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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #229
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, February 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 229
In this issue:
-
SF: pointers for good sounds
Re: SF: pointers for good sounds
Re: bmg-they know their stuff.
Albert Ayler
Re: New Mr. Bungle?
Re: New Mr. Bungle?
RE: Painkiller
RE: Painkiller 2
Re: pointers for good sounds
new Buckethead
Pain Killer "Marianne" cover
Re: Bungle side projects cont'd....
Re: SF: pointers for good sounds
European Music resources?
Re: European Music resources?
Curlew East Coast tour
Re: Albert Ayler
Re: new Buckethead
Re: Ribot`s cubanos
zines/web resources
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:58:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Brian Whitman <bwhitman@WPI.EDU>
Subject: SF: pointers for good sounds
I'm going to be in San Francisco for two months starting in the middle of
March. Now I know there's tons of stuff there to listen to, but I have
never paid attention to the names of the clubs until now. I want to not
miss a day of great music and plan to be prepared.
What are the usual places for the more experimentally-tinged kinds of
things? Where does Patton, zorn, et. al... usually stop off?
If anyone would like to give me poitners, or a web page link, or smething
I can check out as far the 'scene' in SF goes, that would be much
appreciated. I never been there before (I'm from NYC/NJ/Worcester) but am
looking forward to it extensively.
Thanks!
Brian Whitman
bwhitman@wpi.edu - http://www.netspace.org/users/bwhitman
MMW: http://www.netspace.org/mmw JMP: http://www.netspace.org/jmp
"Slothrop (peering): You, Never? (A pause.) Did the Kenosha Kid?"
- -
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:02:41 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: SF: pointers for good sounds
On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, Brian Whitman wrote:
> If anyone would like to give me poitners, or a web page link, or smething
> I can check out as far the 'scene' in SF goes, that would be much
Beanbenders is the place you wanna be:
http://astro.berkeley.edu/plonsey/beanbenders.html
and when you get in town, pick
up a copy of the SF Bay Guardian,
a weekly free newspaper. or
go to their website:
http://www.sfbg.com
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 04:09:11 EST
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: bmg-they know their stuff.
In a message dated 98-02-11 20:02:25 EST, you (umillj08@mcl.ucsb.edu) write:
<< "John Zorn is a downtow new york freak who likes to round up other
downtown new york freaks, go into a studio and record freaky music...
(Naked City is) a collection of dark, evil and propulsive compositions
that he (Zorn) dubbed, 'jazz noir.'"
comments?
>>
Sounds about right to me...;-)
spinning: Sun Ra- Other Planes of There
=dgasque=
- -
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 04:13:30
From: "Doug McKay" <mckay003@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Albert Ayler
[This was written for rec.music.bluenote but fits here too.]
These days I'm hitting jazz from John Zorn's direction. A few years ago I
tried a bit of Parker, Monk, and Dexter Gordon, and brought along a
previous interest in Swing (e.g. Benny Goodman) but didn't know where to go
from there and didn't look much further.
I found Eric Dolphy about a week ago and absolutely love his stuff. I am
without question a Dolphy fan. Dolphy brought me to Mingus and I like him
too. Zorn leads me to Ornette Coleman and I picked up THE SHAPE OF JAZZ TO
COME today for my first taste. I guess this is indeed what jazz became
because it just sounds like "jazz" to me. FREE JAZZ is next on my list,
though, for Coleman, and I'm certain that one is going to be a hell of a
ride. Besides, Dolphy is on it!
Now, on to my discovery of Albert Ayler.
A couple days ago I borrowed a copy of the Penguin Jazz Guide and page by
page noted sax players I might like and what might be a good first sample
of their work. Albert Ayler sounded interesting. I'd never come across his
name before but the Guide recommended SPIRITUAL UNITY. So today I bought
it.
1964 was a good year for jazz wasn't it? This came out and so did OUT TO
LUNCH. Ayler is very interesting and enjoyable. I'm drawn to this album. As
I write, the second variation of "Ghosts" is playing on headphones.
So many good sax players died young. [Parker, Dolphy, Ayler, Coltrane] What
would jazz have become if they had lived?
I *will* be buying more Ayler. Peter Brotzman's MACHINE GUN ('68) is also
on my list, as is David Murray's MING ('80) and THE HILL ('86).
