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Zorn List Digest     Wednesday, February 18 1998     Volume 02 : Number 236



In this issue:
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       Re: Me and Val Wilmer
       Re: Altschul
       [Fwd: Concert Announcement]
       Re: new David Shea
       Re: Big Gundown for $50
       Re: Ayler
       Re: new David Shea
       Masada Tet is out!!!
       English or Japanese Tribe?
       Re:Altschul
       Re: Masada Tet is out!!!
       Big John Patton recommendations?
       Re: new David Shea
       Re: Big John Patton recommendations?
       Re:  Big John Patton recommendations?
       Re: Big John Patton recommendations?
       orchestral release?
       Re: Big John Patton recommendations?
       Re: Masada Tet is out!!!
       Re: Angelus Novus
       sax wars final bar
       sax wars final bar
       Re: Masada Tet is out!!!
       Joy of Disease
       feldman / fushitsusha
       feldman / fushitsusha

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:02:10 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Me and Val Wilmer

Jeff Schwartz wrote:

> Ms. Wilmer was fully footnoted in my book. [snip]
> This situation has been resolved (as near as I can tell)
> to everyone's satisfaction in letters between Wilmer, Bill
> Smith of Coda, and me. It's a drag that Coda let her dog
> me out before we all had a chance to talk, but it's all ok
> now.

Awfully glad to hear about it, and as I feel suitably jerky to have
reported Ms. Wilmer's grievances without having heard that they had been
resolved, let me also add that Jeff's online book on Ayler contains lots
of stuff that isn't in Wilmer's book, and that furthermore I think it's
one of the best references on Ayler I've ever seen.  It was extremely
helpful in my research on Ronald Shannon Jackson in particular.  And
looking at the latest version, it's so well annotated that Val would
have absolutely no cause to complain.

So go read it:  http://ernie.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/ayler.html

I always wanted to see a movie about Ayler's life, directed by Spike Lee
in the pseudo-documentarian style used in "X."  But I get now that it's
generally known that his death was a depressive suicide with no scandal
attached to it, I guess it wouldn't be particularly compelling
boxoffice.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:05:06 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Altschul

Anders Fransson wrote:

> --Talking about Braxton, the exellent drummer Barry Altschul that played
> with Braxton in the seventies. What ever happend to him, is he still
> in business?

He's been playing in New York pretty regularly, mostly low key gigs at the
Internet Cafe with the likes of Mark Helias, Uri Caine and Dave Douglas.  And,
as Glenn Astarita pointed out, he's got a new disc as well.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]



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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:05:41 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: [Fwd: Concert Announcement]

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tenor saxophonist & composer
ELLERY ESKELIN
with
Andrea Parkins (accordion & sampler)
Jim Black (drums)

Friday & Saturday, February 20th & 21st
Internet Cafe, NYC
82 east 3rd street,
between 1st and 2nd Aves., NYC.
tel: [phone]
two sets each evening, 10pm & 11:30pm. $5 cover

"One Great Day..." (hatOLOGY) is now available.

http://home.earthlink.net/~eskelin/

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:28:34 +0800
From: Jan-Wen Lu <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: new David Shea

>  > PS: and hasta did not stop any activity to let us know about this
> fantastic
> > > record :-).
> >
> > oh, no! shame on me.
> >
> > actually, i didn't realize it was
> > ok to make such announcements here
> > else i would have.
>
> I don't know for others, but I have no problem with annoucement of
> upcoming
> records when they fit so well the target of this list.
>
> BTW, there is no catalog number written on the record. Is it really
> the case,
> or they forgot to put it. Also, when was it exactly released?

I received their online new updates on 12/22 last year. I think it was
when this CD released. And I got it more than one month ago. Since it's
a limited edtion of 1000 copies, fans of Shea's works should try to find
it as soon as possible!!



Jan-Wen Lu



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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:23:06 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Big Gundown for $50

The market will bear what the market will bear (capitalism as
tautology).  I'm willing to sell mine for $150!!  Any takers?  Never
mind, it's pretty fine where it is.

Sean

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:25:37 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ayler

Get ANYTHING made in 1964!!
Prophecy (a month before Spiritual Unity)
Vibrations and Hilversuum (with Cherry);
and there's some other live quartet stuff from Berlin November 64
(which I have with some '66 tracks)

Sean

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:10:29 PST
From: "Joe the Shmoo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: new David Shea

>I received their online new updates on 12/22 last year. I think it was
>when this CD released. And I got it more than one month ago. Since it's
>a limited edtion of 1000 copies, fans of Shea's works should try to
find
>it as soon as possible!!

Everyone:

I erased the messages pertaining to the newest D. Shea release.  Sorry.
Once and for all: where (how) can I (try to) get it?

Sorry for the mistake,

KSH

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:25:58 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Masada Tet is out!!!

