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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #227
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, February 10 1998 Volume 02 : Number 227
In this issue:
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Eric Dolphy
Re: vinyl issues ?
Re: Funny Games
Zorn and Avant Pop
Re: Jack Smith
Re: Zorn and Avant Pop
new frisell
WUNH DURHAM 91.3fm Modern Jazz/Avant-Garde Top 10 Feb.9 1998
Re: x-tzadik revue
Re: Zorn and Avant Pop
Re: Zorn and Avant Pop
dark ambient
Fwd: Jack Smith
PS1
Re: Absinthe
CD Sale!
Re: Jack Smith
Zorn and Avant Pop (the essay)
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 04:27:39
From: "Doug McKay" <mckay003@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Eric Dolphy
Just a note so say I finally picked up OUT TO LUNCH, along with Mingus LIVE
IN PARIS with Dolphy, on the Revenge label. I've been listening to them
both repeatedly since I got them Saturday evening. Finally had to put on
some Ravel and Debussy quartets just to take a break from it all.
But Dolphy is definitely great! Next stop: Ornette's SHAPE OF JAZZ TO COME.
My plan for Coltrane is to go with those that have Dolphy on them first.
Then there's Mingus, too, now. I love having all this new (old) music to
buy.
Doug McKay
In Minnesota
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 14:35:49 +0000
From: "p.rice" <gda@pingnet.li>
Subject: Re: vinyl issues ?
hola tim!
i don't know if zorn is still putting out stuff on vinyl.
however, i have the following zorn related titles on good ol' vinyl:
john zorn - archery
zorn / bailey / lewis - yankees
various - tribute to thelonious monk
john zorn + michihiro sato - ganryu island
john zorn - big gundown
john zorn - spillane
naked city - naked city (at least two titles that are on the cd release
are not included here)
naked city - torture garden
mr. bungle - mr. bungle
painkiller - guts of a virgin
(plus some others i can't remember right now...; i'll check my
collection some time.)
maybe this helps a little bit...
patRice
Tim Schelfhout wrote:
>
> Hello there,
>
> Does anyone out there know wheter Zorn is still putting things out on
> vinyl (I still swear by vinyl !!!). Maybe someone has a list of Zorn
> records that appeared on vinyl and more precisely if the Zorn/Patton
> collaboration 'Minor swing' was ever put out on vinyl.
>
> Thanks
>
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:21:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: Funny Games
On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Yves Dewulf wrote:
> A review of the 1997 movie "Funny Games" by Austrian Director Michael Haneke
> mentions the usage of "some very scary music by John Zorn".
> More information? Is this unreleased music ?
i saw haneke's film @ the hirshorn gallery here in d.c. a few months ago
and while i'm not sure exactly which recording the songs were culled
from, the music was most definitely by naked city (fast hardcore style,
with eye screaming lead). i guess it could have been from the middle of
_naked city_ or anything off _torture garden_.
b
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 11:15:40 -0500
From: Matt Moffett <fkmoffet@erols.com>
Subject: Zorn and Avant Pop
I just picked up a new collection of fiction entitled _After Yesterday's
Crash...The Avant Pop Anthology_. It's a good collection from both
popular (Sterling, Gibson) and "literary" writers (Delillo, Auster) all
focusing on the utilization of pop motifs in short fiction. The opening
essay by the editor Larry McCaffery goes into a connection between this
style and musical works by people like Zorn, Chadborne, and Lester Bowie
(particularly looking at Spillane). If people are interested I can type
up the appropriate sections. I didn't want to clutter the list if no
one had any interest.
Matt
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 08:11:01 PST
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Jack Smith
>there's a sentimental reason why Zorn might've honoured the Baxter
>complication in his year's best list. Jack Smith, a friend to the
>youthful Zorn, apparently played Baxter recs as his music-of-choice in
>the Arabian Nights -themed surrounds of his apartment.
This is a tidbit I had no idea of! Where did you learn this? The
extent of my knowledge about JZ's youth and early development comes from
a few liner notes and maybe a few comments ina n interview or two
(Santoro, Francis Davis, William Duckworth, a snippet from Esquire [!],
the usual). I did not realize the Smith/Zorn relationship was a
personal one. Biographical sources, anyone?
KSH
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 08:23:51 PST
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn and Avant Pop
If people are interested I can type
>up the appropriate sections. I didn't want to clutter the list if no
>one had any interest.
