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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #261
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Zorn List Digest Monday, March 16 1998 Volume 02 : Number 261
In this issue:
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Rodd Keith
[none]
Circle Maker
Re: Pachora in Pittsburgh
Kletka Red
Re: Rodd Keith
Re: Kletka Red
ESP kaput?
Re: ESP kaput?
Re: ESP kaput?
Re: Pachora in Pittsburgh
Re: Circle Maker
The Odyssey Band
Re: ESP kaput?
Re: Mimaroglu and friends
Re: The Odyssey Band
RE: Naked city
Re: ESP kaput?
Re: The Odyssey Band
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:09:25 -0800 (PST)
From: chad edwards <chadhead@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Rodd Keith
Is anyone familiar with the ROD KEITH: I DIED TODAY
release on TZADIK. It sounds interesting, but I was
hoping someone could summerize it for me before I buy
it.
Also what is implied by TZADIK's use of the term
"lunatic fringe"?
Chad.
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:22:35 +0100 (MEZ)
From: BJOERN <bjoern.eichstaedt@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
Subject: [none]
JOHN ZORN "The Circle Maker" (Tzadik) 2xcd 21.00
Wow! Essentially part two to Zorn's wonderful "Bar Kohkba." Let's go
with the obi: "The first cd, "Issachar," showcases the exciting Masada
String Trio and features the telepathic interplay of Mark Feldman, Erik
Friedlander and Greg Cohen. The second cd, "Zevulum," expands the trio into
a sextet with Marc Ribot, Cyro Baptista and Joey Baron. Passion and
virtuosic fireworks abound in this historic set of New Jewish Music at its
best."
is this already out?????????
any reviews...after the great Angelus Novus and the even greater
Filmworks 8....another highlight???
BJOERN
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:27:37 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Circle Maker
At 2:22 PM -0600 3/16/98, BJOERN wrote:
>JOHN ZORN "The Circle Maker" (Tzadik) 2xcd 21.00
>...
>is this already out?????????
Comes out in the USA tomorrow 3/17.
Dan
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:47:36 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: Pachora in Pittsburgh
> Just got back from my show with these guys and I was absolutely blown
> away. All four band members played extremely well (although Chris Speed
> seemed to be having some embouchure problems). Brad Shepik's bouzouki (?)
> playing sounded very John McLaughlin-influenced at points. Jim Black was
> just jaw-droppingly wonderful, as ever. Is there a better drummer around
> these days? Particularly impressive was that they played this wonderful
My curiosoty is piqued...i've heard tales of this ledgendary Jim Black
guy, and any band with a bouzouki player needs to be heard, i think.
What do they sound like?
Any amazing albums out?
- -jascha
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:22:04 -0800 (PST)
From: C E DANGELO <cappyd@UVic.CA>
Subject: Kletka Red
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I can't stop listening to Hijacking. Have these three done anything else
together? Do they tour? Any recommendations on other klezmer-punk albums?
- -cappyd at the edge of the world
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 16:38:47 -0500
From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu
Subject: Re: Rodd Keith
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Rodd Keith
Author: chad edwards <chadhead@rocketmail.com> at SMTP-for-MSSM
Date: 3/16/98 12:09 PM
Is anyone familiar with the ROD KEITH: I DIED TODAY
release on TZADIK. It sounds interesting, but I was
hoping someone could summerize it for me before I buy
it.
It's a good bit of fun, quite different from
anything else you're likely to find around. Consists
of Keith's music for lyrics that folks sent in (the
old 'send in your lyrics, we'll set 'em to music and
make you a star' scam), some of the absolute worst
lyrics (in a fun sense) you'll ever hear. The music
ranges across several styles and is, once in a
while, actually pretty catchy. Worth getting.
Also what is implied by TZADIK's use of the term
"lunatic fringe"?
I've wondered a bit about that myself. For example, why is Butler's album
classified herein? What's so "lunatic" about him? Zorn didn't issue Harry Partch
under this designation; I kind of wonder how Butler feels about it. For that
matter, how did Jon escape being grouped here?
