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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #247 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Saturday, February 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 247 In this issue: - Praxis Sacrifist / Last Exit unreleased? [none] Re: The Wire (and) Cadence [none] Blind Idiot God Recos Re: Blind Idiot God Recos test Re:PRAXIS Re: Praxis Sacrifist / Last Exit unreleased? Re: The Wire (and) Cadence bass albums Re: Praxis Sacrifist / Last Exit unreleased? Re: bass albums Re: Blind Idiot God Recos Re: classic soul Ernst Reijseger: Colla Parte. Finally. Re: bass albums Re: bass albums Top 10 Charts of Zorn, Frisell et c. Records Re: bass albums ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:32:14 -0500 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi?= Bissonnette <rbisson@courrier.usherb.ca> Subject: Praxis Sacrifist / Last Exit unreleased? If you're looking for the original version of the Sacrifist CD (but not necessarily the ultra-rare Toy's Factory version), I suggest trying at the Downtown Music Gallery (dmg@panix.com). Not so long ago when I was searching for mine (after months of frustration) I asked them and they found it without too much trouble. Great service as always. On another note, I've read somewhere on the net that there are supposedly lots of unreleased live tapes of Last Exit, which would eventually come out. I guess this must primarily be up to Bill Laswell (if he ever has the time to get to that), unless this is just an unfounded rumor? Bruno Bissonnette R=E9mi Bissonnette Ph.D. Professeur titulaire =46acult=E9 d'=C9ducation physique et sportive Universit=E9 de Sherbrooke Sherbrooke, Qu=E9bec J1K 2R1 =20 - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:24:34 -0800 (PST) From: C E DANGELO <cappyd@UVic.CA> Subject: [none] Before everyone gets carried away with compilations on their PCs... The last time I checked, making copies of audio recordings was NOT "fine" under US copyright law, whether you own a copy or not. And although "software" and audio CDs are both binary info protected by copyright law, they are not to be confused (Software is protected as literary works are - copying a few words here and there, or any amount of "ideas" IS ok - but any copying of a recording, even "sampling", is prohibited) Additionally, many countries such as Canada and much of continental Europe afford "moral rights" protection to artists which preclude modifications to works - the atrocious compression that is applied to squish audio files for much PC and internet use may constitute such a modification (as may anything that is not a perfect DIGITAL copy). On another topic - any chance of MASADA shows on the WEST COAST? -cappyd - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:30:50 -0800 From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us> Subject: Re: The Wire (and) Cadence >Cadence tends to have more >in-depth articles and interviews, >although it is slanted sometimes. > In the correct direction, of course. Keith - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:39:11 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> Subject: [none] On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:24:34 -0800 (PST) C E DANGELO wrote: > > Before everyone gets carried away with compilations on their PCs... > > The last time I checked, making copies of audio recordings was NOT "fine" > under US copyright law, whether you own a copy or not. And although ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ But I doubt anybody has even been in trouble for doing it (and limiting the copy for his own consumption). > "software" and audio CDs are both binary info protected by copyright law, > they are not to be confused (Software is protected as literary works are - > copying a few words here and there, or any amount of "ideas" IS ok - but > any copying of a recording, even "sampling", is prohibited) My comment was based on France. > Additionally, many countries such as Canada and much of continental Europe > afford "moral rights" protection to artists which preclude modifications > to works - the atrocious compression that is applied to squish audio > files for much PC and internet use may constitute such a modification (as > may anything that is not a perfect DIGITAL copy). This "atrocious" compression is basically what was used (why do I use the past...) by Philips Digital tape and Sony Mini-Disc. If I remember well, the compression technique used by MPEG is very close to one of these two. