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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #239
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Zorn List Digest Sunday, February 22 1998 Volume 02 : Number 239
In this issue:
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Re: masada sounds like?
Re: masada sounds like?
Re: masada sounds like?
Re: masada sounds like?
Re: masada sounds like?
Theremin documentary
Re: Theremin documentary
Re: masada sounds like?
Re: Bobby Previte, and a Thomas Chapin memorial
Re: 2 recent releases with O'Rourke
evan parker + electronics
Re: Silent Movie music
Re: Mellow Masada
Re: masada sounds like?
3-CD improv quatet thingy
Re: 3-CD improv quatet thingy
Re: masada sounds like?
Boredoms song
Re: Boredoms song
AMM
Pierre Boulez
Re: AMM
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:26:46 -0800
From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: masada sounds like?
Masada = Klezmer/Ornette Coleman
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:07:37 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: masada sounds like?
>>>>> "louie" == louie <louie@gwtc.net> writes:
louie> but i've never bought any masada! what would best describe
louie> their sound? i've got filmworks 3, and the first few
louie> tracks are what as described as what was to become
louie> masada. would those tracks be an accurate description of
louie> their sound in general? (any comparisons at all to naked
louie> city or painkiller? could they be described as heavy,
louie> mellow, experimental, free jazz...?) thanks in advance! i
louie> enjoy the list...
I've only got one masada album, and I don't have fw3, but the masada
album I have is fairly straight (for jz) acoustic hard bop, trumpet +
sax + bass + drums, much less experimental than almost everything else
in his output. However, I would highly recommend the 2cd set Bar
Kokhba, which is masada tunes played by a variety of smallish
ensembles.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:21:48 -0500
From: "Andy Marks" <Andy.Marks@mts.com>
Subject: Re: masada sounds like?
> I've only got one masada album, and I don't have fw3, but the masada
> album I have is fairly straight (for jz) acoustic hard bop, trumpet +
> sax + bass + drums, much less experimental than almost everything else
> in his output. However, I would highly recommend the 2cd set Bar
> Kokhba, which is masada tunes played by a variety of smallish
> ensembles.
I'll second this. I own1,2,3 and Bar Kokhba and i listen to
Bar Kokhba more often than the others. I think the variety
appeals to me more as opposed to the regular Masada
discs.
- -
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:25:55 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: masada sounds like?
On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Caleb Deupree wrote:
> I've only got one masada album, and I don't have fw3, but the masada
> album I have is fairly straight (for jz) acoustic hard bop, trumpet +
> sax + bass + drums, much less experimental than almost everything else
> in his output. However, I would highly recommend the 2cd set Bar
> Kokhba, which is masada tunes played by a variety of smallish
> ensembles.
I'd also strongly recommend the new Filmworks VIII. It's mostly Masada
material played by the string trio plus (on different pieces) Mark Ribot,
Anthony Coleman, and Min Xiao-Fen. It's, if anything, even more
"accessible" than Bar Kokhba.
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:36:28 -0500
From: "Chris Barre{t" <cbarrett@neaq.org>
Subject: Re: masada sounds like?
At 11:21 AM 2/20/98, Andy Marks wrote:
>> I've only got one masada album, and I don't have fw3, but the masada
>> album I have is fairly straight (for jz) acoustic hard bop, trumpet +
>> sax + bass + drums, much less experimental than almost everything else
>> in his output. However, I would highly recommend the 2cd set Bar
>> Kokhba, which is masada tunes played by a variety of smallish
>> ensembles.
>
>I'll second this. I own1,2,3 and Bar Kokhba and i listen to
>Bar Kokhba more often than the others. I think the variety
>appeals to me more as opposed to the regular Masada
>discs.
>
>-
I have Masada(s) 1,2,3,5 & 8 and Bar Kokhba and while I like both, I have
to say I prefer the Masadas. Both 1 and 2 are a good place to start. The
Klezmer/Bebop description someone mentioned I think is pretty on. I think
the Masada compositions tend to cook more than Bar Kokhba. Plus, the
textures that Joey Baron gets from his drumming are alone worth the Masada
price of admission alone.
