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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #264
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, March 19 1998 Volume 02 : Number 264
In this issue:
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Re: Ground Zero
Zorn/Patton/Spruance CD
Re: Ground Zero
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #263
Re: Ground Zero
Re: Pachora in Pittsburgh
Re: Joe Morris
RE: Pachora in Pittsburgh
Reissues question
Re: Zorn/Patton/Spruance CD
A Question For All You Music Scholars Out There
Albert Ayler
Re: Albert Ayler (Painkiller/Morphine section)
Albert Ayler
NAKED LUNCH
Kaiser
either/orchestra
Re: concrete jazz
praxis
NAKED LUNCH
praxis
Re: NAKED LUNCH
JOHN ZORN: DURAS: DUCHAMP
Re: JOHN ZORN: DURAS: DUCHAMP
Third Rail for Sale
Re: praxis
Re: Pachora in Pittsburgh
Belew On Skins
Re: praxis
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:33:00 -0800
From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Ground Zero
>Oddly enough, I was browsing a website I was referred to from another
>mailing list (King Crimson),
Speaking of which, I'm going to see Projekt Two tonight...Fripp, Belew, Gunn
trio...
Will I regret it?
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 18:37:00 PST
From: Matt Walsh <MATTW@smginc.com>
Subject: Zorn/Patton/Spruance CD
I just noticed this CD listed at Music Boulevard, and I don't think I've
seen any mention of it on this list, does anyone have any info on this
CD? It sounds very intriquing, but the price ($28) is scaring me away...
John Zorn / Mike Patton / Trey Sprunace
"Weird Little Boy"
Hatar , Released 02/27/98
IMPORT - JAPAN
Please let me know. Thanks.
Later,
Matthew Walsh
Software Engineer
- Strategic Management Group
mattw@smginc.com
mattmonkw@aol.com
Matt's personal CD jukebox -
Currently playing and annoying co-workers with:
Victor Wooten - "What Did He Say?"
- -
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:07:09 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Ground Zero
>>>>> "Matt" == Matt Walsh <MATTW@smginc.com> writes:
Matt> By the way, I have a Ground Zero 7" called "Revolutionary
Matt> Pekinese Opera", is this the exact same as the CD?, or part
Matt> of it?, or something different completely? Please e-mail
Matt> directly unless you think it's worthwhile for the whole list
Matt> to see it.
According to the discography at
http://www2.gol.com/users/miyuki/yotomo/yotomo.html, the 7" is version
1.50, and the ReR CD is 1.28.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:58:04 -0500
From: "Jason J. Tar" <tarjason@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #263
>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 16:23:00 PST
>From: Matt Walsh <MATTW@smginc.com>
>Subject: RE: Ground Zero
>
>By the way, I have a Ground Zero 7" called "Revolutionary Pekinese
>Opera", is this the exact same as the CD?, or part of it?, or something
>different completely? Please e-mail directly unless you think it's
>worthwhile for the whole list to see it.
Thought someone else may care, so replied to all.
The 7" is very different from the CD. The A-side is somewhat a new track,
while the B-Side is a live track. It was available from Gentle Giant
records, but last I heard they were down to less than 10 copies left.
btw--TV Pow and Otomo Yoshihide should be touring some parts of the midwest
US in early May. I know a May 12th date is set for Cleveland, but not sure
of other dates yet.
JJTar
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:22:52 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: Ground Zero
On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Keith McMullen wrote:
> Speaking of which, I'm going to see Projekt Two tonight...Fripp, Belew, Gunn
> trio...
i thought it was Fripp/Bruford/Gunn?
looking forward to seeing this
22 March at the Great American in SF.
> Will I regret it?
is this a rhetorical question?
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:45:09 -0500 (EST)
From: edechena@thomas.butler.edu (Dechenaux Emmanuel)
Subject: Re: Pachora in Pittsburgh
Can anybody give the address of a web site where I could register for a
King Crimson mailing list ?
Thanx
M_base
- -
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:53:51 +0100
From: Nils Jacobson <JACOBSON@frodo.mgh.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: Joe Morris
Caleb T. Deupree writes:
> Are we thinking of the same Joe Morris? I've got three CDs and some
> vinyl of the Joe Morris Trio, none of which have a beat of any kind,
> much less the funky stuff I associate with Blood.
