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Zorn List Digest       Friday, February 27 1998       Volume 02 : Number 246



In this issue:
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       Re: Painkiller
       The Zornies
       Re: classic soul
       Re: grammies again
       Re: The Zornies
       iceburn
       Re: PRAXIS
       Re: iceburn
       Re: NEW XLS??!!
       Re: Laswell Info
       Re: PRAXIS
       Re: Praxis
       Re: The <gag> Grammies
       Re: classic soul
       Re: The Zornies
       Re: iceburn
       classic soul on the radio
       Homemade Filmworks Compendium
       The Wire  (and)  Cadence
       Re: The Wire  (and)  Cadence
       Re: The Wire  (and)  Cadence
       Re: Homemade Filmworks Compendium
       Re: Praxis
       Re: Praxis

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:37:50 -0600
From: "Petsitter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Painkiller

- -----Original Message-----
From: dennis summers <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, February 26, 1998 8:13 AM
Subject: Painkiller


>Just a shot in the dark, but if anyone bought the new Painkiller box, and
>has an old 3CD version of execution ground they want to unload, >
>-
>I know have a Buried Secrets and also an Execution ground (2 CD version
but it was already used) that I want to unload.  If any one wants to trade?


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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:08:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Ash <[e-mail]>
Subject: The Zornies

Bring on the Zornies.  I love it!

...And the Zornie for best guitar album of the year goes to Bill
Frisell for "Gone...Just Like A Train".  <applause>





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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:53:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Bob Boster <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: classic soul

On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Fran Bacon wrote:

> I ask because you guys seem to be pretty damn eclectic, especially when
> it comes to the obvious:
>
> What are good (large dose or small dose)  introductions to classic
> (through late Seventies, Early 80s even) soul?  For example, I see there
> are two marvin gaye box sets--the packaging on one looks better, the
> content of the other looks more complete.  What to do?  How about label
> boxes: Motown, Stax/Volt, etc?
>
> This is a bigtime deviation, so feel free to mail me personally, unless
> you think this will be relevant to others' interests.



Just an opinion, but I happen to find the first volume of the Stax/Volt
boxes (first volume is 9 CDs and there's a second I don't own) a totally
indispensible collection of music.  While I like the Motown stuff, I don't
even personally qualify it as soul (more like black pop for the white
market)... A lesser investment would be the Atlantic R&B series which
has a decent smattering of the Stax material (Atlantic was their
distributor), only some of those are up to the same standard of quality as
the Stax box.

Bob


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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:27:38 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: grammies again

> I see that both the Children's Music and Children's Spoken winners were by
> dead people (John Denver and Charles Kuralt).  Over-the-hill, only  popular
> with people older than me dead people at that.
> I know, this has nothing to do with Zorn.

Well, 'Cynical Hysterie Tour' was music for a kid's cartoon, right?... :)

- -jascha


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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:32:55 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Zornies

> Bring on the Zornies.  I love it!

"And now announcing the winners, ladies and gents: best Jazz album: John
Zorn! (applause)  best film album: John Zorn! (applause)  best imrov
album: John Zorn! (applause)  best box set: John Zorn! (applause)
best..."

I dunno...the zornies might be a real sleeper of an event... :)

- -jascha



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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 20:40:01 -0500
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: iceburn

is there anyone interested in the band Iceburn (or the iceburn collective)?
they are on revelation records, who usually carry hardcore bands, but are
definately worth checking out. they are a free jazz/hardcore type band. i'd
recommend "polar bear suit". great art work also.


