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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #225
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Zorn List Digest Friday, February 6 1998 Volume 02 : Number 225
In this issue:
-
Buckethead
Re:angelus novus
vinyl issues ?
Re: miles vs zorn ?
Raoul Bjorkenheim/Bill Laswell collaboration
Re: Absinthe
Re: Absinthe
Re: Raoul Bjorkenheim/Bill Laswell collaboration
A column about Zorn
Re: Absinthe
Re:A column about Zorn
x-tzadik revue
Re: Absinthe
Re: Some Victo Releases...
Re: Sonic Youth / O'Rourke
Re: TV Shit
FWD:Want List
Sonic Youth/Jim O'Rourke
CD Questions
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:59:30 EST
From: FUNKADELlC@aol.com
Subject: Buckethead
so as i was sayin.......
i saw Buckethead play this past weekend twice with his new band Giant Robot
2.... it was nothing short of amazing,.....the first night was at dis place
called the Mint it was some sort of guitar premotion show.. Buckethead didnt
seem to care he came out and busted with a phat death metal set... 2 nights
later.. i seen him at a small guitar shop.. he busted with a mostly
Acoustic/jazz set with a violin player....we in LA got a treat yo.....
- -corn dog
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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 21:48:02 -0500
From: stephen drury <stevedrury@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re:angelus novus
>Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:48:51 -0500
>To: zorn-list@lists.mindspring.com
>From: stephen drury <stevedrury@mindspring.com>
>Subject: Re:angelus novus
>
>At 04:34 PM 2/3/98 -0700, you wrote:
>> btw. why not a bit more "trainspotting".....
>At around the 7'30" mark on Carny there is a repeated dissonant chord
>that sounds very much like it was taken from one of Stockhausen's
>Klavierstuckes (can't remember which one off-hand).
>
>Tom -- you're right; the chord from Stockhausen's Klav. IX is overlaid with
the chord from Bartok's "Ostinato" from, I think, the last "Mikrokosmos"
volume. Robin Maconie actually draws a parallel between the 2 pieces in his
excellent study on Stockhausen. You might also look for Berg's Chamber
Concerto, Varese, Elliott Carter, Boulez 2nd Sonata, Ives, Messiaen, Brahms,
and of course Fats Waller (along with many others) elsewhere on the CD (I
ain't sayin' where!).
>-- steve
>
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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 03:36:57 PST
From: "Tim Schelfhout" <s_tim@hotmail.com>
Subject: vinyl issues ?
Hello there,
Does anyone out there know wheter Zorn is still putting things out on
vinyl (I still swear by vinyl !!!). Maybe someone has a list of Zorn
records that appeared on vinyl and more precisely if the Zorn/Patton
collaboration 'Minor swing' was ever put out on vinyl.
Thanks
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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 09:45:39 -0300
From: "A.Bueno" <jabu@sminter.com.ar>
Subject: Re: miles vs zorn ?
A.Bueno wrote:
>
> Just founded this article.Anyone knows something about this story
> (Miles vs.Zorn)?
> A.Bueno
> >
> > http://www.theatlantic.com/atlantic/unbound/jazz/articles.htm
> >
> > Jazz in The Atlantic Monthly
> >>
> > "'Zorn' for 'Anger,'" by Francis Davis (January 1991)
> >"John Zorn is the only musician I've ever considered suing," writes Davis(Miles).
> Despite his bad boy image and the eardrum shattering volume of his live
> performances, Zorn's contribution to recent avant-garde music,
> especially his interpretations of fllm music, cannot be dismissed.
Sorry all.
I couldn`t read the article yesterday nor did i pay attention to the
writer`s name.To add more confusion i received this message from
a MILES DAVIS mailing list.Uhh!!
A.Bueno
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:20:37 EST
From: CuneiWay@aol.com
Subject: Raoul Bjorkenheim/Bill Laswell collaboration
The last time I spoke to Raoul [admittedly quite a few months ago] he was very
excited about going to NYC to do some recording/collaborative work with Bill
Laswell & Nicky Skopelitis [among others, I assume].
Other than their two collaborations on record with Paul Schutze/Phantom City,
has any stuff with Laswell or related artists been released yet? Is it
"forthcoming"?
Steve F.
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:20:35 +0100
From: "Felix" <jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Re: Absinthe
>I know this has probably been done many times before, but can someone
>describe Absinthe for me?
Weeell... The album is absolutely weird. It is also absolutely a
masterpiece. However, I advise you not to go blind-shopping on this one. The
album has not much to do with the other Naked City works, except perhaps for
the first part of Grand Guignol (and I haven't heard Heretic so I can't
compare it with this one). If you like experimental music (really
experimental) the album is perfect, it's really good. If not, you'll say the
album is nothing but crap. There's a track that seems right out of "Alien"
with the constant noise the ship makes. There are few words to describe the
album other than "weird" and "exceptional".