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:51:35 -0800 From: Greg Mills <gregm@leftfield.net> Subject: Blind Idiot God Recos This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------ =_NextPart_001_01BD43E3.05636D62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I had good luck with the John Patton recos... Now...Blind Idiot God? Anyone? And what about Idries Muhammed? Thanks Greg - ------ =_NextPart_001_01BD43E3.05636D62 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.1960.3"> <TITLE>Blind Idiot God Recos</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> I had good luck with the John Patton recos... Now...Blind Idiot God? Anyone? And what about Idries Muhammed? Thanks Greg </BODY> </HTML> - ------ =_NextPart_001_01BD43E3.05636D62-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:09:04 -0600 From: magnum-jihad@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson) Subject: Re: Blind Idiot God Recos On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:51:35 -0800 Greg Mills <gregm@leftfield.net> writes: > >Now...Blind Idiot God? Anyone? > >And what about Idries Muhammed? > >Thanks > >Greg > the self titled release on SST is super cool. I've never been able to find 'Cyclotron' anywheres, so I've never heard it. The album who's name escapes me (The one on Enemy Records) is pretty OK, and has a sort of interesting guest appearance by John Zorn. I guess I'd recommend the self titled one, for coolness and availablility. Very loud guitar instrumentals, tempered by some really neat dub pieces. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:35:08 -0800 From: "Patrick Stockton" <sheepherder@worldnet.att.net> Subject: test test...sorry - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:43:45 EST From: FUNKADELlC <FUNKADELlC@aol.com> Subject: Re:PRAXIS fuck this whole sub-harmoic BULLSHIT!!! I WANT THE REAL SACRAFIST!!!! so if anyone would be kind enough to wanna trade a dumb kid in Los angelos a COPY of the original Sarcifist.. it would be cool! i got lotsa stuff to trade and ill provide the blank tape....sum one please help!!! - -cory sklar - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:13:01 -0500 From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net> Subject: Re: Praxis Sacrifist / Last Exit unreleased? R=E9mi Bissonnette wrote: > On another note, I've read somewhere on the net that there are supposed= ly > lots of unreleased live tapes of Last Exit, which would eventually come > out. I guess this must primarily be up to Bill Laswell (if he ever has= the > time to get to that), unless this is just an unfounded rumor? >=20 They do exist, and there are quite a few, but as I remember, each album was generally made up of the best concerts from a particular tour, so we've probably heard the best of them already. But if they were thinking of releasing any more(hello Jeff), I'd vote for their appearance at the Tampere Jazz Fest, or maybe some of the shows that featured guests like Billy Bang, Linda Sharrock, or Diamanda Galas. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:30:15 -0500 From: Rich Williams <punkjazz@snet.net> Subject: Re: The Wire (and) Cadence Doug McKay wrote: > > Boy, do I feel like I've been living in a cave. I've just been paging > through my first issue (Jan '98) of THE WIRE. So this is where you guys > have been coming from. It shows. If anyone is looking for Back Issues of The Wire, Option, DownBeat etc check out. http://home.att.net/~punkjazz/mags.html And please visit my main Sale page at http://home.att.net/~punkjazz for a whole range of stuff that is clogging my tiny apartment. LOTS of rare JZ stuff included, Such as pristine vinyl of Locus Solus and Archery, and a whole bunch of Concert programs and fliers from the Parachute days. Dont be put off by some of the prices, I'm willing to deal. I'll make a very special deal to anyone who can take a bunch of Reel-To-Reel tapes off my hands. Thanks for enduring my shameless self-promotion. Rich - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:47:15 From: Jesse Simon <umsimo10@cc.UManitoba.CA> Subject: bass albums I'm looking for albums of SOLO double bass. That's right. Unaccompanied double bass. I'm sure some great bassist of the fifties or sixties must have done one. Ron Carter perhaps? Paul Chambers? Jimmy Garrison? Charlie Haden? Gary Peacock? Even someone more modern would be good. If anyone knows of anything, please e-mail me, privately or otherwise. Thanks, Jesse - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:47:48 -0800 From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org> Subject: Re: Praxis Sacrifist / Last Exit unreleased? At 08:13 PM 2/27/98 -0500, Rich Williams wrote: >They do exist, and there are quite a few, but as I remember, each album >was generally made up of the best concerts from a particular tour, so >we've probably heard the best of them already. But if they were thinking >of