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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #249
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Zorn List Digest Monday, March 2 1998 Volume 02 : Number 249
In this issue:
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Re: Celluloid/Subharmonic/Matarazzo/Beinhorn
NEW MUSIC REVELATION ENSEMBLE-WITH ZORN
Subharmonic and Strata
re: Zorn/Eye box?
solo bass
RE: NEW MUSIC REVELATION ENSEMBLE-WITH ZORN
re: Zorn/Eye box?
[none]
Re: Zorn/Eye box?
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #248
Re: bass albums
Re:More Copyright(Very Off-Topic)
Re: bass albums
Re: bass albums
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #248
Re: Celluloid/Subharmonic/Matarazzo/Beinhorn
Matarazzo
bass question
Re: bass question
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 06:44:47 PST
From: "Silent Watcher" <silent_watcher@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Celluloid/Subharmonic/Matarazzo/Beinhorn
> 1) I have two Subharmonic releases which have the line "Realization
by John
> Matarazzo" on them; these are "Divination: Akasha" and "M.J.
Harris/Bill
> Laswell: Somnific Flux". Do these releases have any flaws as well
compared
> to the original releases, or is Matarazzo credited on each
version?
I'm kind of curious too. I don't have "Somnific Flux" in front of me,
but I know my copy of "Akasha" has the "Realization by John Matarazzo"
line in the liner notes. I got it when it came out though. These newer
version seem to have it slapped right on the back cover, though. Just
wondering.
SW
For Sale/Want List and Laswell Discography @
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093
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- -
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 11:04:57 +0000
From: david thiel <thiel@buffnet.net>
Subject: NEW MUSIC REVELATION ENSEMBLE-WITH ZORN
Next month on DIW a new Musc Revelation Ensemble recording is coming out
that will have Zorn and Pharoah Sanders on it. I saw the promotion for
it at a local music store,sounds like an interesting CD. Also next month
on Zorn's label theres going to be a Gary Lucas recording with Zorn as
one of the musicians. Also for SUN RA fans the new book on RA- SPACE IS
THE PLACE is great.
- -
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 11:49:14 EST
From: JonAbbey2 <JonAbbey2@aol.com>
Subject: Subharmonic and Strata
OK, here's the deal. It seems like there are a lot of people out there who
would like to get their hands on one or more of the CDs on these labels. Well,
I have almost all of them (all original issues) and I just don't listen to
almost any of them much. So, if there's a Subharmonic or Strata CD that you
particularly crave, make me a cash offer in private e-mail and I'll see what I
can do.
Jon
- -
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 12:54:04 -0500
From: jtalbot@massart.edu
Subject: re: Zorn/Eye box?
>Hello,
>I know there were rumours of a Zorn/Eye box set of 100 discs to be
>released. Was it ever? Some person is selling a copy for $400...if it
>came out is this a good price? Just curious. (I didn't think it ever had
>been released, but I've bought stuff from this person before, so....?)
i don't know about you....but i wouldn't pay $400 for zorn himself to play in
my living room (well maybe)
i heard a lot of these discs are very very short (like a few minutes)
- -
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 13:43:11 +0500
From: john <jpetrie@vt.edu>
Subject: solo bass
here are some solo bass records that i like (keep in mind i play bass, so i
guess i may be biased). some of these have already been mentioned, sorry for
the repetition:
Dave Holland "Emerald Tears" - Holland is truly amazing and with a solo
version of Braxton's Composition Number 69Q, this is a sure winner.
Mark Dresser "Invocation" - this is great "contemporary" bass, but not
necessarily solo, as much of it is overdubbed.
William Parker "Testimony" - part two of the "In Order to Survive" series,
around 70 minutes of live solo bass that will blow your mind. Far out but
very cool.
also, John Lindberg has a solo disc out that is a tribute to David Izenzon,
the bassist with Ornette's 60's trio. i haven't heard this yet, but i would
be interested in hearing about it.
on the topic of Lindberg, has anyone heard his new disc "Bounce" ? Dave
Douglas plays on it as well as Ed Thigpen and Larry Ochs. I think it's
really a fine record.