>
>Matt
Sounds great, Matt! Even if nobody else says anything, I'm very
interested. By the way, for the public:
I may be stretching, but I have this creepy feeling there's a Zorn/Paul
Auster connection. I was checking out a book of essays called THE ART
OF HUNGER recently and P.A. mentions his friend 'S' the composer, who
lives in "just about the smallest space I've ever seen" (this is a
radically paraphrased quote, as I do not have the book with me). This
was in an interview included in the book. Just thought I would throw
that out; if you think it's ridiculous, you can throw it out, too.
I love you all
KSH
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 09:36:41 -0700
From: louie <louie@gwtc.net>
Subject: new frisell
just got the new frisell cd "gone...just like a train" just guitar,
drums and bass. so straightforward. has some overtones of "nashville".
i would highly recommend it.
i'm still having trouble convincing my friends this is the same guitar
player from the naked city projects!
- -louie
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:41:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Richard E Ladew <rladew@hopper.unh.edu>
Subject: WUNH DURHAM 91.3fm Modern Jazz/Avant-Garde Top 10 Feb.9 1998
PCP House Of Coffee
WUNH Durham 91.3fm
Top 10 for Monday Feb 9, 1998
(Artist)
(title)
(Label) (weeks on chart)
1.Bobby Previte's Latin for Travellers
"My Man in Sydney"
Enja records (1)
2. Mike Patton
"Ford Mustang" (from Various Artists:Great Jewish Music: Serge Gainsbourg)
Tzadik records (1)
3. Bill Frisell
"Gone Just Like A Train"
Nonesuch records (1)
4.John Zorn
"the Parachute Years" (7Xcd)
Tzadik records (1)
5.Brad Shepik and the Commuters
"The Loan"
Songlines records (1)
6. Ruins
"Refusal Fossil"
Skin Graft (1)
7. Prajna
"Postmodernism"
Eclectic records (1)
8. John Linberg Ensemble
"Bounce"
Black Saint records (1)
9. Fred Hersch
"'Round Midnight"
Nonesuch records (1)
10. Phillip Glass
"Kundun SNDTK"
Nonesuch records (1)
This is the first week so bear with me. Ireport the air play of things
played on My PCP houseof coffee show (2 hours every Tuesday night from
10-midnight EST.; The 2hour modern Jazz show on Monday night, and general
play throughout the week by our dj's. If you know anyone who would like
to be sent charting info, please have them send me an e-mail.
Much Respect,
Rich Ladew
rladew@hopper.unh.ed
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 11:49:02 -0500
From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com>
Subject: Re: x-tzadik revue
> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:45:53 -0500
> From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
> >>>>> "Scott" == Scott Handley <c123018@hotmail.com> writes:
> Scott> 10.Ikue Mori Anything, on any label (never heard her: I'm
> Scott> nervous about her but so many people I respect love her; I
> Scott> just need an opinion and a description, where possible)
>
> Frith, Mori, and Kato Hideki have an interesting disk Death Ambient,
> one of those where you wonder who's playing what.
I'd also recommend her solo CD GARDEN- amazing what she's able to do with drum
machines and samples.
> She also has an album with two guitarists, Quine and
> Ribot, Painted Desert, which I found slightly disappointing as a
>
Her playing is a little subdued compared to what she's done elsewhere- still, it's a
good place to hear Ribot and Quine let loose.
Jason
- --
Perfect Sound Forever
Warped perspectives on all types of music
perfect-sound@furious.com
http://www.furious.com/perfect
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 09:18:41 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn and Avant Pop
On Mon, 09 Feb 1998 08:23:51 PST "Scott Handley" wrote:
>
> If people are interested I can type
> >up the appropriate sections. I didn't want to clutter the list if no
> >one had any interest.
> >
> >Matt
>
> Sounds great, Matt! Even if nobody else says anything, I'm very
> interested. By the way, for the public:
>
> I may be stretching, but I have this creepy feeling there's a Zorn/Paul
> Auster connection. I was checking out a book of essays called THE ART
^^^^^^
Wow!!! At last!!! I saw Zorn at the Cooler two years ago. He was talking
to somebody at the bar that sounded familiar. Stupidly, I went to the
person thinking he was Marc Ribot... He told me he was not Marc, and I
vanished immediately, my face totally red.
The problem is that I really knew that face. Few days after, the click
came: this man looked exactly like Paul Auster. I asked few people
about that but never got an answer.
> OF HUNGER recently and P.A. mentions his friend 'S' the composer, who
> lives in "just about the smallest space I've ever seen" (this is a
> radically paraphrased quote, as I do not have the book with me). This
> was in an interview included in the book. Just thought I would throw
> that out; if you think it's ridiculous, you can throw it out, too.
Now I am pretty sure that it was him!
