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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #235
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Zorn List Digest Monday, February 16 1998 Volume 02 : Number 235
In this issue:
-
Re: Gainsbourg
Re: Albert Ayler (and books, too!)
Re: Circle Maker
Me and Val Wilmer
Spy Vs. Spy
Altschul
Re: Rectangle Label (Was Re: akchote)
Re: Altschul
Re: DRUM N BASS N JUNGLE
Leng Tch'e
FW: Re:Albert Ayler (and books, too!)
Frith, Masaoka & Ochs
Re: selling vinyl Big Gundown
Angelus Novus
Re: selling vinyl Big Gundown
Re: selling vinyl Big Gundown
new David Shea
Sky Piece
Re: selling vinyl Big Gundown
Re: new David Shea
Re: new David Shea
Re: new David Shea
Re: Frith, Masaoka & Ochs
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:42:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Gainsbourg
On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Nuno BARREIRO wrote:
> But, in 1958, when
> he played the guitar and the piano at the Milord d'Arsouville (where he has
> been sideman of Boris Vian, amongst others), he would often present himself in
> a most provocative way: "Bonsoir, je suis le gigolo youpin!" Perhaps you
> don't know it, but, in french, the word "youpin" is to "jew" what, in english,
> the word "nigger" is to "black"... This clearly shows the relation he had
> to his jewishness!
Does it? The anecdote suggests that it was ambiguous, important to his
art (at least in 1958), and requiring careful interrogation. Herb was (I
think) suggesting that the point of labelling Gainsbourg's work "Great
Jewish Music" is to prompt such interrogation. This anecdote seems to
reinforce that point, not undermine it as you suggest.
Chris Hamilton
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:02:28 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Albert Ayler (and books, too!)
John Howard wrote:
> >The book is "As serious As Your Life" by Valerie Wilmer.
> >
> >Rich
>
> There is also a comprehensive book sized Ayler bio at:
> http://ernie.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/ayler.html
True, and I linked to that from my Ronald Shannon Jackson discog on the
Jazzweb. However, it's important to note that Val Wilmer in a recent issue
of Coda claimed that the essay was largely lifted without attribution from
"As Serious..."
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:09:07 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Circle Maker
Julian wrote:
> I've just been doing some quite random searching, and came across a
> soon-to-be released double cd by Zorn called "Circle Maker", apparently on
> Tzadik. I had never heard of this before... anyone?
To be released the third Tuesday in March. First disc is Masada String Trio
(Feldman, Friedlander, Cohen). Second disc is the Bar Kokhba Sextet (the
string trio plus Ribot, Baron and Baptista). Tracks are as follows:Tahah /
Sippur / Karet / Hadashah / Taharah / Mispar / Ratzah / Zebdi / Yatzar /
Malkhut / Hodaah / Elilah / Meholadot / Kochot / Lachish / Shidim / Aravot /
Moshav / Lilin / Hazor / Kisofim / Khebar / Laylah / Teli / Tevel / Eitan /
Ner Tamid / Idalah-Abal / Gevurah
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
>
>
> -
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:40:16 -0500
From: Jeff Schwartz <jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
Subject: Me and Val Wilmer
Ms. Wilmer was fully footnoted in my book. I am now
switching it to parenthetical citations instead of
endnotes which will make my use of previously published
material even clearer.
This situation has been resolved (as near as I can tell)
to everyone's satisfaction in letters between Wilmer, Bill
Smith of Coda, and me. It's a drag that Coda let her dog
me out before we all had a chance to talk, but it's all ok
now.
Meanwhile, a cat in Cleveland is spending a lot of time
with the Ayler family (mostly Albert's dad and brother)
and will likely be putting out the definitive book on the
topic.
Peter Niklas Wilson's Ayler bio will appear in English
translation later this year, and Myles Boisen (Splatter
Trio guitarist/bassist) had a book in the works for a
while.
Anyway, if you dug my book, I thank you, and you should
definitely buy As Serious As Your Life if you are
interested in free jazz (and if not, what are you doing
here?).