I had a "bad experience" with Coltrane back when I was looking at jazz
before (I listened to MY FAVORITE THINGS - and coming from a heavy metal
background this is *not* a pleasurable experience) and am now making him
wait while I search around for others. Lucky for him (and me, no doubt) the
Great Dolphy recorded with him.
Anyway, I like Ayler and am happy I found him.
Doug McKay
In Minnesota
- -
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:56:30 +0100
From: "Felix" <jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Re: New Mr. Bungle?
Why? Do YOU know anything that I don't know about? My knowledge is that Mr.
Bungle's last was Disco Volante and I never ever heard of them before. Oh,
please please please please please please please please, make it so. I'd
realy like to see those guys doing new stuff.
Felix
jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt
- -----Original Message-----
From: chad edwards <chadhead@rocketmail.com>
To: zorn-list@xmission.com <zorn-list@xmission.com>
Date: quarta-feira, 11 de fevereiro de 1998 23:37
Subject: New Mr. Bungle?
>
>
>
>
>
> Say, does anyone out there in computer land know
>any word about Mr.Bungle's future release and when
>exactly it will be available?
>
> I need to know. Its important.
>
> Thanks...really,
> Chad D. Edwards
> (on the internet)
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
>-
>
- -
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:48:13 -0600
From: "Petsitter" <PETSITTER@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: New Mr. Bungle?
- -----Original Message-----
From: Gauthier Michelle A <7mag2@qlink.queensu.ca>
To: Petsitter <PETSITTER@prodigy.net>
Cc: chad edwards <chadhead@rocketmail.com>; zorn-list@xmission.com
<zorn-list@xmission.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: New Mr. Bungle?
>
>> Exactly what side projects right now? I know the new secret chiefs is
>> coming out soon. Is it true that Patton left Faith No More? Id say its
>> about time he left that dead end project any ways.
>
>Yeah, the new SC3 is due out in March on Amarillo. It is true that Patton
>said goodbye to Faith No More.
>Ummmmm.... well Patton is working with several musicians and doing his own
>solo work, (I'm sure most people are familiar with his 2 Tzadik
>releases) and he'll be playing at Victoriaville in May with his own
>unit, and also with Zorn and Ikue Mori.
>Danny (percussion) plays with another band called Dieselhed...
>Trey (guitars, electronics) has several other obscure projects besides SC3
>such as Faxed Head and he is
>also on an upcoming Avant release called _Weird Little Boy_ with Patton,
>William Winant and others...
>Trevor (basses) has several jazz-related projects such as Junk Genius, the
>Graham Connah Group, Snorkel, and he plays on a bunch of CD's by other
>west coast musicians such as Ben Goldberg, John Schott, and Philip
>Greenlief, just to name a few. He is also part of a really cool project
>called Tipsy that everyone should own...
Thats some really exciting information to me. I have so many questions for
you.
When is that avant release coming out and where will it be easily
available?
Will Patton and Zorn be coming to chicago?
I was thinking of getting Junk Genious, could you describe it a little.
the knitting factory said it was like bungle, but is it like disco or their
first album? I would hope it is similar to disco volante.
Thank you!>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:00:48 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: RE: Painkiller
There are tons of internet music stores, most of which deliver to Canada.
www.pentagonmusic.com
www.cdnow.com
www.massmusic.com
www.cduniverse.com
etc. etc.
Peter
- -
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:01:30 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: RE: Painkiller 2
Or, duh, sorry,
go to the Tzadik website itself, where I believe you can order.
www.tzadik.com
Peter
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:00:25 -0800
From: "Keith McMullen" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: pointers for good sounds
>If anyone would like to give me poitners, or a web page link, or smething
>I can check out as far the 'scene' in SF goes, that would be much
>appreciated
>Brian Whitman
Here's the best Web resource: http://www.slip.net/~wedge/gigs.html
Also check the SF section in Cadence magazine by Stuart Kremsky
Keith
- -
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:29:07 -0800
From: Todd Bramy <tbramy@oz.net>
Subject: new Buckethead
I listened to a copy of the new Buckethead CD "Colma" tonight and thought
I'd let you all know a little bit about it.
Quiet.
Surprisingly calm set, a lot of solo guitar stuff. The promo pack looks
like they're really pushing this whole "guitar genius" thing. I expect to
see some Guitar Player magazine stuff out of this. Hmmm. A wonderful set
though. Quite sparse without drifting too much into ambient. (not to say
that would be bad)
label: CyberOctave
street date: 3/24/98
Buckethead: guitar, basses
Brain: drums, loops
DJ Disc: (DJing I guess) on 3 tracks
Bill Laswell: bass on 1 track (which he produces)
Terry Untalon: cello, viola on 2 tracks.