Brian Olewnick
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- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:27:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Gauthier Michelle A <7mag2@qlink.queensu.ca>
Subject: Re: Kletka Red
Hey. Actually they ARE playing the Victoriaville festival in Quebec!!!!!!
Go check it out! May 14-18, 1998.
m.
On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, C E DANGELO wrote:
> I can't stop listening to Hijacking. Have these three done anything else
> together? Do they tour? Any recommendations on other klezmer-punk albums?
>
> -cappyd at the edge of the world
>
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:44:32 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: ESP kaput?
I was told today that the word on the street is that the entire CD
catalogue of ESP is going out of print very shortly and reissues
unlikely (especially in the near future). Has anybody else heard this
same thing??
Also, speaking of ESP... If anyone has any/both of those two very rare
ESP LP's by Don Pullen and Milford Graves and wouldn't mind taping them
for me, please get in touch! Thanks.
Psyched for Circle Maker tomorrow!!!
-Tom Pratt
P.S. I still have a couple disc left for sale ($10 a pop)...
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:33:14 +0000
From: Yin Pin <yinpin@pop6.jaring.my>
Subject: Re: ESP kaput?
theres good news however that the ESP back catalog are now
being licensed by an italian label, Get Back for
LP releases. surf yourself over to www.forcedexposure.com.
- -pin
At 06:44 PM 3/16/98 -0500, Tom Pratt wrote:
>I was told today that the word on the street is that the entire CD
>catalogue of ESP is going out of print very shortly and reissues
>unlikely (especially in the near future). Has anybody else heard this
>same thing??
>
>Also, speaking of ESP... If anyone has any/both of those two very rare
>ESP LP's by Don Pullen and Milford Graves and wouldn't mind taping them
>for me, please get in touch! Thanks.
>
>Psyched for Circle Maker tomorrow!!!
>
> -Tom Pratt
>
>P.S. I still have a couple disc left for sale ($10 a pop)...
>
>-
>
>
>
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:51:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: ESP kaput?
On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Tom Pratt wrote:
> I was told today that the word on the street is that the entire CD
> catalogue of ESP is going out of print very shortly and reissues
> unlikely (especially in the near future). Has anybody else heard this
> same thing??
I had heard about a year ago that the Smithsonian was going to be
acquiring the ESP catalog. (I believe the Bernard Stollman interview in
_The Wire_ mentioned this.) If the above is true, could this just be a
prelude to a Smithsonian reissue program (which would be very well done
but very slow if their Folkways reissues are anything to go by)?
Chris Hamilton
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:58:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Pachora in Pittsburgh
On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, ia zha nah er vesen wrote:
> My curiosoty is piqued...i've heard tales of this ledgendary Jim Black
> guy, and any band with a bouzouki player needs to be heard, i think.
I must shamefacedly report that I appear to have mistaken a saz for a
bouzouki.
> What do they sound like?
In two words, their shtick is Balkan fusion. They're a jazz group using
Eastern European melodies. The arrangements remind me vaguely of
Mahavishnu Orchestra (lots of fast unisons), but it never comes off as
masturbatory.
> Any amazing albums out?
I'm at this moment listening to their self-titled Knitting Factory Works
album for the first time. It's nice, but doesn't live up to their live
performance so far.
Chris Hamilton
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:00:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Circle Maker
On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, BJOERN wrote:
> is this already out?????????
> any reviews...after the great Angelus Novus and the even greater
> Filmworks 8....another highlight???
I like it a lot. It's a bit more lively than _Bar Kokhba_. Ribot's
guitar sounds surfy at times. I imagine that anyone who expects to like
this one will.
Chris Hamilton
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:11:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: The Odyssey Band
I picked up _Reunion_ by this group (James Blood Ulmer, Charlie
Burnham, Warren Benbrow) on Knitting Factory Records today. The liner
notes, written by Steve Dalachinsky in that kinda charming, kinda annoying
Ralph-Gleason-on-acid style popular in the early 70's, state ". . .
this band, some 15 years and 3 recordings later has come full circle."
What has this trio recorded other than Ulmer's _Odyssey_ and the new one?
Chris Hamilton
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:01:14 PST
From: "Fran Bacon" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: ESP kaput?
