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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #271
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Zorn List Digest Monday, March 23 1998 Volume 02 : Number 271
In this issue:
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Re: electroacoustic music
Re: Bang on a Can
Re[2]: musique concrete
Lucas on Tzadik
Re[2]: Bang on a Can
re: mmw
Jean Derome
Re: MMW/Scofield
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #270
xenakis, e#, ives, mmw(/scofield)
re: mmw
Re: Dumitrescu
Re: mmw
Re: mmw
Zorn Filmworks
Re: Company '91
Re: Steve Beresford
Re: Masada
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:02:06 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: electroacoustic music
Is there an electroacoustic music mailing-list? This thread is brilliant,
and, if it continues, might warrant the creation of one...
...then again, it sort of spices up the already spicey Zorn list a fair
bit.
- -jascha
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:10:37 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: Bang on a Can
> There was avery positive review of a recent release by Band On A Can doing
> Eno's 'Music For Airports.' Anyone heard it?
Wow! No, but i'd like to...
Re: Bang on a Can - there are regular marathons, right? When/where's the
next one?
Also, i have the disc 'industry' put out by the BOAC folks...i've heard of
many others. Any recomendations?
- -jascha
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:17:10 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: Re[2]: musique concrete
Actually, I was going to mention this also. The "classical" stuff seems to be
more thought out and composed, which might allow for better use of dynamic
changes and sound structures, where the "pop" stuff tends to be more on the
"experimental" tip, where you can sit around and make funny noises for an hour,
then press the results to CD. They tend to be more cloudy, more drony, whereas
the "classical" stuff tends to have crisper sounds even.
I dunno.
I've heard a lot of "ambient", "experimental" and "noise" but nothing really
comes close to a good Xenakis or Ligeti piece for excitement.
Also, I'm not big on Stockhausen for many of the same reasons.
Anyway, another artist I really enjoy: Nicolas Collins, who did, among other
great things, the now sadly out of print _100 of the World's Most Beautiful
Melodies_ with some of the artists who get mentioned on this list. His other
stuff is equally as great.
Also, if we're going to the far extreme of Music Concrete, I think Negativland's
Theme from Big 10-8 Place is fantastic and one of the shining moments of the
genre. But even though they are more "pop" like, I think the planning and
execution, the recurring themes and the dynamic interplay of that peice are all
fantastic. I also really enjoy Helter Stupid and some of the tracks from Escape
from Noise for the same reasons. All excellently done. Much better than their
later stuff.
Peter
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 98 15:26:56 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Lucas on Tzadik
Haven't seen a review of the new Lucas CD on Tzadik here yet.
Anyone?
Brian Olewnick
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 98 15:25:30 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Re[2]: Bang on a Can
1) The marathon is generally in mid-May, I think. Haven't heard the
line-up for this year yet. It makes for a generally enjoyable day,
though I go in prepared to hear a fair amount of dross, some decent
work and a small amount of extraordinary music (seems reasonable for
10 hours!). The major snafu last year was the non-performance of
Bryars' "Jesus' Blood..." due to schedule overruns. This might not
have been so bad had not said overruns been caused by some overlong
works by the evenings composers-in-residence, in particular an hour-
long piece by Michael Gordon (performed when it was clear the evening
was going long) which A) on its own merits, could have been shortened
by 45 minutes and B) knowing that most of the audience remaining was
there to hear the Bryars work--well, a little class might have been
called for. Sorry to vent, but that still pisses me off. Don't let
that put you off, though--it's worth attending.
2) I was all set to dislike BOAC's version of 'Music for Airports' (an
old fave) but I must say, it won me over. I _would_ say that it's
almost necessary to put the original (and its implied philosophy of
listening) out of mind and approach it on its own. Ie, it's no longer
background music, but it's still a joy to bathe in.
