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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #242
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, February 24 1998 Volume 02 : Number 242
In this issue:
-
Various bits
Zorn List Digest V2 #240
Re: Johnson/Frisell/Baron/?
cd dilema
Re: Laswell Info
Re: masada 4? & Misha Mengelberg
Re: Laswell Info
Re: Banyan
Re: Free Jazz - new transfer?
Re: Free Jazz - new transfer?
RE: Laswell Info
Re: cd dilema
Re: Laswell Info
Re: cd dilema
Re: Laswell Info
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #241
Re: Laswell Info
Re: Frisell help
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:03:25 PST
From: "coleman francis" <cherokeejack666@hotmail.com>
Subject: Various bits
Hey everyone,
A few things:
I'm now confused again about the Painkiller releases. Sorry to be
harping on something that I should have been paying more attention to,
but why is there a box set AND the Earache reissue of Guts/Buried? I
haven't picked up the box yet, and now I see this thing on Earache is
released this week. What's the deal, and what should I be buying? I
think I want it all. (I've only heard Buried Secrets, and it's been a
while, but I really liked it.)
I finally picked up Zorn's First Recordings 1973 the other day. I
laughed my ass off. This is great stuff. Any questions I had left about
his sanity are now answered. This is one sick little boy, and I love him
for it. :)
Also got the Buckethead/Brain thing, Pieces. Good stuff. I particularly
enjoy the tender little acoustic ballad for the porn star Danyel Cheeks.
Very nice. :)
The rest of the album is great, too, but I need more time to assimilate
it all. I'm not really that familiar with this kind of thing.
Off topic, but I'm sure there are some Fripp/King Crimson fans on the
list. I went 6 hours to Nashville this weekend to see ProjeKt 2. This is
Fripp on guitar, Trey Gunn on Warr Guitar, and Adrian Belew (normally
known as a guitarist) on drums.
This was some seriously twisted shit. I thouroughly enjoyed it. Quite
unlike what I'd expect from these guys, and Fripp in particular seems to
be making a concious attempt to break new ground and reinvent his
playing. Sometimes he'd play something more recognizably "Frippian", but
often he really went out into other areas. What a frigging genius this
guy is.
Gunn is an absolute monster and made some really wild noises, and
Belew's drumming-while very much "rock" oriented-was excellent, and kept
the thing grounded, which in this case, I thought was a very good thing.
They have a double CD coming out sometime soon.
One of the opening acts (I'm going to now misspell this name) was a
local Nashville band called Schvelikus (or something). I bought their
CD, and enjoyed it a lot, but they are a great live band, and I think
they would appeal to many people on this list. They only got noisy on
occasion (I met the guitarist afterwards and he said he was a Zorn fan,
though I figure he's into more "normal" stuff as well), but mostly just
had some cool funky grooves, and 2 guest sax players wailing on top of
it (the band is guitar, bass, and drums, and they apparantly have a
revolving-door thing on soloists). Good tight ensemble work as well. Not
totally outrageous, but quite excellent.
Well, thanks for reading my rambles.
Doug
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:04:03 -0500
From: ROLAND JOST <ROLAND_JOST@compuserve.com>
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #240
>Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:06:10 +0000
From: "p.rice" <gda@pingnet.li>
Subject: masada 4?
Alan E Kayser wrote:
> I own all of the Masadas except 4 and all but one of Filmworks. In
> addition I work in the jazz department of a local (Philadelphia) CD
does anyone know if masada 4 ever came out at all? i remember that my
local shop never had it. they said there'd been some sort of problem...
any info appreciated!
patRice<
it has indeed been issued - diw-923
a very short cd - 3 tracks only
midbar, mahlah and zenan - total time 18:40
i believe, there wasn't actually a problem. this cd was originally
available only in japan. you had to show proof, that you had bought all t=
he
other masada cd's (the first three) and then they'd let you buy number
four. this decision was later reversed and the cd was brought onto the op=
en
market. (so the story goes - anyway, that's what my john zorn dealer told=
me).
cheers
roland
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:08:08 -0700
From: dtapia@unoco.edu (Douglas Tapia)
Subject: Re: Johnson/Frisell/Baron/?
