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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #262
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, March 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 262
In this issue:
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Re: ESP kaput?
Re: The Odyssey Band
Re: ESP kaput?
Indonesian Smithsonians (was: ESP kaput?)
Circle Maker/Avant
Bible Launcher
leo records
re: jim black & pachora
BLAH
Re: More Panthalassa
Re: leo records
RE: Naked city
Re: ESP kaput?
Re: leo records
Aki Takahashi: Hyper Beatles Vol 1
Re: Aki Takahashi: Hyper Beatles Vol 1
Re:Aki Takahashi: Hyper Beatles Vol 1
Re: Jim Black, Odyssey
Re: Jim Black, Odyssey
Oswald's latest
Re: Aki Takahashi: Hyper Beatles Vol 1
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:02:15 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: ESP kaput?
On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Steve Smith wrote:
> longer playing time rather than fetishistic reproduction of original LPs on
> disc, unless I'm going to be getting that 30 minute CD dirt cheap.
don't know what the prices are
like in NY, but out here Amoeba
sells the ZYX re-issue CDs for
US$10! there's no way the
Smithsonians are going to be
that cheap. and the sound quality
isn't too shabby. i was really
happy to finally get "NY Eye
and Ear Control" on CD.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:02:01 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: The Odyssey Band
Steve Smith wrote:
> Christopher Hamilton wrote:
>
> > What has this trio recorded other than Ulmer's _Odyssey_ and the new one?
>
> Nothing at all. But as a quartet with Amin Ali added on bass they recorded
> "Live at the Caravan of Dreams," released in 1986 on the Caravan of Dreams
> label.
Oy. As Eric Saidel already pointed out, the Odyssey trio of Ulmer, Burnham and
Benbow also recorded the live set "Part Time," available on Rough Trade circa
1983. That was the second of the "three discs" Dalachinsky was referring to; the
Knitting Factory disc would therefore be the fourth and the "full circle" to which
he refers. I remembered that about a microsecond before reopening the e-mail
program to find Eric's message. Damn... you leave the computer turned off for a
few days, you grow rusty.
I didn't win Ben Stein's money tonight, either. Gotta take my Geritol.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:15:23 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: ESP kaput?
SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote:
> don't know what the prices are
> like in NY, but out here Amoeba
> sells the ZYX re-issue CDs for
> US$10!
That's better than anything I've seen here. OTOH, I bought my ZYX ESPs when I
lived in Texas, where just about everything was more affordable assuming it came
to you at all.
> there's no way the
> Smithsonians are going to be
> that cheap.
Agreed, but in the right hands sometimes the extra money provides extra value...
> and the sound quality
> isn't too shabby. i was really
> happy to finally get "NY Eye
> and Ear Control" on CD.
I was, too. But it was kinda heinous shelling out full price for some of the
skimpier releases, even though in my heart of hearts (whatever the hell that
means) I was simply pleased to be able to buy most of these thingees. But after
the exemplary job they've done on their ongoing Indonesian series as well as the
Harry Smith box everyone was talking about this year, I want to believe (quoth
Mulder) that Smithsonian Folkways will treat the ESP catalog with the same kind
of reverence they've displayed towards other offbeat and anti-commercial
indigenous musics.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:36:04 EST
From: JonAbbey2 <JonAbbey2@aol.com>
Subject: Indonesian Smithsonians (was: ESP kaput?)
In a message dated 3/17/98 2:24:16 AM, ssmith36@sprynet.com wrote:
<<But after the exemplary job they've done on their ongoing Indonesian
series>>
Good to see you back, Steve. I know we're a little ways from being on topic
here but I'd love to hear some recommendations for the best of this series. I
only have Volume 3: From The Outskirts Of Jakarta and I like it a lot.
ObZorn: Circle Maker has a way more relaxed feel to it than Bar Kokhba did. I
especially think the sextet disc is one of the more successful of JZ's recent
releases. And Marc Ribot just keeps getting better and better.
Jon
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:45:45 +0100
From: flamerik@best.ms.philips.com
Subject: Circle Maker/Avant
Bjoern asked:
> JOHN ZORN "The Circle Maker" (Tzadik) 2xcd 21.00
> is this already out?????????
> any reviews...after the great Angelus Novus and the even greater
> Filmworks 8....another highlight???