>I was told today that the word on the street is that the entire CD
>catalogue of ESP is going out of print very shortly and reissues
>unlikely (especially in the near future). Has anybody else heard this
>same thing??
To be specific, go to the "ESP" listing in the Forced Exposure site, and
under Ayler's SPIRITUAL UNITY you will find the following:
ZYX's license to reissue the ESP series has ended and the entire series
of CDs is being deleted. We
predict that much of the catalog will be completely unavailable by
mid-'98, or even sooner (we are
deleting titles from this site as they go out of stock). Please note
that a partial quantity of our remaining
stock has cut-out saw marks -- but not enought for us to consider
lowering our price on remaining copies.
The rights to the series have changed hands, rumored to be a Dutch jazz
label. What their plans are for
this material is unknown, but it's hard to imagine that anyone would go
though the process of reissuing the
entire catalog again anytime soon. Your opportunity to fill in any holes
on this stuff is quickly diminshing.
ESP was the quintessential American independent label in the 1960s, run
by Bernard Stollman in NYC.
They released 100+ albums, completely defining the black free-music
explosion of the era; they later
branched beyond into obscure European improvisation, the fringes of
out-rock and folk, and other purely
bizarre documentation. The label folded in 1976, but was resurrected for
this CD reissue program in
1992-93 by the German dance music conglomerate ZYX. Content-wise, almost
all of the titles in the 1000
numbering series are classics of their kind and come heavily recommended
for those outside the scope.
Get Back is reissuing at a very uncertain rate/quantity, so perhaps
everyone should just take a deep breath and
PANIC! PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC!
The Blue Note of marginalized subculture is going under for another
seventeen years! Fuck! All newbies: buy! buy! buy!
KSH
...who's ESP buying spree will for the next month incite a diet and make
him hold the landlord off like Mingus with his rifle. Bring it on
mutha...
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- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:01:05 +1100 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <s9606487@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Mimaroglu and friends
On Mon, 16 Mar 1998 flamerik@best.ms.philips.com wrote:
> After these encouraging words, can you recommend any work by Mimaroglu?
Err: found some Mimaroglu onna old tape (off of that
same LP I was asking about, "Sing Me A Song Of Songmy", as it happens).
'The Tomb of Edgar Allan Poe'; think this also made it to the "Electronic
Music III" compilation on Turnabout. Its a great, wigged-out but sombre,
destruction of some guy reading Mallarme's poem of the same name. Not so crazy
about the intrusion of words which are actually recognizable as such
towards the end, but this guy's play with sound is jaw-droppingly
inventive. The other piece is 'Preludes For Electronic Tape': not quite so
astonishing, but still plenty great. There's some actual instruments
happening on this one: so maybe this is where Freddie Hubbard fits on.
(Some guitar too: is that you, Sonny?)
Another great Mimaroglu - best of the few I've heard - is 'Agony'. I've
just located a copy of this at a local library: can dub copies, if
anyone wants to go thru' that little drama.
> I've also been listening to a bit of Luigi Nono ("Como Una Ola De Fuerza Y Luz")
> and Giacinto Scelsi ("Quattro Piezze Per Orchestre"). So if anyone has any
> recommendations in that area, I'd appreciate it.
>
Someone whose opinion I respect just gave me his highest possible
endorsement for Scelsi. So, yeah: more info, please...
> Plus, does anyone know anything about Maderna, Berioz, Dutellieux, Mumma,...?
>
Oh, and what about Tod Dockstader?
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:09:03 -0600 (CST)
From: Saidel Eric J <ejs4839@usl.edu>
Subject: Re: The Odyssey Band
>
> I picked up _Reunion_ by this group (James Blood Ulmer, Charlie
> Burnham, Warren Benbrow) on Knitting Factory Records today. The liner
> notes, written by Steve Dalachinsky in that kinda charming, kinda annoying
> Ralph-Gleason-on-acid style popular in the early 70's, state ". . .
> this band, some 15 years and 3 recordings later has come full circle."
> What has this trio recorded other than Ulmer's _Odyssey_ and the new one?