>>5. Marc Johnson (featuring J. Baron, B. Frisell, and Brad Jones)
>Is this different than the new Marc Johnson "The Sound Of Summer Running"
>which features Frisell, Baron & Pat Metheny? If not, what is the title of
>this recording with Brad Jones?
Can't imagine that there is another Johnson/Baron/Frisell thing out there
that NOBODY has mentioned, but if there is, COOL! (Though I doubt it, as I
walked into my local hole-in-the-wall shop that is on top of all things
jazz and asked to reserve a copy of the new Marc Johnson disk, and I wasn't
asked, "which one?" . . .For what it's worth. . .)
>"The Sound Of Summer Running" is truly an incredible album, I can't stop
>listening to it. I'd love to hear some opinions on it.
No kiddin'! Judging by the reaction of certain people on this list to
"Gone, Just Like A Train" I would hesitate to make a blanket recomendation
of this disk, but for anyone who actually digs what Frisell has been up to
as of late, (heavens knows I do) run, don't walk to your local shop!
It's as I imagined it would be in discussing this with friends: Very folk
oriented at times, with lovely, meaningful solos all around. I loved the
other Bass Desires releases, but it's nice to hear Frisell reach deep and
pull up some strikingly beautiful melodies in his improvisation. Certainly
this is nothing new for Bill, but the overall mood of "The Sound of Summer
Running" is calmer and more contemplative. Things are allowed to unfold
more slowly, and there is never the hard edge as on Resolution (this is not
to say this is good or bad, only different)
Frisell and Metheny are comming from the same angle, and I at times miss
the wrekless juxtposition of styles between Sco' and Frisell (or just
violently different interpertations of the SAME style) Too, I miss
atmospheric bits from Bill as on "Black is The Color Of My True Love's
Hair," but what are you gonna do? Listening to this more as I type, I feel
that some of this sounds like a Metheny Group disk, with Pat being pushed
in different directions (eg "Summer Running") and with an OUT drummer.
Joey IS playing a lot of time, but like Keltner, LISTEN TO HOW HE'S PLAYING
IT!!! Listen to what he leaves out, where he's putting things, how his
drums are tuned!
Yeah, pushing each other into slightly different places without hitting the
listener over the head. Slick. Subtle. Remindes me of "I Can See Your
House From Here" in concept and performance. Thanks, Marc!
>A friend and I, in anticipation of this release, were wracking our brains
>trying to figure out if this was the first collaboration between Frisell &
>Metheny. We figured that it is. Anybody?
Think so.
See ya,
Doug
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:14:21 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: cd dilema
If i could only afford one cd this month, and the choices were
tzadik Burt Bacharach thingy
Durras/Duchamp
Angelus Novus
WCTF: too close to the pole
FW VIII
which one should i take in to my merry home? The intrumentation on the
back of Durras/Duchamp looked interesting...do they all play at once, or
are they split up between the two pieces?
- -jascha
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:56:25 +0000
From: "p.rice" <gda@pingnet.li>
Subject: Re: Laswell Info
Jeff Spirer wrote:
>
>
> Miles Davis: Release date is March 10. Apparently, Sony UK has already
> released this in Europe, although they didn't bother telling Bill.
>
hi jeff!
true, the above is already out in europe. saw it in a record shop
in zurich this very afternoon!
patRice
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:02:48 -0800 (PST)
From: xander@sirius.com
Subject: Re: masada 4? & Misha Mengelberg
I saw #4 the other day at Amoeba in Berkeley. $20, same as the other
discs. I got it back when you could trade in the corners of the wrappers
of the first 3 for it, and I have to say that I think it's my favorite.
Sure, it's only 3 tracks, but it's a *very* strong 3 tracks. It's your
call if you feel like paying $1 a minute, though I could name at least one
8 minute Japanese (twisted) pop CD that I paid closer to $18 and felt the
expense was actually justified. (Citrus "Jazz the Poops," if anyone is
interested). I just keep telling myself that bad music is still no matter
how little you pay for it.
Now can anyone tell me why Misha Mengelberg's "No Idea," which was talked
about a bit last summer is impossible to find? I have yet to see it at any
of my local stores, or w/any online mailorder services? Tips?
