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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #245
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, February 26 1998 Volume 02 : Number 245
In this issue:
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Re: selling vinyl Big Gundown
Re: selling vinyl Big Gundown
new x-legged sally album
The <gag> Grammies
Painkiller
Re: Big Gundown (Value of releases: Bible Launcher)
Re: Buster Keaton
Re: milford graves
graves
re:praxis
re:praxis
Re: The <gag> Grammies
grammies again
classic soul
homepage
Re: classic soul
Re: classic soul
Re: classic soul
Re: classic soul
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 03:37:59 PST
From: "Tim Schelfhout" <s_tim@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: selling vinyl Big Gundown
- ----Original Message Follows----
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:28:05 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Reply-To: tpratt@smtc.net
To: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>,
zorn-list@xmission.com
Subject: Re: selling vinyl Big Gundown
Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:47:46 -0500 Tom Pratt wrote:
> >
> > I am selling an absolutely perfect condition vinyl copy of John
Zorn's
> > 'The Big Gundown' for $50 even (shipping and handling included).
This is
> > a very rare Zorn collectors item that I will sell to the first
person
> > who responds.
>
> $50? For a record that still pops up once in a while in the bins...
> Even RADIO HOUR does not reach that price.
>
> Patrice.
When trying to figure out how much I wanted to sell this record, if at
all, I asked a music-freak friend in Boston and he told me that he once
saw a sealed copy of 'The Big Gundown' selling for $65 - I'm not sure
where. Because my copy is in perfect condition and I'm not really
itching to get rid of it, I decided on $50. If this truly is outrageous,
let me know - but I don't think it is.
-Tom Pratt
- -
I'm sorry, I do think it is outrageous !! I bought this album a little
over a year ago and it cost me +/- 15$. Occasionally I see
it in a record store but I've never seen it higher priced than 20$ and
I'm talking import here cuz' I live all the way in Belgium (Brussels in
Belgium for those who care!! Here I am thinking records are so much
cheaper in the US. Don't tell me I got the wrong impression coz I'm
coming over next month.
Pratt get a grip on the prices man, 50$ is a blast !!
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 06:25:21 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: selling vinyl Big Gundown
> Pratt get a grip on the prices man, 50$ is a blast !!
I'm sorry folks! I did not know this was so crazy. I got the price by
asking a friend, and because it's obviously outrageous, screw the whole
thing. Adios!
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:39:00 -0300
From: "A. Bueno" <jabu@sminter.com.ar>
Subject: new x-legged sally album
Does someone in the list heard this album or knows where to get this cd.
- -Legged Sally | Fired | cd/Bang!
Fired is X-Legged Sally's testament. This
funk-speed-metal-free-jazz Belgian band was well known outside Belgium,
with theri records produced by Bill Laswell and their gigs in The
Knitting Factory. Fired is a live-album whichgives a fairly good
overview of the band's repertoire. And that's free jazz, heavy rock,
speed metal mixed together in a vertigo of melodies and rhythms (these
guys are excellent musicians). Sometimes they sound a bit like
the freejazz noise combo Naked City and at other times like Frank Zappa
(they cover one of his songs City of Tiny Lites). The drums and the bass
keep everything together while the keyboards, guitar and horns really
freak out. Most of the songs are instrumental, but a few once feature a
fucked up singer. This is definitely no easy-listening music, but
X-Legged Sally was the perfect band to mix jazz and rock. Most its
band members have started new bands and projects, so there is a good
chance that eventually a band will pop up which can fill the gap that is
left in the Belgian music scene. (bt)
Thank you A.Bueno
- -
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:02:46 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: The <gag> Grammies
Well, Zorn didn't win anything again this year. What's up with that Grammy
committee??
Heh.
Actually, I noticed that someone took the prize for best box set package and the
way I see it, there's no way it coulda had a nicer package than that beautiful
shiny Parachute Set box I got. But oh well. With an academy that still gives
awards for best Polka album of the year (Frankie Yankovic's a 17-time Grammy
Award Winner! But what about Guy Klucevsic?), gave the best Rock Instrumental
award to the Chemical Brothers and gave awards to Bob Dylan for best Folk Album
AND Best Male Rock Vocal (can we say, contradiction? can we say, Idol Worship?)
what can we expect.
