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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #226
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Zorn List Digest Monday, February 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 226
In this issue:
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vinyl
Re: Absinthe
Re: x-tzadik revue
masada song titles
Re: Absinthe
Re: Absinthe
Re: Absinthe
Scorn (Was Re: Absinthe)
Eraserhead soundtrack
Dark Ambient was (Re: Absinthe)
vinyl zorn
Zorn in Downbeat
Re: Absinthe
BANG A RECORDING INSPIRED BY ZORN AND LAWSWELL.
Re: BANG A RECORDING INSPIRED BY ZORN AND LAWSWELL.
Dave in Jazz Times and Jazziz [Re: Zorn in Downbeat]
Re: Delerue S/Ts (was: CD Questions)
Re: Jack Smith
Funny Games
Re: Funny Games
Re: Funny Games
Re: Funny Games
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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 08:35:02 -0500
From: Bob Kowalski <BKowalski@genetics.com>
Subject: vinyl
Tim wrote : "Does anyone out there know wheter Zorn is still putting
things out on vinyl (I still swear by vinyl !!!)..."
I purchased a few years back Torture Garden on lp (still sealed for a
bargain $6.) Always see Spy vs. Spy and other titles from the
Nonesuch days on lp...but haven't seen not a one Tzadik in anything but
CD.
- -=Bob=-
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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:40:49 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: Absinthe
> I've never tried Absinthe myself but it is said to seriously distort your
> sensory perception of the things around you. I'm glad someone mentioned the
> "Eraserhead" soundtrack on this list. That must be one of the most effective
> soundtracks ever. It adds enormously to the atmosphere of total disorientedness
> and isolation that the movie pervades. Does anyone know whether the soundtrack
> is available on CD?
Yes. I have a copy. It's on I.R.S. records. CD 70027.
It isn't the whole movie on CD, but two 20 minute sections, including
the lady in the radiator song, some of the Fats Waller stuff, and a
whole lotta noise.
- -jascha
- -
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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:45:53 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: x-tzadik revue
>>>>> "Scott" == Scott Handley <c123018@hotmail.com> writes:
Scott> 5. Li Chin Sung PAST (Tzad)
This opens with grandpa sawing wood, literally. I still find myself
taken aback by this, it's such an unmusical, untreated noise that
doesn't belong coming out of my speakers. But it does get musical, at
least in the sense of a bunch of interesting and not readily
identifiable sounds. Mostly shorter electroacoustic pieces.
Scott> 8. Fred Frith Anything other than the duos w/H. Kaiser
Frith has a large discography, check out www.fredfrith.com for more
complete info. His work ranges from slightly off kilter pop (the
original Ralph releases, Gravity, Sleepless, and Cheap at Half the
Price); works for dance (Top of his head, Technology of Tears), free
improv (typically with other people, including Chris Cutler, Derek
Bailey, Zorn). Early and essential work for me includes the Henry
Cow/Art Bears albums (all of them) as well as Massacre with Bill
Laswell and Fred Maher, a defining power trio for the early downtown
scene.
Scott> 10.Ikue Mori Anything, on any label (never heard her: I'm
Scott> nervous about her but so many people I respect love her; I
Scott> just need an opinion and a description, where possible)
Frith, Mori, and Kato Hideki have an interesting disk Death Ambient,
one of those where you wonder who's playing what. I'm stunned that
the same instruments created this as most garage rock trios (guitar,
bass, drums). She also has an album with two guitarists, Quine and
Ribot, Painted Desert, which I found slightly disappointing as a
whole, although it certainly has its moments. Often the combination
of just guitar & drum machine seemed a little dry, and I think I
remember reading (perhaps on this list?) that she wasn't entirely
pleased with the results.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 17:02:30 +0000
From: david thiel <thiel@buffnet.net>
Subject: masada song titles
I am wondering if anyone can tell me English translations for Masada
song titles?
- -
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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 01:39:11 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Absinthe
Julian wrote:
> I know this has probably been done many times before, but can someone
> describe Absinthe for me?
It tastes kinda like licorice, which I don't like, and it's supposed to
be deadly as well, so I tend to avoid it. It's got a nice little burn to
it, but so do other things that take a lot longer to kill you. Honestly,
I don't understand what all the fuss is about.
Oh, you meant the Zorn record?
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
(in a jocular mood after reading the Zorn vs. Miles thread -- raise your
hand if you suspect Miles never even heard of Zorn...)
