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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #250
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Zorn List Digest Monday, March 2 1998 Volume 02 : Number 250
In this issue:
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arto lindsay on knitting factory
Re:bass albums
Re: arto lindsay on knitting factory
braxton book:acquisition address
Re: bass albums
Re: bass question
william hooker, lee ranaldo
re: Bass question
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #248
Re: bass albums
Re: william hooker, lee ranaldo
The Third Annual VISION FESTIVAL
Re: NEW MUSIC REVELATION ENSEMBLE-WITH ZORN
Ornette Coleman
creative music for newbies
Filmworks VIII
Re: classic soul
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 13:51:53 +0100
From: Stefan Verstraeten <sverstraeten@alpha.ufsia.ac.be>
Subject: arto lindsay on knitting factory
Hi there,
As I am a regular reader, I know that someone has the answer to my
question:
One year (even maybe two years) ago, knitting factory records announced
a second album by Arto Lindsay (sort of aggregates 27-54 perhaps).
Does anyone know when his second album on Knitting Factory will be
released ???
Bye Bye
- --
Stefan Verstraeten
email:stefan.verstraeten@advalvas.be
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:32:56 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: Re:bass albums
<<I'm looking for albums of SOLO double bass. That's right. Unaccompanied
double bass. I'm sure some great bassist of the fifties or sixties must
have done one. Ron Carter perhaps? Paul Chambers? Jimmy Garrison? Charlie
Haden? Gary Peacock? Even someone more modern would be good. If anyone
knows of anything, please e-mail me, privately or otherwise.>>
Robert Black is an amazing double bass player, but definitely not Jazz.
That doesn't mean he isn't doing improv or whatever.
In any case, he's excellent.
Peter
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 15:34:34 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: arto lindsay on knitting factory
On Mon, 02 Mar 1998 13:51:53 +0100 Stefan Verstraeten wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> As I am a regular reader, I know that someone has the answer to my
> question:
>
> One year (even maybe two years) ago, knitting factory records announced
> a second album by Arto Lindsay (sort of aggregates 27-54 perhaps).
It was announced in the 96 KF catalog (sent in January 1996).
> Does anyone know when his second album on Knitting Factory will be
> released ???
The KF does not mention this record anymore in their new catalogue. If it ever
happens, I guess it will be on another label.
Patrice.
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 15:37:08 PST
From: "Fran Bacon" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: braxton book:acquisition address
Apologies to all for the floop---especially to Mr Martinelli (whose
e.mail I lost, and who writes quite well about E. Parker's music, thank
you sir)--- for the careless loss of materials: I have recovered my
University of Chicago Press catalog and here's the address and
information concerning the cheapo sale item NEW MUSICAL FIGURATIONS:
ANTHONY BRAXTON"S CULTURAL CRITIQUE by R. Radano:
Univ of Chicago Press
11030 South Langley Ave
Chicago, Ill. 60628
Pay with MC/Visa/Check
Item #548, ISBN #0226.70196.4, $3.00
Shipping: $3.50 for first item, .75 each additional, for orders outside
the US add 4.50 (instead of 3.50, I think) and 1.00 each additional.
Minimum order $20 (dammit I knew there was a catch...)
Peace to all of you! A Mauricio Kagel article you probably haven't seen
(ANY of you---and it's not by me or anyone I know) is on its way.
Damn
FB
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:17:34 EST
From: FUNKADELlC <FUNKADELlC@aol.com>
Subject: Re: bass albums
In a message dated 98-03-02 18:28:36 EST, you write:
<< Since there has been a long thread on bass albums, I thought it only
fitting
to start a thread regarding peoples' favorite trout albums.
I'd recommecnd Trout Mask Replica by Captain Beefheart
Others?
Keith >>
i like the band FISHBONE a whole lot..
- -corn dpg
- -
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:26:55 -0600 (CST)
From: Tom Benton <rancor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: bass question
>>i'm not a bass player but i'd like to know what is the difference
>>between a double bass, contrabass and just an upright bass? thanks
>
>I believe a double-bass and a contrabass are the same thing. They're
>bigger than a bass. That's all I know. I don't think they're in
>different keys though. Does anyone know?
In my experience, the following terms are pretty much totally
interchangeable: upright bass, double bass, contrabass, acoustic bass (half
the time at least), bass fiddle, bull fiddle, doghouse, string bass...I'm
sure there are plenty more I'm not thinking of. I've heard Billy Martin
introduce Chris Wood as playing "el basso profundo", which I tend to think
is pretty hip.
Regardless, back to your point, I'm not so sure that your commment about
the double-bass and contrabass being bigger than a bass is exactly right.