I hope it will reach these shores aka Holland soon. I've had some problems
lately with obtaining Tzadik/Avant/DIW stuff. I haven't seen Masada 9 yet,
and it is rumoured that the import of Avant will cease altogether. Which is
a pity, because I was looking out for the Weird Little Boy album on Avant.
Frankco.
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 03:05:17 EST
From: Dgasque <Dgasque@aol.com>
Subject: Bible Launcher
I never heard anyone mention any luck in getting this reissue from Radical
House, so I thought I would go ahead and take the plunge. If it proves
successful (or unsuccessful), i'll let ya'll know...
=dgasque=
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:10:12 +0300 (MEST)
From: Vadim Marmer <msvadi@olive.mscc.huji.ac.il>
Subject: leo records
does anybody know the place on internet where i can buy Leo Records
releases? i`m looking for Ganelin Trio & Sergei Kurehin CDs.
(please, don`t mention JazzHausMusik, it took 3 month to get cds from them
& they don`t accept credit cards).
another question: anyone have idea where can i order David Azarian Trio
cds?
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:29:21 -0800 (PST)
From: leon lee <llee15@ccsf.cc.ca.us>
Subject: re: jim black & pachora
if you haven't checke out Human Feel, i'd highly suggest it (as i'm sure
most people on this list). their 'scatter' lp is great, although every
release i have is worth a blind buy. personnel includes chris speed,
andrew d'angelo, jim black, kurt rosenwinkle and a now defunkt bassist
onthe 'scatter' session. plus jim black as an integral member in Tiny
Bell Trio is equally exciting and fresh.
one album that i enjoy very much is Hiroshi Minami's "Message from
Parlienna' with jim black. his intro solo on Ryuichi Sakamoto's 'Merry
Christmas Mr. Lawrence' is lyrical, texturally sensitive and incredibly
spacial and dynamic. truly a great drummer. i could go on and on... (ie.
tim berne's group w/ jim black et all). you get the point.
does pachora have something released?
leon
disclaimer:it's all blue.
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 04:53:32 EST
From: FUNKADELlC <FUNKADELlC@aol.com>
Subject: BLAH
I SAW BUCKETHEAD PLAY THIS WEEKEND IT WAZ GOOD HE HAD GIANT ROBOT MOVIES ON HE
DID BASKETBALL TRICKS STEPHEN PERKINS AND MIKE WATT PLAYED BEFORE HIM IT WAS
HAPPY NIGHT
- -cory sklar
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:48:58 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: More Panthalassa
Black Satin hews closely to the original: I don't know about the
"tag" at the end, but Miles' trumpet solo is taken completely from
side one of On The Corner. However, they're not identical: on
Panthalassa the "theme" is played twice (tho' with one statement less
than the first time) before the sharp drum beat break that follows
the first theme statement on On The Corner. And Laswell has
"snipped" a bit out of the middle of Miles' solo (most of the snipped
bit is rather dull, I have to say) as we hear it on On The Corner.
The other big difference is that one of the percussion instruments
(sounds like a sack of tambourine cymbals) has been removed
completely. I can sort of understand that: it makes the
rhythms crisper.
The rest of the second track on Panthalassa is a mystery to me: I
assume it comes from the same sessions, but I have no info. And the
four sets of bloody sleeve-notes tell you nothing!!!
Sean.
Next: September 72, Rated X and Billy Preston - two of my favourites!
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:46:51 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: leo records
>>>>> "Vadim" == Vadim Marmer <msvadi@olive.mscc.huji.ac.il> writes:
Vadim> does anybody know the place on internet where i can buy Leo
Vadim> Records releases? i`m looking for Ganelin Trio & Sergei
Vadim> Kurehin CDs. (please, don`t mention JazzHausMusik, it took
Vadim> 3 month to get cds from them & they don`t accept credit
Vadim> cards). another question: anyone have idea where can i
Vadim> order David Azarian Trio cds?
Try cadence at www.cadencebuilding.com. They are the US distributors
for Leo.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:53:30 -0500 (EST)
From: edechena@thomas.butler.edu (Dechenaux Emmanuel)
Subject: RE: Naked city
Marc Ducret is going to play in the jazz festival of my hometown, in
France. This guy is just great, especially because of his approach of
rhythm and sound. Did you know that almost everything was written ? He
uses specific notations for the kind of harmonics he produces by plucking
the strings close to the body of the guitar with his pick. I began to
listen to Frisell a long time ago and then I came to Kevin Eubanks, and
eventually Ducret. I think these guys are going beyond everything that has
been made so far. Have ever heard of MAO by Noel Akchote, with Helene
Labarriere (Ducret's wife) playing the stick. What about "Soundpages", so
close to "Live" by Frisell...
