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Zorn List Digest Friday, February 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 238
In this issue:
-
Andy Statman
Re: Silent Movie music
Re: Silent Movie music
Mellow Masada
2 recent releases with O'Rourke
Re: Bobby Previte
Shamisen
Re: Silent Movie music
[none]
Re: Silent Movie music
sorry
Re: Bobby Previte
Re: Andy Statman
theremin
Re: 2 recent releases with O'Rourke
Re: Bobby Previte
Re: Bobby Previte
Re: leon theremin
masada sounds like?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:25:33 -0800
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@IDT.NET>
Subject: Andy Statman
Caught Mr. Statman at the Knit last night, the first time I've heard him
leading his own band (I'm late, I know). I was very impressed and
pleasantly surprised at how free his playing and group conception were.
It often sounded like a rabbinical take on late-period Coltrane, other
times very reminiscent of the Jarrett/Redman/Haden/Motian band of the
early 70's (that is, um, if Redman had been playing
cantillation-inspired clarinet...). The band sometimes seemed to lose
its place during some of the quieter free improv (I can't be the only
one who cringes when, during such sections, the pianist, as if under
moral obligation, reaches for the piano strings, the bassist begins to
play below the bridge and the drummer starts casting around for small
percussion to jingle. Cliches turn up in the darnedest places), but
Statman was strong throughout, davening (sp.?) with wonderful intensity,
sticking to clarinet almost entirely, only picking up the mandolin for a
short segment towards the end (also playing that instrument quite
beautifully).
So, my question: Which Statman recordings do you folks recommend? Any
favorites would be appreciated, but I'm particularly interested in
releases which might sound similar to the quartet's approach last
evening.
Side question: How come he's never teamed up with JZ? Or has he? Seems
like a natural affinity.
Thanks.
Brian Olewnick
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:00:53 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Silent Movie music
On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:46:07 EST QUESOMALO@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Can anyone recommend any CDs of music composed for silent movies. I
> have Frisell's Buster Keaton discs, which I love. Is any of Zorn's film music
> for silent film?
He used ELEGY as music for a silent movie.
Talking about music for silent movie, does anybody know (Steve, how do you know
that I am thinking of you :-) about the following records:
*** - THE GOLEM: Gary Lucas
1996 - Knitting Factory Works (USA), KFW-1001+ (HDCD)
*** - SUNRISE: Anthony Coleman
1996 - Knitting Factory Works (USA), KFW-1002+ (HDCD)
*** - UN CHIEN ANDALOU: Mark Dresser
1997 - Knitting Factory Works (USA), ??? (CD)
*** - KOKO THE CLOWN (?): Samm Bennett
1996 - Knitting Factory Works (USA), KFW-??? (??)
Announced a long time ago and still not released.
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:54:54 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: Silent Movie music
this seems like a good time to ask...
I saw the movie "Chronopolis" the other night which is fascinating
animated/claymated silent movie (aside from a five minute narration in
French without subtitles) with music by musique concrete great Luc
Ferrari. Is there a soundtrack available for this??
I recommend everyone see "Chronopolis" as well as the pretty disturbing
"L'Ange" which I saw the same night.
-Tom Pratt
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:32:54 -0500
From: Bob Kowalski <BKowalski@genetics.com>
Subject: Mellow Masada
Along the lines of recent posting asking for recommendations, I'd like to
say that I love one through four as well as six. What I particularly like are
the slower cuts (Zorn is awesome in high gear - I am Not looking for Masada
Lite...) Any recommendations for Masada 5 or 7+ (how many are there
now?) in low gear?
Bob
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:51:32 -0500
From: "David J. Keffer" <keffer@shell.planetc.com>
Subject: 2 recent releases with O'Rourke
Hello Folks on the Zorn list,
Recently there has been some talk about the new releases
on the label, Les Disques Victo. Well, I have been=20
listening to "Clouds" by Lee Ranaldo (guitar, spoken word),
William Hooker (percussion and voice), Jim O'Rourke (organ),
and Gianni Gebbia (sax) on Victo (VICTOcd054, recorded
live at the festival international de musique actuelle
de Victoriaville, May 19, 1997) and I thought I would submit
a review. The performance, to my ear, is a mixture of
improvisation and composed music. It's got a free music
feel but it's neither wandering nor is it abrasive or difficult.