- -Chris
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:35:52 -0600
From: Joseph Koehl <dgooge@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Theremin documentary
Where can I rent (if possible) the Theremin documentary? Is it available
at independent film stores or do you have to order it?
Thanks alot,
Joseph Koehl
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:22:53 -0500 (EST)
From: ak515@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Polak)
Subject: Re: Theremin documentary
Reply to message from dgooge@mail.utexas.edu of Fri, 20 Feb
>
>Where can I rent (if possible) the Theremin documentary? Is it available
>at independent film stores or do you have to order it?
I bought a copy at Best Buy of all places. It has a list price of only
$19.99 and can be ordered by mose decent video / music stores.
- --
"Reality is too harsh. Imagination makes everything nice. Use your
imagination to get out of the most drab places by simply holding on
to the imagination and making it real." - Sun Ra
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:15:34 -0500
From: Alan E Kayser <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: Re: masada sounds like?
Caleb Deupree wrote:
> >>>>> "louie" == louie <louie@gwtc.net> writes:
>
> but i've never bought any masada! what would best describe
> their sound?
I own all of the Masadas except 4 and all but one of Filmworks. In
addition I work in the jazz department of a local (Philadelphia) CD
store. When people inquire into Zorn/Masada, I reply with "If Ornette
Coleman was Jewish, the result would be Masada." To me that describes
it pretty well. Or maybe Zorn is the Jewish Ornette. I'm sure Dave
would be flattered to be compared to Cherry, Cohen likewise to Haden,
and Baron to Higgins/Blackwell. Interestingly, Ornette also has a few
filmscores, writes "classical" pieces, has acoustic and electric groups,
and has his Harmolodic label which issues new music and older material.
I'm sure if I thought about this more that there would be more
parallels. Anybody else got some?
Alan
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 00:46:14 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Bobby Previte, and a Thomas Chapin memorial
Alan E Kayser wrote:
> I mention
> these as good places to find Bobby as a sideman.
One other record I'd like to mention for the masses is "The Fuchsia" by the
Peggy Stern-Thomas Chapin Quartet. Just an outstanding straightahead
"inside" jazz date with Bobby showing nothing but taste. The tunes are fine
(one by Bobby, one by Thomas and the rest by Stern), the playing immenently
tasteful, Stern is a nice discovery (she's played a lot with Lee Konitz
lately), Drew Gress is the bassist, and Thomas is, well, Thomas, God bless
him.
Speaking of Chapin, what would have been the third in a series of
fundraisers for him has now sadly become a memorial. Chapin's trio mates,
Mario Pavone and Mike Sarin, will still be at the Knitting Factory on
Sunday, March 1 to play through the pieces from Thomas's last album, "Sky
Piece," but now the saxophone parts are to be supplied by Marty Ehrlich, Ned
Rothenberg and our very own titular patron saint. (Hmmm, maybe saint's not
exactly the right word, but you follow my meaning...) It should be a fine
way for us to work through the grief that I know has certainly been
widespread around these parts, especially for those who can't make it to his
memorial in Connecticut later today (Saturday the 21st).
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 01:47:38 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: 2 recent releases with O'Rourke
Jan-Wen Lu wrote:
>
> There's a great new disc with Jim O'Rourke and Gunter Muller on For 4
> Ears. Titled "Weighting".
How does this compare to 'Slow Motion'???
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 13:23:36 PST
From: "Joe the Shmoo" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: evan parker + electronics
A Helio-hello:
Haven't heard this mentioned yet, for those who don't know...
Evan parker Electoacoustic Project album TOWARD THE MARGINS is finally
available in the States! And it's not expensive! All bow down before
the majesty of labrynthine creativity (whatever its form).
Evan Parker, soprano saxophone, gong; Barry Guy, double bass...damn!;
Paul Lytton, percussion, live electronics; Philipp Wachsmann, violin,
viola, live electronics, sound processing; Walter Prati, live
electronics, sound processing; Marco Vecchi, live electronics, sound
processing.
