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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #263
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, March 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 263
In this issue:
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Re: Oswald's latest
Oswald
"Wedding Disc" for Jon
Re: Oswald
Re: Oswald
Re: The Odyssey Band
Re: More Panthalassa
Ulmer recs?
Re: Oswald
Re: Odyssey
Re: Ulmer recs?
Re: Ulmer recs?
Re: Oswald, etc
Re: Oswald, etc
Re[2]: Oswald
Re: Ulmer recs?
RE: Ground Zero
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:11:47 -0800
From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Oswald's latest
I sent blanks to an address in the Midwest to get free copies of the mystery
tapes, and it was for nought.
Keith
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:54:38 -0800 (PST)
From: "Cappy D'Angelo" <cappyd@UVic.CA>
Subject: Oswald
Are you refering to the original Plunderphonics? I know someone with an
original copy of the cd (cover art and all) - I'm sure he has a price... .
When Oswald was in town for Victoria's tic.toc festival last November, he
gave out some lists of reliable addresses to get copies - I'll try to get
one and post it here. (post an email if you want more about his
visit/lecture/recital or my brief conversation with him...)
Cappy D'Angelo
Student at Law - Intellectual Property
Dabbler in Recording - Sonic Solutions Digital Editing and Mastering
Twanger of Guitar & Blower of Eb Horns of Alto & Bari Persuasion
Victoria, B.C., CANADA
- -
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 06:07:23 +0800
From: Jan-Wen Lu <janwenlu@top2.ficnet.net.tw>
Subject: "Wedding Disc" for Jon
Got a compilation CD that celebrates Jon's marriage. Titled "Jumbled
Sandwich for 6 Feet", on Perfect Gas Stamp. With a lot of
Japanese/American underground artists, UFO Or Die, Akaten, Jad Fair and
Jason Willett, Zubi Zuva, Harpy, etc. Zorn contributes one track, titled
"Kisofim", played by Marc Ribot, Mark Feldman, Eric Friedlander, Greg
Cohen, Cyro Baptista, and Joey Baron. It can be obtained at bigger
record stroe in Japan, such as Tower, DiscUnion, Virgin Mega Store, etc.
Never heard this compilation before, but it's quite great!!
Jan-Wen Lu
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:25:02 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: Oswald
I have a tape of 'Plunderphonics' with a 10 min. thing attached to the
end called 'Rubaiyat' that has some manipulations of stuff by The Doors,
Metallica, etc. My tape is incredibly well-made with a color
photocopied home-made j-card with the cover art and liner notes all
there. Anyway, I'm very interested in hearing more from Oswald (is he
the same alto sax playing John Oswald?) so someone please let me know
what else is out there! Thanks.
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:18:18 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Oswald
>>>>> "Tom" == Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net> writes:
Tom> I have a tape of 'Plunderphonics' with a 10 min. thing
Tom> attached to the end called 'Rubaiyat' that has some
Tom> manipulations of stuff by The Doors, Metallica, etc. My tape
Tom> is incredibly well-made with a color photocopied home-made
Tom> j-card with the cover art and liner notes all there. Anyway,
Tom> I'm very interested in hearing more from Oswald (is he the
Tom> same alto sax playing John Oswald?) so someone please let me
Tom> know what else is out there! Thanks.
Yes, he is the same as the alto player, but he is most well known for
the Plunderphonics. You can read a fairly complete history and
discographical details at http://www.interlog.com/~vacuvox/x.html, but
to make a long story short, there are four plunderphonics disks from
Oswald. The first (which was the one that caused the stink) is
available for download from the site above (or some link from there,
you may have to dig). Note that although you may have this music, you
may not buy or sell it. The second, Rubaiyat, has become the most
unavailable until someone makes it available for download. The Dead
commissioned a series which became a 2-CD set with all samples coming
from various concert recordings of Dark Star, still relatively
available, called Greyfolded (or Greyfol Ded). And finally, JZ
himself commissioned his Avant release Plexure, where the samples are
recognizable and stolen, so it is possible that someone somewhere
sometime may apply the right amount of pressure to get it withdrawn.