That 's why I think we should have the Zornies.
Best Improvised Jazz Release
Best Traditional Jazz Release
Best Classical-Oriented Release
Best DnB Release
Best Sax Performance - Solo
Best Guitar Performance - Solo
Best Drum Performance - Solo
Best Sax Performance with a Group
Best Guitar Performance with a Group
Best Drum Performance with a Group
Best Performance by a Duo or Group - Jazz
Best Reissue
Best Package
Best Remixer
etc. etc.
What other categories would there be?
I think it's high time the artists mentioned on this list got some specific
recognition for their hard work, and who better than the people on this list to
nominate and award?
Anyway, if people are interested, and I mean this semi-seriously,
email me privately and send me your list of categories and maybe nominees.
Thanks,
Peter
peter_risser@cinfin.com
- -
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:10:25 -0700
From: dennis summers <denniss@ic.net>
Subject: Painkiller
Just a shot in the dark, but if anyone bought the new Painkiller box, and
has an old 3CD version of execution ground they want to unload, please
contact me. Thanx.
- --ds
***Quantum Dance Works***
****http://ic.net/~denniss****
- -
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:12:34 -0500
From: "Andy Marks" <Andy.Marks@mts.com>
Subject: Re: Big Gundown (Value of releases: Bible Launcher)
While we're talking about the value of this release
on vinyl, what do you people think would be
the going price for a nice shiny, unopened copy of
the canceled Tzadik release Bible Launcher?
I've got one, though I am not in any hurry to unload
it. I am just curious as to what other people think
it might be worth. I haven't seen any lately.
- -
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:37:25 -0500
From: Alan E Kayser <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Buster Keaton
p.rice wrote:
> alan
>
> i do disagree with you.
> i saw bill frisell's buster keaton project live (with full cinema
> screen), and have to say it was excellent. i didn't know all of the
> films beforehand, but had always liked the ones i knew. after the
> concert i got even more into buster keaton.
> i think that the whole thing went very well. the band used tv-monitors
>
> so they always knew what was happening on the screen, and kept up no
> problem with every single change on-screen. (i'm sure it took them
> some
> time to work all that out.) the music - because of the bands accurate
> playing - never distracted me from the film, it only enhanced a lot of
>
> the parts.
> also, don't forget that at the time the silent films originally came
> out, cinemas used to have an in-house piano player to improvise along
> to
> the films. bill's idea bases on a long forgotten tradition. i must
> admit
> though, that the idea of a band playing to a film probably only works
> in
> a live concert/screening; and not sitting at home, chucking the cd
> into
> the stereo and trying to get that in synch with your video!!!
> patRice
>
I've received quite a few responses to my posting concerning the
Frisell/Keaton project. Since I was not lucky enough to see this live,
my feelings were directed toward the at-home experience. It's quite
difficult to try matching/synchronizing the cd to the film. Thus my
statement on the music being a distraction. I will repeat that I am a
huge fan of both Buster and Bill, and in fact see some similarities
between the two. I do enjoy the Keaton music, just not while watching
the films. Perhaps if I had seen it live my feelings would be
different.
For those of you in the Philadelphia area, I will be presenting PACHORA
here on March 8 at the Ethical Society Hall, 19th and Rittenhouse
Square. This beautiful location is perfect for this type of music. The
show will begin at 4pm, tickets are $10. They can be purchased at the
door or ahead of time at 15 S. 11th St 3rd Floor. Ask for me. In case
you are wondering, PACHORA is Jim Black, Brad Shepik, Chris Speed, and
Skuli Sverrisson. Thus the Zorn connection. It's not often that these
New York guys get to play here, so please come out and show your
support.