Brian Olewnick
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Bang on a Can
Author: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> at SMTP-for-MSSM
Date: 3/23/98 3:10 PM
> There was avery positive review of a recent release by Band On A Can doing
> Eno's 'Music For Airports.' Anyone heard it?
Wow! No, but i'd like to...
Re: Bang on a Can - there are regular marathons, right? When/where's the
next one?
Also, i have the disc 'industry' put out by the BOAC folks...i've heard of
many others. Any recomendations?
- -jascha
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:45:28 -0800 (PST)
From: "Cappy D'Angelo" <cappyd@UVic.CA>
Subject: re: mmw
I've never been impressed by their recordings, but was VERY impressed by
their live set at Bumbershoot (Seattle) last year. Rumour was that the
only reason they were asked to play was that Beck requested that they open
for him - I thought they were the best performance of the whole festival
(though I missed the Wayne Horvitz/Art Ensemble of Chicago show). Any
good quality live MMW recordings out there?
Cappy D'Angelo
Student at Law - Intellectual Property
Dabbler in Recording - Sonic Solutions Digital Editing and Mastering
Twanger of Guitar & Blower of Eb Horns of Alto & Bari Persuasion
Victoria, B.C., CANADA
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:49:52 -0500
From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com>
Subject: Jean Derome
I'm sorry I missed out on this thread before- thought something was wrong with my
postings here (thanks for the help Mike).
I'd like to heap a little a more praise on Mr. Derome- he's a brilliant writer and
musician. Anyone interested in him should check out a book by Raymond Jones called
'Plunderphonics, Pataphysicians and Pop Mechanics' . There's a chapter about Derome,
talking about his work in Les Granules and his solo work.
Also, I think was mentioned before but just in case... there's a festival that he's a
part of (and probably helped organize) that will also feature Zorn, Ikue Mori, Mike
Patton and others in Canada in May in Victoriaville (Festival Musique Actuelle):
http://www.login.net/cdcbf/FIMAV/
If anyone from the New York area is thinking of going to this, let me know as I'd like
to see this myself.
Jason
- --
Perfect Sound Forever
perfect-sound@furious.com
http://www.furious.com/perfect
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:50:40 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: MMW/Scofield
This is what I am afraid of. I guess guys like Scofield can't help but
cheese out a little. Maybe I'll go by one of the nice CD stores that lets
one listen to CDs before purchase and have a listen.
Dan
>I got an advance copy of "A-Go-Go" with Scofield, and I must say, I'm
>underwhelmed. I don't have the writerly chops to give a good detailed
>review, but the few tracks I've listened to so far didn't put any sweat on
>my upper lip. MMW don't do anything to distinguish themselves -- they
>submerge their personalities strictly in service to Scofield, whose ideas
>seem worthy of a couple of tracks rather than a whole album.
>
>But who knows, I may listen to it again in a couple of days and love it.
>Some albums are like that (like SY's Daydream Nation, which I hated the
>first five times I listened to it, & loved from then on).
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:03:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeff Gretz <KGGF@grove.iup.edu>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #270
as far as Ives goes. if you can find a disc with The Fourth Of July on it BUY
IT. wonderful piece. I have a cd that i like a lot. It's on Deustch Grammophone
and it's called Symphony No. 2 the symphony itself is rather "normal" except
for the last chord which is one of the greatest orchestral endings ever written
in my opinion. it also features some shorter works, "the gong on the back of
the hook and ladder", "the unanswered question" etc. all in all, a solid intro
into the world of Charles Ives.
jeff
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:43:28 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: xenakis, e#, ives, mmw(/scofield)
Glenn Lea wrote:
>
> I'd agree on all points and add the incredible 2-disc "Chamber Music" by the Arditti
> Quartet + piano on Auvidis Montaigne. Not your usual chamber music.
I will second this one. That first string quartet and the solo cello
pieces are particularly amazing but I don't particularly like Xenakis's
works for piano. The thing I love about Xenakis is how dynamic and
powerful his music is. Not many other composers are as "in your face" as
Xenakis. I still would recommend 'Kraanerg' (Sombient/Asphodel) as the
disc to get for the guy looking for recs.