Basses do come in 2 sizes, "full" and "3/4". Any bass you see in an
orchestra or jazz combo is almost certainly a 3/4 size; this is what I
play and I don't know if I could handle it if I had to deal with a piece
of lumber any bigger than the one I have now. And even if full size
basses are perhaps more widely used than I'm thinking, I'm pretty sure
that the assignment of names from the seemingly endless list above has
nothing to do with size.
I certainly welcome any corrections or adendums from fellow bass-folk,
I'm sure anybody with connections to bass academia could straighten
this right out for us if I've perhaps flubbed a part of this
explanation...
- -
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:29:23 -0500 (EST)
From: rladew@hopper.unh.edu (Rich Ladew)
Subject: william hooker, lee ranaldo
comrades:
William Hooker and Lee Ranaldo played at the University of New Hampshire
last night (Sunday March 1st). I was lucky enough to pick them up at the
Manchester
NH airport. It was a part of the KF's Loud Music/silent Film project. the
film was a homemade one made by Lee and his significant other, Leah Singer.
It was very visually experimental (split screens, swirling lights, flares,
partial image photographs, and a dizzying close-up shot of flowers. After a
while the lens would zoom in and out. William Hooker accompanied Ranaldo's
guitar shenanigans on drums. I thought Hooker was the most compelling. He
had an incredible amount of energy, and was soaked with sweat when he
finished playing. I understand why he goes to his hotel and rests until the
very second he goes onstage. Ranldo's guitar playing seemed self-indulgent
to some, but as he was swinging (spinning?) his guitar on the floor, and
when he was using some of the reverberating chords and effects on his
guitar, it was pretty intersting. Altogether, it was a very interesting
night. (Lee had someone go look for pot, which I was at a complete loss for.
He also talked about Painkiller opening for Sonic Youth and how much he
likes Torture Garden) Hooker was really intersted in the Dave Douglas
"sanctuary" cd I had in the car, and was telling me about a bill the Tiny
Bell Trio played on with him at the KF some time ago, and Hooker also
recommend more cds to me than I can remember, but here (10,000 words later)
is my question: Hooker mentioned a label ,I think it is calles Silkart or
something (from Sweden?) Anyway, the things he was describing sounded
fantastic, and Ive got to find more information.
Thanks for indulging the long message,
Rich
rladew@hopper.unh.edu
Hoo-Ha!!!
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:41:13 -0800
From: "Patrick Stockton" <sheepherder@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: re: Bass question
just to clarify a bit further on this issue. there is no actual "full"
size string bass. at least as far as i know there is a 7/8 scale bass which
is a huge monster of an instrument. i can not see someone under 6'2" or so
playing this size bass comfortably.
but also it is important to keep in mind that all "nice" string basses are
either very old or handmade. like a fine piece of furniture. therefore
3/4 size basses made in different eras by different instrument makers will
likely differ in some dimensions.
to make a long story short.... all the terms mentioned are synonyms for
the same instrument, and the biggest basses are 7/8 scale, while the 3/4
scale basses comprise 90% of all string basses outside of the orchestras.
- -
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 00:33:36 EST
From: JonAbbey2 <JonAbbey2@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #248
In a message dated 3/1/98 5:20:10 PM, wyork@email.unc.edu wrote:
<<I'm new on the list and I asked last week, but here it is again. Has
anyone heard the following CDs: Dave Douglas Sanctuary, Steve Beresford
Cue Sheets, Anthony Coleman Tzadik stuff, also Ellery Eskelin The Sun Died
or Hans Reichel Death of the Rare Bird Ymir and how would you rate these
in comparison to their other work (I'm on a budget and have heard other
things by the guys but don't know which others to pursue). Thanks in
advance. WY>>
The Eskelin record is a superb tribute to Gene Ammons, easily my favorite
record by him. The Reichel record is also really good, the best of the 2 or 3
FMPs by him that I've heard. The Douglas record seems to me to be more of a
work in progress than his other bands are. The Beresford I've only heard once
or twice but it didn't seem essential. And I haven't heard Coleman's stuff as
a leader.
Jon
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:48:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: bass albums
On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Nils Jacobson wrote:
> I would highly recommend the William Parker album *Testimony*. This is
> very fine stuff, pretty out there, lots of scratching and higher order
> harmonics. It's on Zero-In and may be a bit hard to find, but if you
> have enjoyed Parker in other contexts this is definitely one to check out.
gotta second this recommendation and actually _testimony_ is pretty easy
to get through www.forcedexposure.com. over 70 minutes of solo bass
improvising taken from a show (or maybe shows?) @ the knitting factory.
b
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:51:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: william hooker, lee ranaldo
On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Rich Ladew wrote:
> Hooker mentioned a label ,I think it is calles Silkart or
> something (from Sweden?)
