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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #255
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, March 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 255
In this issue:
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Re: Filmworks VIII
Re: Filmworks VIII
Re: Filmworks VIII
Re: "new music from the usa"
Re: The Big Gundown
Dave Douglas' Sanctuary
Re: FMP recs?
Re: FMP recs?
Re: FMP recs?
Re: FMP recs?
Re: FMP recs?
Re: Dave Douglas' Sanctuary
Naked City - Radio
scores of scores
re: daxophone
Re: Filmworks VIII
Re: Ornette Coleman
Re: Naked City - Radio
Re: Ornette Coleman
Re: Naked City - Radio
The Many Masada CDs
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:15:00 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Filmworks VIII
> Am I the only person who's noticed that the entire bridge of 'Maskil'
(one
> of the Ribot/Cohen duets on Bar Kokhba) is straight from 'Sunrise,
Sunset'
> from "Fiddler on the Roof?" It's almost too long a phrase for me to
think
> it's pure coincidence; I'm starting to be of the opinion that JZ is
having
> some fun with us...
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if you could find pieces that matched most of
the Masada/Bar Kokhba tunes. They mostly have very simple chord structures,
and there's nothing too spectacular about the chords in the bridge of
Maskil.
- -
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:04:50 +0100
From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
Subject: Re: Filmworks VIII
> Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if you could find pieces that matched most of
> the Masada/Bar Kokhba tunes. They mostly have very simple chord structures,
> and there's nothing too spectacular about the chords in the bridge of
> Maskil.
The first tune on CD 1 of Bar Kokhba (Gevurah) actually sounds as
a clone of Misirlou by Dick Dale (of Pulp Fiction-Fame)
YVes
-
- -
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:09:45 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Filmworks VIII
> The first tune on CD 1 of Bar Kokhba (Gevurah) actually sounds as
> a clone of Misirlou by Dick Dale (of Pulp Fiction-Fame)
A while ago I borrowed a CD of his off a friend and I've got to say I was
extremely unimpressed to find that half of the songs or more had that very
same chord structure (unimaginative switching between E and F), and the
other half were very dull attempts at 12 bar blues.
- -
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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:33:24 +0000
From: patRice <gda@pingnet.li>
Subject: Re: "new music from the usa"
no. in the ads i've seen in the papers it doesnt' say what
pieces will be performed.
but i'll let you know as soon as i've found out more...
patRice
Joseph S. Zitt wrote:
>
> On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, patRice wrote:
>
> > the "ensemble collegium novum zurich"
> > performs works by mark dresser, george e. lewis, john zorn
>
> Do you know which Zorn they'll be doing?
> - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1----------
> |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \|||
> ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \||
> |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \|
- -
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:27:29 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: The Big Gundown
The Big Gundown finishes with a nice arrangemnt of the big electric
guitar theme for Once Upon a Time In The West, (Robert Quine is one
of the guitarists) which is also a MUST SEE spaghetti western. It's
a film with a slow pace, which seems natural after the incredible
opening sequence, and makes the dialogue seem more poignant, as
though everyone were choosing their words carefully. In a touch of
genius, Leone cast Henry Fonda as the cold blooded killer for the
big business interests. The scenes are often balletic (?!) and I
believe some of them were filmed with the music playing to cue the
action ... rather than it being added to fit the film.
The Zorn album I find patchy in places: but it has other inspired
pieces; the opening music for The Battle of Algiers, and a fabulous
piece with Big John Patton on organ (but playing in a style we'd
never heard from him before) and both "sexy Italian" and erotic
groaning vocals.
Sean W
- -
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:42:47 +0100
From: "J.T. de Boer" <s0821683@let.rug.nl>
Subject: Dave Douglas' Sanctuary
Hi,
I'm new on the list, so maybe you've talked about this album already.
Anyway, can someone tell me what it's like?
Thanks,
Jeroen de Boer
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 07:49:59 -0500 (EST)
From: "R. Lynn Rardin" <RARDIN%ORION@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU>
Subject: Re: FMP recs?
Tom Pratt wrote:
> With all of this talk about Hans Reichel, I have to ask - what FMP
> discs do you guys like the best??
