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Zorn List Digest     Wednesday, February 25 1998     Volume 02 : Number 243



In this issue:
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       Re: masada4
       Masada not over after all...
       Re: Bobby Previte
       pachora
       Re: Frisell help
       RE: Painkiller Confusion
       Re: Filmworks VIII
       re:Banyan
       Re: Panthalassa
       Re: Free Jazz - New transfer
       Re: Buster Keaton
       Re: Bobby Previte
       Re: Buster Keaton
       Re: Filmworks VIII
       Painkiller Art
       RE: Painkiller Confusion - MN stores
       new 4cd painkiller

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:30:30 -0500
From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: masada4

Jason Tors wrote:
>
> I went to NYC tower last night and looked at 4 for a while. It was 21$$.
> That would have to be an intense 20mins for 21$.
> I got my first Praxis album, Sacrifist. Pretty interesting, I am not always
> in the mood for thrash jazz, although I get a huge rush listening to it on
> headphones, some wild balance tweaks.  Are all the albums like this one?

Sacrifist is the most extreme of the 4 discs. Its also the only one that
doesn't have a real "band" feel. Try Transmutation.

Rich



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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:43:52 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Masada not over after all...

Guess everyone (including Zorn last fall!) spoke too soon about Masada
being over.  They're playing at the Knitting Factory April 27-29.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]



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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:47:19 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bobby Previte

On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:08:06 -0500  Steve Smith wrote:
>
> Now that Patrice and Alan have limned the best places to start for Bobby's
> music, I would also add that if you can find them, there are three very
> special discs on Sound Aspects: "Nine Below Zero," "Todos Santos" and
> "Larks, They Crazy."  All three include Butch Morris and Wayne Horvitz; the
> first is just the trio and is a marvel of electro-acoustic delicacy and
> beauty, while the latter two add additional musicians such as Doug
> Wieselman, Bill Frisell and Robin Holcomb and are comprised completely of
> Holcomb's knotty instrumental compositions.

Nice to see that other people like Robin. I always found the above
records fascinating and inspired. It is really sad that they never
reached a larger audience.

> There's also a trio on Soul Note featuring Wayne and Bobby with William
> Parker, which I've not heard.  Any thoughts?

I guess you mean the following one (with Butch Morris but without Bobby):

014 - SOME ORDER, LONG UNDERSTOOD: Wayne Horvitz
    1994 - Black Saint (Italy), 120059-2 (CD)

This is a pure improv record but in a very introspective and moody way
(as you can expect from people like Wayne and Butch Morris). I find it
a very successful improv session where the musicians really work
together, and not side by side. It is also a pleasure to listen to it
(and one of the very rare pure improv session with Wayne).

    Patrice.

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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:06:14 -0500
From: Alan E Kayser <[e-mail]>
Subject: pachora

Kntting Factory artists PACHORA will be appearing in Philadelphia on
March 8, 1998.  The performance will take place at 4PM at the Ethical
Society Hall, 19th and Rittenhouse Square.  PACHORA consists of

    Brad Shepik (Tiny Bell Trio, Babkas, Paul Motian) guitar
    Jim Black (Bloodcount, Tiny Bell Trio, Human Feel) percussion
    Chris Speed (Bloodcount) reeds
    Skuli Sverrisson e bass

The concert is presented by SweetNighter Productions, in the debut of
Support Jazz in Philly.  For more information and tickets ($10) contact

    [e-mail]

or purchase tickets directly at 15 S. 11th Street (3rd floor - ask for
Alan or Craig).


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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:57:34 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Douglas Tapia)
Subject: Re: Frisell help

>http://www.nwu.edu/wnur/jazz/artists/frisell.bill/discog.txt is an
>excellent if somewhat obsolete (dated March 1993) annotated
>discography by Matt Wright.  Matt recommends the albums Where in the
>World and Have a Little Faith most highly, and I have to second these
>recommendations.  Faith in particular is all covers, including Madonna
>and Dylan.  These albums are more complex than Nashville, and although
>I haven't heard the new one yet, I get the impression that he's
>simplifying his style (not necessarily a bad thing) in recent works.