Masada Nine is out, and well, me thinks amazing. It includes "Acharei Mot"
which was my personal highlight during Masada's last shows at the Knit. Here's
the rundown (Patrice, does this look right?) :)

MASADA   TET  DIW-933

Chayah
Karet
Moshav
Leshem
Kochot
Meholatot
Kedushah
Ner Tamid
Acharei Mot
Jachin

Recorded 4/21/97 NYC

My opinion of Zorn's mass output is only excitment. I loved Angles Norvus
(sp?) and Dura, and think that he's on the cusp of further amazing music. BTW-
Selling Big Gundown for $50 seems silly when you can regulaly find them in NYC
for $5-$10. On the road in Nashville I found "Torture Garden for $4!


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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:56:58 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (Matthew Colonnese)
Subject: English or Japanese Tribe?

Confusion, confusion.

I just cruised Dustygroove (.com) with the intention of purchasing the
"soul-jazz/Universal Sounds") compilation of Tribe records.  Only they have
a two disk set of Japanse (P-Vine) comps of the same label.  For way more.
Any advice?  If I'm gonna buy one of these three, which one?  Is the
additional coverage granted by one these P-Vine records worth the price?

matt


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"Finally, a thing-a-ma-giggy that would bring people together...even if it
kept them apart, spatially."



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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:45:43 PST
From: "Ben Abarbanel-Wolff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:Altschul

    Barry Altschul still lives in New York. He teaches some and gigs
when he can, mostly at the Internet Cafe.
    A friend of mine studied with him for a few years and told me lots
of Barry stories. He's certainly bitter about being left out of the
scene. He truly is one of the great drum innovators!
        -Ben

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:52:12 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph S. Zitt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Masada Tet is out!!!

FWIW: the titles whose translations I can spot off the top of my head (can
anyone fill in the rest?) are:

> MASADA   TET  DIW-933
>
> Chayah
    Living Thing or Wild Animal
> Karet
    Cut off, ostracized
> Moshav
    Cooperative settlement
> Leshem
    For the Name
> Kochot
> Meholatot
> Kedushah
    Holiness (the name of a section of synagogue services)
> Ner Tamid
    Eternal Light
> Acharei Mot
    After the Death
> Jachin

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:40:20 -0800
From: Greg Mills <[e-mail]>
Subject: Big John Patton recommendations?

Big John Patton recommendations?
What's a good CD to start with?


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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:45:22 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: new David Shea

>>>>> "Joe" == Joe the Shmoo <[e-mail]> writes:

    Joe> I erased the messages pertaining to the newest D. Shea
    Joe> release.  Sorry.  Once and for all: where (how) can I (try
    Joe> to) get it?

soleilmoon has it listed, www.soleilmoon.com.  It's in the staalplaat
section.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management

Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)


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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:06:08 -0600
From: JRZ <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Big John Patton recommendations?

At 10:40 AM 2/17/98 -0800, Greg Mills wrote:
>Big John Patton recommendations?
>What's a good CD to start with?


"Electric Boogaloo" is a damn fine album. It's the only one I have but,
from what I hear, it's the one to own. If you like the old time hammond
funk (ala Jimmy Smith and Larry Young) you'll dig it.

How is the Patton album with Zorn? Is it a similiar vibe to his older
albums or a change of pace?

zube


my tapelist http://www.winternet.com/~zube/tapelist.htm
Look at Jim Evans, Look at his head, He's got a compass, and a rollaway
bed! - HGB


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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:22:31 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Big John Patton recommendations?

In a message dated 2/17/98 1:51:29 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

<<Big John Patton recommendations?
What's a good CD to start with? >>

The best of his '60's records that I've heard is Blue John (Blue Note). The
best of his '90's records is Minor Swing on DIW. Both of these are pretty
great.

Jon

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:49:18 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Big John Patton recommendations?

I don't know too much about his older (and other) albums but Minor Swing is
great.  I got it before I knew too much about Zorn, but enough to know that
I should pick it up.  I think it's a great album.  Not often do you get to
hear Zorn playing over a very straight ahead and solid rhythm section (like
the tribute to Sonny Clark) like this one.  Ed Cherry takes good guitar
solos as doe Patton on the organ but they are all fairly standard.  Zorn
does the same for a whie but then he cuts loose and does his trademark
stuff.  I like the contrast.

I recommend it.

Dan

>How is the Patton album with Zorn? Is it a similiar vibe to his older
>albums or a change of pace?



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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:21:31 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: orchestral release?

Anyone know if/when the Orchestral Variations will be released?  Will it
be the NYPO performance?


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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:42:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Big John Patton recommendations?

On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, JRZ wrote:

> "Electric Boogaloo" is a damn fine album. It's the only one I have but,
> from what I hear, it's the one to own.

Is this the same as _Boogaloo_ (which is indeed damn fine)?  My personal
favorite is _Accent on the Blues_ which features a young James Blood Ulmer
on guitar and on which the organ playing itself is a bit more out (closer
to Larry Young's post-_Unity_, pre-_Emergency!_ sound than to Jimmy
Smith, although Patton is less daring than Young).  But I'd say the
difference between these two is down to taste.  Both are
excellent sessions.

Chris Hamilton


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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:45:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Masada Tet is out!!!