>
>
> -
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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 17:45:05 -0600
From: "Marc A. Foster" <mfoster@datasync.com>
Subject: Re: Absinthe
Dark ambient music and sounds. It's very peripheral, sort of puts you in
a disconnected, distorted haze. Lots of weird, droning chords, occasional
huge bass, and Baron doing very non-Baron but still excellent percussion.
There's very little, if any, of the typical ensemble feeling you usually
get from Naked City. I can't find the words to describe it, but I
recommend it without reservation (well, unless you're depression-prone).
Here's a list of stuff that seems to come from the same general place, to
me. If you're familiar with these, it might help you decide or it might
give you some direction in finding similar stuff if you like Absinthe:
Laswell/ Harris- Somnific Flux
Peter Scherer- Cronologia
Mori/ Kato/ Frith- Death Ambient
Painkiller- ambient stuff on Burial Ground
Bill Frisell- "The Lone Ranger" on Before We Were Born
sort of, but really different, too: John Zorn- Elegy
If anyone knows of anything that fits in with what I've listed, I'd love
to hear about it. This is my favorite stuff and the list above is pretty
much all I have. Am I looking for Scorn and just don't know it yet? I
haven't heard them.
maf
Julian wrote:
> I know this has probably been done many times before, but can someone
> describe Absinthe for me?
>
> -
- -
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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 21:07:17 -0800
From: frenesi <frenesi@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Absinthe
Marc A. Foster wrote:
>
> Dark ambient music and sounds. It's very peripheral, sort of puts you in
> a disconnected, distorted haze. Lots of weird, droning chords, occasional
> huge bass, and Baron doing very non-Baron but still excellent percussion.
> There's very little, if any, of the typical ensemble feeling you usually
> get from Naked City. I can't find the words to describe it, but I
> recommend it without reservation (well, unless you're depression-prone).
> Here's a list of stuff that seems to come from the same general place, to
> me. If you're familiar with these, it might help you decide or it might
> give you some direction in finding similar stuff if you like Absinthe:
>
> Laswell/ Harris- Somnific Flux
> Peter Scherer- Cronologia
> Mori/ Kato/ Frith- Death Ambient
> Painkiller- ambient stuff on Burial Ground
> Bill Frisell- "The Lone Ranger" on Before We Were Born
> sort of, but really different, too: John Zorn- Elegy
>
> If anyone knows of anything that fits in with what I've listed, I'd love
> to hear about it. This is my favorite stuff and the list above is pretty
> much all I have. Am I looking for Scorn and just don't know it yet? I
> haven't heard them.
>
> maf
>
If you like Somnific Flux you'll love Scorn especially later Scorn such
as Ellipsis and Gyral...Laswell and Harris have put out a large
catalogue of such music under various incarnations...
- -
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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 22:16:39 PST
From: "Silent Watcher" <silent_watcher@hotmail.com>
Subject: Scorn (Was Re: Absinthe)
Am I looking for Scorn and just don't know it yet? I
>> haven't heard them.
>>
>> maf
>>
>If you like Somnific Flux you'll love Scorn especially later Scorn such
>as Ellipsis and Gyral...Laswell and Harris have put out a large
>catalogue of such music under various incarnations...
>
I don't necessarily agree with that, although I do love Somnific Flux,
and the later Scorn releases. Somnific Flux is a dark ambient album,
whereas Scorn has been very beat oriented, though still dark in some
respects, since Gyral.
SW
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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 22:59:31 -0800
From: Jason Edward Kocol <misterlazy@usa.net>
Subject: Eraserhead soundtrack
> Does anyone know whether the soundtrack
> is available on CD?
>
> Frankco.
Yes it is.
- -Jason
http://users.lanminds.com/~suburban - The s u b u r b a n Homepage
http://members.tripod.com/~misterlazy - The Music of Mister Lazy
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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 10:16:53 -0500
From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Dark Ambient was (Re: Absinthe)
Marc A. Foster wrote:
[Re: Absinthe]
>Here's a list of stuff that seems to come from the same general place, to
>me. If you're familiar with these, it might help you decide or it might
>give you some direction in finding similar stuff if you like Absinthe:
>Laswell/ Harris- Somnific Flux
>Peter Scherer- Cronologia
>Mori/ Kato/ Frith- Death Ambient
>Painkiller- ambient stuff on Burial Ground
>Bill Frisell- "The Lone Ranger" on Before We Were Born
>sort of, but really different, too: John Zorn- Elegy
>If anyone knows of anything that fits in with what I've listed, I'd love
>to hear about it. This is my favorite stuff and the list above is pretty
>much all I have.