13 tracks in all.
Produced by Buckethead & Xtrack (Except the Laswell track)
I see in the promo material something I've not heard of: he released
material under an anagram name: Death Cube K. Can anyone tell me what this
is like or what label it's on?
Thanks
<< todd >>
=83=83=83=83=83=83=83
"I don't want to spend my life explaining myself.
You either get it or you don't."
=46rank Zappa
- -
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:06:08 -0500
From: David Keffer <keffer@shell.planetc.com>
Subject: Pain Killer "Marianne" cover
> > On the first CD there's a bonus-track : Marianne, featuring Makigami
Koichi
> > (vocals) and Haino Keiji (guitar).
>
> is it a cover of the classic Leonard Cohen song? :)
What I have heard is that the song "Marianne" is originally
by the 60s Japanese garage band, The Jacks.
David K.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:10:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Gauthier Michelle A <7mag2@qlink.queensu.ca>
Subject: Re: Bungle side projects cont'd....
> When is that avant release coming out and where will it be easily
> available?
I HEARD that the release date is sometime in late February for _Weird
Little Boy_, but this is possibly a Japanese release date. Someone out
there in computerland might know more about the exact date this record
will make it's way to North America.
> Will Patton and Zorn be coming to
chicago?
Ummmmm... I don't think so, not in the near future anywayzzzzz.... let me
check my crystal ball.... ;-)
> I was thinking of getting Junk Genius, could you describe it a little.
> the knitting factory said it was like bungle, but is it like disco or their
> first album? I would hope it is similar to disco volante.
The Knitting Factory described JG as Bungle-like? Really? Shame on them!
In actuality I HATE trying to decribe music, but I'll give it a shot...
Junk Genius..... it's quartet comprised of Dunn (upright bass), Ben
Goldberg (clarinets),
John Schott (guitar) and Kenny Wollesen (percussion). It definitely has
some Be-bop, lots of improvisation and free structure, and a bit of
Klezmer influence. The pieces are reinterpretations of tunes by Charlie
Parker, Dizzy Gillepspie and Bud Powell.
It's a nice album, but in no way connected to Mr. Bungle IMHO!
m.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:27:15 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: SF: pointers for good sounds
For what it's worth...
The Elbo room is where Charlie Hunter seems to have made his home base. I
was going to see him there one night while visiting but instead I had to go
get someone at the airport. Bummer.
Dan
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:29:19 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: European Music resources?
Hey everyone,
I'm going to Europe in May and I was wondering if anyone knows about
festivals/tours that will be happeing around that time. Are there any
difinitive web resources I should check out?
Thanks,
Dan
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:56:19 PST
From: "Joe the Shmoo" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: European Music resources?
>
>Hey everyone,
>
>I'm going to Europe in May and I was wondering if anyone knows about
>festivals/tours that will be happeing around that time. Are there any
>difinitive web resources I should check out?
>
>Thanks,
>Dan
DAN:
By the time I get this post up, there will be eighty responses, but here
goes:
www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/index.html
Simply the best!
Also: if you want to catch any American acts over there, check the
obvious sources: Knitfac Tour page, Screwgun records, etc etc etc
>
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- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:28:19 EST
From: CuneiWay@aol.com
Subject: Curlew East Coast tour
CURLEW
George Cartwright - saxes
Chris Cochrane & Davey Williams - guitars
Ann Rupel - bass
Kenny Wollesen - drums
will be performing the following east coast shows:
Saturday March 7th - Phantasmagoria - 11319 Elkin St., Wheaton, MD (301)
949-8886 [with BOOM from Richmond, VA]
Sunday March 8th - Buttonwood Tree - 605 Main St. Middletown, CT (860)
347-4957 stephan@buttonwood.org
Tuesday March 10th - Knitting Factory - 74 Leonard St. NYC, NY (212) 219-3006
[10:00 PM]
Wednesday March 11th - Green Street Grill -Boston, MA [11:00 PM]
Friday March 13th - Carnegie Mellon University - Pittsburgh, PA [with
WATERSHED QUINTET]
I'm sorry that I don't have street addresses and/or phone numbers for the last
two shows at this time - you can check our tour website for updates at:
http://members.aol.com/Cuneiform2/tour.html
"George Cartwright's Curlew is the best and most obstinately commited band to
emerge from New York's Knitting Factory -based alternative music scene in
recent years."-Option
"The unironic, idiosyncratic mix of Latin, soul, funk, free music and jazz
rock gives fusion a good name. George Cartwright has been nurturing Curlew
since 1979 - he has one hell of a group on his hands."-The Wire
Curlew will be performing material from their brand new Cuneiform release
"Fabulous Drop" as well as other material.