I second this.  I would add to _Where in the World_ and _Have a Little
Faith_ two disks:

_Is That You?_ which was produced by Wayne Horwitz, features a recording of
"Yuba City", (Which Wayne also recorded with THE PRESIDENT) a great
reworking of "The Days of Wine and Roses" and everything in between.

_Live_ featuring Driscol and Baron.  Awsome stuff, very close to a Frisell
concert (Actually, it was) with plenty of "outness" for all.


TTFN,


Doug T.



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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 05:04:37 +0000
From: Dwight Haden <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Painkiller Confusion

>Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:03:25 PST
>From: "coleman francis" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Various bits
>
>I'm now confused again about the Painkiller releases. Sorry to be
>harping on something that I should have been paying more attention to,
>but why is there a box set AND the Earache reissue of Guts/Buried? I
>haven't picked up the box yet, and now I see this thing on Earache is
>released this week. What's the deal, and what should I be buying? I
>think I want it all. (I've only heard Buried Secrets, and it's been a
>while, but I really liked it.)

If you don't have any Painkiller yet, go ahead and buy the 4cd Box set
from Tzadik.  If you liked Buried Secrets, you won't be disappointed.

You should be able to find it for about $40.

Earache has just reissued Buried Secrets/Guts of a Virgin, this time on
one disk.  Their version does not include the "extra" track (w/Haino)
found on the BS/Guts disk in the Tzadik box.  Earache also redesigned
the CD packaging, piecing bits together from both CD's.  Not all of the
original artwork is included.  But hey, it's a lot cheaper.

  Dwight Haden === [e-mail]


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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:43:26 +0100
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Filmworks VIII

About Filmworks VIII:

> Same reaction in my house.  The second track is gorgeous.  Overall, one
> of the strongest of Zorn's so-many recent releases.  Basically, it's two
> soundtracks, about 30 mins each.  First half is Masada Chamber Music,
> second is Baptista/Wolleson percussion duets (with vibes).
>
> I'm surprised at how fast this one came out --- it was recorded in
> November '97.  Zorn is effusive in his praise of the musicians and
> producer in the liners.

Filmworks VIII is fast becoming my favorite, alongside Filmworks IV. Filmworks
III wasn't too bad either. The fact that it was released so soon after it was
recorded probably means that the rate at which releases in the Filmworks series
are issued will be dropping. Unless there is a lot of archive material, of
course. The first part of FW 8 really makes me look forward to that Masada
String Trio album, as well as Circle Maker.

Frankco.



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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 00:42:03 -0800 (PST)
From: leon lee <[e-mail]>
Subject: re:Banyan

[e-mail] wrote:

Possibly off topic, but has anyone here heard the first self-titled CD by
Banyan?

maybe it is off the topic but i feel compelled to shell out my 2cents:
Banyan was very uninteresting to me.  After hearing ANY Nels Cline Trio
records, Banyan is nothing.  The Freeway Keyboardist is rumoured to be
Money Mark (of Keyboard Repair fame) who's chops are nice and soulful but
STephen Perkins has no sense for music that doesn't chime 'rock'.  His
beats are boring, his tempo is in the mud and all he is is steady (like
some have said, if you don't sound good, at least you can be tight).  Watt
isn't a very good improvisor per say.  I can only recollect him being
really inside the music on Nels Cline's 7" Beardism (as an improvisor).
And anybody who hasn't heard Nels Cline play shouldn't check out Banyan
first (or the Geralding Fibbers for that matter) -- check out 'Ground' or
'Chest' -- please.

leon
*i guess i'm being a little harsh, but i couldn't listen to Banyan all the
way through the few times i tried.  i really tried.


  Members include Nels Cline, Mike Watt, Stephen Perkins, and The
Freeway Keyboardist.  This stuff sounds like Zony Mash in Dieter Dierks'
1972 studio!  Crazy fusion meets psych stuff.  A must buy for those into
this sort...but then again, there isn't much out there like this...