Sincerely,
M_base
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:07:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: ESP kaput?
On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Tom Pratt wrote:
> Also, speaking of ESP... If anyone has any/both of those two very rare
> ESP LP's by Don Pullen and Milford Graves and wouldn't mind taping them
> for me, please get in touch! Thanks.
the 2 volumes of _nommo_ weren't actually on esp. they were
artist-released and are now extremely rare. however, milford did have
a record as a leader on esp with sunny morgan called _milford graves
percussion ensemble_, which is pretty heavy. i would recommend that disc
to anyone thinking about picking up some of the esp titles before they go
out of print on cd. i'm pretty sure that get back hasn't issued the graves
disc on vinyl and i've also heard that @ least some of the get back titles
were mastered from the zyx cds, complete with digital skips. milford
also plays drums @ least 2 or 3 of the first 20 or so esp titles.
_new york art quartet_ is another essential score. albert ayler's
_spiritual unity_ is also a must-have.
b
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:12:47 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw <beuchaw@nathan.enteract.com>
Subject: Re: leo records
On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Caleb Deupree wrote:
> >>>>> "Vadim" == Vadim Marmer <msvadi@olive.mscc.huji.ac.il> writes:
>
> Vadim> does anybody know the place on internet where i can buy Leo
> Vadim> Records releases? i`m looking for Ganelin Trio & Sergei
> Vadim> Kurehin CDs. (please, don`t mention JazzHausMusik, it took
> Vadim> 3 month to get cds from them & they don`t accept credit
> Vadim> cards). another question: anyone have idea where can i
> Vadim> order David Azarian Trio cds?
>
> Try cadence at www.cadencebuilding.com. They are the US distributors
> for Leo.
And Leo's homepage is at www.atlas.co.uk/leorecords, FYI....
cya
brian
- --------------------------------------------------------
"The most dementing of all modern sins: the inability to
distinguish excellence from success." - David Hare
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 98 14:54:24 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Aki Takahashi: Hyper Beatles Vol 1
Perusing Carl Stone's site (sukothai.com), I came across a listing of
the above album (on Toshiba-EMI) which, as near as I can tell,
consists of interpretations of Beatles songs by, among others, Stone
(He Said She Said), Cage, Curran and Rzewski. While I'm no Beatles fan
by any stretch, this does sound intriguing.
Anyone heard it?
Brian Olewnick
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:12:09 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: Aki Takahashi: Hyper Beatles Vol 1
On Tue, 17 Mar 1998 brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote:
> Perusing Carl Stone's site (sukothai.com), I came across a listing of
> the above album (on Toshiba-EMI) which, as near as I can tell,
> consists of interpretations of Beatles songs by, among others, Stone
> (He Said She Said), Cage, Curran and Rzewski. While I'm no Beatles fan
> by any stretch, this does sound intriguing.
Yup, it does exist! I've heard it, but remember little about it, other
than Cage's piece, which, if memory serves, consisted of a whole lot of
piano transcriptions of Beatles tunes superimposed.
- - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1----------
|||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \|||
||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
|/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \|
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:01:54 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: Re:Aki Takahashi: Hyper Beatles Vol 1
It does indeed sound really interesting, but I once wrote Carl Stone about it,
jeez, must have been two years ago, and he said he had just sold the last one
and was now officially out of print.
That's what he told me anyway.
Peter
____________________Reply Separator____________________
Subject: Aki Takahashi: Hyper Beatles Vol 1
Author: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
Date: 03/17/1998 2:54 PM
Perusing Carl Stone's site (sukothai.com), I came across a listing of
the above album (on Toshiba-EMI) which, as near as I can tell,
consists of interpretations of Beatles songs by, among others, Stone
(He Said She Said), Cage, Curran and Rzewski. While I'm no Beatles fan
by any stretch, this does sound intriguing.
Anyone heard it?