>
> Chris Hamilton
>
The only one I know of off the top of my head is _Part-Time_. I have
it on Rough Trade, but I've seen it around on other labels. _Part-
Time_ is basically Odyssey Live. Well worth picking up if you can find
it. Benbow has played in other trios with Ulmer (and I think he's been
playing with him a fair amount in recent years, although others on the
list would know better than I do about this). Burham, also played
with Ulmer on other albums (I think; I'm basing this on my remembered
familiarity with him when _Odyssey- came out, but this was so long ago
I wouldn't bet much on it).
Oh wait. Here they are again. _Live at the Caravan of Dreams_ features
the trio augmented by Amin Ali on bass (that's Rashied's son, fwiw).
A couple of the tunes are on all three albums - "Little Red House"
and "Are You Glad to be in America?". I would get _Part-Time_
before this one.
Burham, also fwiw, went on to record with String Trio of NY.
So, what's this new one like? I must admit, just the idea of it has
me salivating. I'm just afraid it's like the watered down Ulmer I've
been hearing of late (with the exception of his Ornette disc).
- - eric
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:34:48 +1100
From: Rohan James Parkes <marlowe@labyrinth.net.au>
Subject: RE: Naked city
Mark Ducret appeared over here early last year with Bobby Previte's =
Latin for Travellers. Previte described him as his "favourite musician =
on the planet", as I recall. Apart from his performance, Ducret was =
amazing for a number of reasons: firstly, because he played electric =
guitar in bare feet, (which is definitely not recommended, given the =
number of electrocutions that occur each year), and secondly because of =
his Guitar Hero persona on stage, which is sort of ironic, given the =
kind of non-standard sounds that emanate from his guitar. on the other =
hand, Jerome Harris struck me as even more amazing, as he is the most =
undemonstrative guitarist I have ever seen, but could effortlessly cover =
all the weird stuff.
You can here the results of the tour on the recently released "My Man in =
Sydney" (Enja).
Cheers,
Rohan Parkes
Jazz Coordinator
3-PBS FM
Melbourne
Australia
http://www.vicnet.net.au/~pbsfm/jazz/default.html
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dechenaux Emmanuel [SMTP:edechena@thomas.butler.edu]
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 1998 3:24 PM
To: zorn-list@xmission.com
Subject: Naked city
You're all going to kill me but I just got "Naked city". I just heard it
for the first time in my life, and so far I must say that it was great.
I'm a big fan of Masada. I know the people that surround Zorn better =
than
him actually. I am dedicated to Bill Frisell. Does anybody know what =
Marc
Ribot is doing these last times ? You guys should try the last Marc =
Ducret
"Details". This record is one of the greatest of all times... Ducret
sounds kinda like Frisell on Big Satan. have you heard of that ?
See ya
M_base
- -
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:42:31 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: ESP kaput?
Not to worry: as someone else has noted, the ESP catalog has been purchased
in its entirety by Smithsonian Folkways. They do plan to reissue it, with
attention paid to sound and packaging details this time around. Hopefully
they'll also pair things creatively - I definitely fall into the camp of
longer playing time rather than fetishistic reproduction of original LPs on
disc, unless I'm going to be getting that 30 minute CD dirt cheap.
Speaking of which, I've been told by several who've bought them that the Get
Back LP pressings are cheap crap knockoffs at jacked-up prices. One of the
Aylers, in fact, is said to duplicate the sound of skips on the CD from
which it was evidently mastered. Talk about your ultimate reversal of
sources...
Don't panic, and don't rush out to buy the vinyl unless you really want it.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:49:43 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: The Odyssey Band
Christopher Hamilton wrote:
> What has this trio recorded other than Ulmer's _Odyssey_ and the new one?
Nothing at all. But as a quartet with Amin Ali added on bass they recorded
"Live at the Caravan of Dreams," released in 1986 on the Caravan of Dreams
label. Currently residing in the "where the hell do I find THAT?" file. I
imagine that was the third disc to which Dalachinsky was referring. And while
the Odyssey Trio was fine with the extra bass end added, it wasn't a critical
departure from "Odyssey," which is still one of the truly necessary jazz-type
releases of the 1980s. How does the new one rate?
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
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