I imagine this is Silkheart, who, among other things, put out the earliest
Charles Gayle recordings I'm aware of.
Chris Hamilton
- -
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:36:23 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: The Third Annual VISION FESTIVAL
Received the following on another mailing list and thought it might
have some interest here.
==============
Greetings Friends,
The first official dispatch with regards to this magnificent week of
profound music. IF YOU
ARE A RADIO STATION or MAGAZINE, please spread this information to your
listener/readership
immediately. If you're not a media outlet, please tell all of your
friends and plan your NYC visit
accordingly. This festival is artist-organized and sponsored, so your help
is very, well, helpful;
and appreciated.
THE THIRD ANNUAL VISION FESTIVAL
MAY 18 - 25, 1998 at the ORENSANZ ART CENTER: Lower East Side, Manhattan
8 nights this year! A jazz festival focused on the ecstatic adventure
in the music like no other in the world.
MONDAY MAY 18
Opening Invocation: JOSEPH JARMAN / ANDREA PARKINS + JIM BLACK Duo /
PARAPHRASE: TIM BERNE, DREW GESS, TOM RAINEY / FRANK LOWE Quartet /
JOHN ZORN'S MASADA STRING TRIO
TUESDAY MAY 19
WARREN SMITH + BILL COLE Ensemble / CHARLES GAYLE / RASHID ALI's Prima
Materia /
MARK WHITECAGE Quartet / ELLEN CHRISTI / Dance: KJ HOLMES with ROY CAMPBELL /
Poet: EVE PACKER with WILBUR MORRIS
WEDNESDAY MAY 20
JEMEEL MOONDOC / CARLOS WARD Trio / BILLY BANG / COOPER-MOORE Ensemble /
Dance: MARIA MITCHELL with MARION BROWN /
Poet: SHIRLEY LeFLORE with J.D. PARRON's Spirit Song
THURSDAY MAY 21
BILLY BANG / WILLIAM HOOKER Trio / JOE MORRIS Trio / GOLD SPARKLE BAND /
Dance: Mickey Davidson with NEWMAN BAKER
FRIDAY MAY 22
TEST: SABIR MATEEN, DANIEL CARTER, TOM BRUNO, MATTHEW HEYNER / THOMAS
BUCKNER + ROSCOE MITCHELL / JASON HWANG Far East Band / WHIT DICKEY Trio /
DAVID S. WARE Quartet / Dance: PATRICIA NICHOLSON with JOSEPH JARMAN and
COEN AALBERT / Poet: LOUIS REYES RIVERA
SATURDAY MAY 23
MILFORD GRAVES / KIDD JORDAN / PETER KOWALD + JEN HI KIM / ROB BROWN
Quartet / OTHER DIMENSIONS IN MUSIC / Poet: STEVE DALACHINSKY
SUNDAY MAY 24
MATTHEW SHIPP String Trio / ASSIF TSAHAR + SUSIE IBARRA Duo /
WILLIAM PARKER's Little Huey Creative Music Orchestra / JOE McPHEE /
JAKI BYARD Solo / Dance: YOSHIKO CHUMA / Poet: TED JONES
MONDAY MAY 25: MEMORIAL DAY TRIBUTE TO THE LATE JIMMY LYONS
ANDREW CYRILLE Solo / KAREN BORCA Quintet / RAPHE MALIK / PAUL MURPHY
JIMMY LYONS BIG BAND with All Star Players
Tickets are $20 per night; festival pass for all 8 nights is $100. There
will be a number to call
for such reservations; we'll get that together shortly....for e.dispatch #2.
Kind Regards,
Steven Joerg
AUM FIdelity
PO Box 170147
Brooklyn, NY 11217
http://www.aumfidelity.com
"It's a mountain."
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:57:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: NEW MUSIC REVELATION ENSEMBLE-WITH ZORN
On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, david thiel wrote:
> Next month on DIW a new Musc Revelation Ensemble recording is coming out
> that will have Zorn and Pharoah Sanders on it. I saw the promotion for
> it at a local music store,sounds like an interesting CD
Although I saw a similar promotion at one store, I got this (assuming
we're both talking about _Cross Fire_) about a month and a half ago at
another store. Distribution of foreign labels in the US can get very
confusing...