Merci,
Alexander
.Radio Khartoum. http://www.algonet.se/~elegans/radiok/
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 98 14:03:21 -0500
From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com
Subject: Re: Laswell Info
> Jeff Spirer wrote:
> >
> >
> > Miles Davis: Release date is March 10. Apparently, Sony UK has
already
> > released this in Europe, although they didn't bother telling Bill.
It was reviewed (cautiously positive) in the January issue of The Wire.
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:12:43 EST
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: Banyan
In a message dated 98-02-24 11:11:36 EST, you write:
<< Can you tell me the label and the (approximate) release date? >>
Hey Patrice-
It was released on CyberOctave (COCD2005) in 1997 per liners. The label has a
webpage at:
<A HREF="">http://www.cyberoctave.com/</A>
Good luck
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:37:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: Free Jazz - new transfer?
On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Doug McKay wrote:
> I got Ayler's NEW YORK EYE AND EAR CONTROL. Yep. Ayler stays on my purchase
> list! I love his tone, among other things.
another tangent you might enjoy: this weekend i picked up peter
brotzmann's _die like a dog_ (fmp), which is a 70 minute tribute of
sorts to the life and music of albert ayler, featuring william parker
(bass), hamid drake (drums) and someone with the surname kondo (trumpet
and electronics).
brotzmann, who can often be a brutal tenor saxophonist, is almost melodic
in this setting and some of the interplay between him and kondo is really
inspired.
b
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:08:31 PST
From: "Joe the Shmoo" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Free Jazz - new transfer?
A Brotz disk absolutely recommended for beginners and seasoned vets
alike, IMHO. Kondo's post wired(pronounce: weird)-Miles wah trumpet and
short electronics-ridden solo are super-high points, as is Brotz's
tarogato dirge. Not as historically significant as MACHINE GUN, but
infinitely better recorded and--I believe--more satisfying musically. No
more shock value, no more pure experimentation: this is Just Music.
>On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Doug McKay wrote:
>
>> I got Ayler's NEW YORK EYE AND EAR CONTROL. Yep. Ayler stays on my
purchase
>> list! I love his tone, among other things.
>
>another tangent you might enjoy: this weekend i picked up peter
>brotzmann's _die like a dog_ (fmp), which is a 70 minute tribute of
>sorts to the life and music of albert ayler, featuring william parker
>(bass), hamid drake (drums) and someone with the surname kondo (trumpet
>and electronics).
>brotzmann, who can often be a brutal tenor saxophonist, is almost
melodic
>in this setting and some of the interplay between him and kondo is
really
>inspired.
>
>b
>
>-
>
>
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 98 15:15:24 -0500
From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com
Subject: RE: Laswell Info
> I don't recall The Wire review as cautious. I thought it got a fairly
> hearty endorsement. As I recall the general thrust was that the music
> had been refocused and given a different slant. If I remember
correctly
> the reviewer concluded with the thought that Laswell had done a worthy
> job and that Panthalassa was a welcome addition to the Miles canon.
Right. "Worthy" and "welcome". The review ended with the statement
that Miles' original releases remained the standard. That's what I
meant by "cautious". After all the controversy and anticipation and
postponements, I was really rooting for Laswell's mixes to be proclaimed
as "definitive" or "extrordinary" (so he would do more). But they ended
by sending you back to the originals.
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:27:19 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: cd dilema
>>>>> "Jascha" == ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> writes:
Jascha> If i could only afford one cd this month, and the choices
Jascha> were
Jascha> tzadik Burt Bacharach thingy
Jascha> Durras/Duchamp
Jascha> which one should i take in to my merry home? The
Jascha> intrumentation on the back of Durras/Duchamp looked
Jascha> interesting...do they all play at once, or are they split
Jascha> up between the two pieces?
I realize there's been a lot of very positive press on this list about
the Bacharach thingy, but I have to say that I hardly listen to this
at all any more. I found it mostly a novelty item, "listen to the
avant gardists playing pop music" whose novelty wore pretty thin
pretty quick. I'll probably trade it at some point.
If you have redbird, you have a good idea of what Duras sounds like.