First, I don't think you've been listening very closely. Joe is always
playing with a beat. His stuff swings. The beat is understated, buried,
but it's always there. Listen to it closely. Subtlety in the rhythm
department. Now if you want a strong thump on the one and three, perhaps
that's not the place to look.
Joe has a power trio funk album called Sweatshop out since 1990 which is
available from Cadence, as well as something new coming out shortly (don't
remember the label and title right off) with a sextet, more along the
lines of polyphonics and texture.
Really gotta check this guy out.
- -Nils
- -
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:44:10 -0600
From: Glenn Astarita <gastarit@comm.net>
Subject: RE: Pachora in Pittsburgh
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dechenaux Emmanuel [SMTP:edechena@thomas.butler.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 6:45 PM
To: Christopher Hamilton
Cc: zorn-list@xmission.com
Subject: Re: Pachora in Pittsburgh
Can anybody give the address of a web site where I could register for a
King Crimson mailing list ?
Thanx
M_base
[Glenn Astarita] =20
Its called Elephant Talk.....do a search on the web and you'll find the =
website and details. I subscribe but don't have the info at =
hand...beware ! The list is overpopulated ! If you have lots of time to =
burn than go for it ! I've been meaning to "unsub" for quite =
sometime......
ga
- -
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:10:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeff Gretz <KGGF@grove.iup.edu>
Subject: Reissues question
i'm recently going on a major zorn kick and am going to finally buy all the
zorn albums i've been putting off buying for years. one question though. I've
been seeing a lot of albums come out on Tzadik that i never thought would come
out on that label (Black Box, Painkiller, Filmworks) does anyone know if there
are any plans of releasing the following (even if in box set form)
The big gundown
cobra
spillane
spy vs. spy
Live at the Knitting factory: John Zorn's Cobra
john zorn's cobra: Tokyo Operations '94
Naked city
Grand Guignol
Absinthe
Heretic
Radio
the masada catalog
let me know
i don't want to but them import if i'm gonna have to sell them for the Tzadik
reissues, which i think are great and in every case much better in sound and
packaging.
jeff
- -
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:12:41 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Zorn/Patton/Spruance CD
> I just noticed this CD listed at Music Boulevard, and I don't think I've
> seen any mention of it on this list, does anyone have any info on this
> CD? It sounds very intriquing, but the price ($28) is scaring me away...
>
> John Zorn / Mike Patton / Trey Sprunace
> "Weird Little Boy"
> Hatar , Released 02/27/98
> IMPORT - JAPAN
I read that it was a noisy improvisation type thing, which is
understandable since that is what these guys have been doing together
lately. But the site where I read that could've been wrong.
- -
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:23:37 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: A Question For All You Music Scholars Out There
simply for my own interest:
Does anyone know of any concertos (from any musical period) with 4
movements rather than the usual 3? The only one I can think of off the top
of my head is Brahms' 2nd piano concerto.
- -
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 03:51:14
From: "Doug McKay" <mckay003@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Albert Ayler
Albert Ayler has 31 albums! Only 7 of which are on ESP.
I've got "Spiritual Unity" ('64) and "New York Eye and Ear Control" ('64).
The other ESP albums are "Vibrations" ('64), "Spirits Rejoice" ('65),
"Bells: At Town Hall" (65), "At Slugs Saloon, vols. 1&2" ('66).
Here's my question. Are these ESP albums I don't have some of his best, or
can I bypass some to afford some of his others? Although completeness is
appealing there's just too many here, so I have to be selective.
I found a discography on www.thenewage.com, which is why I'm not going to
include it here.
I sure do like Ayler.
New purchase: "At the Golden Circle, vols 1&2" - Ornette Coleman. Total
price - $5.22 when choosing as BMG freebies.
I lent Zorn's first "Naked City", first "Film Music" and Painkiller's
"Execution Ground" to someone who was playing Morphine (who I hadn't heard
before but made me think this guy might like Zorn). His initial reaction
was Painkiller over the others.
Doug McKay
In Minnesota
- -
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:40:04 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Albert Ayler (Painkiller/Morphine section)
> I lent Zorn's first "Naked City", first "Film Music" and Painkiller's
> "Execution Ground" to someone who was playing Morphine (who I hadn't
heard
> before but made me think this guy might like Zorn). His initial reaction
> was Painkiller over the others.