Geez, there are so many to choose from! :^) I'll mention one that I
haven't seen on others' lists, but there are many others:
Marilyn Crispell & Irene Schweizer:
Overlapping Hands: Eight Segments (1990; FMP CD 30)
This is a live performance by two masterful pianists. Crispell and Schweizer
work together amazingly well, yet have very distinctive sounds. I can't
recommend Schweizer highly enough. Everything I've heard by Schweizer
is pretty damn good to amazing and I'm constantly on the lookout for more
(mostly on Intakt,though, not FMP).
- -Lynn
- -
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:06:38 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: FMP recs?
>>>>> "Tom" == Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net> writes:
Tom> what FMP discs do you guys like the best??
In addition to Machine Gun (which really is essential), I'd also
recommend most highly FMP 49, King Ubu (both u's with umlauts)
Orchestra, Binaurality. This is one of those textural albums where
you wonder what instrument could possibly be making the sounds you
hear. Georg Katzer plays computer and electronics, and he has a long
background in electroacoustic music, including some pieces on ReR.
Peter Van Bergen is one of my favorite noisy sax players, noisy in the
sense that you wonder how a sax can make those sounds. Phil Wachsmann
is well known in the field of electroacoustic improvisation,
especially with the recent releases on Gushwachs and the Parker
Electroacoustic Ensemble. A stellar release all the way around,
recommended to everyone who liked Archery, Gushwachs, or the new
Parker.
I'd also recommend Die Like a Dog (FMP 64), which by a pleasant
coincidence was in the CD player on the way to work this morning.
Brotzmann, William Parker, and Hamid Drake are excellent as always,
but the clincher for me is Toshinori Kondo on trumpet and
electronics. I'm not always a huge fan of acoustic free jazz, and I
very much appreciate the strangeness that can be introduced by some
form of electronics. Kondo definitely supplies the strangeness, but
in small doses. Sometimes this sounds like free improvised acoustic
quartet, but when the electronics start it gets other worldly. There
is ample room for everyone to solo, so there is quite a bit of variety
on the disk.
I've also got FMP 68, Open Paper Tree, a sax trio with Michel Doneda,
Paul Rogers, and Le Quan Ninh. I like Ninh's work a lot, he's very
noisy and imaginative when it comes to found sounds and percussion,
but I found the sound quality of this live release to be a bit muddy.
The music, of course, is excellent.
Thanks for the tip on the web site.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:56:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: FMP recs?
On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Tom Pratt wrote:
> With all of this talk about Hans Reichel, I have to ask - what FMP discs
> do you guys like the best??
the cecil taylor / derek bailey duo cd is worth having if you're
interested in either of those gentlemen.
b
- -
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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 00:09:43 +0000
From: Yin Pin <yinpin@pop6.jaring.my>
Subject: Re: FMP recs?
i don't know how anyone could have failed to mention
the many cecil taylor releases.
(FMP cd2-cd6, cd8/9, 11, 25 & the list goes on)
>FMP CD24
>Peter Brotzmann Octet (incl. Brotzmann, Parker, Kowald, Bennink, etc.)
>Machine Gun (1968)
an inquiry: how many on this list own a copy of brotzmann
sextet/quartet '69 _nipples_? (not on FMP)
intense, mindblowing jazz-noise from broztmann-evan parker-derek bailey
- -fred van hove-buschi niegergall-han bennink.
- -pin
- -
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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 08:05:46 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: FMP recs?
On Thu, 05 Mar 1998 00:09:43 +0000 Yin Pin wrote:
>
> i don't know how anyone could have failed to mention
> the many cecil taylor releases.
> (FMP cd2-cd6, cd8/9, 11, 25 & the list goes on)
>
> >FMP CD24
> >Peter Brotzmann Octet (incl. Brotzmann, Parker, Kowald, Bennink, etc.)
> >Machine Gun (1968)
>
> an inquiry: how many on this list own a copy of brotzmann
> sextet/quartet '69 _nipples_? (not on FMP)
> intense, mindblowing jazz-noise from broztmann-evan parker-derek bailey
> -fred van hove-buschi niegergall-han bennink.
I do (left in France like most of my records :-(.
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:35:13 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: Dave Douglas' Sanctuary
Jeroen,
Sanctuary is a "double band" kind of thing for the nineties. One drummer,
one sax, two trumpets, two basses, and two samplers. I'll start off by
saying that it's great. Chris Speed is the sax player, someone that I've
been really enjoying listening to (his disc Yeah No and any of Tim Berne's
Bloodcount). Sanctuary, though, is a long flowing piece that goes between
sections where the whole ensemble plays to just basses to just trumpets...
basically all over the place. There are points when one of the guys gets a
hip-hop type beat going on the sampler and the drummer basically sits out
except for accents and fills. I recommend it. I don't know what else to
say except listen to it.