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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:27:18 EST
From: FUNKADELlC <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: PRAXIS

In a message dated 98-02-26 17:56:36 EST, you write:

<<  It is a post-Laswell Subharmonic release.
 Quality control obviously disappeared when Bill pulled out.  There was a
 very obvious mastering error on this disc and the printing is not up to
snuff. >>

this SUCKS!!!! how do i get a REAL version?? out of print all together??
- -corn

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:26:32 -0500 (EST)
From: "Johnny Cash's Hunchin' Noise Bandit" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: iceburn

On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 [e-mail] wrote:

>
> is there anyone interested in the band Iceburn (or the iceburn collective)?
> they are on revelation records, who usually carry hardcore bands, but are
> definately worth checking out. they are a free jazz/hardcore type band. i'd
> recommend "polar bear suit". great art work also.
>
>
> -
>

I love thee old Iceburn albums like "Firon" (Victory Records) and their
Revelations albums. I just got thee new one a few days ago and it sounds
pretty good. They have getting mellower and mellower as they progress
though, but overall pretty interesting....

thee grasshopper

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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:13:56 -1000
From: Dan Kuehn <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: NEW XLS??!!

What's this - a new last live X-Legged Sally?  Where can I get it and how much
can I expect to pay for a Bang! release?  Imported from where?

- --
Dan Kuehn

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 00:16:32 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Laswell Info

Brian & Sharon Beuchaw wrote:

> What the hell..... It's already out in other countries - any reason why it
> keeps getting pushed back here (besides the usual impenetrable record
> company logic)?

No logic, just the transition from one set of company heads to another.  It's
never smooth.  But Columbia seems to be holding firm to April 14 now.  And
obviously the project's been completed for quite some time now...

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:24:44 -0800
From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: PRAXIS

At 09:27 PM 2/26/98 EST, FUNKADELlC wrote:
>In a message dated 98-02-26 17:56:36 EST, you write:
>
><<  It is a post-Laswell Subharmonic release.
> Quality control obviously disappeared when Bill pulled out.  There was a
> very obvious mastering error on this disc and the printing is not up to
>snuff. >>
>
>this SUCKS!!!! how do i get a REAL version?? out of print all together??

Yes.  Best thing to do at this point is look for a used copy on Toys Factory.


Jeff Spirer
B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com
Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html
Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 03:41:52 -0700
From: Phil <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Praxis

Having bought the original pressing of the Sacrifist CD, I'm a bit confused
as to why there is a version of "Hustlers Convention" stuck at the end of
the new Subharmonic version. I know Bill remixed the original years ago,
but who is responsible for the version here, and what is it doing on a
Praxis CD? Are Subharmonic really that irresponsible that they'll slap
anything down on their CDs?? Any suggestions?

Phil Clarkson
[e-mail]

>My friend got a copy of what is probably the one you have, which breaks
>into >Lightnin' Rod's "Hustler's  Convention" (I think) at some point on
>the disc



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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:13:12 -0500
From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The <gag> Grammies

Don't expect much out of an institution that sees Jethro Tull as heavy metal.  Zorn is
snubbed by these tasteless idiots for the same reason that Ornette, Braxton and a lot
of other truly innovative artists are: they ain't mainstream and chart-toppin'
enough.  Great criteria for awards, ain't it?

Anyone catch John S. Hall's Anti-Grammy show the same night at Coney Island High?
Damn disappointed that I missed this-  Rev. Ivan Stang of Subgenius was there!

My two cents on classic soul is: AL GREEN

Jason
- --

Perfect Sound Forever
[e-mail]
http://www.furious.com/perfect



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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:03:59 -0600
From: JRZ <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: classic soul

At 05:13 PM 2/26/98 -0500, Tom Pratt wrote:
>How about Sly & The Family Stone guys! buy the Anthology.

I guess I always thought of Sly and the Family as funk. A lot of the music
in the 70's doesn't lead itself to definite classification.

For Sly and the Family Stone I'd recommend "Stand" and "There's a Riot
Goin' On". These are both great albums. I also have the older version of
the greatest hits but the new one is probably the one to get.

I usually like to buy the original albums instead of an anthology.
Anthologies rarely capture the same flow or feel as the original release.
There's a reason the songs were placed that way. I think it captures the
moment in time a lot better than 7 albums on 4 discs or whoevers idea of
what the important material is.

anyway,





zube  (young america at it's best)

my tapelist http://www.winternet.com/~zube/tapelist.htm


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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:01:29 -0500
From: "Chris Barrett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Zornies

At 7:32 PM 2/26/98, ia zha nah er vesen wrote:
>> Bring on the Zornies.  I love it!
>
>"And now announcing the winners, ladies and gents: best Jazz album: John
>Zorn! (applause)  best film album: John Zorn! (applause)  best imrov
>album: John Zorn! (applause)  best box set: John Zorn! (applause)
>best..."
>
>I dunno...the zornies might be a real sleeper of an event... :)
>

Well, I guess the Zornies would have to automatically disqualify you know
who......