releasing any more(hello Jeff), There are probably a lot of tapes. There are tapes of all the live Praxis gigs and the Third Rail too (I have been trying to extract a tape of the SF Third Rail gig for quite a while.) I just don't know who would put more stuff out given the cost to support the effort. Jeff Spirer B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 00:46:47 -0500 From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> Subject: Re: bass albums Jesse Simon wrote: > I'm looking for albums of SOLO double bass. I think the solo bass disc is a fairly recent phenomenon, so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for one from the '50s or '60s as you describe. Remember that a solo alto saxophone disc was scandalous as recently as Braxton's "For Alto." Pianists were about the only ones who got away with solo records until damn near the '70s, and I'd imagine that bassists were some of the last to get away with it (possibly followed by drummers). Mark Dresser's solo disc "Invocation" on Knitting Factory Works is pretty incredible. Dave Holland and, if I remember correctly, Peter Kowald also had very fine solo bass records last year. Barry Guy must surely have recorded one I would think. Michael Formanek has just finished one for Screwgun that will be issued in the fall. Those are all that leap to mind but I'm sure others will come up with more. Oh, and back in high school my bass-playing girlfriend used to play a lot of solo music recorded by a classical bass virtuoso named Francois Rabbath... while not jazz, these certainly had some air of improvisation about them. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 01:36:16 EST From: JonAbbey2 <JonAbbey2@aol.com> Subject: Re: Blind Idiot God Recos In a message dated 2/27/98 8:17:24 PM, magnum-jihad@juno.com wrote: <<the self titled release on SST is super cool. I've never been able to find 'Cyclotron' anywheres, so I've never heard it. The album who's name escapes me (The one on Enemy Records) is pretty OK, and has a sort of interesting guest appearance by John Zorn. >> Cyclotron is very, very good. The first one I sold after listening to it once or twice; I didn't think it was even close to as good as Cyclotron. I haven't heard the one on Enemy. Jon - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 03:38:51 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu> Subject: Re: classic soul On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, JRZ wrote: > I usually like to buy the original albums instead of an anthology. > Anthologies rarely capture the same flow or feel as the original release. > There's a reason the songs were placed that way. But a lot of great sixties soul records only ever existed on singles or anthologies. The album as the primary artifact is a relatively recent phenomenon for pop music. Chris Hamilton - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 13:57:17 +0100 From: Friedrich Feger <ffeger@gwdg.de> Subject: Ernst Reijseger: Colla Parte. Finally. Hi everybody, after months my copy of Reijseger's Colla Parte on Winter & Winter arrived. Here is my review: The first impression, as with every Winter & Winter CD, is the extraordinarily lavish, creative and beautiful packing. He is very versatile: there are lots of classical elements, i. e. he heavily relies on Bach and contemporary chamber music composers, some country style stuff, a few "jazzy" things, pop, even the Flamenco idiom is used effectively. His technique is brilliant. He plays risky, but never looses control over his sound and intonation. And the diversity of sounds he produces is impressive. He has developed some very Cello-specific things which on the one hand don't try to transmit Frisell/Frith-like guitar tricks and on the other hand go far beyond the classical techniques, even those used by contemporary composers like Gubaidulina and the like (or however her name is spelled, I'll never memorize it. Damn). Sometimes he sings, what he should better refrain from, IMO. On one track he whistles, not virtuous, but okay and musically meaningful. Although there are some passages where pure sounds are explored, mostly defined melodic, harmonic and rythmic structures are used. The pieces are heterogeneous, but each is very consistent and built with a beautiful sense for tension and development. Okay, I dare a comparision to two other solo-Cello CDs I'm currently listening to: Compared to Hank Roberts "22 Years From Now" I'd favour Reijseger because the latter has a much broader approach, i. e. it covers quite a lot of Robert's things but has to say a bunch of other things. Robert's singing is by far superior. But I must say that it seemed to me that Reijseger is influenced by Roberts, what would change the picture a little... originator/follower, something like that. Of Roberts, Reijseger and Tom Cora, I believe Reijseger to be the best technician. But Cora has obviously stuff none of the others does, e. g. the sample delay things, this early Blues-guitar faking et c. (Reijseger doesn't use any electronics on "Colla Parte"). A similarity between Cora and Reijseger is the heavy Bach influence, where IMO Reijseger is more sucessful both in "serving" and in "processing" it. I think Cora's and Reijsegers statements are both strong, with me slightly preferring Reijseger because he is more Cello-specific. More than enough said, Fritz. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:09:55 EST From: Dgasque <Dgasque@aol.com> Subject: Re: bass albums In a message dated 98-02-27 23:45:24 EST, you write: << I'm looking for albums of SOLO double bass. That's right. Unaccompanied double bass. I'm sure some great bassist of the fifties or sixties must have done one. Ron Carter perhaps? Paul Chambers? Jimmy Garrison? Charlie Haden? Gary Peacock? Even someone more modern would be good. If anyone knows of anything, please e-mail me, privately or otherwise. >> ECM bassist Barre Phillips has a decent solo CD out, although he plays more than just double bass on it. IIRC, it's called _One Moon Rising_ or something like that... =dgasque= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:05:58 -0800 From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@IDT.NET> Subject: Re: bass albums Jesse Simon wrote: > > I'm looking for albums of SOLO double bass. That's right. Unaccompanied > double bass. I'm sure some great bassist of the fifties or sixties must > have done one. Ron Carter perhaps? Paul Chambers? Jimmy Garrison? Charlie > Haden? Gary Peacock? Even someone more modern would be good. If anyone > knows of anything, please e-mail me, privately or otherwise. > There's Dave Holland's 'Ones All' (INT 2148 2) from a couple of years back that's very beautiful. Most of the others I can think of off the top of my head are European/free improv in nature: Joelle Leandre, Barre Phillips, etc. An incredible double bass _duo_ recording is 'Arcus' by Phillips and Barry Guy (Maya MCD 9101)--just astonishing playing. Somewhat farther afield, but no less wonderful, is Tom Johnson's 'Failing--A Very Difficult Piece for String-Bass', superbly performed by Robert Black on Vol. 1 of Bang on a Can Live (CRI CD 628). Something in the back of my head makes me think Reggie Workman might have put a solo record out in the late 70's, but I could well be wrong. Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:41:31 +0100 From: Friedrich Feger <ffeger@gwdg.de> Subject: Top 10 Charts of Zorn, Frisell et c. Records Hi, watching the share of mails devoted to rankings and recommendations of recordings and interfering about the demand behind that, I would propose to set up charts for the most discussed artists, based on the opinions of list members. OF COURSE this cannot substitute a detailed and profound discussion about every record, but it could be at least a funny and revealing thing, secondly help people who don't know anything about an artist to choose their first purchase, and thirdly launch a great and time-consuming discussion about a democratic concept of objective truth in matters of taste. All right, to make a beginning, I would agree to compile such a chart list for Bill Frisell. Anyone who likes to contribute her/his very personal ranking of favorite Frisell records is asked to email me her/his choice privately, copying Frisell-Charts into the subject line (for my filter). (Anyone who finds the whole project silly is asked to email me privately with a subject line like "Don't you ever bore me again!"). Fritz. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:22:05 -0500 From: Sean Terwilliger <seanter@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: bass albums Jesse Simon wrote: > I'm looking for albums of SOLO double bass. That's right. Unaccompanied > double bass. I'm sure some great bassist of the fifties or sixties must > have done one. Ron Carter perhaps? Paul Chambers? Jimmy Garrison? Charlie > Haden? Gary Peacock? Even someone more modern would be good. If anyone > knows of anything, please e-mail me, privately or otherwise. > > Thanks, > Jesse > > - There's a guy called John Voigt who has a bass only cd out. Got it through Cadence. It's got a hand painted cover and is a collection of solo, duet, quartet, quintet and sextet of string bass, all played by John. It's fairly out there. Also, Jonas Hellborg has 2 solo bass CD's out. One electric and one acoustic. - -Sean - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #247 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date.