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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #272
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, March 24 1998 Volume 02 : Number 272
In this issue:
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Re: Victoriaville '98
Re: john oswald plunderphonics
Electroacoustic Mailing-List
Re: xenakis, e#, ives, mmw(/scofield)
THE NEW REAL BOOK CD-ROM , TABLATURE AND MIDI FILES
Re: xenakis, e#, ives, mmw(/scofield)
MMW Recs
Re: Zorn Filmworks
Re: MMW
Re: Dumitrescu
Arto Lindsay and more
Re: Musique Concrete
Re: Musique Concrete
Re: Sigmoid Flexure 3/29
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #270
Re: john zorn/jean derome
Bang on a can
Re: Zorn Filmworks
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:14:47 -0500
From: Dora Agiotis <stubb@globalserve.net>
Subject: Re: Victoriaville '98
>
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:07:36 -0600
> From: Rusty Crump <dmcrump@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
> Subject: Victoriaville '98
>
> Could somebody direct me to further information about this year's
> Victoriaville festival? Is there a web site where I can find info beyond
> the artist lineup, like costs, travel, lodging, etc? There is a .001%
> chance of my being able to go this year, but the logistics such a trip from
> the wilds of Mississippi are no small thing.
>
> Rusty Crump
> Oxford, Mississippi
>
>
Rusty Crump, and others interested, The web site for the Victoriaville Festival is:
http://www.login.net.cdcbf/fimav
Airline services and lodging
For information and reservation call :
Air Canada 1-800-361-7585
Voyages Escapades 1-819-758-3151
FIMAV's file number : Tour Box code CV984051
Motel Colibri 1-800-563-0533 ou 1-819-758-0533
The passport for all band is $290 Canadian
For more information, you can call Production Platefrome inc.
Tel: (819) 752-7912
Fax:(819) 758-4370
e-mail: fimav@cdcbf.qc.ca
The single day (or show) tickets have not gone on sale yet. They should be soon though.
Just check the web page every so often.
I hope this information helps you.
Dora (stubb)
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:20:36 -0500
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re: john oswald plunderphonics
Stefan Verstraeten wrote:
>
> Dear Zornies,
>
> A few days ago, I read articles by Chris Cutler & David Toop on John
> Oswald Plunderstuff...
> Naturally, I started looking for copies of his work but found nothing.
> So, does anyone on this list can make me a copy of his work on minidisc
> or on CD (if it's on MP3, that won't be a problem as well). Naturally,
> I'll pay for the costs of copying and sending the stuff over to me...
> Thanxxx already for possible answers...
I think Tom Pratt posted this about a week ago, but it bears repeating.
Go to http://www.interlog.com/~vacuvox/xnotes.html#plunderphonic
and the entire banned plunderphonics CD is there for the plundering, so
to speak.
Rich
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:40:12 +0000
From: John McMahon <jmcmahon@wwdc.com>
Subject: Electroacoustic Mailing-List
Quote:
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:02:06 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: electroacoustic music
Is there an electroacoustic music mailing-list?
This thread is brilliant, and, if it continues, might warrant the
creation of one...
...then again, it sort of spices up the already spicey Zorn list a fair
bit.
- - -jascha
There IS a list for the Canadian Electroacoustic Community, called
CECDISCUSS. Many/most of the list members are composer/musicians (some
of them mentioned in the recent thread here), so the discussion is
occasionally over the heads of non-musicians like myself, but it is
fascinating reading nonetheless, with lots of news of current goings-on
in EA.
The CEC has a web-page at
http://www-fofa.concordia.ca/cec/home.html.
which contains the subscription information.
Cheers,
John McMahon
Belmont, Ontario
Currently listening to "Sunrise, Sunset" The Bob Thiele Collective.
(David Murray, John Hicks, Cecil McBee, Andrew Cyrille.)
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:49:46 -0700
From: john shiurba <shiurba@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: xenakis, e#, ives, mmw(/scofield)
> For Ives, I would recommend his Symphony #3 "Three Places In New
> England". I would call it is THE essential Ives and I'm very surprised
> to have not seen anyone mention it yet.
actually these are two different works. symphony no. 3 is subtitled "camp
meeting" and is not the same piece as 'three places in new england'
both are excellent, but (imo) Ives great masterpiece is the fourth
symphony. the orchestra is divided up, and in parts is playing two distinct
things at different tempi, an idea that would still be considered avant garde
when Stockhausen did it 40 years later. besides all of that it's really
gorgeous stuff.