For those of you who dig Xenakis, I would recommend Elliott Sharp's
hand-packaged zOaR disc 'Spring & Neap' which is a very dynamic and
dissonant orchestral piece that sounds quite Xenakis-like. E#'s new
Orchestra Carbon disc 'Rheo-Umbra' just came out and it is phenomenal as
well. It's another hand-packaged limited edition zOaR disc with similar
instrumentation as 'Abstract Repressionism' but with the addition of two
bass clarinetists.
For Ives, I would recommend his Symphony #3 "Three Places In New
England". I would call it is THE essential Ives and I'm very surprised
to have not seen anyone mention it yet.
I'd say 'Friday Afternoon In The Universe' is the best MMW disc by far
for its short noisy tracks and lack of guests. It's certainly the most
edgy and aggressive MMW album. Get this one first.
I also have an advance copy of the Scofield/MMW collaboration and it is
a very fun and groovy little album. No real edge and no real outside
playing (which is probably the source of complaints from this list) but
it is overall a very decent disc. I would have a hard time calling any
disc "bad" where Medeski solos at least once. He's just a BEAST!
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:32:59 -0600
From: Rusty Crump <dmcrump@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
Subject: re: mmw
>I've never been impressed by their recordings, but was VERY impressed by
>their live set at Bumbershoot (Seattle) last year. Rumour was that the
>only reason they were asked to play was that Beck requested that they open
>for him - I thought they were the best performance of the whole festival
>(though I missed the Wayne Horvitz/Art Ensemble of Chicago show). Any
>good quality live MMW recordings out there?
>
>Cappy D'Angelo
MMW played Oxford three times in a 2-year span and I saw a DAT-taper at
each show. I gather there's quite a tape network for their shows, though
I'm not in with that crowd. You'd probably have good luck getting shows if
you contact the nearest Spreadhead (Widespread Panic fan), as MMW seems to
be a favorite among them.
You're absolutely right, their live shows peel the paint off the walls --
much more better than the studio stuff.
Rusty Crump
Oxford, Mississippi
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:08:34 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: Dumitrescu
> >Iancu Dumitrescu - Medium III/Cogito (Edition Modern ED.MN 1001)
> >I think this could be called electro-acoustic music, but I'm not sure.
> >Medium III is a piece for solo bass that will totally blow you away.
> >The most profound and scorching double bass sounds ever put to record.
> >This should be a reference CD for testing stereo systems. Originally
> >released on vinyl on the Edition RZ label, but re-released on CD on
> >Edition MN, with a couple of other cool pieces as well.
>
> Dumitrescu is an extremely underappreciated genius when it comes to
> way-fucked-up compositions. Check out all his stuff (most of it on
> CD now), but especially "Pierres Sacrees" and "Galaxy", both on Edition
> Modern of course.
I highly recommend Dumitrescu as well. The only place I've been able to
get his great Edition Modern discs is through Forced Exposure. MEDIUM
III is mind-blowing! Also, check out Horatiu Radalescu.
Most of the stuff that has been talked about recently is available
through mail-order from Forced Exposure at
http://www.forcedexposure.com. I am a very satisfied customer.
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:18:16 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: mmw
Rusty Crump wrote:
>
> >I've never been impressed by their recordings, but was VERY impressed by
> >their live set at Bumbershoot (Seattle) last year. Rumour was that the
> >only reason they were asked to play was that Beck requested that they open
> >for him - I thought they were the best performance of the whole festival
> >(though I missed the Wayne Horvitz/Art Ensemble of Chicago show). Any
> >good quality live MMW recordings out there?