john
- -
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:07:40 -0600
From: Glenn Astarita <gastarit@comm.net>
Subject: RE: NEW MUSIC REVELATION ENSEMBLE-WITH ZORN
- -----Original Message-----
From: david thiel [SMTP:thiel@buffnet.net]
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 1998 5:05 AM
To: zorn-list@xmission.com
Subject: NEW MUSIC REVELATION ENSEMBLE-WITH ZORN
Next month on DIW a new Musc Revelation Ensemble recording is coming out
that will have Zorn and Pharoah Sanders on it. I saw the promotion for
it at a local music store,sounds like an interesting CD. Also next month
on Zorn's label theres going to be a Gary Lucas recording with Zorn as
one of the musicians. Also for SUN RA fans the new book on RA- SPACE IS
THE PLACE is great.
[Glenn Astarita]
Does anyone know if the Lucas cd will be an acoustic or electric outing ? Just curious...
glenn
- -
- -
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:02:37 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: re: Zorn/Eye box?
i hear that the entire set has a total of 2 hrs. of music.
duh?
- -jascha
> >Hello,
> >I know there were rumours of a Zorn/Eye box set of 100 discs to be
> >released. Was it ever? Some person is selling a copy for $400...if it
> >came out is this a good price? Just curious. (I didn't think it ever had
> >been released, but I've bought stuff from this person before, so....?)
>
>
>
> i don't know about you....but i wouldn't pay $400 for zorn himself to play in
> my living room (well maybe)
>
> i heard a lot of these discs are very very short (like a few minutes)
>
>
> -
>
- -
------------------------------
Date:
From:
Subject: [none]
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 14:03:06 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn/Eye box?
On Sat, 28 Feb 1998 19:20:36 -0500 "Jason J. Tar" wrote:
>
> I know there were rumours of a Zorn/Eye box set of 100 discs to be
> released. Was it ever? Some person is selling a copy for $400...if it
I never heard of any rumours that it was released. It was seriously envisioned
to be released (after a heavy drinking evening I would be tempted to say,
although I know Zorn does not drink). Few adds were put here and there (in
THE WIRE) for example. Then the label stopped all activity and no news since
(which is annoying because some people sent money to the label to get their
copy before it was even released).
Maybe this person is trying to give you his Sound Factory's receipt
confirming that they received his pre-order :-).
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 17:15:45 -0500 (EST)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #248
I'm new on the list and I asked last week, but here it is again. Has
anyone heard the following CDs: Dave Douglas Sanctuary, Steve Beresford
Cue Sheets, Anthony Coleman Tzadik stuff, also Ellery Eskelin The Sun Died
or Hans Reichel Death of the Rare Bird Ymir and how would you rate these
in comparison to their other work (I'm on a budget and have heard other
things by the guys but don't know which others to pursue). Thanks in
advance. WY
- -
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 13:39:32 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: bass albums
On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:47:15 Jesse Simon wrote:
>
> I'm looking for albums of SOLO double bass. That's right. Unaccompanied
> double bass. I'm sure some great bassist of the fifties or sixties must
> have done one. Ron Carter perhaps? Paul Chambers? Jimmy Garrison? Charlie
> Haden? Gary Peacock? Even someone more modern would be good. If anyone
> knows of anything, please e-mail me, privately or otherwise.
There is a killer one by Maarten van Regteren Altena made in the 70's after
he broke his arm (yes, he plays with one arm in plaster!). The record is
called HANDICAP (you know why now :-). Forgot if it was released on ICP or
on his own label.
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 17:39:58 -0500
From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net>
Subject: Re:More Copyright(Very Off-Topic)
Lang Thompson wrote:
>
> This is a bit off the list topic but it connects with a few recent posts:
> Does anybody know for sure how the blank tape tax affected copyright law
> governing duplication? On another list, somebody insisted that the law was
> revised to allow a single copy of audio and video works to be made for
> personal use as a sort of exchange for the tape tax. At first I thought he
> was mis-reading the statutes which seemed to allow that even though people
> familiar with statutory language could see that it clearly was not
> referring to personal copying. But he claimed that it's been interpreted
> that way in court and seemed to have evidence to back the argument up.
> This seems really unlikely and against the grain of copyright tendencies
> but my knowledge (a year of copyright and patent law) is several years out
> of date. Can anybody supply concrete information?
