYC in Chapel Hill, NC (89.3). This show is on every
Sunday from 10 until 12, but sometimes its kind of lame. For example,
I've been trying to convince this one guy that Wynton Marsalis is a waste
of time and doesn't belong on a new music show, but he just doesn't get
it.
Also, does anyone have any recommendations for oud/Turkish music, or other
non-western improvisational music? I saw that Zorn mentioned some things
on AAA records, but I'm not familiar with that label. I'm less concerned
with getting an overview (like the Nonesuch explorer things) as much as
something that is just reaaly good and rocks. Thanks in advance.
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:22:13 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: musique concrete
> Also, if we're going to the far extreme of Music Concrete, I think
> Negativland's Theme from Big 10-8 Place is fantastic and one of the
> shining moments of the genre. But even though they are more "pop" like,
> I think the planning and execution, the recurring themes and the dynamic
> interplay of that peice are all fantastic. I also really enjoy Helter
> Stupid and some of the tracks from Escape from Noise for the same
> reasons. All excellently done. Much better than their later stuff.
Except, i'd hasten to add, 'The Gun And The Bible' from 'FREE', which, in
addition to being brilliantly escecuted, is also side-splittingly funny (a
somewhat rare trait for electroacoustic music).
- -jascha
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:38:59 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Turkish music
>>>>> "William" == William York <wyork@email.unc.edu> writes:
William> Also, does anyone have any recommendations for
William> oud/Turkish music, or other non-western improvisational
William> music? I saw that Zorn mentioned some things on AAA
William> records, but I'm not familiar with that label. I'm less
William> concerned with getting an overview (like the Nonesuch
William> explorer things) as much as something that is just reaaly
William> good and rocks. Thanks in advance.
I've been pretty happy with some of Rabih Abou-Khalil's albums on
Enja. He's a great oud player who allies himself with some very
unlikely partners. Blue Camel features Kenny Wheeler, Charlie
Mariano, and Steve Swallow (among others), and is a fine
jazz-influenced date. Arabian Waltz features the Balinescu String
Quartet -- amazing work from all involved. I've also got a newer one,
Odd Times, which is a live date featuring Howard Levy, the harmonica
player from Bela Fleck's Flecktones, and I'm not as impressed with
this one. The sound is a bit too brash, not quite as hypnotic as the
other two.
One of Bruce Morris's conductions on New World took place in Turkey
with Turkish musicians along with some westerners.
Non-western improv in general -- tall order. Would you consider
Nusrat improvisational? And there's a whole bunch of Japanese free
improv listed at http://www2.gol.com/users/miyuki/index.html.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:50:53 -0500
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Medeski onward
Nils Jacobson wrote:
> Also highly recommended is Fiuczynski on Santi Debriano's more jazzy
> release Soldiers of Fortune (Evidence). He does a very credible, perhaps
> unknowing, Mahavishnu impersonation there. That's got more of the
> in-n-out aesthetic that would likely appeal to people on this list.
> Debriano is a monster, and that particular album has a few big names on
> it: John Purcell, Kenny Werner, Ronnie Burrage, Joe Locke.
Caught Debriano in a trio with Andrew Cyrille and Billy Bang some years
ago, and he was a monster even then. Recently though, I only hear of him
playing in the kind of piano trio's that would tend to bore most
zorn-listers. Anyone know of any more adventurous stuff that he's played
on?
Rich
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:58:26 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: Turkish music
>I've been pretty happy with some of Rabih Abou-Khalil's albums on
>Enja. He's a great oud player who allies himself with some very
...
By the way, what's an oud? Is it a reed instrument? What's it look like?
On a side note, I wonder what an oon is... Take bassoon or contrabassoon
for example, is there an altooon or a tenoroon? Is a oboe an oon of some
sort? I don't think so. (just kidding...)
Dan
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:01:00 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Turkish music
>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com> writes:
Dan> ... By the way, what's an oud? Is it a reed instrument?