1.Toward the margins (04.31)
2.Turbulent mirror (05.51)
3.Field and figure (07.06)
4.The regenerative landscape [for AMM] (03.34)
5.Chain of chance (04.19)
6.Trahⁿtten (06.17)
7.Shadow without an object: (i) Engagement (ii) Reversal (iii)
Displacement (06.00)
8.Epanados (04.27)
9.Born cross-eyed [remembering Fuller] (02.49)
10.Philipp's pavilion (07.32)
11.The hundred books [for Idries Shah] (04.09)
12.Contra-dance (03.38)
Recorded May 1996 at Gateway Studios, London.
Damn this stuff is cool! Many of you probably OWN the damn thing by now,
but if for some reason any of you have not heard Parker's music (or any
of these musicians' music) yet, I'm sorry but I can't help my
prosyletizing! Essential Parker that I've HEARD (my collection's still
not very large)--and by ESSENTIAL I actually mean, "good places into his
soundworld"--might be:
1. 50th Birthday Concert (leo)
2. Schlippenbach Trio: ELF BAGATELLEN (FMP)--for everchanging unstable
sound environments; or PHYSICS (FMP)--for hardcore
high-interaction free improvisation w/moments of bizarre
intensity.
3.Parker/Guy/Lytton: BREATHS AND HEARTBEATS
4.Parker: CHICAGO SOLO (okka)--a gentler but equally-interesting
Parker, IMHO
Check out the Parker page on European Improv! Props to Patrice for the
great discog. This man is basically as prolific as Zorn or Braxton, but
much less self-promotional. YOU CAN'T AFFORD EVERYTHING from the last
10 years.
Happy mardi Gras everybody
KSH
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 21:51:19 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: Silent Movie music
Mark Dresser did 'the cabinet of dr. caligary' for KF's 'loud music,
silent film' fest and released the music on CD. I've only heard one of
the tracks from it, but it sounds pretty cool and i'd like to hear the
whole thing. Does anyone have this?
- -jascha
On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 QUESOMALO@aol.com wrote:
>
> Can anyone recommend any CDs of music composed for silent movies. I
> have Frisell's Buster Keaton discs, which I love. Is any of Zorn's film music
> for silent film?
> -Nick
>
> -
>
- -
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 21:53:06 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: Mellow Masada
i'm a little cooler about 5 than 7, which i think is amazing.
haven't heard 8 or 9 yet...
- -jascha
> Along the lines of recent posting asking for recommendations, I'd like to
> say that I love one through four as well as six. What I particularly like are
> the slower cuts (Zorn is awesome in high gear - I am Not looking for Masada
> Lite...) Any recommendations for Masada 5 or 7+ (how many are there
> now?) in low gear?
>
> Bob
>
> -
>
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:03:13 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: masada sounds like?
> I'd also strongly recommend the new Filmworks VIII. It's mostly Masada
> material played by the string trio plus (on different pieces) Mark Ribot,
> Anthony Coleman, and Min Xiao-Fen. It's, if anything, even more
> "accessible" than Bar Kokhba.
This is out already??
- -jascha
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:11:23 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: 3-CD improv quatet thingy
I saw a 3CD set by Bailey/Metheny/Wetrtico(?)/Someotherguy the other
day... I remember some buzzing about this when it came out a while ago,
but i forget if it was positive or not. Any thoughts on these discs?
- -jascha
- -
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 00:26:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: 3-CD improv quatet thingy
On Sat, 21 Feb 1998, ia zha nah er vesen wrote:
>
> I saw a 3CD set by Bailey/Metheny/Wetrtico(?)/Someotherguy the other
> day... I remember some buzzing about this when it came out a while ago,
> but i forget if it was positive or not. Any thoughts on these discs?
Interesting but uneven. In my opinion, Metheny sometimes tends to go for
big, obvious gestures (often very effects-laden) that just bowl over the
details that typically make Bailey's work so interesting. But this brings
out some interesting responses from Bailey, and it's certainly different
from other contexts I've heard him in. Disc 1 verges on energy music at
times. I'd hesitate to recommend this at a 3CD prices, but it's going for
so cheap, I'd say it's worth it if you're a Bailey fan. (The preceding is
my view, but it's pretty consistent with my sense of the consensus when
this came up earlier. I'm sure anyone who disagrees will chime in.)