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:50:15 +0100 (MET)
From: Geert Buelens <buelens@uia.ua.ac.be>
Subject: Re: Zorn and Avant Pop
> I may be stretching, but I have this creepy feeling there's a Zorn/Paul
> Auster connection. I was checking out a book of essays called THE ART
> OF HUNGER recently and P.A. mentions his friend 'S' the composer
This collection, if I remember correctly, also contains an insightfull
essay on the Jewish poet Paul Celan; last year at a Radical Jewish Culture
Festival in Leuven, Anthony Coleman said that he and Zorn were very into
reading Celan... (Or is this just another case of paranoia?)
geert
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:07:50 EST
From: gsg@juno.com (Geoff S Gersh)
Subject: dark ambient
hello everyone......
with all this talk of dark ambient music I thought I might as well
promote my band's upcoming show at the Knit. :)
Straylight- electro-acoustic improv. trio
Geoff Gersh - guitar
Charles Cohen - Analog Buchla synth
Jason Finkelman - berimbau, riti, percussion
in the Alterknit Wed. Feb 11th....7pm
the music moves from dark, droney, textural music to grooves inspired
by traditional brazilian/african rhythms.....and much more
If your in the NY area, you can get a little sample on the Village Voice
Club Land.
Call 212-598-0627,when you connect press 2....then LITE(5483)
Geoff
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:51:40 EST
From: Knutboy@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: Jack Smith
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If you live in the NYC area, I urge you to take a visit to PS 1 in Long Island
City. They have the first ever retrospective of Jack's work. Photos, costumes,
writing, films and audio with Jack and Tony Conrad in conversation. Very wild
and funny. Go!
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:15:25 -0700
From: Jason Tors <jtors@usinteractive.com>
Subject: PS1
I second knutboy on this one. If you have even a minimal interest in art,
this museum will blow you away. I like to think of it as primarily a
playground with art. Jack Smith exhibit is great, a tribute to avate garde
preformance art, andy warhol gone zorn in a sweet abrasive poke at fashion.
The John Coplands retrospective is ominous in both size, style, and impact.
He is an old man that takes pictures of his wrinkled body reproduced three
times larger than life. Walls that sweat, videos in the floorboards, green
hall lights that yell and chant, image projectors in the hallways,
instalations exploding out of walls, a slice of a house, the boiler room,
video art, heated ladders, and much much more. If the MET or the MOMA bore
you, this museum is for you!
Take the E train over the east river and it is your first stop. Ely Ave and
23rd street, ask for it by name.
- -
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:51:57 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: Absinthe
> Laswell/ Harris- Somnific Flux
> Peter Scherer- Cronologia
> Mori/ Kato/ Frith- Death Ambient
> Painkiller- ambient stuff on Burial Ground
> Bill Frisell- "The Lone Ranger" on Before We Were Born
> sort of, but really different, too: John Zorn- Elegy
>
> If anyone knows of anything that fits in with what I've listed, I'd love
> to hear about it. This is my favorite stuff and the list above is pretty
> much all I have. Am I looking for Scorn and just don't know it yet? I
> haven't heard them.
scorn don't excite me that much...they're a little too static for a
dubby-type project. The remix album is pretty cool, though, with mixes by
Autechre among others.
Other dark, atmospheric projects i've heard:
THE HAFLER TRIO: absolutely amazing electro-acoustic/electronic studio
manipulation stuff. My favorites are 'masturbatorium', 'fuck', 'mastery
of money'...i've heard that 'kill the king' is good, but i've never heard
it. Early stuff is being reissued on golden hammer, but it's not as
sophisticated.
THOMAS KONER: this is one guy who makes all his music with drones created
from gongs, cymbals and delay/reverb boxes. Very chilly, arctic
atmosphere, with very cool action happening in the harmonics and
window-rattling bass.
NURSE WITH WOUND are sometimes very silly, but also have their more spooky
moments. 'Soliloquies for lilith' is very sprawling. Other stuff is more
jump-cutty, strange tape collage stuff.
and on and on...
- -jascha
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:36:09 -0600 (CST)
From: Mike Shepherd <rein0065@frank.mtsu.edu>
Subject: CD Sale!
Okay, this is my last CD sale. Just a few more items that might be of
interest to the list. All prices as listed, postage paid, first come,
first served, etc.
Arto Lindsay Trio - "Aggregates 1-26" w/Melvin Gibbs and Dougie Bowne $10
Joey Baron - "Down Home" w/Bill Frissell, Ron Carter, etc. $10
Ornette Coleman Double Quartet - "Free Jazz" $7
Ellery Eskellin - "One Great Day . . ." w/Andrea Parkins and Jim Black $7
There you go. Please respond privately. I apologize for the unwelcome
capitalistic interjection, but we starving college students gots to pay
tha bills. - Mike
"It's only romantic 'cause it never works."