And be given to those who best imbody that Zorn (or Barton Fink) feeling in
each category.

- -Chris




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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:39:00 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Nathan M Earixson)
Subject: Re: iceburn

On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 20:40:01 -0500 <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>is there anyone interested in the band Iceburn (or the iceburn
>collective)?
>they are on revelation records, who usually carry hardcore bands, but
>are
>definately worth checking out. they are a free jazz/hardcore type
>band. i'd
>recommend "polar bear suit". great art work also.
>
>
>


Good stuff.
I've seen them cover Masada tunes live before.   I'd reccommend Hephastus
(sp?), Poetry of Fire, and whatever the new one was called.

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:16:43 -0600
From: JRZ <[e-mail]>
Subject: classic soul on the radio

There's a syndicated radio station around the country that plays old soul
classics. "Solid Gold Soul". You might want to scan the dial in your area
and see if you have a local affiliate. I used to carry a pad of paper in my
car to write down great tunes I heard while driving. Then you just hit up
your friendly neighborhood used record store and go nuts.

They play a lot of crap but a lot of great stuff too. Listenin to some
Issac Hayes right now. In Minneapolis it's 950 AM.

anyway,


zube  (young america at it's best)

my tapelist http://www.winternet.com/~zube/tapelist.htm


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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:01:41 -0500
From: Jeff Hobbs <[e-mail]>
Subject: Homemade Filmworks Compendium

Hello all,

    I just wanted to show n' tell a little bit about an expiriment I
did a couple nights ago... I used my Mac's mpeg music compressor to make a
CD that contains almost all* of the Filmworks CD's (1-8), plus the Big
Gundown (Filmworks Zero?), 258 songs in total. I now have it
shuffle-playing in the background. Filmworks 8 is quickly becoming my
favorite...

    Now, US *software* law allows you to make a backup for yourself, as
long as you are the owner of the source material. But is this different in
the case of music? I seem to remember hearing that the record companies
considered it illegal to, for example, make a tape of a CD for use in your
car.

    In any case, it sounds really great, and I may do this with the
Masada CD's as well as soon as Circle Maker comes out. Sure beats buying
that 100 disc changer...

~Jeff

* "A Lot of Fun for the Evil One" and "Credits Included" from Filmworks 4
were too big to fit, and I'm not a huge fan of those compositions anyhow.


mailto:[e-mail]
telephone: [phone]
Hampshire College, Box 572,
Amherst, MA 01002



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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:26:13
From: "Doug McKay" <[e-mail]>
Subject: The Wire  (and)  Cadence

Boy, do I feel like I've been living in a cave. I've just been paging
through my first issue (Jan '98) of THE WIRE. So this is where you guys
have been coming from. It shows.

Now how is CADENCE? I haven't found it here in the Twin Cities yet.

Doug McKay
In Minnesota





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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:22:17 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Wire  (and)  Cadence

On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Doug McKay wrote:

> Boy, do I feel like I've been living in a cave. I've just been paging
> through my first issue (Jan '98) of THE WIRE. So this is where you guys
> have been coming from. It shows.
>
> Now how is CADENCE? I haven't found it here in the Twin Cities yet.

Cadence is dynamite: great gobs of reviews and interviews, wrapped around
a catalog that carries everydamnthing. Compared to similar zines, it's
also ridiculously cheap at $3 a copy, due probably to its no-frills
packaging and being subsidized, I would guess, by the catalog end of
things.