It's got an energetic sound due both to the fact that
it's live and also due to the percussion. In short,
it's pretty great. If I compare it to a Zorn release,
it's in the same vein as the sax/guitar/bass trio on Harras
with Zorn/Bailey/Parker but with spacier guitar, more rhythm,
and less agitation.=20
The victo website is at http://www.login.net/cdcbf/DisquesVicto/=20
I've also been listening to last year's "table chair and hatstand"
featuring Gunter M=FCller, Jim O'Rourke, and Voice Crack on the Swiss
label, For 4 Ears, cd820, 1997. This is a totally different=20
creature than the above record. It's a recording of small sounds
(mostly), buzzes, typewriter rappings, and electronic clickings,
with O'Rourke on guitar. As I hear it, it's a kind of recording=20
for the attentive ear and it, too, is pretty great. As the title
suggests, it's an arrangement of ambient, aural furniture; while you=20
move around the room with the disc playing, the furniture changes
positions behind your back.
David K.
=09
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:51:22 -0500
From: Alan E Kayser <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Bobby Previte
Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:17:21 -0500 (EST) ia zha nah er vesen wrote:
> >
> >
> > I just got the Zorn/Previte duo disc Euclid's Nightmare.
> >
> > The disc is cool. I want more.
> >
> > Any recommendations for which Previte albums to hear first?
>
> The answer is easy:
>
> 032 - CLAUDE'S LATE MORNING: Bobby Previte
> 1995 - Gramavision (USA), R2 79448 (CD)
> 040 - EMPTY SUITS: Bobby Previte
> 1995 - Gramavision (USA), GCD 79447 (CD)
> 054 - WEATHER CLEAR, TRACK FAST: Bobby Previte
> 1991 - Enja Records, ENJ 6082 (CD)
> 090 - TOO CLOSE TO THE POLE: Weather Clear, Fast Track
> 1996 - Enja (Germany), ENJ-9306 2 (CD)
>
> Any of these is fabulous. Great and original compositions, amazing
> punch,
> great playing. Get TOO CLOSE TO THE POLE first (should be the easiest
> to
> find), and if you like it, you can safely buy the others.
>
> Bobby has a new one:
>
> 094 - MY MAN IN SYDNEY: Bobby Previte's Latin for Travelers
> 1997 - Enja (Germany), ENJ-9348 2 (CD)
>
> but I have not listened to it enough to advise it (although I am
> pretty
> sure that it should be number five on the above list).
>
> Patrice.
>
I agree that Too Close to the Pole is a great place to start. I've been
a Previte fan for quite a while, and think that it's his best so far.
My Man From Sydney is a different bag altogether. I've seen Latin for
Travelers a couple of times live, and can attest to Bobby's statement
that it's his garage band. His fine composing for horns is absent from
this new band, and truth be told I do miss it. That's not to say that
Latin isn't terrific, just different. Any of the Weather Clear Track
Fast on Enja will please jazz fans. The Gramavisison are a bit more in
a fusion-world beat-rock style, though again quite good. Claude is the
best of the Gramavisions, though Music for the Moscow Circus is a
favorite of mine. Also look for some fine work from Bobby on Tim
Berne's two Caos Totale cds on JMT, if you can find them. And of course
for Zorn folks there's Voodoo, some Filmworks, and the HatArt Cobra.
BTW, anyone out there have some Previte live stuff to trade?
Alan
> -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:30:19 EST
From: gsg@juno.com (Geoff S Gersh)
Subject: Shamisen
hello....
can anyone here give me any info. on where to purchase a shamisen in the
NY area?? or anyplace in the country that imports them??
I was told by someone that they can cost as much as $10,000.....which i
can't believe, is this true??
any help is greatly appreciated...email me privately
Geoff Gersh
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- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:24:20 -0000
From: "allen j huotari" <zmasada@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Silent Movie music
> Can anyone recommend any CDs of music composed for silent movies. I
>have Frisell's Buster Keaton discs, which I love. Is any of Zorn's film
music
>for silent film?