Anyway, it's not groundbreaking, but it's a very solid example of
Blood Ulmer's approach. Zorn and Sanders each play on about half the
record, no overlap. Zorn stays pretty firmly in an Ornette bag, making
his contributions a bit less intriguing than Pharoah's. (I already how
Blood and Ornette sound together.) But I don't mean that as much of a
criticism. It's a very enjoyable disc.
Chris Hamilton
- -
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:04:53 +0100
From: Marcin.Witkowski@wor.tvp.com.pl
Subject: Ornette Coleman
I found Coleman's "Virgin Beauty" LP and I fall in love.
I thought that Ornette Coleman plays free jazz music only
(my first contact with Coleman was Zorn's "Spy vs spy").
Could someone tell me there are more such a beauty Coleman's albums or
is it the only one?
Thanks
Marcin
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 18:09:45 PST
From: "Fran Bacon" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: creative music for newbies
Evangelism seems to be the product of conviction and enthusiasm, and
whereas I generally do not discourage people from sharing their beliefs,
interests, and opinions in a forthright, and even aggressive manner--
perhaps subsequent to a not-entirely-self-serving agenda--I must confess
annoyance and/or fear when the presentation of ideas (?) takes a turn
for the pathological.
Anyway (whew!)....I myself am inclined toward being like Chad the Jazz
Nanny from JERRY MCGUIRE; this is something I tend to be vigilant about,
because it expends energy which could be spent more wisely (cultivating
friendships, opening my own mind to new ideas/sounds) and it looks
absurd and is often futile if the other person(s) aren't interested in
the first damn place. BUT: without apology I practice apologetics for
free-jazz(-improv, creative music, "good" noise, etc) when confronted by
someone. And everyonce ina while (weekly) I practice generosity and
lend dozens of records out. Not on a mission--just love the stuff I
love and would like to bounce it off other people who I also like and
respect. But is it not possible to be clumsy and counterproductive in
one's "presentation of ideas", as casual and SOLICITED as that
presentation may be? In other words:
What (however many, as many as you'd like) particular records or types
of stuff do you think would be thoughtful and penetrating, yet
accessible enough to make the "uninitiated" (pardon the elitist flare)
hungry for more? Three instant apologies:
1. Maybe this has already been discussed: I just don't know about
it.
2. What are the "newbies" already into? Geez this is impossible.
Pretend the person like Tool a lot. Or maybe is a little more
out than that. They've always liked Hendrix but are definitely
dissatisfied with classic rock as well as punk, to a degree.
They may dig some hiphop, like let's say Wu-tang Clan. They
think Fushitsusha is a type of ethnic food served to you by
Pierre Boulez, a waiter they think they knew from Philadelphia.
The general idea is: what would captivate a bored/jaded mofo
right off the bat, or after first twenty minutes, and make
him/her say "wait a minute..."
3. Mix tape schematics are also welcome.
P.s. Creative music=__________. Risk a lack of discrimination. Indulge.
I'm not scared of labels, but I've annoyed everyone including myself
with them, so look at Creative Music-as-a-label the way Henri bergson
saw watches (a machine, a convenience, nothing nothing else).
Much thanks to the participants and the patient.
Bye.
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 21:01:43 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Filmworks VIII
I picked up 'Filmworks VIII' the other day because of the rave reviews
on this list and I love it. It's by far the most enjoyable of the
Filmworks discs I've heard thus far. Sometimes I have a hard time with
the Filmworks discs but certainly not this one. Both soundtracks on this
are really excellent. I recommend it wholeheartedly!
In addition, I picked up the new Busta Rhymes record today and it is
also really great. Busta Rhymes is a very original rapper making some
great music. The guy at the counter found it odd that I was buying Zorn
and Busta at the same time but oh well. I'm really into Busta Rhymes.
avoiding my homework...
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 12:05:00 -0600
From: JRZ <zube@winternet.com>
Subject: Re: classic soul
At 03:38 AM 2/28/98 -0500, Christopher Hamilton wrote:
>
>
>On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, JRZ wrote:
>
>> I usually like to buy the original albums instead of an anthology.
>> Anthologies rarely capture the same flow or feel as the original release.
>> There's a reason the songs were placed that way.
>
>But a lot of great sixties soul records only ever existed on singles or
>anthologies. The album as the primary artifact is a relatively recent
>phenomenon for pop music.
Very true, If you want to hear Judge Shorty Long you need to get an
anthology. But, if I had the choice I'd try to get a copy of the original
release.
zube (young america at it's best)
my tapelist http://www.winternet.com/~zube/tapelist.htm
I am not only prepared to retract the above statements but to deny under
oath that I ever made them - Tom Lehrer
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