I get my copies at Tower mostly, but lotsa places carry it.

http://www.cadencebuilding.com/Cadence/CadenceMagazine.html
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:27:31 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Wire  (and)  Cadence

On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Doug McKay wrote:

> Boy, do I feel like I've been living in a cave. I've just been paging
> through my first issue (Jan '98) of THE WIRE. So this is where you guys
> have been coming from. It shows.

The Wire also have a website.

http://www.dfuse.com/the-wire/homefr.htm


> Now how is CADENCE? I haven't found it here in the Twin Cities yet.

Cadence tends to have more
in-depth articles and interviews,
although it is slanted sometimes.

hasta.

Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.


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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:44:01 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Homemade Filmworks Compendium

On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:01:41 -0500  Jeff Hobbs wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
>     I just wanted to show n' tell a little bit about an expiriment I
> did a couple nights ago... I used my Mac's mpeg music compressor to make a
> CD that contains almost all* of the Filmworks CD's (1-8), plus the Big
> Gundown (Filmworks Zero?), 258 songs in total. I now have it
> shuffle-playing in the background. Filmworks 8 is quickly becoming my
> favorite...

That's a neat idea. I was thinking about doing that with the 100xCD
set (IN CHINA) :-), but I never thought about compression (or using a
DVD...).

>     Now, US *software* law allows you to make a backup for yourself, as
> long as you are the owner of the source material. But is this different in
> the case of music? I seem to remember hearing that the record companies
> considered it illegal to, for example, make a tape of a CD for use in your
> car.

Making a copy for yourself is fine. I doubt that the record industry
loves it, but you bought at least one format in the first place.

The problem starts when you make tape copies for others.

>     In any case, it sounds really great, and I may do this with the
> Masada CD's as well as soon as Circle Maker comes out. Sure beats buying
> that 100 disc changer...
>
> ~Jeff
>
> * "A Lot of Fun for the Evil One" and "Credits Included" from Filmworks 4
> were too big to fit, and I'm not a huge fan of those compositions anyhow.
>
>
> mailto:[e-mail]
> telephone: [phone]
> Hampshire College, Box 572,
> Amherst, MA 01002
>
>
>
> -
>


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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:53:37 +1000
From: Paul Jacobson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Praxis

>Are Subharmonic really that irresponsible that they'll slap
>anything down on their CDs?? Any suggestions?

I'm sure Jeff S can clarify the situation further, but my understanding is=
 that Matarazzo contols both the catalogues of Celluloid and Subharmonic.=
 This has been evident from a number of Celluloid titles now showing up as=
 Subharmonic re-issues.

As Jeff S. has pointed out in the past, Celluloid artists are receiving no=
 money from the sales of their recordings, and I would assume that a similar=
 situation exists with Subharmonic. So I hardly think that some so=
 principled would worry about putting out a substandard release.

"Hustlers Convention" (Lightnin' Rod aka Jalal of Last Poets + music by Kool=
 & The Gang when they were funky) is/was owned Celluloid which had secured=
 the rights to the Douglas back catalogue.

Apparently the master tapes & cover-art for Sacrifist were not available to=
 the current "owners" of Subharmonic and the currently available release was=
 dubbed from cd, althought it may have been cassette given the sound=
 quality. The "Lightnin' Rod" segment tacked on the end sounds to me like a=
 dj has dropped the tape in a recorder and started to practice cutting up=
 without realising that there was other material on the tape.

This doesn't excuse the poor sound quality, total lack of mastering (ie no=
 index points) and the fact that nobody at Subharmonic picked up the mistake=
 or cared enough to withdraw the disc from sale.

The bottom line is that the current Subharmonic release is not worth buying =
unless;

1) you are a completeist and have to have every version of the recording
or;
2) You can pick up a cheap copy as a fill in 'til you get a legit copy

peace

Paul






material-ism=20
http://users.webtime.com.au/pauljay/



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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:34:18 -0800
From: Jeff Spirer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Praxis

At 08:53 AM 2/28/98 +1000, Paul Jacobson wrote:

>
>1) you are a completeist and have to have every version of the recording

If this is the case, buy the relatively rare (at least here in the US) Toys
Factory release.


Jeff Spirer
B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com
Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html
Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/

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