Oh, by the way, Jeroen. I never received those tapes you were going to
send me back in October. Did you ever send them? It was a pretty big
trade (7) and I hope you haven't forgotten.
Go listen to Sanctuary.
Dan
>I'm new on the list, so maybe you've talked about this album already.
>Anyway, can someone tell me what it's like?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jeroen de Boer
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:58:48 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Naked City - Radio
Hey folks,
I was looking in the Penguin Guide the other day and I checked out the Zorn
and Naked City (different listings) reviews and I was a little surprised.
Naked City got pretty low ratings and Radio got the worst. I guess for
Naked City maybe it's doesn't express the same ideas as Torture Garden or
the latter half of Grand Gugnol (sp?) but I like it the best. In fact as
far as taking popular-ish/more common music and fucking with it hard core I
think Radio does a great job. Because it starts off "normal" and gets
progressively harsh and aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!! I think it does it's job
quite well. The progression is great from Sunset Surfer to whatever some
of the later tracks are called. Metaltov. Oh and Triggerfingers! What a
great tune.
Well, regardless of all of that, my roomate pointed something out to me
this morning. There are all of those influences listed in the liner notes
and they are grouped and separated by slashes (/). There are nineteen
tracks and nineteen groups of influences. Man, that'll be a tough one to
figure out. Has anyone noticed this before and if so has anyone matched
the influences to the tracks? Interesting...
Oh yeah I forgot to mention the Masada ratings in the Penguin Guide. Alef
(one) got the best and two and three got the next best. Five and six were
the only other ones in there and they got worse ratings than two and three.
They said that the later ones are just repetitive and more of the same and
despensible. Damn. Oh well. For the record, I disagree. I'm just
waiting for the box to come out so I can have them all.
Does anyone know if there is any word on the release of this. Also, when
is ten supposed to come out. Also, does DIW have a website. Also, that's
enough, bye.
Dan
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:19:38 +0000
From: "Andrew R. Miller" <motion@pop.nb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: scores of scores
Dear Zornlist,
Does anyone out there know how I can get ahold of John Zorn
scores/parts (ie: sheet music).
Andrew Miller
motion@nb.sympatico.ca
- -
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:14:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Pierre Toussaint <m223024@er.uqam.ca>
Subject: re: daxophone
=46or those of you interested in more daxophone recordings, I have to mentio=
n
two great CD's by Jean Derome et les dangereux zhoms. It is Rene Lussier
who plays the instrument. The first CD is called 'Carnets de voyage'
(AM032CD) and the second one is 'Navr=E9' (AM038CD). Both ar available on th=
e
Ambiance Magnetique Label e-mail: dame_cd@cam.org
- -
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:04:52 -0600
From: magnum-jihad@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson)
Subject: Re: Filmworks VIII
On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:04:50 +0100 Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
writes:
>
>> Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if you could find pieces that matched
>most of
>> the Masada/Bar Kokhba tunes. They mostly have very simple chord
>structures,
>> and there's nothing too spectacular about the chords in the bridge
>of
>> Maskil.
>
> The first tune on CD 1 of Bar Kokhba (Gevurah) actually sounds as
> a clone of Misirlou by Dick Dale (of Pulp Fiction-Fame)
>
> YVes
Actually. 'Misrlou' is a traditional Greek (?) song. Dick Dale just
played it reall echoey-like.
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------------------------------
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:33:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Ornette Coleman
I described _Virgin Beauty_ and _Tone Dialing_ as "uncluttered-sounding"
in one post and "cluttered" in another. Oooops. Let me clarify: They
wouldn't sound like a wall of noise to even the most virgin ear (unlike,
say, the Prime Time material on _In All Languages_), but they
are cluttered in detail. I suspect it's this combination strikes many
listeners as soupy and unfocused.
Chris Hamilton
- -
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:45:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Naked City - Radio
On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Dan Hewins wrote:
> There are nineteen
> tracks and nineteen groups of influences. Man, that'll be a tough one to
> figure out. Has anyone noticed this before and if so has anyone matched
> the influences to the tracks? Interesting...