Back to the regularly scheduled programming, already in progress...

=dgasque=


disclaimer:it's all true.



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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:52:45 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Panthalassa

I have mixed feelings about this, mostly because it seems to get off
to a bad start (a 15 minute mix taking in all the tracks on In A
Silent Way).  Can't see ANY reason for preferring this to the
original album.  That said, the mixes from On The Corner and Get Up
With It are pretty good: Black Satin is mixed into something called
What Is, which sounds unreleased to me (I haven't yet checked my tape
of Miles' 70s singles) then it segues into a slightly dumb dub
version of the Agharta Prelude (Part 2), the one with the riff a
little like Funky Tonk (quoted by Wayne Shorter on Weather Report in
Tokyo, which I picked up at the same time).  Don't know what Bill's
source for this was: that's another gripe - there are FOUR sets of
sleeve notes and none of them tell you anything remotely interesting,
let alone about the original tapes.  It certainly does send you back
to the originals, because there's no track specific personnel list!!
(So the Agharta dub MAY not be from Agharta, but a studio recording
...???).  The stuff from Get Up With It is best.  A sensible mix of
He Loved Him Madly, cutting out most of the first ten minutes, and
Rated X segued into a half length Billy Preston.  I guess time will
tell - I regularly go and listen to these two tracks, so maybe it'll
be Panthalassa rather than Get Up With It which I select for that
purpose.

There's more listening to be done for trainspotters like myself: are
there any alternate solos? (There aren't on the InASilentWay
segment).  But, on the whole, I'm more disappointed than I'd have
hoped ...

The Weather Report album is recommended however (live, January 1972,
Shorter Zawinul Vitous and Eric Gravett.  The first two sides of the
double album were edited to half length for side two of I Sing The
Body Electric.  If you don't like that, then don't bother!)

Sean Wilkie

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:02:22 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Free Jazz - New transfer

while the 6CD box of Coleman recordings is a prize possession for me,
it can be a dent in the wallet.  The FREE JAZZ single disc in
Britain comes complete with the "First Take" first heard on Twins, so
it's not a bad buy if it's mid-price like it is over here ...

Sean Wilkie

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:07:10 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Buster Keaton

Has anyone tried their own "screening" of Keaton movies with Frisell
soundtrack?  One Week was on British TV a year ago, so I videod it,
and tried to play the music alongside.  I was doing all right, and
then hit a bit where, as best I can surmise, a couple of minutes had
been chopped out of the film they broadcast!!

Sean Wilkie

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:15:55 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bobby Previte

I second Empty Suits and ALL Weather Clear Track Fast albums
(including Hue and Cry, what's wrong with it??).

As a sideman, one of Previte's unusual but interesting sessions is as
part of the New Note (?) Quintet, with Greg Cohen on bass, backing
Glasgow's very own Annie Ross in the great Robert Altman's SHORT
CUTS.  You can see Bobby in the film (in the nightclub) if you're
paying attention (as you must with Altman).  Doubtlessly, I'm
influenced by my love of the film, BUT I'm actually very good at NOT
LIKING soundtracks-sans-movie.  (A lot of Morricone, for instance,
which sounds BRILLIANT to me during the film, just sounds silly on
its own).  The music was written by, variously, Horace Silver, Elvis
Costello, The Jazz Passengers, Bono&The Edge (yuk!), Gavin Friday,
and 3 or 4 by Dr.John&Doc Pomus.  Well worth a listen but whatever
you do WATCH THE FILM!!

Next week: Kansas City !