- --
shiurba@sfo.com
http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:54:35 +0100
From: Luca Betti <lbetti@dinonet.it>
Subject: THE NEW REAL BOOK CD-ROM , TABLATURE AND MIDI FILES
THE NEW REAL BOOK CD-ROM
JAZZ CLASSICS
CHOICE STANDARDS
POP-FUSION CLASSICS
TABLATURE AND MIDI FILES INCLUDED
e-mail:lbetti@dinonet.it
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:28:19 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: xenakis, e#, ives, mmw(/scofield)
john shiurba wrote:
>
> > For Ives, I would recommend his Symphony #3 "Three Places In New
> > England". I would call it is THE essential Ives and I'm very surprised
> > to have not seen anyone mention it yet.
>
> actually these are two different works. symphony no. 3 is subtitled "camp
> meeting" and is not the same piece as 'three places in new england'
Upon review... you're right! The record I have is has "Three Places In
New England" an the A side and Symphony No. 3 on the B side. For all
this time I had been thinking it was one piece!!! Anyway, I think "Three
Places In New England" is the better piece. I dig the Fourth Symphony as
well.
I feel dumb.
> both are excellent, but (imo) Ives great masterpiece is the fourth
> symphony. the orchestra is divided up, and in parts is playing two distinct
> things at different tempi, an idea that would still be considered avant garde
> when Stockhausen did it 40 years later. besides all of that it's really
> gorgeous stuff.
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:09:51 -0500
From: chasinthetrane@juno.com (Jamie F Graves)
Subject: MMW Recs
I'd have to say my two favorite MMW albums are Notes from the Underground
and Friday Afternoon in the Universe. I think Shack Man is very appealing
on first listen, but when you go back you realize there isn't much to it.
I don't what's wrong with Its a Jungle in Here, it just seems to lack
some creative spark. Kind of an indication of where they were going, but
not quite there yet. The Ribot presence is also minimal. He sounds more
like Joe Generic jazz guitar on this album. He plays on just one tune,
and plays a pretty bland solo.
But I don't think you can go wrong with either Notes or Friday. Notes is
all acoustic, not really what they're doing now, but the solos on this
album seriously kick, and the few horn tracks really get me. Friday is
mesmerizing. The perfect blend of avant garde and funk, its closest
they've come to art. Basically its 30 second avant chunks blended with
extended groove jams. I highly recomend this one. They also have a fifth
album, Farmers Reserve, which is only available at shows. Its pretty out,
I'd say get it if you REALLY like the little experimental parts on
Friday. Its a whole album of that.
Speaking of MMW, has anyone heard anything about their Blue Note album?
I'm interested to see what influence (if any) the label will have on
their sound.
Jamie
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:26:20 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn Filmworks
On Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:24:36 +0100 (MET) Berrie Heesen wrote:
>
> Last question, what is the last CD Arto lindsay put on the market?
ON CHILL: Arto Lindsay
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
124 - NOON CHILL: Arto Lindsay
1997 - Gut (Japan), FLCG-3031 (CD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Soon to be released domstically on Bar/None (April 28).
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:13:51 EST
From: FUNKADELlC <FUNKADELlC@aol.com>
Subject: Re: MMW
In a message dated 98-03-23 18:18:02 EST, you write:
<< Any
good quality live MMW recordings out there? >>
HEY EVERYONE!!!!! CHECK OUT THE ALBUM "LUNAR CRUSH" by John Medeski and Dave
Fruzinski..... this shit is way way out funky jazz... its out there... good
good stuff.. cant stop listening to it.
- -cory sklar
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:46:22 -0500
From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Re: Dumitrescu
> >I think this could be called electro-acoustic music, but I'm not sure.
> >Medium III is a piece for solo bass that will totally blow you away.
> >The most profound and scorching double bass sounds ever put to record.
> >This should be a reference CD for testing stereo systems. Originally
> >released on vinyl on the Edition RZ label, but re-released on CD on
> >Edition MN, with a couple of other cool pieces as well.
>
> Dumitrescu is an extremely underappreciated genius when it comes to
> way-fucked-up compositions. Check out all his stuff (most of it on
> CD now), but especially "Pierres Sacrees" and "Galaxy", both on Edition
> Modern of course.
Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net> added:
>I highly recommend Dumitrescu as well. The only place I've been able to
>get his great Edition Modern discs is through Forced Exposure. MEDIUM
>III is mind-blowing! Also, check out Horatiu Radalescu.
>Most of the stuff that has been talked about recently is available
>through mail-order from Forced Exposure at
>http://www.forcedexposure.com. I am a very satisfied customer.
You might also want to check out Anomalous Records as Eric's stock
of this type of music easily rivals (if not surpasses) Forced Exposure's,
and oftentimes his prices are even better. No, I don't work there ...
just passing on the info. Check out his stuff at:
http://www.zipcon.net/~anomaly/
- -Patrick
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:48:57 +0000
From: "Charles Gillett" <gill0042@tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Arto Lindsay and more
On Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:24:36 +0100 (MET) Berrie Heesen wrote:
>
> Last question, what is the last CD Arto lindsay put on the market?
I just saw a Lindsay CD on the New Releases rack today, but
I can't remember what it was called. The cover is dark and has
a picture of Arto underwater, possibly snorkeling...it's a two
word title, I want to say "Nice Cool" but I feel like it was
something that made more sense than that. If Bar None ever
updates their site, you could go there (www.bar-none.com) and
find out about it. As it is they only have stuff about _Mundo
Civilizado_, his second-most recent CD--and a darn good one at
that.
_The Circle Maker_ hasn't appeared in MN yet, even in the
stores that are usually right on top of that sort of thing. I've
seen the new Gary Lucas and Bun Ching-Lam, but no Circle Maker.
Can anyone recommend (or not recommend) Keiji Haino's duet CDs
with Derek Bailey, Peter Br=F6tzmann, or Loren MazzaCane Connors?
I've never heard Haino. There was a discussion about the best
Fushitsusha CDs here a while back, but for some reason I'm leaning
toward the duet CDs.
- -- Charles
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:45:56 -0500
From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Re: Musique Concrete
jkan@javanet.com wrote:
>Hmm... my copy of "Fragmente-Stille, An Diotima" (on Disques Montaigne) is
>not particularly concrete -- it's a string quartet piece.... Is there
>another version?
I don't have the disc in front of me at the moment, but I thought this
had David Albermann on electronics/tapes/sound projection or some such
aspect. I could very well be wrong, or perhaps I'm thinking of one of
his Wergo discs which has an electronic composition for orchestra and
some tape pieces on it.
>As far as I can tell, EMF/INA-GRM recently re-released "Electro-Acoustic
>Music" -- with 2 additional pieces from 1970 and 1992 -- under the equally
>imaginative title "Electronic Music." Or at least that's my guess, since I
>was never able to find a copy of the original....
Hmmm ... I have "Electronic Music", but as I've never seen his
"Electro-Acoustic Music" LP, I never thought it was a reissue
of that title. It would make sense, I guess, but as far as I
can see it doesn't say _anywhere_ in the CD liner notes that
it is specifically a reissue of that record. I always thought
it was just a collection of his best _electronic_ works (finally
available) on disc. Maybe someone can clear this up if they
have the original LP.
- -Patrick
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:50:29 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: Musique Concrete
Patrick Carey wrote:
>
> jkan@javanet.com wrote:
>
> >Hmm... my copy of "Fragmente-Stille, An Diotima" (on Disques Montaigne) is
> >not particularly concrete -- it's a string quartet piece.... Is there
> >another version?
>
> I don't have the disc in front of me at the moment, but I thought this
> had David Albermann on electronics/tapes/sound projection or some such
> aspect. I could very well be wrong, or perhaps I'm thinking of one of
> his Wergo discs which has an electronic composition for orchestra and
> some tape pieces on it.
Fragmente-Stille, An Diotima is a string quartet piece if I remember
that Montaigne disc correctly (it's not in front of me).
> >As far as I can tell, EMF/INA-GRM recently re-released "Electro-Acoustic
> >Music" -- with 2 additional pieces from 1970 and 1992 -- under the equally
> >imaginative title "Electronic Music." Or at least that's my guess, since I
> >was never able to find a copy of the original....