- --
Jeff Schwartz
jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu
http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html
- -
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:57:17 -0800
From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Spy Vs. Spy
>Anyway, if you dug my book, I thank you, and you should
>definitely buy As Serious As Your Life if you are
>interested in free jazz (and if not, what are you doing
>here?).
Getting to know the enemy.
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:47:56 +0100
From: Anders Fransson <anders.fransson@hoe.se>
Subject: Altschul
- --Talking about Braxton, the exellent drummer Barry Altschul that played
with Braxton in the seventies. What ever happend to him, is he still
in business?
____________________________________________________________________________
Anders Fransson, Biblioteket, Hogskolan i Orebro,
701 82 Orebro, Sweden.
e-mail: anders.fransson@hoe.se
Phone +46 19 30 38 66
Fax +46 19 30 38 55
____________________________________________________________________________
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:11:58 +0100 (MET)
From: Geert Buelens <buelens@uia.ua.ac.be>
Subject: Re: Rectangle Label (Was Re: akchote)
On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 xander@sirius.com wrote:
> an LP on that label by the Recyclers (entitled Morceaux
> Chosis). It's all covers of classic French pop/variet=E9 music (Brel,
> Gainsbourg, etc... and who the heck is Polyphonic Size?)
Polyphonic Size was a Belgian, early '80s, Kraftwerk meets OMD
synthpopband; I was 12 at the time, and only seem to remember the single
'Winston and Julia'... Never heard of them since
geert
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:02:13 -0600
From: "Glenn Astarita" <gastarit@comm.net>
Subject: Re: Altschul
- ----------
> From: Anders Fransson <anders.fransson@hoe.se>
> To: zorn-list@xmission.com
> Subject: Altschul
> Date: Monday, February 16, 1998 1:47 AM
>
> --Talking about Braxton, the exellent drummer Barry Altschul that played
> with Braxton in the seventies. What ever happend to him, is he still
> in business?
>
____________________________________________________________________________
>
He has a new cd called "Irina" ??? .........which reminds me, i need to get
it..!
glenn
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:45:32 -0600
From: dmcrump@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu (Rusty Crump)
Subject: Re: DRUM N BASS N JUNGLE
>ok, so now begs the question...
>who can recommend some good
>"old style" true blue jungle
>that is supposedly the good stuff?
>
>hasta.
>
There's a 1994 compilation on SSR/Crammed Discs called "Jungle Vibes" which
I think is what you're looking for. It's the first-generation real deal,
the Chuck Berry to the current crop's "Voodoo Lounge," and includes my pick
for alltime greatest jungle single, "Renegade Snares" by Omni Trio. It's
instructive to check this early compilation out and notice how, in the last
three years, the track lengths have started to creep up. The Jungle Vibes
tracks are all 3:30 of pure phat ass, no filler, no cereal.
Rusty Crump
Oxford, Mississippi
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 06:39:49 -0800
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: Leng Tch'e
Leng Tch'e is notated at least as far as pitches, I don't know about
arrangemnet/orchestration/timbral stuff.
It's less than a page long, the note are simply held for a very long time.
Herb Levy
herb@eskimo.com
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:59:19 -0600
From: John Howard <Howard@3di.com>
Subject: FW: Re:Albert Ayler (and books, too!)
> >The book is "As serious As Your Life" by Valerie Wilmer. It's not
> about
> >Ayler per se, it covers the whole NY free Jazz Black Music Thing of
> the
> >1960's. Ayler, Coltrane, Cherry, Pharoah, even Sonny Sharrock! some
> >great photo's too.
> >
> >Rich
>
> >Some more books that are excellent (and deal with creative music in
> one
> >way or another):
> >EXTENDED PLAY (John Corbett) Duke Press simply great
> >FORCES IN MOTION (Graham Lock) Da Capo you don't need to be a
> > Braxton fan to enjoy the celebration of creativity
> >All Coltrane Bios are tepid: avoid the Cole bio at all costs, but
>
> >CHASIN THE TRANE is pretty good, look out for the (long time)
> >forthcoming Francis Davis Coltrane bio
> >THE MUSIC OF KARLHEINZ STOCKHAUSEN (Robin maconie)
> >Geez, I'll think of more in time
>
> The Eric Neison (sic) bio ASCENSION is real good actually, you get to
> find out the Coltrane was a closet acid head.