I haven't heard Rubaiyat, but Plexure is definitely the place to
start. 1000 samples from pop and rock of the 1980s, sliced, diced,
and blended into an amazing 20-minute piece. Absolutely killer. How
much you like Greyfolded will depend on how much you like the original
group, although some parts of it go way beyond even the Dead's most
outside improvisations, and most serious Oswald lovers will have
this. IMHO, the first one sounds, well, like a first one. The tracks
are instantly recognizable, and he covers all genres of music, from
Michael Jackson (which was the one which got him in so much trouble)
to Dolly Parton to Bing Crosby to Stravinsky.
The site contains a complete discography, but I'll quickly mention his
CD Parade on ReR (also still available) which is interesting
electroacoustic music, much of it for dance, but it is not
plunderphonic.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:53:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: The Odyssey Band
Thanks, Eric and Steve, for the info.
On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Saidel Eric J wrote:
> So, what's this new one like? I must admit, just the idea of it has
> me salivating. I'm just afraid it's like the watered down Ulmer I've
> been hearing of late (with the exception of his Ornette disc).
I wouldn't call it watered down, but it's not nearly on the level of the
original _Odyssey_ (admittedly a pretty high standard). Four out of nine
tracks are vocal numbers, and Ulmer's vocals haven't worked well for me
since _Odyssey_ with the exception of the funk/rock-oriented but still
very good Third Rail album. Aside from that, the group just doesn't seem
as tight. In short, it's pretty decent Blood, but it's not up there with
his best. (Note that the preceding is based on only one listen. I might
very well decide I'm completely wrong.)
Have you heard the last three Music Revelation Ensemble albums
(_In the Name Of..._, _Knights of Power_, _Cross Fire_)? They don't break
any new ground, but they don't sound at all compromised, and the playing
is consistently strong from all parties, I think.
Chris Hamilton
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:01:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: More Panthalassa
On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, DR S WILKIE wrote:
> The rest of the second track on Panthalassa is a mystery to me: I
> assume it comes from the same sessions, but I have no info. And the
> four sets of bloody sleeve-notes tell you nothing!!!
Good to hear Laswell or Sony (whoever's responsible for the lapse) is
staying true to the spirit of the original LPs.8^)
Chris Hamilton
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:28:29 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Ulmer recs?
Christopher Hamilton wrote:
>
> In short, it's pretty decent Blood, but it's not up there with his best.
So what is his best? Ulmer is someone I have yet to check out and I
recently discovered a vinyl store that has quite a few of his LP's but I
did not know what to get. Thanks!
-Tom Pratt
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:08:32 -0800 (PST)
From: "Cappy D'Angelo" <cappyd@UVic.CA>
Subject: Re: Oswald
It IS the alto sax playing Oswald - though he doesn't play often, and then
only improv. There's a disc on AVANT which is similar to the original
plunderphonics but uses MANY artists (he claims several thousand samples)
within each track as opposed to the infamous original with each track
dedicated to one artist. Although only released by Elektra as a promo,
I've seen the 2-cd Rubayait(sp?) in used record stores. Spectre was (I
think) recorded by Kronos (for whom it was composed). The Modern (string)
Quartet from Toronto have performed/commissioned several works by Oswald,
four of which were performed and recorded at the aforementioned tic.toc
festival (digital bootlegs of this are rumored to be available - contact
me privately...). Of course, Oswald's 45-plus-minute Plunderphonic of live
versions of the Grateful Dead's Dark Star (commissioned by Phil Lesh) is
available on "Grayfolded" (on disc two, Oswald "folds" the work upon
itself something like 64,000 times.)
According to the CBC broadcast much new music is on the way from Oswald,
including a plunderphonic of Sonic Youth (commissioned by Sonic Youth).
Cappy D'Angelo
Student at Law - Intellectual Property
Dabbler in Recording - Sonic Solutions Digital Editing and Mastering
Twanger of Guitar & Blower of Eb Horns of Alto & Bari Persuasion
Victoria, B.C., CANADA
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:14:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Odyssey
On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, William York wrote:
> So with Blood Ulmer, I seem to have heard his not
> as good recent stuff- where is the stuff that he made his name with?
At least three that I'd call classics are in print to my knowledge:
_Tales of Captain Black_ (DIW): With Ornette and Denardo Coleman and
Jamaaladeen Tacuma. Sounds closer to early Prime Time than to Ulmer's
mature work, even though he writes all the tunes.