For some excellent dark, droning, often speaker-abusing ambient along
the lines of the Laswell/Harris disc, the Painkiller material etc.
check out any of the following:
Lull (Mick Harris' solo incarnation):
Dreamt About Dreaming (Sentrax/Rawkus)
Journey Through Underworlds (Sentrax/Rawkus)
Cold Summer (Sentrax/Subharmonic/Rawkus)
Continue (Release)
Way Through Staring LP (Manifold)
Moments (Release - April '98)
Harris/Bates - "Murder Ballads (Drift)" (MMM)
Harris/Bates - "Murder Ballads (Passages)" (MMM)
Harris/Plotkin - "Collapse" (Asphodel/Sombient)
Null/Plotkin - "Aurora" (Sentrax/Rawkus)
Thomas Koner - all 4 CDs on Barooni, "Nuuk" in the Driftworks box (Big Cat)
Roland Kayn - "Tektra" 4CD (Barooni) plus his other LP sets and CDs.
Alan Lamb - "Primal Image" (Drorobo)
V/A - "Night Passage Demixed" (Ikeda/Koner/Lustmord/Gunter remix Mr. Lamb)
Controlled Bleeding - "The Poisoner" (Soleilmoon)
Lustmord:
Heresy (Soleilmoon)
The Place Where The Black Stars Hang (Side Effects)
Paradise Disowned (Side Effects)
The Monstrous Soul (Side Effects)
Stalker (w/ Robert Rich) (Fathom)
Final (Justin Broadrick):
One (Sentrax/Subharmonic/Rawkus)
Two (Sentrax/Rawkus)
Solaris (Alleysweeper)
The First Millionth Of A Second (Manifold)
Francisco Lopez:
Untitled Music for Geography (label ??)
Belle Confusion 966 (Trente Oiseaux)
Azoic Zone (Asellus/Geometrik)
Untitled 74 (Table Of The Elements)
etc. ...
Some others ...
Laswell/Inoue, Laswell/Sharp (2nd track), Death Cube K, Tactile,
Bernhard Gunter, Yen Pox, Caul, Maeror Tri, Inade, Robert Rich,
Zoviet France, Seed Mouth, Mandible Chatter, Jliat etc.
My apologies for the lack of JZ related info ...
- -Patrick
- -
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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 10:34:13 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: vinyl zorn
I actually just picked up a very mint condition vinyl copy of 'The Big
Gundown' which I may be interested in selling...
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 13:11:56 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Zorn in Downbeat
There is quite a bit of Zorny stuff in the latest Downbeat (March '98).
There is a review of Zorn/Previte's 'Euclid's Nightmare', there are two
gripes over the recent Bacharach tribute shows (one submitted by Erik
Friedlander), and there are articles on Cuong Vu and Mat Maneri and some
other stuff. Pretty good issue...
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:57:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Absinthe
On Sat, 7 Feb 1998, Marc A. Foster wrote:
> Laswell/ Harris- Somnific Flux
> Peter Scherer- Cronologia
> Mori/ Kato/ Frith- Death Ambient
> Painkiller- ambient stuff on Burial Ground
> Bill Frisell- "The Lone Ranger" on Before We Were Born
> sort of, but really different, too: John Zorn- Elegy
The second Divination album _Dead Slow_ is pretty close in feel to
_Somnific Flux_ and the ambient Painkiller mixes, although it's a bit more
beat-driven (less so than what I've heard of Scorn). Not so
coincidentally, it also features Laswell and Harris.
Chris Hamilton
- -
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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:16:18 +0000
From: david thiel <thiel@buffnet.net>
Subject: BANG A RECORDING INSPIRED BY ZORN AND LAWSWELL.
I recorded a CD of Dark Ambient collage music. If anyone is interested I
would send a copy of CD to you if you help me out with postage and
handling. I Would like people to listen to it (I have a lot of copies
left). Here is a review about the CD from a local paper - It's hard to
know where to begin. This a CD that I was expecting to be a little too
much for me to handle.Sometimes the term " experimental noise" tends to
intimidate me (as does the term "dried fruit"). BANG is brillant. Not
unlike SUN RA, Thiel is the conductor of his own universe. BANG takes
noise beyond the ear asnd turns it into a dripping three-dmensional
crayola hallucination. That is only the beginning. It leaves you with a
distinct aftertaste of every emotion, every feeling is completely
discernible to the bone.leaving the listener to slide and wade though
innocence, fear, guilt, extension, rejection, affection, enlightenment,
joy and sorrow as it mixes itself with ecstasy.-----
The review continues but I think you get the idea.