> There is also a comprehensive book sized Ayler bio at:
> http://ernie.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/ayler.html
>
> Other great Ayler recordings to check out are the live ones on HatArt
> and LIve in Greenwhich Village on Impulse. Not to mention New York Eye
> and Ear Control on ESP (with Don Cherry, sort of a companion to
> Coleman's Free Jazz and Coltrane's Ascension)
>
> For Ayler-esque hoot and holler the Frank Lowe ESP album called Black
> Beings contains some of the best "free" blowing this side of Bells.
> It also features Joseph Jarman and The Wizard(!) on violin. A great
> overlooked album. john
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:24:14 -0800
From: David Slusser <slusser@pixar.com>
Subject: Frith, Masaoka & Ochs
Posting for a friend:
Greetings from Berkeley: Frith, Masaoka & Ochs (that's Miya Masaoka on koto
and electronics, Larry Ochs on saxophones and Mr. Frith to you) will be doing
two little tours in the USA this summer. I'm looking for help in booking some
concerts (either people out there who do independent promotion or leads to
clubs or producers in your area that would be interested in this). I want to
work with people who are enthusiastic about booking Fred and know that when
Fred shows up, so does the audience if good pre-concert publicity and word-of-
mouth occur. So my own usual contacts (in the jazz world) are pretty much the
wrong people to be dealing with..............
From June 25 to July 6 is the first period. That one is pretty full up but
there are definitely open dates. I'm especially interested in the Northwest
and California or the Midwest for this period. Current dates are: June 25-
Vancouver// June 26 or 27-Seattle/ June 30 - Oakland, CA // July 2 and
3 - Chicago.
The second period is the first 2 weeks of August. That period is basically
open at the moment. Any concerts would have to include travel from San
Francisco in the expenses.
Any ideas contact Larry Ochs at >metalingua@aol.com<. Thank you.
ps. For those of you in the Southeast, I might add the following info about a
little Rova tour occurring this week: 2/18 - Atlanta; 2/19 - Columbia;
2/20 - Chattanooga; 2/21 - Orlando.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:25:34 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: selling vinyl Big Gundown
On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:47:46 -0500 Tom Pratt wrote:
>
> I am selling an absolutely perfect condition vinyl copy of John Zorn's
> 'The Big Gundown' for $50 even (shipping and handling included). This is
> a very rare Zorn collectors item that I will sell to the first person
> who responds.
$50? For a record that still pops up once in a while in the bins...
Even RADIO HOUR does not reach that price.
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:30:07 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: Angelus Novus
Does anyone know of any of the history of the pieces on Angelus Novus, like, are
they game pieces or fully-composed, adn can anyone tell me what they sound like?
I understand Carny sounds similar to other solo cartoonish quick-cut items like
Roadrunner (accordian) and Cat O' Nine Tails (string quartet). But what about
the rest of it? Can anyone shed any light for this cautious listener?
Thanks,
Peter
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:28:05 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: selling vinyl Big Gundown
Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:47:46 -0500 Tom Pratt wrote:
> >
> > I am selling an absolutely perfect condition vinyl copy of John Zorn's
> > 'The Big Gundown' for $50 even (shipping and handling included). This is
> > a very rare Zorn collectors item that I will sell to the first person
> > who responds.
>
> $50? For a record that still pops up once in a while in the bins...
> Even RADIO HOUR does not reach that price.
>
> Patrice.
When trying to figure out how much I wanted to sell this record, if at
all, I asked a music-freak friend in Boston and he told me that he once
saw a sealed copy of 'The Big Gundown' selling for $65 - I'm not sure
where. Because my copy is in perfect condition and I'm not really
itching to get rid of it, I decided on $50. If this truly is outrageous,
let me know - but I don't think it is.
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:30:08 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: selling vinyl Big Gundown
On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:28:05 -0500 Tom Pratt wrote:
>
> Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:47:46 -0500 Tom Pratt wrote:
> > >
> > > I am selling an absolutely perfect condition vinyl copy of John Zorn's
> > > 'The Big Gundown' for $50 even (shipping and handling included). This is
> > > a very rare Zorn collectors item that I will sell to the first person
> > > who responds.