Hope some of you can make it there!
Steve Feigenbaum
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:04:39 -0800
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: Albert Ayler
At 4:13 AM 2/12/98, Doug McKay wrote:
>[This was written for rec.music.bluenote but fits here too.]
>
>These days I'm hitting jazz from John Zorn's direction. A few years ago I
>tried a bit of Parker, Monk, and Dexter Gordon, and brought along a
>previous interest in Swing (e.g. Benny Goodman) but didn't know where to go
>from there and didn't look much further.
>
>I found Eric Dolphy about a week ago and absolutely love his stuff. I am
>without question a Dolphy fan. Dolphy brought me to Mingus and I like him
>too. Zorn leads me to Ornette Coleman and I picked up THE SHAPE OF JAZZ TO
>COME today for my first taste. I guess this is indeed what jazz became
>because it just sounds like "jazz" to me. FREE JAZZ is next on my list,
>though, for Coleman, and I'm certain that one is going to be a hell of a
>ride. Besides, Dolphy is on it!
>
>Now, on to my discovery of Albert Ayler.
>
Hi Doug,
You're in for a wild ride here, congratulations on your "discoveries". For
me, hearing Ornette live about 15 years ago was my ticket into jazz, I know
the feeling when it suddenly all makes sense.
I think you'd really enjoy the recent Coltrane Live at the Village Vanguard
box set, not only is it some of Coltrane's finest stuff (pre-Ascension, but
parts are surprisingly out for the time), but it has a lot of very fine
playing from Dolphy.
________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/
"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
-Sun Ra
________________________________________________________
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:08:35 -0500
From: Sean Terwilliger <seanter@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: new Buckethead
Todd Bramy wrote:
> I listened to a copy of the new Buckethead CD "Colma" tonight and t=
hought
> I'd let you all know a little bit about it.
>
http://www.bucketheadland.com has sound samples of this...
> I see in the promo material something I've not heard of: he release=
d
> material under an anagram name: Death Cube K. Can anyone tell me wh=
at this
> is like or what label it's on?
>
>
2 releases. Dreamatorium - on Strata/Subharmonic and Disembodied - on=
Ion.Erie
dark ambient noise with Bhead and Laswell on stringed instruments and=
stuff...
- -Sean
> Thanks
>
> << todd >>
>
> =83=83=83=83=83=83=83
> "I don't want to spend my life explaining myself.
> You either get it or you don't."
> Frank Zappa
>
> -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:16:23 +0100
From: Martin Schmitz-Ohrndorf <ohrndorf@zippel.de>
Subject: Re: Ribot`s cubanos
For everyone in Europe who is interested listing to this band. There is
a tour announced for August/September 1998 by Saudades.
http://www.ejn.it/tours/saudades.htm
Martin Schmitz-Ohrndorf
- -
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:17:34 PST
From: "Joe the Shmoo" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: zines/web resources
Looking for really cool internet/web music/art/lit oriented sites.
Please assume i already know about the most common resources: the ones I
could find myself in five minutes flat (Yahoo, etc) I've probably
followed; but who knows? I get lost in links, it's terrible. I prefer
intelligent writing, not just a "fanzine". Also, 2 things:
1. I am not a fan(atic). I like to enthuse but I'm trying to
temper that with an intelligent research-mentality. have fun,
culture-mulch, but follow leads...which leads me to #2...
2.I am a fanatic for all things Corbett. John Corbett's writing has
been topically interesting and damned well-written and I want more.
So, till the second book comes out....where the hell are the
non DOWNBEAT papers/articles? I cannot find the OCTOBER, NEW
ART EXAMINER, etc stuff. Did find a book on Chicago Arts with
an chapter by JC on the history of the Chicago avant-garde music
scene. I would appreciate help with this, as well as pointers
to other writers who function on such a highly multidisciplinary
level.
Thanks a heep! (You guys are the best.)
KSH
P.s. You can e-mail me directly, unless the resulting thread would be
helpful to community.
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