> >
> >Cappy D'Angelo
>
> MMW played Oxford three times in a 2-year span and I saw a DAT-taper at
> each show. I gather there's quite a tape network for their shows, though
> I'm not in with that crowd. You'd probably have good luck getting shows if
> you contact the nearest Spreadhead (Widespread Panic fan), as MMW seems to
> be a favorite among them.
>
> You're absolutely right, their live shows peel the paint off the walls --
> much more better than the studio stuff.
If you're looking for live MMW tapes, go to http://www.tapetrading.com
and look under MMW for a big huge list of people trading tapes of
theirs. Most of these guys are the Phish/Grateful Dead/jam band type but
I'm sure someone will do a blanks and postage deal for you.
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:58:31 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: mmw
>If you're looking for live MMW tapes, go to http://www.tapetrading.com
>and look under MMW for a big huge list of people trading tapes of
>theirs. Most of these guys are the Phish/Grateful Dead/jam band type but
>I'm sure someone will do a blanks and postage deal for you.
I am/was one of those types...
I have a handful of MMW tapes and I would be interested in trading for more
zorn-list type material. (Frisell, Horvitz, Masada, etc.)
Dan
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:24:36 +0100 (MET)
From: heesen@philo.uva.nl (Berrie Heesen)
Subject: Zorn Filmworks
=46olks
Last weekend I have seen three movies that wre brought together here in
Mokum because Zorn made music for these movies.
It was filmfestival called john Zorn filmworks.
The organizers had bad luck because a couple of movies did not it, because
the courier made a mistake (Fedex, keep inmind!!).
But
two out of three were impressing, especially because of the way music is
interferring with the films.
elegant spanking.
I knew the music already, from one of the Filmwork collections (do not have
the CD at hand here) that opens with Pueblo, I think is a most fascinating
piece.
anyway, not knowing what the movie was about, I happen not to read the info
of the CD's, I learned that it was a session of two women in a SM action.
Brilliant.
for the first time I really enjoyed both SM and lesbos on the screen.
I would like to know when and where more of Zorns films (can one say that)
are shown, and I guess i am willing to travel. So if anyone knows, please
let this list know too.
=46urther, reading about Steve Beresford, I have a LP, Deadly Weapons that I
never put on the turn table, so if anyone is interested please let me know.
Last question, what is the last CD Arto lindsay put on the market?
Ciao
Berrie
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:57:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Company '91
On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, [iso-8859-1] R=E9mi Bissonnette wrote:
> As for Buckethead, I was wondering if anybody could describe his
> performance on the three volumes of "Company '91" (featuring Derek Bailey=
,
> Zorn and crew)? Or more simply, short reviews of these CDs would be
> interesting, since I just don't know which one to buy first (and since
> they're on Incus, they won't come cheap here in Canada...)
Buckethead fits in interestingly without departing much from his usual
style. It's most interesting (to me) to hear how the more standardly
avant-garde types react to playing with a "metal guy" than vice versa.
Here's the problem: The earlier discs in the series are somewhat tighter
generally, but Buckethead is featured more prominently on the later ones
(which are not bad). So if you're going for the general Company vibe, I'd
start with vol. 1; if you're going for the Buckethead-in-an-interesting-
context thing, I'd start with vol. 3.
Chris Hamilton=20
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:06:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Steve Beresford
On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, ia zha nah er vesen wrote:
>
> I just noticed that an album by this guy, 'Signals for Tea', has Masada as
> a backing band. What's it like?
Slightly twisted lounge music. The playing's nice but the focus is mostly
on the melodies and (sometimes darkly) amusing lyrics. If you like the
lyric "It's like living with ants in your anus/Like refusing to swallow
your phlegm/Tonight we'll let nothing restrain us/Let's feel free to do
unto them" (from "Let's Get Cynical"), you'll likely find this charming.
Chris Hamilton
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:08:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Masada
On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, ia zha nah er vesen wrote:
>
> Does Circle Maker include the band's version of 'kol nidre'(sp)?
No, unless your spelling's really off.
Chris Hamilton
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