>-Nick
Art Zoyd (a band not a person) has released a couple of extraordinary discs
of music to accompany the FW Murnau films FAUST (cat. no. Atonal ACD 3021,
rec. in 94-95) and NOSFERATU (Ear-Rational ECD 1008, rec. in 88-89)
Art Zoyd on these recordings are a quartet and are perhaps best described as
an electric/electronic chamber ensemble
the instrumentation on FAUST is primarily keyboards, samplers, and
percussion with some bass and cello,
the instrumentation for NOSFERATU is similar to that for FAUST but includes
significantly more acoustically created sounds (from piano, violin, viola,
and alto sax)
the sound on these discs is dark, stark, and chilling but is nevertheless
quite rhythmically compelling (perhaps in the same way that Stravinsky is
rhythmically compelling...rebuttals anyone?)
oh yeah, their latest disc, HAXAN is also accompaniment to a silent film
(but I haven't heard this one so I won't comment)
ajh
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 15:22:12 -0300
From: Gabriel Lichtmann <licht@bancaria.com.ar>
Subject: [none]
Hi! I'm new to the John Zorn Mailing List (although not new to the
man's music, of which I've been an admirer since 1992). A friend of mine
who has just been to New York (I live in Buenos Aires, Argentina) saw a
performance by the New York Philarmonic Orchestra of a Zorn percussion work
comissioned for the orchestra's twentieth anniversary, =BFdo you know
anything about this work? Also I would appreciate if somoene gave me
information on Kletka Red, who put out a record, "Hijacking", on Tzadik
last year; I really love that c.d, =BFdo they have any other records
available?=BFare they still playing together?.
That's all for now, gracias y hasta pronto.
=20
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:19:19 -0600
From: "Glenn Astarita" <gastarit@comm.net>
Subject: Re: Silent Movie music
- ----------
> From: allen j huotari re: Art Zoyd>
> oh yeah, their latest disc, HAXAN is also accompaniment to a silent film
> (but I haven't heard this one so I won't comment)
>
>
> ajh
>
> You are correct about Haxan ! Especially since you are one who introduced
me to Art Zoyd a few years back........
glenn>
>
>
>
> -
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:03:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeff Gretz <KGGF@grove.iup.edu>
Subject: sorry
i'm stupid. ignore that.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:08:06 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Bobby Previte
Now that Patrice and Alan have limned the best places to start for Bobby's
music, I would also add that if you can find them, there are three very
special discs on Sound Aspects: "Nine Below Zero," "Todos Santos" and
"Larks, They Crazy." All three include Butch Morris and Wayne Horvitz; the
first is just the trio and is a marvel of electro-acoustic delicacy and
beauty, while the latter two add additional musicians such as Doug
Wieselman, Bill Frisell and Robin Holcomb and are comprised completely of
Holcomb's knotty instrumental compositions.
There's also a trio on Soul Note featuring Wayne and Bobby with William
Parker, which I've not heard. Any thoughts?
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:15:58 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Andy Statman
Brian Olewnick wrote:
> So, my question: Which Statman recordings do you folks recommend? Any
> favorites would be appreciated, but I'm particularly interested in
> releases which might sound similar to the quartet's approach last
> evening.
While I don't remember it being as free at any point as what you describe,
there was a release on Shanachie last year that drew praise from many.
Think it was called "Between Heaven and Earth."
More info and sound clips at
http://www.shanachie.com/Artists/AndyStatmanQuart/AndyStatmanQuart.htm
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:17:01 +0100 (MEZ)
From: BJOERN <bjoern.eichstaedt@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
Subject: theremin
tanks for this link to www.nashville.net/~theremin
just had to realize thatLydia Kavina played in my small city in germany
last november...
dammit
BJOERN
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:25:01 +0800
From: Jan-Wen Lu <janwenlu@top2.ficnet.net.tw>
Subject: Re: 2 recent releases with O'Rourke
> Hello Folks on the Zorn list,
>
> Recently there has been some talk about the new releases
> on the label, Les Disques Victo. Well, I have been
> listening to "Clouds" by Lee Ranaldo (guitar, spoken word),
> William Hooker (percussion and voice), Jim O'Rourke (organ),
> and Gianni Gebbia (sax) on Victo (VICTOcd054, recorded
> live at the festival international de musique actuelle
> de Victoriaville, May 19, 1997) and I thought I would submit
> a review. The performance, to my ear, is a mixture of
> improvisation and composed music. It's got a free music
> feel but it's neither wandering nor is it abrasive or difficult.
> It's got an energetic sound due both to the fact that
> it's live and also due to the percussion. In short,
> it's pretty great. If I compare it to a Zorn release,
> it's in the same vein as the sax/guitar/bass trio on Harras
> with Zorn/Bailey/Parker but with spacier guitar, more rhythm,
> and less agitation.