Alan
- -
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:48:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: milford graves
On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Tom Pratt wrote:
> I actually picked this one up today as my Tzadik pick (it was a tough
> battle between Graves, Daniel Goode, and Filmworks VIII) and I've really
> been enjoying it! I haven't gotten to listen to the whole thing yet
> because I also picked up a 3-LP set of Chinese Opera, but I wasn't
> expecting 'Grand Unification' to be as energetic as this! I was actually
> just going to post asking where else I can find this guy so thanks for
> the info on the record with Doyle. I just got introduced to Arthur
> Doyle's music through two of his solo records which I can't decide if I
> like or not... Anybody have Doyle recommendations?
i think _babi_ was a pretty limited pressing from the late 60's/early
70's kind of like graves' record with don pullen called _nommo_. that's
why i was wondering if anyone else had a copy. john corbett mentions it
in _extended play_, but i think you'll have a tough time tracking it
down. if you like _grand unification_ then you should definitely check
out graves' disc on esp. he also has great records with new york art
quartet and albert ayler.
b
- -
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:51:56 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: graves
if you like the new milford graves solo disc, you may also like his
duo cd with david murray -"real deal" (diw) . hywel
- -
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:13:00 -0700
From: louie <louie@gwtc.net>
Subject: re:praxis
>
> Apparently you have a bootleg copy of the album, as the original
> "Sacrifist" is not one long track.
really. i bought it from cd now about a year ago. looked official (guess
that's the concept...). should it have contained an insert booklet of
some kind? was the original from subharmonic? thats the label mine is.
>My friend got a copy of what is
probably the one you have, which breaks into Lightnin' Rod's "Hustler's
> Convention" (I think) at some point on the disc
yea... just sort of goes into a hip-hop funky spoken word kinda thing
with a lot of cut & paste, then just sort of ends... interesting
tho...-louie
- -
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:28:24 -0800
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: re:praxis
At 08:13 AM 2/26/98 -0700, louie wrote:
>>
>> Apparently you have a bootleg copy of the album, as the original
>> "Sacrifist" is not one long track.
>
>really. i bought it from cd now about a year ago. looked official (guess
>that's the concept...). should it have contained an insert booklet of
>some kind? was the original from subharmonic? thats the label mine is.
It's not really a bootleg. It is a post-Laswell Subharmonic release.
Quality control obviously disappeared when Bill pulled out. There was a
very obvious mastering error on this disc and the printing is not up to snuff.
Jeff Spirer
B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com
Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html
Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
- -
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:28:21 -0500
From: Glenn Lea <glenn_lea@avid.com>
Subject: Re: The <gag> Grammies
peter_risser@cinfin.com wrote:
> Actually, I noticed that someone took the prize for best box set package and the
> way I see it, there's no way it coulda had a nicer package than that beautiful
> shiny Parachute Set box I got.
The winner was "Beg, Scream and Shout". A hands-down better "package". While
Parachute Box is classy, it's fairly traditional, being several jewel cases in
a box with beautiful graphics and production values. Rhino's "Beg, Scream and
Shout", a collection of 120 60s soul singles, is a whole concept that really
works. It's a sturdy numbered carrying case like people used to carry 45s
around in, complete with handle. Inside are 6 7" "sleeves" that look just
like 45 sleeves with the big hole showing the label (actually, the CD). Each
of the CDs has a different label that looks like a classic soul label (though
the "Chess" label has a rhino silhouette instead of the usual chess knight).
Each CD fits into a plastic 45 (complete with fake grooves) that slides into
its sleeve. Big, readable :) print on the sleeve tells you what the tracks
are. There's a 7"x7" booklet summarizing the whole set. Last but not least,
there's a box containing 120 "trading cards", one per artist, with a photo on
one side and "stats" on the back. As cool as Parachute is, this has it beat.
Another great "package" is the Anthology of American Folk, but I see that won
in a couple of other categories.
- -
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:37:23 -0500
From: Glenn Lea <glenn_lea@avid.com>
Subject: grammies again
I see that both the Children's Music and Children's Spoken winners were by
dead people (John Denver and Charles Kuralt). Over-the-hill, only popular
with people older than me dead people at that.
I know, this has nothing to do with Zorn.
- -
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:30:52 PST
From: "Fran Bacon" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: classic soul
I ask because you guys seem to be pretty damn eclectic, especially when
it comes to the obvious:
What are good (large dose or small dose) introductions to classic
(through late Seventies, Early 80s even) soul? For example, I see there
are two marvin gaye box sets--the packaging on one looks better, the
content of the other looks more complete. What to do? How about label
boxes: Motown, Stax/Volt, etc?
This is a bigtime deviation, so feel free to mail me personally, unless
you think this will be relevant to others' interests.