Case law up to now has supported the "personal use" allowance(Known as
the LaMacchia decision). Generally speaking, if no money changed hands,
there was very little basis for prosecution or litigation. But with
the passage of the NET(No Electronic Theft) act this past year,
everything is once again up in the air. AFAIK, there hasn't yet been any
prosecution under this new law.
The NET act is a perfect example of how our legislators are
bought and
paid for by corporate lobbyists. After donating huge sums of soft money
to both parties, The Software and music companies were able to write
their own legislation, which effectivly transfers the cost of enforcing
their patents and copyrights from the private sector(themselves) to the
public sector(you & me). Quite a good investment from their point of
view. They now have the FBI as their own, taxpayer funded, Piracy Task
Force.
Check this out. Lets say you're house is robbed. The criminal is
arrested and convicted. You as a citizen have no right to participate in
the sentencing hearings, or at parole hearings. If you want to be
compensated for your loss, you must go to court and sue. BUT, if you
are a record/Software company who is robbed by a bootlegger(or just some
poor slob running copies for some friends) you get to file a victim
impact statement that goes to the judge and probation officer,. and by
law, must be taken into account. Are we supposed to be proud as
Americans that we place more importance on the protection of
intellectual property rights, than on living,breathing, human beings?
And if XYZ records were to hijack some unreleased Zorn recording and put
it out, Do you think that they would answer the phone at FBI
Headquarters when John Zorn calls?
How will this affect the average person who wants to make a tape
for
his car? We wont really know until the first court case is heard, but
the phrase as used in this law "Private financial gain" would seem to
outlaw any copying whatsoever. And trading of copyrighted works is
expressly forbidden.(Yes friends, that means CDs LP's and live tapes)
I appologize for the rant, I feel pretty strongly about this. If
anyone
wants a copy of the law, as passed by congress. email me privatly.
Rich
- -
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:29:16 -0800
From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: bass albums
Since there has been a long thread on bass albums, I thought it only fitting
to start a thread regarding peoples' favorite trout albums.
I'd recommecnd Trout Mask Replica by Captain Beefheart
Others?
Keith
- -
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 17:56:41 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: bass albums
Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> There is a killer one by Maarten van Regteren Altena made in the 70's after
> he broke his arm (yes, he plays with one arm in plaster!). The record is
> called HANDICAP (you know why now :-). Forgot if it was released on ICP or
> on his own label.
It's on ICP. I've heard quite a lot of good things about this disc but
haven't heard it myself yet. Here's something I got at the wonderful
http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/ about it.
While I was convalescing from a broken left wrist I got the idea that
led to this record. Since I couldn't play anyway I thought of
handicapping my bass: I put the same kind of cast on it's neck as I had
on my wrist. Now my bass and I were in the same fix. This resulted in
'Handicaps I'. The recording quality is not as balanced as in the later
pieces. Since I couldn't play for too long with a broken wrist,
everything had to be done within a certain amount of time. 'Handicaps
II' was recorded when my bass and I were in good health. The idea was
inspired by women on old Japanese prints with hairpins inserted in their
hair. The bows used are weaved in and out the strings. All other pieces
are 'instant composings' except 'The elephant'. This is also the only
piece dubbed in one time.' -Maarten van Regteren Altena.
listening to: Dave Douglas 'In Our Lifetime' (what a great album!)
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 15:28:22 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #248
On Sun, 1 Mar 1998 17:15:45 -0500 (EST) William York wrote:
>
> I'm new on the list and I asked last week, but here it is again. Has
> anyone heard the following CDs: Dave Douglas Sanctuary, Steve Beresford
> Cue Sheets, Anthony Coleman Tzadik stuff, also Ellery Eskelin The Sun Died
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
SEPHARDIC TINGE (Tzadik) is an excellent record. It showcases Coleman in
a jazz setting (piano, bass, drums). It is rare to be able to listen to
Coleman playing piano straight. For example, there are his duos with Roy
Nathanson, but sometimes I would like to tell them to stick to the point
and put on a side the jokes and the humour. On SEPHARDIC TINGE, Coleman
is amazingly focused. I still believe that after WHOSE BRIDGE, this is
the best jazz trio to come up in 1995 (and the Sephardic tinge is not
for nothing in its extra charm!).