_Do You Still Believe in America?_ (DIW): My favorite example of his
mature style with a sizable cast of players, of whom I'll single out
Shannon Jackson.
_Odyssey_ (Columbia): Unusual guitar/violin/drums lineup. Crisp playing.
Maybe his best songs. Maybe his best album.
I'd also recommend the Music Revelation Ensemble's _No Wave_ (recently,
maybe still, on Moers Music) and _Black Rock_ and _Free Lancing_ (out of
print on Columbia) as good examples of his peak. Other people speak very
highly of some od the Phalanx material with George Adams and Rashied Ali,
but I'm not very familiar with that group, so I'll leave the
recommendations to others.
Chris Hamilton
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:50:36 -0500
From: Alan E Kayser <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Ulmer recs?
Tom Pratt wrote:
> Christopher Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > In short, it's pretty decent Blood, but it's not up there with his
> best.
>
> So what is his best? Ulmer is someone I have yet to check out and I
> recently discovered a vinyl store that has quite a few of his LP's but
> I
> did not know what to get. Thanks!
>
> -Tom Pratt
Ulmer made his reputation with Ornette, and carried the Harmolodic
banner into his own band. They made a couple of killer LPs, like the
Rough Trade "America" and the classic "Odyssey." Different folks but
the identifiable Ulmer sound. His Caravan of Dreams LP is worth
tracking down, very similar to "Odyssey." However, Blood has not lived
up to the reputation, IMHO. Most of his stuff just lacks the spark of
his early work. His singing is most forgetable and his style has not
progressed at all. He's one guy that I keep hoping will again produce a
classic like "Odyssey" but has disappointed for many years. His work
isn't terrible, just lacks the killer. A bit of his style has carried
over to Joe Morris, but Blood's cds pale in comparison to Joe. Next
time you go to buy a Blood cd, think about picking up a Morris instead.
Alan
>
>
> -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:21:53 -0800
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Ulmer recs?
At 09:50 PM 3/17/98 -0500, Alan E Kayser wrote:
>Ulmer made his reputation with Ornette, and carried the Harmolodic
>banner into his own band. They made a couple of killer LPs, like the
>Rough Trade "America" and the classic "Odyssey." Different folks but
>the identifiable Ulmer sound. His Caravan of Dreams LP is worth
>tracking down, very similar to "Odyssey." However, Blood has not lived
>up to the reputation, IMHO. Most of his stuff just lacks the spark of
>his early work. His singing is most forgetable and his style has not
>progressed at all. He's one guy that I keep hoping will again produce a
>classic like "Odyssey" but has disappointed for many years. His work
>isn't terrible, just lacks the killer. A bit of his style has carried
>over to Joe Morris, but Blood's cds pale in comparison to Joe. Next
>time you go to buy a Blood cd, think about picking up a Morris instead.
Three things about Blood:
1) The best way to hear him play is live. There is no comparison to any of
his recordings when he is in front of an audience. Seems to set him on
edge, and he is very responsive to the crowd.
2) A lot of people expect him to be something he isn't. Talking to him, he
is far less interested in being a fiery jazz guitarist than in
resuscitating blues, gospel, funk and turning them into something modern.
None of these really depend on virtuosity delivering their message, and
Blood submerges his own playing to create something bigger than a guitar
showcase.
3) He's a really nice, humble guy.
(Advertisement) There will be a new Third Rail CD coming out this year,
Blood, Amina, Bernie Worrell, Jerome Brailey, and Bill Laswell.
Jeff Spirer
B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com
Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html
Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:27:03 +1100 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <s9606487@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Oswald, etc
I've had this same problem - I wrote to the Copyright Violation
Squad with an IRC and a query, and got no reply.
Then I posted this same bunch of turkeys (at an address I'd just pulled
from the latest Wire) with a blank tape, a return envelope, and 4 IRCs.
Never heard back. And I gotta say: the US mail has always been very kind
about returning any misdirected letters of mine.
So, something got violated. Dunno about copyright, but.
On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Keith McMullen wrote:
> I sent blanks to an address in the Midwest to get free copies of the mystery
> tapes, and it was for nought.