Dan> What's it look like?
An Arabic lute, a little smaller than a European one (of which it is
the ancestor), and fretless, I think.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:30:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Turkish music
On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Dan Hewins wrote:
> >I've been pretty happy with some of Rabih Abou-Khalil's albums on
> >Enja. He's a great oud player who allies himself with some very
> ...
> By the way, what's an oud? Is it a reed instrument? What's it look like?
>
> It's a lute-like stringed instrument. I think Ahmed Abdul-Malik was the
first person to introduce it to jazz in the late 1950s.
Ken Waxman
cj649@torfree.net >
>
>
> -
>
>
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:00:24 -0500
From: Dora Agiotis <stubb@globalserve.net>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #272
I'm sorry, I made a slight mistake with the Victoriaville Festival address. The real won
is:
http://login.net/cdcbf/FIMAV
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:00:35 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Nonesuch Xenakis lp
For the record (ha ha), the Nonesuch Xenakis Electro-Acoustic Music lp
(Nonesuch H-71246) was licensed from Disques Erato and contains Bohor I
(1962, 21:56), Concret P-H II (1958, 2:38), Diamorphoses II (1957, 6:49)
and Orient-Occident III (1959-1960, 11:12).
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:11:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Keiji Haino duets
On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Charles Gillett wrote:
> Can anyone recommend (or not recommend) Keiji Haino's duet CDs
> with Derek Bailey, Peter Br=F6tzmann, or Loren MazzaCane Connors?
> I've never heard Haino. There was a discussion about the best
> Fushitsusha CDs here a while back, but for some reason I'm leaning
> toward the duet CDs.
I've got the duets with Brotzmann and Bailey. These are also the only
Haino I know, so I can't compare with his other work. On the disc with
Brotzmann, Haino sticks with vocals. It's histrionic, but very enjoyable.
Presumably it's not representative since he doesn't play guitar. The disc
with Bailey is fine, but Haino's approach here sounds awfully similar to
Bailey's. I tend to enjoy Bailey's collaborations more when his partners
have a contrasting approach, so I'd recommend the Brotzmann over the
Bailey. But I'm suspicious that they're both atypical of Haino's work.
(I gather he usually doesn't sound much like Bailey on guitar.)
Chris Hamilton=20
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:38:41 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw <beuchaw@enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Keiji Haino duets
On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Christopher Hamilton wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Charles Gillett wrote:
>=20
> > Can anyone recommend (or not recommend) Keiji Haino's duet CDs
> > with Derek Bailey, Peter Br=F6tzmann, or Loren MazzaCane Connors?
> > I've never heard Haino. There was a discussion about the best
> > Fushitsusha CDs here a while back, but for some reason I'm leaning
> > toward the duet CDs.
>=20
> I've got the duets with Brotzmann and Bailey. These are also the only
> Haino I know, so I can't compare with his other work. On the disc with
> Brotzmann, Haino sticks with vocals. It's histrionic, but very enjoyab=
le.
> Presumably it's not representative since he doesn't play guitar. The d=
isc
> with Bailey is fine, but Haino's approach here sounds awfully similar t=
o
> Bailey's. I tend to enjoy Bailey's collaborations more when his partne=
rs
> have a contrasting approach, so I'd recommend the Brotzmann over the
> Bailey. But I'm suspicious that they're both atypical of Haino's work.
> (I gather he usually doesn't sound much like Bailey on guitar.)
>=20
> Chris Hamilton=20
Yep, you're right - on both the Bailey and Connors discs, he sounds too
much like the partner. His usual style (if it can be called such) will
rip your head off at about 300 paces. He's usually quite a bit more
violent and noisy and loud and fantastic and seething and varied and
whatever else I can't think of right now. :-)
cya
brian
- --------------------------------------------------------
"The most dementing of all modern sins: the inability to
distinguish excellence from success." - David Hare
- -
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