Brian Olewnick
- -
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:02:34 -0500 (EST)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: Jim Black, Odyssey
I saw Pachora too, and while I thought they were good, they don't touch
Dave Douglas tiny bell trio (which has Jim Black and Brad Shepik, half of
Pachora). They go farther out and are less self consciously ethnic, if
you get the live in europe believe me its better than the Pachora album,
which doesn't capture Pachora's live sound. Plus I don't like the
electric bass in Pachora. Also, you can hear Jim Black w/ Bloodcount,
Ellery Eskelin, and he's touring with Anthony Coleman now. He is great.
I heard the Odyssey band's new one, doing a review for it, and I would say
its a little watered down. The guitar sound is too slick for me. There
are a few good songs, but more square, boring rock songs with vocals, I'm
not too big on those. So with Blood Ulmer, I seem to have heard his not
as good recent stuff- where is the stuff that he made his name with?
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:02:34 -0500 (EST)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: Jim Black, Odyssey
I saw Pachora too, and while I thought they were good, they don't touch
Dave Douglas tiny bell trio (which has Jim Black and Brad Shepik, half of
Pachora). They go farther out and are less self consciously ethnic, if
you get the live in europe believe me its better than the Pachora album,
which doesn't capture Pachora's live sound. Plus I don't like the
electric bass in Pachora. Also, you can hear Jim Black w/ Bloodcount,
Ellery Eskelin, and he's touring with Anthony Coleman now. He is great.
I heard the Odyssey band's new one, doing a review for it, and I would say
its a little watered down. The guitar sound is too slick for me. There
are a few good songs, but more square, boring rock songs with vocals, I'm
not too big on those. So with Blood Ulmer, I seem to have heard his not
as good recent stuff- where is the stuff that he made his name with?
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:13:48 EST
From: "MBS" <sablof_m@LSA.Lan.McGill.CA>
Subject: Oswald's latest
Listening to the CBC a few weeks back, I learned what John Oswald is
currently working on. He said that it was an orchestral work in
which the players were directed/conducted (not sure what he said or
even meant... ) by slides being projected in the theatre. The slides
are to contain words in English and French and he mentioned that it
would explore homophones across the languages.
The only other facts that I recall were that it is to be a 10 minute
work and it will be presented in Canada.
Anyone else have any info? Any out there own any of Oswald's mystery
tapes? Anyone want to discuss his works? Let me know..
Good day all.
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:21:18 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Aki Takahashi: Hyper Beatles Vol 1
On Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:01:54 UT peter_risser@cinfin.com wrote:
>
> It does indeed sound really interesting, but I once wrote Carl Stone about it,
> jeez, must have been two years ago, and he said he had just sold the last one
> and was now officially out of print.
>
I think there was a total of four volumes:
Hyperbeatles
Norwegian Wood
Get Back
and Let it Be
including songs arranged by: Volans, Naito, Finnissy, Cage, Vierk, Takemitsu,
Oliveros, Saariaho, Altena, Tenney, Riley, Curran, Ikebe, Kang, Mikhashoff,
Cage, Miyake, Garland, Norgard, etc
Here is the description of the second (from the Guy Klucevsek disco):
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
023 - NORWEGIAN WOOD - HYPER MUSIC FROM LENNON & McCARTNEY: Aki Takahashi
This record features arrangements/recompositions of Beatles songs by Pauline
Oliveros, Guy Klucevsek, Per Norgard, Shin-Ichiro Ikebe, Alvin Curran, Sukhi
Kang, Mamoru Fujieda, Alvin Lucier, Tan Dun, Ayuo Takahashi, Yvar
Mikhashoff, Terry Riley, Walter Zimmerman.
1/ Monk's Intermezzo (arr. Klucevsek) 3:23
Aki Takahashi: piano.
1991 - Eastworld/Toshiba/EMI (Japan), TOCE-8023 (CD)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ____________________Reply Separator____________________
> Subject: Aki Takahashi: Hyper Beatles Vol 1
> Author: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
> Date: 03/17/1998 2:54 PM
>
>
> Perusing Carl Stone's site (sukothai.com), I came across a listing of
> the above album (on Toshiba-EMI) which, as near as I can tell,
> consists of interpretations of Beatles songs by, among others, Stone
> (He Said She Said), Cage, Curran and Rzewski. While I'm no Beatles fan
> by any stretch, this does sound intriguing.
>
> Anyone heard it?
>
> Brian Olewnick
>
>
>
> -
>
>
> -
>
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