- -
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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 20:35:20 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: BANG A RECORDING INSPIRED BY ZORN AND LAWSWELL.
david thiel wrote:
>
> I recorded a CD of Dark Ambient collage music. If anyone is interested I
> would send a copy of CD to you if you help me out with postage and
> handling. I Would like people to listen to it (I have a lot of copies
> left).
A snailmail address would help!
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 00:22:09 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Dave in Jazz Times and Jazziz [Re: Zorn in Downbeat]
Tom Pratt wrote:
> There is quite a bit of Zorny stuff in the latest Downbeat (March '98).
The March Jazz Times has a fine Dave Douglas article that's worth perusing.
And some time in the coming week you'll be seeing the March Jazziz with Dave
on the cover and a review of, among other things, Tim Berne's Paraphrase
disc.
Speaking of Berne press (unsolicited plug alert!), you can see quite a lot
of it on the "Press" page of the Screwgun website, including the first
interview I've seen with Jim Black (and it's a nice one):
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/ssmith36/mainpage.htm
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:05:25 PST
From: "John Q Citizen" <alan_smithee@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Delerue S/Ts (was: CD Questions)
>From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
>Fri, 6 Feb 1998 23:05:18 +1100
>
>2. Has anyone heard the new "greatest film music" set of Georges
Delerue?
>Just wondering what films it's got on it, and whether it'd be worth
picking
>up... Speaking of Delerue, does anyone know where I could get his
>soundtrack to "Contempt"?
>
I've seen a disc (on Varese Sarabande?) of Delerue's music for films by
Francois Truffaut, but didn't know about "greatest film music".
As for "Contempt"; I'd likewise be real happy to get any details of a
disc re-issue...
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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:35:51 PST
From: "John Q Citizen" <alan_smithee@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Jack Smith
(Jack Smith gets a dedication on one of the NC Discs; either Heretic or
Grand Guignol, I fergit (and no relation to fellow dedicatee Harry))
I read on the W/E that a film of Jack Smith's, "I was a male Yvonne
Decarlo", will be screening at this year's Berlin Film Festival (right
about now, if any Deutsch listers are interested).
And I was thinking; after my posting about Les Baxter and Sun Ra, that
there's a sentimental reason why Zorn might've honoured the Baxter
complication in his year's best list. Jack Smith, a friend to the
youthful Zorn, apparently played Baxter recs as his music-of-choice in
the Arabian Nights -themed surrounds of his apartment.
I caught Jack Smith's "Flaming Creatures" a few years back; a wonderful
and corrosive thing; great proto found-sound/cut-up score using some
really snappy Tango 78s. And Smith shared the soundtrack credit with !
Tony Conrad!!
Now a friend tells me Conrad will be releasing two discs of Jack Smith's
work before very long - soundtracks, readings, etc. I'm looking forward!
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:23:24 +0100
From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
Subject: Funny Games
A review of the 1997 movie "Funny Games" by Austrian Director Michael Haneke
mentions the usage of "some very scary music by John Zorn".
More information? Is this unreleased music ?
YVes
- -
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 02:51:13 -0700
From: ¡█ªP╛╟ <shihlun@ms1.accmail.com.tw>
Subject: Re: Funny Games
At 10:23 AM 2/9/98 +0100, Yves Dewulf wrote:
>
>A review of the 1997 movie "Funny Games" by Austrian Director Michael Haneke
>mentions the usage of "some very scary music by John Zorn".
>More information? Is this unreleased music ?
That song is "Bonehead" from Naked City's 'Torture Garden'.
- -
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 02:52:47 -0700
From: ¡█ªP╛╟ <shihlun@ms1.accmail.com.tw>
Subject: Re: Funny Games
At 10:23 AM 2/9/98 +0100, Yves Dewulf wrote:
>A review of the 1997 movie "Funny Games" by Austrian Director Michael Haneke
>mentions the usage of "some very scary music by John Zorn".
>More information? Is this unreleased music ?
That song is "Bonehead" from Naked City's 'Torture Garden'.
shihlun
- -
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:03:36 +0100 (MEZ)
From: BJOERN <bjoern.eichstaedt@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
Subject: Re: Funny Games
On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Yves Dewulf wrote:
>
> A review of the 1997 movie "Funny Games" by Austrian Director Michael Haneke
> mentions the usage of "some very scary music by John Zorn".
> More information? Is this unreleased music ?
nope...this was two tracks from Torture Garden...guess one of them was
Hammerhead (not too sure)
BJOERN
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