>
> Keith
>
>
> -
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:50:35 EST
From: "MBS" <sablof_m@LSA.Lan.McGill.CA>
Subject: Re: Oswald, etc
> I've had this same problem - I wrote to the Copyright Violation
> Squad with an IRC and a query, and got no reply.
>
> Then I posted this same bunch of turkeys (at an address I'd just pulled
> from the latest Wire) with a blank tape, a return envelope, and 4 IRCs.
> Never heard back. And I gotta say: the US mail has always been very kind
> about returning any misdirected letters of mine.
>
> So, something got violated. Dunno about copyright, but.
Well, within the last year I contacted the Canadian branch at :
The =A9 Violation Squad
(Canadian Chapter)
P.O.Box 30007, Parkgate PO,
N.Vancouver, BC,
V7H 2Y8 CANADA
and had no problem whatsoever.
Their tape (100min) includes the original Plunderphonics, the elektra
songs and Negativland's U2 as well, all on the one tape.
I personally own Plexure, Discosphere (a collection of his dance
works - which does have some plunder-like creations on it, one taken
all from "talking books") & Greyfolded.
If anyone would like a copy made, let me know.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:39:49 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: Re[2]: Oswald
Oswalds ReR CD is called "Discosphere" and is quite excellent. Yes, his pieces
are for dance, but there are a few Plunderphonic ones. In addition, his style
is still the same, whether it uses pop music as base material or not, so all the
pieces are created by manipulation of sound.
The Rubiyat 2CD comp is decent enough (it's got Zorn's cover of TV Eye, the
actual first place I'd ever heard Zorn and Naked City! Blew my MIND!) as well
as a bunch of other covers, all decent to mediocre, but doesn't have any Oswald
on it. The Elektra Promo CD was released in conjunction with the set, and has
five Oswald Plunderphonic pieces on it. Very hard to find, I hear, but the
station I used to work at had one.
I have a tape of Plunderphonics and Elektrax, which also includes a piece by him
called "Parade" which is a plunder of Eric Saties' ballet by the same name (I
think). How much is him, and how much is Satie, it's hard to say. But it's a
good piece.
I'd be willing to make copies for anyone who sends a tape and return postage.
In addition, the site mentioned in a previous post has links to an FTP site
where you can download the actual WAV files from Plunderphonics, so you'se guys
with CD-W drives can cut your own CD.
I also have copies of all the tunes as MP3's. I'd be willing to mail them out
one at a time to interested parties. Let me know by Friday and I can start
mailing Monday.
I also have copies of all the tunes as RealAudio, which is about 6 Megs and I
can send those out to any parties who are curious to hear Oswald right now,
RealAudio quality, no questions asked.
Let me know.
Peter
peter_risser@cinfin.com
risser@goodnews.net
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:41:15 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Ulmer recs?
>>>>> "Alan" == Alan E Kayser <aek1@erols.com> writes:
Alan> A bit of his style has carried over
Alan> to Joe Morris, but Blood's cds pale in comparison to Joe.
Alan> Next time you go to buy a Blood cd, think about picking up a
Alan> Morris instead.
Are we thinking of the same Joe Morris? I've got three CDs and some
vinyl of the Joe Morris Trio, none of which have a beat of any kind,
much less the funky stuff I associate with Blood.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 16:23:00 PST
From: Matt Walsh <MATTW@smginc.com>
Subject: RE: Ground Zero
<<Also, on what label was the Ground Zero album "Revolutionary Pekinese
Opera"
releases, and is it still available?>>
Oddly enough, I was browsing a website I was referred to from another
mailing list (King Crimson), and found this album at the independent
artist shop, inventively called "The Artist Shop". You can find it at:
http://www.artist-shop.com/cuniform/index.htm
they are selling it for $13.99. I think I've seen this at Forced Exposure
as well. According to the Artist Shop site, the label is ReR.
By the way, I have a Ground Zero 7" called "Revolutionary Pekinese
Opera", is this the exact same as the CD?, or part of it?, or something
different completely? Please e-mail directly unless you think it's
worthwhile for the whole list to see it.
Later,
Matthew Walsh
Software Engineer
- Strategic Management Group
mattw@smginc.com
mattmonkw@aol.com
Matt's personal CD jukebox -
Currently playing and annoying co-workers with:
The Great Kat - "Digital Beethoven On Cyberspeed"
- -
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