Thanks
fb
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:08:32 +0100 (MEZ)
From: BJOERN <bjoern.eichstaedt@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
Subject: homepage
sorry for this,
just would like to announce that my new homepage "the music of bjoern
eichstaedt" is now online at:
http://www.cityinfonetz.de/uni/homepage/bjoern.eichstaedt
thanx
B
- -
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:09:51 -0600
From: JRZ <zube@winternet.com>
Subject: Re: classic soul
At 12:30 PM 2/26/98 PST, Fran Bacon wrote:
>I ask because you guys seem to be pretty damn eclectic, especially when
>it comes to the obvious:
>
>What are good (large dose or small dose) introductions to classic
>(through late Seventies, Early 80s even) soul?
Otis Redding!
Classic 60's soul. The man who wrote 'Respect', 'Hard to Handle', 'I Can't
Turn you Loose' (Blues Brothers theme), not to mention 'Sittin by the Dock
of the Bay'. The undisputed king of soul, in my mind anyway. Otis had
'Booker T and the MG's' as his backing band for most of his sessions. Steve
Cropper is a true master of soul guitar. His playing is simple and
effective, just beautiful. I don't think you can go wrong with any Otis
Redding albums.
Some classic albums,
Curtis Mayfield - Superfly
Issac Hayes - Soundtrack from Shaft (I don't think it's available on CD),
Marvin Gaye - What's Going On
Although it may pain people to admit it, The (original) Blues Brothers were
an excellent Soul/R&B combo and put out some pretty good albums.
zube (young america at it's best)
my tapelist http://www.winternet.com/~zube/tapelist.htm
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:21:17 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: classic soul
On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, JRZ wrote:
> Issac Hayes - Soundtrack from Shaft (I don't think it's available on CD),
on the contrary, i've seen it on CD.
Aquarius Records has it.
http://aquarius.bianca.com
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:37:14 -0500
From: "Ch{is Barrett" <cbarrett@neaq.org>
Subject: Re: classic soul
>Some classic albums,
>
>Curtis Mayfield - Superfly
>Issac Hayes - Soundtrack from Shaft (I don't think it's available on CD),
>Marvin Gaye - What's Going On
There is a 25th anniversary reissue of the Superfly soundtrack. I've
listened to a little of it and most of the extra tracks are kind of
superfluous unless you are really into the outtakes and demo versions.
However, the remastering job does sound like it's done wonders for the
album. A fantastic album. Rhino has a Curtis Mayfield greatest hits cd
that includes some tracks from this, and some other great tunes like "Move
On Up" (all 8 minutes), "Kung Fu" and "Future Shock", but the mastering
isn't that good.
The soundtrack from Shaft has also just been reissued.
"What's Goin' On" has some great tunes, but if your looking for a cheap
sampling to get an idea of what Marvin you'd like, there is a Mowtown
issued greatest hits that you can usually find new for about ten bucks that
has a good intersection of his late sixties and early seventies stuff
(though it is missing "Make Me Wanna Holler" from What's Goin' On) thats
pretty cool. I don't own any of the box sets, but I've been meaning to get
one.
One other set that I've heard real good things about, but haven't had the
chance to pick up yet, is the Gamble and Huff box set (3cds) which is the
Philly soul story (no, NOT Hall and Oates ;)) with one hit wonders like the
tune "Me and Mrs. Jones" and I believe Harold Melvin and the Bluenotes
(with Teddy Pendergrass) among others.
Finally, Stevie Wonder has three great albums ("Innervisions", "Talking
Book" and "Songs in the Key of Life") from the seventies, before he
cheesed out in the eighties, with great tunes like "Livin' For The City",
"Superstition" and "Sir Duke".
Great Stuff.
- -Chris
- -
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:13:26 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: classic soul
How about Sly & The Family Stone guys! buy the Anthology. People talk
about Curtis Mayfield's solo stuff but what about the Impressions? They
were awesome and they now have a two-disc anthology out. I also really
like the Dramatics. "Get Up & Get Down" is one of my all-time favorite
soul tunes. Actually the soundtrack to Dead Presidents is damn good for
this stuff - it has awesomeness by Mayfield, Sly, Barry White, James
Brown, Aretha Franklin, O'Jays, Isaac Hayes, Dramatics, etc... Get the
James Brown box set and the Live At The Apollo discs too!
-Tom Pratt
- -
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