Chris Hamilton
- -
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 01:34:38 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: masada sounds like?
ia zha nah er vesen wrote:
>
> > I'd also strongly recommend the new Filmworks VIII. It's mostly Masada
> > material played by the string trio plus (on different pieces) Mark Ribot,
> > Anthony Coleman, and Min Xiao-Fen. It's, if anything, even more
> > "accessible" than Bar Kokhba.
>
> This is out already??
Yup, it was released in the States last Tuesday. It took another two
days for it to show up in the local Tower. (I know: I was there
repeatedly looking for it...)
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 01:14:29 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Boredoms song
I heard one song by the Boredoms on the radio, I believe it was called
"Shock City". Can anyone tell me what album this comes from? Any
suggestions/recommendations on their work are also very welcome.
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 09:30:41 -0500
From: Steve Dolphyn <sdolphyn@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Boredoms song
Julian wrote:
>
> I heard one song by the Boredoms on the radio, I believe it was called
> "Shock City". Can anyone tell me what album this comes from? Any
> suggestions/recommendations on their work are also very welcome.
>
That would be off "Chocolate Synthesizer" from 1994.
Steve Dolphyn
sdolphyn@ibm.net
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 12:53:48 PST
From: "Joe the Shmoo" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: AMM
Hello:
I'm sure we could find a vague connection between AMM and this list, but
till then I'll take a chance and ask: can anyone give this record freak
some recommendations for a few great AMM records to start with? "Taste"
is not my preoccupation, really; just want some new experiences.
Descriptions, insofar as they are possible, would be helpful. Thanks
muchas.
P.S. What does AMM stand for?
KSH
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:48:15
From: Jesse Simon <umsimo10@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Pierre Boulez
The Zorn list is undoubtedly the most literate list i've ever been a part
of. So I hope you don't mind me prevailing on you all for info about
something which may not exist and has a very tenuous relation to Zorn.
I was wondering if anyone knows anything about books about music theory
written by Pierre Boulez. Ive been devouring books about music lately and
was thinking it would be interesting to read something about this
increasingly interesting figure of 20th century music.
Thanks in advance,
Jesse
np: Four Last Songs by Richard Strauss (sung by E. Schwartzkopf)
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:15:09 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: AMM
<<Hello:
I'm sure we could find a vague connection between AMM and this list, but
till then I'll take a chance and ask: can anyone give this record freak
some recommendations for a few great AMM records to start with? "Taste"
is not my preoccupation, really; just want some new experiences.
Descriptions, insofar as they are possible, would be helpful. Thanks
muchas.
P.S. What does AMM stand for?>>
For background on the band, check out their page on Peter Stubley's superb
European Free Improvisation site at
http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/mamm.html
and for some capsule descriptions of the individual records, do a search on
the Forced Exposure site at www.fe.org.
What would I recommend for starters?
To me, they're all essential to different degrees. I tend to lend different
people different ones to start, depending on their listening backgound. For
people more into avant classical (especially Dumitrescu), The Inexhaustible
Document, from 1987, includes cellist Rohan de Saram of the Arditti Quartet in
addition to the regular trio. For fans of "out" jazz, The Nameless Uncarved
Block (1990) features Lou Gare on tenor sax along with the core group. Merzbow
fans might want to start with The Crypt (1968), which at times transforms into
a stunning wall of noise. Newfoundland and Live In Allentown tend more towards
the quietly hypnotic, and are also among my favorites.
My experience with AMM has been that their records have a cumulative effect:
each one is another small window into a body of work that's been going on for
more than thirty years. The more of them you've heard, the better you
understand the underlying concept and the more pleasure you derive from the
experience. Sometimes, it takes 10 or 15 listens for one to connect with you
intensely; with others, the first listen blows you away.
I try not to casually toss around too many superlatives but, to my ears, AMM
represent the pinnacle of free improvisation in its purest strain.
Yeah, I like 'em.
Jon
P.S. I'm pretty sure that AMM doesn't stand for anything but feel free to
correct me if I'm wrong about that.
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