It's a similar instrumentation i think. I personally find Morphine pretty
boring though.
- -
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 05:35:20
From: "Doug McKay" <mckay003@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Albert Ayler
I missed "Prophecy" ('64) as another ESP album.
Doug McKay
In Minnesota
- -
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 10:10:46 -0300
From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar
Subject: NAKED LUNCH
Hello Folks!
I'm a brand new member in this list and I'd like to know if anybody ever
listened to:
NAKED LUNCH:William S. Burroughs
Music by Bill Frisell, Wayne Horvitz and Eyvind Kang
1995- Warner (USA), 2-522206 (3xCD)
This is the info I have -according to web-, but I couldn't get the CD in
any store in my country. Does it really exist? If so, what about it?
Please Help!
Hugo, from Argentina
- -
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:22:40 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Kaiser
I know that some of you out there have the (Y)earbooks. Can someone explain
to me what Henry Kaiser is doing on the first track to get those weird and
wonderful sounds?
- -
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:11:09 -0500
From: Alan E Kayser <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: either/orchestra
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Pardon the non-Zorn related posting. Either/Orchestra will be
performing here in Philadelphia on April 3 at 8pm. It will be held at
the Unitarian Church on Chestnut St between 21st and 22nd. For more
information contact aek1@erols.com or stop in at Classical Choice, 21st
and Walnut. Ask for Alan. For those of you who don't know, this is one
terrific ten man lineup. Should be lots of fun. And thanks to all of
you who attended our first concert, Pachora.
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<HTML>
Pardon the non-Zorn related posting. Either/Orchestra will be performing
here in Philadelphia on April 3 at 8pm. It will be held at the Unitarian
Church on Chestnut St between 21st and 22nd. For more information
contact <U>aek1@erols.com</U> or stop in at Classical Choice, 21st and
Walnut. Ask for Alan. For those of you who don't know, this
is one terrific ten man lineup. Should be lots of fun. And
thanks to all of you who attended our first concert, Pachora.</HTML>
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:16:26 EST
From: Tag Yr It <TagYrIt@aol.com>
Subject: Re: concrete jazz
If anyone's interested in this, I have a copy available:
J1816/LP/Hubbard, Freddie/Sing Me A Song of Songmy/Ex+(saw mark)/Ex+(minor
wol)/Atlantic SD 1576/$8.00
Thanks.....
Dale.
Little Nighttown Music
- -
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:07:33 -0700
From: Jason Tors <jtors@usinteractive.com>
Subject: praxis
I realize that this discussion has already taken place, but I am interested
in some suggestions for future Praxis recordings. I picked up Sacrifist
about three weeks ago. It really hit me today how good it is. I have been
told that Sacrifist is not one of the greatest Praxis albums, in which
case, could someone suggest the absolute greatest Praxis album. Privately
if it is too redundant for the list.
That cut called The Hook blows me away.
JT
- -
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 12:15:58 -0300
From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar
Subject: NAKED LUNCH
Jay,
Don't worry; any info I could get, I'll let you know.
Anyway, what I do really need is information; the stores I've asked for
(in Argentina) gave me no answer.
Maybe in your big country you could get any info of it.
Hugo, from Argentina
- -
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:27:52 -0700
From: Jason Tors <jtors@usinteractive.com>
Subject: praxis
Sorry did not mean "future" recordings, I meant other recordings that I
could purchase in the future.
JT
- -
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:26:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Ross Davis <mrd@artswire.org>
Subject: Re: NAKED LUNCH
>This is the info I have -according to web-, but I couldn't get the CD in
>any store in my country. Does it really exist? If so, what about it?
Yes, it exists, and it's a wonderful recording! The music is interludish
and comes between larger sections of reading, and only overlaps Burroughs's
voice in a few spots.
If you enjoy listening to Burroughs read his own work, this is a MUST have.
If you're a Frisell completist and don't like Burroughs at all, it might
not be so urgent, since there isn't really a tremendous amount of music on
it. It's nothing like Seven Souls - the music which comes between sections
of reading is very spacey and far-out kinda stuff...some very very cool
sounds. But it's not the kind of CD you'd play just to listen to the music
(the musical sections are not on separate tracks from the readings).