On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 [e-mail] wrote:

> Masada Nine is out, and well, me thinks amazing. It includes "Acharei Mot"
> which was my personal highlight during Masada's last shows at the Knit. Here's
> the rundown (Patrice, does this look right?) :)

I've seen this, but haven't picked it up yet because I'm not sure what's
up with the box set of Masada studio recordings planned for Tzadik.
Anyone know whether they've decided to release the additional material
separately?  (I looked, but couldn't find anything on the Tzadik website.)

Chris Hamilton



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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:18:44 -0500
From: stephen drury <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Angelus Novus

At 10:23 PM 2/16/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:30:07 UT
>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: Angelus Novus
>
>Does anyone know of any of the history of the pieces on Angelus Novus,
like, are
>they game pieces or fully-composed, adn can anyone tell me what they sound
like?

You bet they're fully composed.  Every motherfuckin' note.  (With the
exception of the occasional directive "go wild" which usually lasts about
three seconds, and the alto flute cadenza at the end of Part One in
Christabel.)  Zorn once pointed out that Morton Feldman liked to describe
his (Feldman's) fully notated music as being, basically, very much like one
ideal instance or realization of one of his indeterminate works.  "For Your
Eyes Only", etc., bear much the same relation to a work like "Cobra".
- ---steve


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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:13:21 -0800
From: David Slusser <[e-mail]>
Subject: sax wars final bar

Fascinating comparison of Col/Cole Trane/Man recording within a few days of
each other.  Kind of reminds me of M.L. King Jr. and Malcolm X; a very
complicated comparison.

Fitting postscript:

At John Coltrane's funeral service, Albert Ayler played at the beginning
(taking his horn out of his mouth twice and screaming) and Ornette Coleman
played at the end ("Holdiay for a Graveyard"). The piece came to an end as
the casket was closed.

The minister at the service, John Gensel, passed on last week.



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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:04:48 -0800
From: David Slusser <[e-mail]>
Subject: sax wars final bar

Fascinating comparison of Col/Cole Trane/Man recording within a few days
of each other.  Kind of reminds me of M.L. King Jr. and Malcolm X; a very
complicated comparison.

Fitting postscript:

At John Coltrane's funeral service, Albert Ayler played at the beginning
(taking his horn out of his mouth twice and screaming) and Ornette
Coleman played at the end ("Holdiay for a Graveyard"). The piece came to
an end as the casket was closed.

The minister at the service, John Gensel, passed on last week.




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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:20:06 +0000
From: Scott Russell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Masada Tet is out!!!

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[e-mail] wrote:

>  On the road in Nashville I found "Torture Garden for $4!
>
> -

  Torture Garden...Nashville it must hae really gone down a storm there!

Scott Russell

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:42:52 +0100
From: Yves Dewulf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Joy of Disease

I just found "Joy of Disease" (1996,Avant)
It features James Plotkin,Franz Treichler, Mick Harris and Ruth Collins,
but seems to be mainly a Plotkin-project.
How does this one compare to his other projects ?

YVes

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:22:28 PST
From: "Joe the Shmoo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: feldman / fushitsusha

A Helio-Hello to all:

For those of us on the list who are not near the Northeast, or any
Feldman-active metro area, I would like to mention an item of possible
interest.  There will be a Morton Feldman event at the Menil Collection
gallery in Houston, TX, on April 14, 1998.  "Structures for String
Quartet" and about three other pieces will be played, including
highlights from "Philip Guston" (kidding).  In addition, there will be
writers/critics speaking about personal experiences with "sexy M.F." as
well as the connection between his music and the visual arts.  The
enormous Rob Rauschenberg retrospec is in town, to boot.  You can call
the menil Collection or da Camera Houston for info.  AND the actual
Rothko Chapel is right next door (for those who haven't been)!

As for Fushitsusha (especially), Nijiumu, Haino, etc. :  I am interested
in buying/trading for someone's unwanted copy.  Fat chance, huh?  E.mail
me!

G'day, and thanks to the long-thread participants (alas I am an
observer) for the interesting thoughts.

KSH

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:10:59 PST
From: "Joe the Shmoo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: feldman / fushitsusha

A Helio-Hello to all:

For those of us on the list who are not near the Northeast, or any
Feldman-active metro area, I would like to mention an item of possible
interest.  There will be a Morton Feldman event at the Menil Collection
gallery in Houston, TX, on April 14, 1998.  "Structures for String
Quartet" and about three other pieces will be played, including
highlights from "Philip Guston" (kidding).  In addition, there will be
writers/critics speaking about personal experiences with "sexy M.F." as
well as the connection between his music and the visual arts.  The
enormous Rob Rauschenberg retrospec is in town, to boot.  You can call
the menil Collection or da Camera Houston for info.  AND the actual
Rothko Chapel is right next door (for those who haven't been)!

As for Fushitsusha (especially), Nijiumu, Haino, etc. :  I am interested
in buying/trading for someone's unwanted copy.  Fat chance, huh?  E.mail
me!
G'day, and thanks to the long-thread participants (alas I am an
observer) for the interesting thoughts.
KSH

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