- Harriet the Spy
*********************************
Mike Shepherd
rein0065@frank.mtsu.edu
Middle Tennessee State University
(615) 898-3652
*********************************
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 23:32:11 PST
From: "John Q Citizen" <alan_smithee@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Jack Smith
>>there's a sentimental reason why Zorn might've honoured the Baxter
>>complication in his year's best list. Jack Smith, a friend to the
>>youthful Zorn, apparently played Baxter recs as his music-of-choice in
>>the Arabian Nights -themed surrounds of his apartment.
>
>This is a tidbit I had no idea of! Where did you learn this? The
>extent of my knowledge about JZ's youth and early development comes
from
>a few liner notes and maybe a few comments ina n interview or two
>(Santoro, Francis Davis, William Duckworth, a snippet from Esquire [!],
>the usual). I did not realize the Smith/Zorn relationship was a
>personal one. Biographical sources, anyone?
>
I think I read about this in the Zorn interview in Col Gagne Soundpieces
2 (is that its called? Anyway,) Dunno how close they were, but Zorn has
said Smith was inspirational to him, by constructing the whole milieu
that he lived in: wearing pantaloons and a turban, drinking turkish
coffee, etc. Y'know; just generally ignoring prevailing social mores,
and taking a more creative approach to life.
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:12:47 -0500
From: Matt Moffett <fkmoffet@erols.com>
Subject: Zorn and Avant Pop (the essay)
It seems people are interested, so here are the pertinent parts of the
essay. As far as a JZ/Auster connection, I know Auster has a new
autobiography out....when I get around to it maybe I'll find some
references in there.
________________________________________________________________________
Tune Town:The Birthplace of the Term Avant-Pop
I've borrowed the term _Avant-Pop_ from the title of a 1986 album by
Lester Bowie, the great jazz trumpet player and composer best known for
his work with the wildly inventive Art Ensemble of Chicago. Listening
to the way Bowie used the basic structures and "content" of such
familiar pop tunes as "Crazy" and "Blueberry Hill" as a springboard for
producing a collaborative, improvisatory new work was instrumental (no
pun intended) in my beginning to think about what I was later to term
the Avant-pop phenomenon. It immediately occured to me that such
methods were analogous to those being used in postmodern fiction, for
example, in Kathy Acker's "rewrites" of classic novels (eg., _Great
Expectations_ and _Don Quixote) or in various "cover versions" of myths,
Biblical stories, and fairy tales by Donald Barthelme, Robert Coover,
John Barth, and Steve Katz. In the case of Bowie's _Avant-pop_, the
results of this collaborative approach to earlier material were at once
zingingly ironic and funny, yet also genuinely expansive.
In this regard, Bowie's approach to composition is exemplary of
Avant-pop aesthetics generally: here was an artist who assumed in
advance his audience's familiarity with what Robert Coover has called
the "mythic residues" of society: those shards of cultural memory and
artifice that simultaneously help organize our responses to the world
and tyrannically limit the options of those responses. Bowie, like
Coover and other Avant-pop artists, doesn't ask his audience to attempt
to deny or ignore these elements (inevitably a fruitless task since
society requires such materials); nor does he introduce them either as
something merely to be mocked, parodied, or re-represented in the
neutral, celebratory manner of Andy Warhol or with the ironic distance
of more recent appropriation artists like Sherri Levine. What people
need to do instead, as Bowie implies, is recognize that these glitzy,
kitschy, easily consumable pop materials are a rich source of raw
material whose elements can be explored, played with, and otherwise
creatively transformed. Like John Zorn, Eugene Chadbourne, and several
other important Avant-pop musicians who were working at the boundaries
of jazz and pop music at about this time, Bowie showed how artists could
use "public" materials for sustained improvisational purposes. Such
materials, while normally seen as being fixed or confined in terms of
their "meaning" and arrangement, actually contain an inexhaustible
source of hidden resonances and recombinatory arrangements. In short,
Bowie had suggested how to put Avant into Pop Art.
________________________________________________________________________
McCaffery goes on to make a couple of references toward Mtv,
cartoons, and the music of NWA. In my opinion, he mistakenly overlooked
connections to industrial, techno and audio collage artists, but other
than that it's a great essay. I apologize for the length for all those
not interested, and hopefully this will spark some sort of discussion.
Matt
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