Sean Wilkie

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:58:11 -0500
From: Alan E Kayser <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Buster Keaton

DR S WILKIE wrote:

> Has anyone tried their own "screening" of Keaton movies with Frisell
> soundtrack?  One Week was on British TV a year ago, so I videod it,
> and tried to play the music alongside.  I was doing all right, and
> then hit a bit where, as best I can surmise, a couple of minutes had
> been chopped out of the film they broadcast!!
>
> Sean Wilkie

As a huge Buster Keaton fan (own all the silents via three box sets on
laser disk, all MGM via two box sets on laser, as well as 8mm prints,
etc) and a Bill Frisell nut, I too have reservations about Bill playing
alongside the films.  It doesn't really work very well.  Bill's music is
a bit too distracting.  Film music for the most part should not distract
from the visuals, especially so for silent films.  Electric guitar
interpretations of on screen actions seem out of place in a silent, as
would say King Oliver during Terminator 2.  However, I certainly enjoy
the music without the film, and applaud Bill for trying this daunting
task.  For an interesting take on modern music for a silent listen to
the Club Foot Orchestra do "Sherlock Jr."  Though not entirely
successful, it seems a better match than Frisell.  I've also tried Mark
Dresser's music for "Dr. Calidgari" but found that the running speeds
vary so much that unless you have the exact right speed it becomes a
major distraction, too.

Alan Kayser

>
>
> -




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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:05:37 -0500
From: Alan E Kayser <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Filmworks VIII

[e-mail] wrote:

> About Filmworks VIII:
>
> > Same reaction in my house.  The second track is gorgeous.  Overall,
> one
> > of the strongest of Zorn's so-many recent releases.  Basically, it's
> two
> > soundtracks, about 30 mins each.  First half is Masada Chamber
> Music,
> > second is Baptista/Wolleson percussion duets (with vibes).
>
> Filmworks VIII is fast becoming my favorite, alongside Filmworks IV.
> Filmworks
> III wasn't too bad either. Frankco.
>

I second third and... the motion.  The Filmworks VIII is a beautiful
recording.  The second piece is indeed a high point in Zorn's
composing.  The story behind the music is very emotional, and that
emotion comes through in the music.  Take it from this Jewish husband
with Chinese wife, it moved both of us.  I can only hope that the new
Bar Kokhba next month will be as good as this.

Alan



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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:11:34 -0600
From: "Petsitter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Painkiller Art

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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:03:10 -0600
From: JRZ <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Painkiller Confusion - MN stores

At 05:04 AM 2/25/98 +0000, Dwight Haden wrote:

>
>If you don't have any Painkiller yet, go ahead and buy the 4cd Box set
>from Tzadik.  If you liked Buried Secrets, you won't be disappointed.
>
>You should be able to find it for about $40.
>

I saw this at the Electric Fetus in Minneapolis for $25. I pre-ordered it
from cdnow for a bit more. DOH! That's what I get for not supporting the
local guys.

Any Minnesota people seen Masada 9 or the new Filmworks anywhere in town? I
haven't seen a Masada disc on any shelves for quite some time.

anyway,

zube





my tapelist http://www.winternet.com/~zube/tapelist.htm
Look at Jim Evans, Look at his head, He's got a compass, and a rollaway
bed! - HGB


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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:09:21 -0700
From: louie <[e-mail]>
Subject: new 4cd painkiller

> I'm now confused again about the Painkiller releases. Sorry to be
> harping on something that I should have been paying more attention to,
> but why is there a box set AND the Earache reissue of Guts/Buried? I
> haven't picked up the box yet, and now I see this thing on Earache is
> released this week. What's the deal, and what should I be buying?


i just bought the new 4cd box set of painkiller last night. here's what
i have discovered: first, it is 4cd's, the first cd being marked "disc
zero" and it contains the entire first two albums (guts and secrets)
plus "marianne" with whats-his-face from ruins.

disc one, two and three is the original 3cd japanese release of
execution ground complete with live in osaka on disc 3 and ambient on
disc 2. (anybody interested in the 2disc release of execution ground
from subharmonic? i suddenly seem to have an extra copy. hmmmm....)

and true to tzadik's form, the printing of the artwork is impeccable.
all intact & uncencored as specified. so unless earache prints
everything as original, i'd say get the tzadik version.

the only question i have is: is "live in osaka" the same as the
recording on the cd "rituals". seems strange that the box set says right
on the case "painkiller,  complete works 1991-1994" and not include
rituals?

well, gotta go listen to this out in my vehicle, the wife says no to
zorn when she's around the house. (*damn*)

- -louie

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