Duchamp has a few more sudden changes of volume (enough to keep me
from playing it around my companion, who tolerates redbird and
absinthe, but not much other jz) and is a little more abstract.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:36:22 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Laswell Info
p.rice wrote:
> Jeff Spirer wrote:
> >
> >
> > Miles Davis: Release date is March 10. Apparently, Sony UK has already
> > released this in Europe, although they didn't bother telling Bill.
U.S. release date is now April 14.
Steve Smith
Flack
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:11:09 -0600
From: Rusty Crump <dmcrump@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu>
Subject: Re: cd dilema
>
>I realize there's been a lot of very positive press on this list about
>the Bacharach thingy, but I have to say that I hardly listen to this
>at all any more. I found it mostly a novelty item, "listen to the
>avant gardists playing pop music" whose novelty wore pretty thin
>pretty quick. I'll probably trade it at some point.
>
Amen to that. The Serge Gainsbourg thingy, on the other hand, is THE BOMB.
I've listened to that at home, at work, on the road... everywhere I can get
at a CD player over the last month. (That, and "The Kinks Are the Village
Green Preservation Society," hmmm...)
Rusty Crump
Oxford, Mississippi
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:41:31 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw <beuchaw@enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Laswell Info
On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, somebody said:
> > > Miles Davis: Release date is March 10. Apparently, Sony UK has already
> > > released this in Europe, although they didn't bother telling Bill.
Then Steve Smith said:
> U.S. release date is now April 14.
What the hell..... It's already out in other countries - any reason why it
keeps getting pushed back here (besides the usual impenetrable record
company logic)?
Oh well, I'll get it eventually.....
cya
brian
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"The most dementing of all modern sins: the inability to
distinguish excellence from success." - David Hare
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:44:43 -0500 (EST)
From: William York <wyork@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #241
I recently found the Steve Beresford CD "Signals for Tea" for 11 bucks new
so I got it, and I think its really good (it has zorn, d. douglas, cohen,
and wollesen as backing band. But I'm pretty sure his other stuff is
different than this- does anyone have any recommendations or think his
stuff is worth pursuing? I am also looking for recommendations
on Anthony Coleman albums, AND am wondering about Dave Douglas
"Sanctuary". I just
got Parallel Worlds and tiny bell live in europe, plus I heard Stargazer
and they're all great, esp. tiny bell trio. The Eric Lindberg album he's
on is also great.
Regarding Frisell/Metheny, I am not so big on it. I first heard Frisell
on Don Byron's "Tuskeegee Exp.", then with Naked City and other Zorn
stuff. But this Marc Johnson CD and the last Frisell CD, I don't know,
they seem pretty boring to me. Maybe I just don't get it. Help?
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:54:42 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: Laswell Info
On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Brian & Sharon Beuchaw wrote:
> What the hell..... It's already out in other countries - any reason why it
> keeps getting pushed back here (besides the usual impenetrable record
> company logic)?
this may not be the reason, but
i've noticed these days big label
distribution organizations expect
to receive a release schedule
three months in advance or
something like that. at least,
that's the way ADA works. and i'm
pretty certain Koch does the same
ding dang thing too. if as the
record label, you don't have a
slam-dunk release ready in the
can, then you miss your window
of opportunity to ship until the
next cycle.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:15:57 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Frisell help
>>>>> "William" == William York <wyork@email.unc.edu> writes:
William> Regarding Frisell/Metheny, I am not so big on it. I
William> first heard Frisell on Don Byron's "Tuskeegee Exp.", then
William> with Naked City and other Zorn stuff. But this Marc
William> Johnson CD and the last Frisell CD, I don't know, they
William> seem pretty boring to me. Maybe I just don't get
William> it. Help?
http://www.nwu.edu/wnur/jazz/artists/frisell.bill/discog.txt is an
excellent if somewhat obsolete (dated March 1993) annotated
discography by Matt Wright. Matt recommends the albums Where in the
World and Have a Little Faith most highly, and I have to second these
recommendations. Faith in particular is all covers, including Madonna
and Dylan. These albums are more complex than Nashville, and although
I haven't heard the new one yet, I get the impression that he's
simplifying his style (not necessarily a bad thing) in recent works.
Frisell has a home page at
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/2251/frisell.html with some
additional links and info.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
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