While I couldn't make sense of all of them, I think they're listed in
order.
> Oh yeah I forgot to mention the Masada ratings in the Penguin Guide. Alef
> (one) got the best and two and three got the next best. Five and six were
> the only other ones in there and they got worse ratings than two and three.
> They said that the later ones are just repetitive and more of the same and
> despensible. Damn.
This is probably the result of listening to each disc once, in sequence.
I don't think many people who've seriously checked out the whole series
would pick _Alef_ as the best of the series.
Chris Hamilton
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 15:02:29 -0500
From: Jeff Schwartz <jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Ornette Coleman
Christopher Hamilton wrote:
>
> I described _Virgin Beauty_ and _Tone Dialing_ as "uncluttered-sounding"
> in one post and "cluttered" in another. Oooops. Let me clarify: They
> wouldn't sound like a wall of noise to even the most virgin ear (unlike,
> say, the Prime Time material on _In All Languages_), but they
> are cluttered in detail. I suspect it's this combination strikes many
> listeners as soupy and unfocused.
>
> Chris Hamilton
>
> -
I don't care for Denardo as a producer. The earlier Prime
Time albums sound like 6 or seven people playing-the ones
he produced have this unpleasant sound which I think of as
digital. Even the quartet part of In All Languages has
peculiar reverbs and such.
This makes the unavailability of Of Human Feelings and
Live at the Caravan of Dreams especially annoying and the
reissue of Body Meta a particularly cool thing.
Of course, as many of y'all have said, the Atlantic
recordings (especially Change of the Century & The Shape
of Jazz to Come & This is Our Music) are the essential
Ornette and I am a huge fan of the trio with David Izenson
and Charles Moffett. Izenson's influence on bass playing
is enormous. While a bunch of other folks were in the smae
place at the same time, bringing techniques from
avant-classical music into jazz (like Gary Peacock,
Richard Davis, and Ronnie Boykins) and extending the
possibilities of the instrument from there, there's
something about Izenson's playing which is unique. It
probably has to do with playing with Ornette, who
(especially with this trio) encourages if not demands his
sidemen to avoid the conventional. Izenson taught some of
today's cool bassists-I don't remember exactly
who-Lindberg, Dresser, Helias?
The two Blue Note albums are the must-haves from this
band. There's a bunch of other stuff, but the recording
quality is not always what it could be, and the legal
status of some releases is dubious (for those who care
about such things).Look for Who's Crazy, An Evening with
Ornette Coleman, and Town Hall Concert, especially the
first two.
- --
Jeff Schwartz
jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu
http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:04:09 -0500 (EST)
From: William R Baker <wrb@christa.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Naked City - Radio
A Radio fun fact:
I am almost sure that "Sunset Surfer" is a Naked City
arrangement of The Cynical Hysterical Hour theme.
just compare it to "surfing Samba" on Filmworks VII.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 15:13:03 -0500
From: Jeff Schwartz <jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
Subject: The Many Masada CDs
I agree. I am listening to Tet right now, and it
definitely is one of my favorites. The compositions are
not as catchy as on the first few, where some of the heads
would actually stick in my head and I'd find myself
humming them at work, but the sound seems better. The bass
is more audible and plays a more compositional role
(instead of walking or droning most of the time).
This is mostly a first impression-I haven't listened to
all the albums at once or anything and don't have 7 or 8.
Oh yeah, add my name to the list of people who are going
to be irritated if Tzadik puts out a box set of the DIW
Masadas. It will surely cost less than having bought them
at import prices & I'd rather see Tzadik put out material
that's either new or has been unavailable (live Naked
City! stuff from the KF ZornFest! Great Jewish Music
Leonard Bernstein!)
Christopher Hamilton wrote:
>
> > Oh yeah I forgot to mention the Masada ratings in the Penguin Guide. Alef
> > (one) got the best and two and three got the next best. Five and six were
> > the only other ones in there and they got worse ratings than two and three.
> > They said that the later ones are just repetitive and more of the same and
> > despensible. Damn.
>
> This is probably the result of listening to each disc once, in sequence.
> I don't think many people who've seriously checked out the whole series
> would pick _Alef_ as the best of the series.
>
> Chris Hamilton
>
> -
- --
Jeff Schwartz
jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu
http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html
- -
------------------------------
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