M
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 14:56:13 -0300
From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar
Subject: JOHN ZORN: DURAS: DUCHAMP
Is there anybody out there who can give me any opinions/ suggestions
about this CD? Should I buy it?:
John Zorn: Duras: Duchamp
Tzadik 7023
M. Feldman/ A. Coleman/ C. Bard/ C. Cummins/ J. Medeski/ J. Pugliese
E. Friedlander
Thanks,
Hugo, from Argentina
- -
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:47:50 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: JOHN ZORN: DURAS: DUCHAMP
>>>>> "Hugo" == hulinare <hulinare@bemberg.com.ar> writes:
Hugo> Is there anybody out there who can give me any opinions/
Hugo> suggestions about this CD? Should I buy it?:
Hugo> John Zorn: Duras: Duchamp Tzadik 7023 M. Feldman/
Hugo> A. Coleman/ C. Bard/ C. Cummins/ J. Medeski/ J. Pugliese
Hugo> E. Friedlander
Two of JZ's more ambient pieces. Duras is very much like Redbird, I
think it's even the same ensemble. If you liked Redbird, you'll like
Duras. Duchamp is much stranger, but also for the most part very
quiet. Unlike Redbird and Duras, there are occasional sudden louder,
more noisy bursts, overall extremely minimal and enigmatic and not
really comparable to anything else I've heard from JZ.
A drawback for me is that the characteristics of the two pieces are
very different. While my companion would probably like Duras,
Duchamp would get on one of her last nerves, so I don't play this much
at home. It's way too minimal to play in the car or at the office, so
I end up not listening to it much. However, I do like the music quite
a bit and would recommend it if you like JZ's quieter, more abstract
material.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:09:02 -0500 (EST)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Third Rail for Sale
Anyone who wants to buy my copy of Third Rail- South Delta Space Age
you can have it for 8 bucks, let me know.
- -
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:44:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: praxis
On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Jason Tors wrote:
> I have been
> told that Sacrifist is not one of the greatest Praxis albums, in which
> case, could someone suggest the absolute greatest Praxis album.
My favorite is the original EP, recently reissued on Subharmonic (don't
know about the sound quality on the reissue, given what I've heard about
other reissues), but it sounds nothing like any of the others, being an
experimental electrofunk record. I actually do think _Sacrifist_ is the
best of the Buckethead-centered version of Praxis, because it has the most
variety, but I may well be in the minority. _Transmutation (Mutatis
Mutandis)_ (Axiom) is fun P-Funk-meets-shred-metal stuff, but a little
wearing for me over the long haul. I'm really jazzed on the recent
_Transmutation Live_ (Douglas) which has a more improvisational feel and,
between DXT and the Invisibl Skratch Picklz, features a small army of
turntablists. I'd avoid _Metatron_, featuring a stripped-down trio of
Buckethead, Laswell, and Brain on a disappointingly straightforward hard
rock set.
Chris Hamilton
- -
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:41:51 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Pachora in Pittsburgh
Dechenaux Emmanuel wrote:
> Can anybody give the address of a web site where I could register for a
> King Crimson mailing list ?
http://www.elephant-talk.com
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:41:28 -0800
From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Belew On Skins
>Dechenaux Emmanuel wrote:
>
>> Can anybody give the address of a web site where I could register for a
>> King Crimson mailing list ?
>
>http://www.elephant-talk.com
Why might Robert Fripp be able to stand playing in a trio with adrian belew
on drums? In Projekt 2, Fripp and Gunn are stellar, but it is so hard to
ignore Belew pounding sophomorically on the drums. help me somebody.
keith
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:55:38 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: praxis
Jason Tors wrote:
> I have been
> told that Sacrifist is not one of the greatest Praxis albums, in which
> case, could someone suggest the absolute greatest Praxis album. Privately
> if it is too redundant for the list.
Nothing is too redundant for the List.
The difficulty in assessing the relative value of Praxis albums is that none of
them is in precisely the same style or genre as the others. So if you love the
deep ass funk of "Transmutation," you might very well loath the spurting death
metallic "Sacrafist." I, on the other hand, in general prefer thrash to funk
and therefore "Sacrafist" is far and away my favorite Praxis disc. "Metatron"
is not really either of the above, and struck me as flashy guitar heroics of a
type I'm not moved by. I haven't heard the new live disc but I imagine that
pairing Buckethead and Brain with the Invisible Skratch Picklz was probably not
a bad thing...
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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