> or Hans Reichel Death of the Rare Bird Ymir and how would you rate these
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
DEATH OF THE RARE BIRD YMIR is one of the most curious and fascinating
record ever made in the field of improv. Rarely innovation and accessi-
bility have been present to such degree. The music is soft, subtle,
unexpected (no "ready to wear" rules, or cliches).
The position of Reichel in the German improv scene has always puzzled me.
This school is known for its powerfull players and "take no hostage" attitude.
Introspection is not what you think first when you listen to some of their
records (to say it mildly :-).
Reichel is a real exception in the improv scene. He does not seem to be
influenced by anybody, and I do not see anybody influenced by him. He
has been doing his music regardless of what people think or buy.
You are lucky because the FMP CD reissue also includes BONOBO BEACH (that
many people prefer to THE DEATH).
I also highly recommend his record on Rastascan (LOWER LURUM) where he
uses his daxophone (I am still wondering how he can make these noises).
> in comparison to their other work (I'm on a budget and have heard other
> things by the guys but don't know which others to pursue). Thanks in
> advance. WY
- -
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:30:55 +1000
From: Paul Jacobson <pauljay@webtime.com.au>
Subject: Re: Celluloid/Subharmonic/Matarazzo/Beinhorn
>I'm kind of curious too. I don't have "Somnific Flux" in front of me,=20
>but I know my copy of "Akasha" has the "Realization by John Matarazzo"=20
>line in the liner notes. I got it when it came out though. These newer=20
>version seem to have it slapped right on the back cover, though. Just=20
>wondering.
I really can't throw any light on the Matarazzo mystery. It seems that the=
promotion from small line on the liner notes to "Bigger than Laswell"=
credits on the back cover marked the transition.
As to quality issues, Sacrifist is the only one that has come to my notice=
(mainly 'cause I traded a copy, and had the disc returned)
I haven't heard about Beinhorn's involvement, but Matarazzo's name=
definitely turns up all over Celluloid stuff as Executive Producer.
One thing that puzzles me is that three of the main Laswell driven labels=
of the past 15-20 years have fallen into hands of "unscruplous" operators,=
namely Celluloid, Enemy, and Subharmonic/ Strata.=20
If Matarazzo has been a bad operator from back in the Celluloid days, what=
was Material Inc. doing business with him on Subharmonic for? Obviously, if=
they had any sense they wouldn't. So I suspect that Material Inc. and=
Matarazzo fell out after Subharmonic started up. I'd be interested to know=
what actually happened.=20
peace=20
Paul
material-ism=20
http://users.webtime.com.au/pauljay/
- -
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 05:23:37 -0700
From: Phil <phil@clarksonp.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Matarazzo
Chris Genzel wrote:
> 1) I have two Subharmonic releases which have the line "Realization by John
> Matarazzo" on them; these are "Divination: Akasha" and "M.J. Harris/Bill
> Laswell: Somnific Flux". Do these releases have any flaws as well
>compared
> to the original releases, or is Matarazzo credited on each version?
I think I have the original release of these & they both credit Matarazzo
with Realisation amongst the other credits in the booklet. He doesn't get a
credit on the back of the CD cover like on the "new" issue of Sacrifist.
Incidentally, I think Matarazzo also ran a world music label called Interra
a couple of years ago. The releases were mainly of gamelan & Chinese music
& other stuff from the East - all of them had picture CDs & no CD cover or
any notes. At the time I thought it was some exotic marketing ploy to
create an aura of mystery about them - I now think it was pure laziness &
penny-pinching. I've also seen these releases be sold off in new
budget-price CDs with new gaudy trashy covers & really poor sleevenotes.
Avoid.
- -
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 17:50:35 -0500
From: jtalbot@massart.edu
Subject: bass question
i'm not a bass player but i'd like to know what is the difference between a
double bass, contrabass and just an upright bass? thanks
- -
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:04:39 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: bass question
At 4:50 PM -0600 3/2/98, jtalbot@massart.edu wrote:
>i'm not a bass player but i'd like to know what is the difference between a
>double bass, contrabass and just an upright bass? thanks
I believe a double-bass and a contrabass are the same thing. They're
bigger than a bass. That's all I know. I don't think they're in different
keys though. Does anyone know?
Dan
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