> The victo website is at http://www.login.net/cdcbf/DisquesVicto/
>
> I've also been listening to last year's "table chair and hatstand"
> featuring Gunter M=FCller, Jim O'Rourke, and Voice Crack on the Swiss
> label, For 4 Ears, cd820, 1997. This is a totally different
> creature than the above record. It's a recording of small sounds
> (mostly), buzzes, typewriter rappings, and electronic clickings,
> with O'Rourke on guitar. As I hear it, it's a kind of recording
> for the attentive ear and it, too, is pretty great. As the title
> suggests, it's an arrangement of ambient, aural furniture; while you
> move around the room with the disc playing, the furniture changes
> positions behind your back.
>
> David K.
>
>
> -
There's a great new disc with Jim O'Rourke and Gunter Muller on For 4
Ears. Titled "Weighting".
Jan-Wen Lu
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 05:32:03 -0600
From: "Glenn Astarita" <gastarit@comm.net>
Subject: Re: Bobby Previte
- ----------
> >
> There's also a trio on Soul Note featuring Wayne and Bobby with William
> Parker, which I've not heard. Any thoughts?
>
> Steve Smith
> ssmith36@sprynet.com
>
>
> -Haven't heard the above cause i can't find it anywhere..............I'll
add to the Previte thread: He recorded a trio cd with Tom VArner and Mike
Richmond which is outstanding...A late 80's release but i don't have the cd
title handy, i can get it...........Also, wasn't Previte the drummer on
"The President" cd ? with Horvitz, Sharp, Tronzo and Wieselman ?
...........(i don't have these in front of me at the moment
glenn
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:32:02 -0500
From: Alan E Kayser <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Bobby Previte
Glenn Astarita wrote:
> ----------
> > >
> > There's also a trio on Soul Note featuring Wayne and Bobby with
> William
> > Parker, which I've not heard. Any thoughts?
> >
> > Steve Smith
> >>
> > -Haven't heard the above cause i can't find it
> anywhere..............I'll
> add to the Previte thread: He recorded a trio cd with Tom VArner and
> Mike
> Richmond which is outstanding...A late 80's release but i don't have
> the cd
> title handy, i can get it...........Also, wasn't Previte the drummer
> on
> "The President" cd ? with Horvitz, Sharp, Tronzo and Wieselman ?
> ...........(i don't have these in front of me at the moment
>
> glenn
Yes, Bobby did play on "Bring Yr Camera" and had one composition
credit. He is also on Corporate Art with Christy Doran and Jerome
Harris' fine cd "Hidden in Plain View." Then there's Hal Willner's
"Lost in the Stars" and the Mingus tribute "Weird Nightmare." I mention
these as good places to find Bobby as a sideman.
Alan
>
>
> -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:17:17 -0600 (CST)
From: "Robert A. Pleshar" <rpleshar@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: leon theremin
At 05:46 PM 2/19/98 EST, QUESOMALO@aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 98-02-19 14:43:39 EST, you write:
>
><< Apparently, she
> was the first (and possibly only) virtuoso Theremin player. there are many
> scenes of her playing classical pieces on the Theremin. If you haven't
> seen it, it's a pretty interesting film. >>
>
> Her name was Clara Rockmore. She released an album in 1987 on Delos called
>"The Art of the Theremin". It isn't of performances with full orchestra as in
>the documentary, just theremin and piano. Still, it's quite impressive what
>she can do with the instrument.
I'm pretty sure this abum was from the 1960s or maybe early 70s. Anyway, It
is great and an impressive document to the difficulty of theremin playing.
> The current cream of the theremin crop is a woman named Lyda
>Kadvina(sp?). I believe that she is Theremin's cousin. I'm not sure if she
>has any albums out but she has made an instructional video called "Mastering
>the Theremin". She performs a couple of very interesting original
>compositions for theremin. It came with my build your own theremin kit...
>a fascinating and difficult instrument
I believe she is Mr. Theremin's niece.
Just adding to the confusion,
Ralph
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:03:22 -0700
From: louie <louie@gwtc.net>
Subject: masada sounds like?
i've been a fan of zorn since i noticed his name as producer for mr.
bungle #1 (how many times have you heard that?) and i've been
addicted/intrigued/disappointed/repulsed/dazzled/freaked out by this guy
ever since. i own at least 25 cd's of his stuff or at least that he has
produced or has his hand in.
but i've never bought any masada! what would best describe their sound?
i've got filmworks 3, and the first few tracks are what as described as
what was to become masada. would those tracks be an accurate description
of their sound in general? (any comparisons at all to naked city or
painkiller? could they be described as heavy, mellow, experimental, free
jazz...?)
thanks in advance! i enjoy the list...
- -louie :^I
- -
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