> >
> > $50? For a record that still pops up once in a while in the bins...
> > Even RADIO HOUR does not reach that price.
> >
> > Patrice.
>
> When trying to figure out how much I wanted to sell this record, if at
> all, I asked a music-freak friend in Boston and he told me that he once
> saw a sealed copy of 'The Big Gundown' selling for $65 - I'm not sure
> where. Because my copy is in perfect condition and I'm not really
> itching to get rid of it, I decided on $50. If this truly is outrageous,
> let me know - but I don't think it is.
You might be right. I was surprised because I did not realized that this
record had reached any collector status (mainstream label, still popping
up in the bins once in a while, etc). I remember that few years ago, you
could see Parachute records (the 2xLP sets) for more than $100. Sounded not
bad based on the very limited pressing and rarity of the sets.
I guess I am loosing touch with what has value and what has not :-).
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:35:09 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: new David Shea
Just bought an amazing David Shea on Staalplaat. It is called MORT AUX VACHES
and seems to be made of mixing of some music from his other records (SATYRICON
and HSI-YU CHI.
Patrice.
PS: and hasta did not stop any activity to let us know about this fantastic
record :-).
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:38:11 -0500
From: chasinthetrane@juno.com (Jamie F Graves)
Subject: Sky Piece
I was really broken up to hear that Thomas Chapin died. I only saw the
guy play twice, but his set at last years Texaco Jazz Fest was
phenomenal, straight ahead at its best. I'm interested in any
recomendations people have of this guy. I have just a few discs,
Menagerie Dreams, Third Force, You Don't Know Me and his KF release w/
strings. I'm particularly interested in his new one on the Knitfact
label. Everything I've heard about it makes it sound phenomenal. Anyone?
Jamie
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:39:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Ross Davis <mrd@artswire.org>
Subject: Re: selling vinyl Big Gundown
>Because my copy is in perfect condition and I'm not really
>itching to get rid of it, I decided on $50. If this truly is outrageous,
>let me know - but I don't think it is.
I have to admit, I think it's a bit artificial to price it that high. I
found it for $8 in a used bin, and my copy is in near-perfect condition as
well.
Why do you want to sell it? I think it is some of Zorn's very best work
from that period, and it will probably rise in value as time wears on and
it truly does begin disappearing from used bins.
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:10:32 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: new David Shea
On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
> PS: and hasta did not stop any activity to let us know about this fantastic
> record :-).
oh, no! shame on me.
actually, i didn't realize it was
ok to make such announcements here
else i would have.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:57:01 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: new David Shea
On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:10:32 -0800 (PST) SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> > PS: and hasta did not stop any activity to let us know about this fantastic
> > record :-).
>
> oh, no! shame on me.
>
> actually, i didn't realize it was
> ok to make such announcements here
> else i would have.
I don't know for others, but I have no problem with annoucement of upcoming
records when they fit so well the target of this list.
BTW, there is no catalog number written on the record. Is it really the case,
or they forgot to put it. Also, when was it exactly released?
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:25:40 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: new David Shea
On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
> I don't know for others, but I have no problem with annoucement of upcoming
> records when they fit so well the target of this list.
ok, i'll keep that in mind. thanks.
> BTW, there is no catalog number written on the record. Is it really the case,
> or they forgot to put it.
none of the Mort Aux Vaches series
has catalog numbers. i'm not really
sure why except maybe because it's
a limited edition release with
no plans to repress.
> Also, when was it exactly released?
about two weeks ago.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:22:38 EST
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: Frith, Masaoka & Ochs
In a message dated 98-02-16 13:29:39 EST, you (slusser@pixar.com) write:
<< ps. For those of you in the Southeast, I might add the following info about
a
little Rova tour occurring this week: 2/18 - Atlanta; 2/19 - Columbia;
2/20 - Chattanooga; 2/21 - Orlando. >>
I'll be at the Columbia (SC) concert- can't wait!!
=dgasque=
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