>
> Hmmm ... I have "Electronic Music", but as I've never seen his
> "Electro-Acoustic Music" LP, I never thought it was a reissue
> of that title. It would make sense, I guess, but as far as I
> can see it doesn't say _anywhere_ in the CD liner notes that
> it is specifically a reissue of that record. I always thought
> it was just a collection of his best _electronic_ works (finally
> available) on disc. Maybe someone can clear this up if they
> have the original LP.
The recent 'Electronic Music' disc on EMF contains a few pieces from the
original Nonesuch LP 'Electro-Acoustic Music' plus some others. So it is
not a direct re-issue of the LP.
Has anyone checked out Xenakis's disc of Choral Music on the British
label Hyperion??? Looks interesting...
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:21:34 -0500
From: Mason Wendell &/or Megan Gass <prelapse@tiac.net>
Subject: Re: Sigmoid Flexure 3/29
Heeey List!
When I got this from Patrice, I realized that I might not have been as
clear as I could have been.
To clarify:
At 08:22 AM 3/23/98 -0800, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> Hi Mason,
>
>On Mon, 23 Mar 1998 01:33:37 -0500 Mason Wendell &/or Megan Gass wrote:
>>
>> Howdy folks!
>>
>> Sigmoid Flexure will be playing this Sunday (3/29) at Jacques. The band
>> features members of Prelapse (Tzadik rec.), Blinder, and Ever Since Day
> ^^^^^^^^^^
>What do you mean by that?
>
> Patrice.
Hi Patrice. I know it's been a while since I first mentioned to the list
that my group Prelapse would be recording Naked City premiers for Zorn, but
it's finally happened. Our tracks are already in the can for a CD featuring
us doing the NC stuff along with other artists TBA. Zorn's actually playing
with us on this one. Zorn's also fronted for a CD of our originals. Those
will be out as soon as they're mastered. Maybe Tzadik, maybe Avant. Details
get worked out as we go.
It's been a long process for us, with many starts and stops, but the end is
in sight. I'm really excited for the discs to come out!
</Mason.Prelapse>
Mason Wendell
prelapse@tiac.net
Blinder- http://www.tiac.net/users/prelapse/blinder.html
Sigmoid Flexure- Loud Free Improv
Prelapse- the music of Naked City and new music for loud ensemble
Freelance Web Design and Computer Music Copying
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:45:38 -0500
From: stephen drury <stevedrury@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #270
At 01:01 PM 3/23/98 -0700, you wrote:
>I know I plumb this list for all its worth, recommendation wise, but
>what am I to do? I have socially retarded friends.
>Today's requested recos: Ives, Partch, Xenakis.
>Where should I start?
>
Ives: "Holidays" Symphony (either Bernstein's or Michael Tilson Thomas's
recordings), Symphony #4 (Tilson Thomas). The 2nd String Quartet as
recorded by the Emerson Quartet. William Masselos's out-of-print recording
of the 1st piano sonata. Tilson Thomas' version of "Three Places in New
England". Unfortunately, (shameless plug to follow) I remain unsatisfied
with any of the available recordings of Ives' greatest work for solo piano,
the "Concord" sonata. So until Sony--or Tzadik--sees fit to record my
interpretation, I'll have to settle with begging you to wait for Avant's
release of my version of Ives' "Celestial Railroad".
BTW, Partch's masterpiece "Delusion of the Fury" is available as a videotape
in the "Enclosure" series.
Also, if you dig Ives, you might find Cage's "Apartment House 1776" a treat
(another shameless plug).
- --steve
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:29:20 PST
From: "Fran Bacon" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: john zorn/jean derome
i don't know if any of you are familiar with Jean Derome, but here
>in Quebec he's sort of at the forefront of the avant-guard music scene
What recordings are currently available by J. Derome, and where can one
find them (i.e. what are the labels)?
Thanks,
KSH
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:11:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeff Gretz <KGGF@grove.iup.edu>
Subject: Bang on a can
if you're looking for other bang on a can stuff. check out the Steve Reich box
set. they're all over that.
jeff
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:56:48 +0100
From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
Subject: Re: Zorn Filmworks
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 124 - NOON CHILL: Arto Lindsay
>
> 1997 - Gut (Japan), FLCG-3031 (CD)
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Soon to be released domstically on Bar/None (April 28).
> Patrice.
>
My copy has a bonus-CD with a song not on the album and 4 remixes.
YVes
-
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