Felix
jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:52:01 +0100
From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
Subject: Re: Absinthe
>>I know this has probably been done many times before, but can someone
>>describe Absinthe for me?
The first time I listened to this it was like sets of just ambient noises
put together, it was not bad but I was not so impressed by it.
Then I used it in my walkman for a long walk to my work on some
misty morning.
I was amazed. It sounded like the over-amplification of environmental noises
(breathing, heart-beats, wind, water) in way a person gets mad/obsessed
by just listening to these noises (see also the haunting soundtrack
of "Eraserhead"). I know some drugs can stimulate the senses
and maybe that's the connection to the title of the piece "Absinthe"
and the drug-abuse by 19th century poets
(Verlaine, mentionned in one of the titles,Baudelaire, Poe,...)
Just a guess,
YVes
-
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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 06:35:15 -0800
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Raoul Bjorkenheim/Bill Laswell collaboration
At 08:20 AM 2/5/98 EST, CuneiWay@aol.com wrote:
>The last time I spoke to Raoul [admittedly quite a few months ago] he was
very
>excited about going to NYC to do some recording/collaborative work with=
Bill
>Laswell & Nicky Skopelitis [among others, I assume].
>
>Other than their two collaborations on record with Paul Schutze/Phantom=
City,
>has any stuff with Laswell or related artists been released yet? Is it
>"forthcoming"?=20
There is a Raoul Bj=F6rkenheim/Nicky Skopelitis recording, produced by Bill,
that has been made. It is done through the mastering process and was
supposed to come out on Douglas, but it does not appear that Douglas will
release it. There should be a label announcement someday.=20
It is a beautiful recording, by the way.
B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com
Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html
Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:39:36 -0500
From: "Simon Thibaudeau" <aag017@agora.ulaval.ca>
Subject: A column about Zorn
Hi,
I'm sorry to use this list for my better interest but it is zorn related
so...
I am the editor of a fanzine and i would like somebody to wirte for me
about the influence of John Zorn on today's music. Since my knowledge of
Zorn is limited for now, I feel that I am not ready to write such a column.
This column should be long ramblings about how great Zorn is, how he
influenced the different types of music and the people he worked with. Since
my 'zine is a metal one it sould not be expected that people know who is Sun
Ra or Miles Davis.
Anybody interested please contact me personnally
P.S.:Please don't expect any money out of this
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:09:25 +0100
From: flamerik@best.ms.philips.com
Subject: Re: Absinthe
Yves wrote:
> The first time I listened to this it was like sets of just ambient noises
> put together, it was not bad but I was not so impressed by it.
I had the same feeling, except that I was duly impressed by the track that
sounds like an earthquake. Even a very low volume, the glasses in my cupboard
started to shake, and the sounds were very visceral. I've only bought the
album recently, though, years after all the other Naked City albums.
> I was amazed. It sounded like the over-amplification of environmental noises
> (breathing, heart-beats, wind, water) in way a person gets mad/obsessed
> by just listening to these noises (see also the haunting soundtrack
> of "Eraserhead"). I know some drugs can stimulate the senses
> and maybe that's the connection to the title of the piece "Absinthe"
> and the drug-abuse by 19th century poets
> (Verlaine, mentionned in one of the titles,Baudelaire, Poe,...)
I've never tried Absinthe myself but it is said to seriously distort your
sensory perception of the things around you. I'm glad someone mentioned the
"Eraserhead" soundtrack on this list. That must be one of the most effective
soundtracks ever. It adds enormously to the atmosphere of total disorientedness
and isolation that the movie pervades. Does anyone know whether the soundtrack
is available on CD?
Frankco.
- -
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:31:22 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: Re:A column about Zorn
I'd love to do a column, except that I don't think Zorn has influenced modern
music yet, beyond the group of people he hangs with, or what he's done with
Avant and Tzadik as far as making more different musics available. I think in
ten to twenty years, you'll see a whole group of folks who've really been
inspired by Zorn, but for now it's too early.
Unless I'm missing something, which could be the case.
That's my two cents.
Peter
- -
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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 15:39:04 PST
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: x-tzadik revue
To those with time:
I am still a relative newbie to the impossibly-funded, ever-growing
world of Tzadik Records (that is,I have less than a dozen, and most are
Zorn albums). At this point, it occurs to me that Mr Zorn must be RICH,
or perhaps he still receives big-ass production royalties from the
Bungle record, or maybe the Elektra records really blew up. I do know
that he must spend six times what I do on music and other media, and I'm
always broke. So I conclude: the man is a rock star in his own right.
And dammit, better him than Baby Spice.
Does anyone know the "story" of Tzadik records? I hear their staff
equals three people and some part-time occasional help.
Pardon: digression. Now, the meat of the matter---for those of you who
can spare the time, could you pass along opinions to me of a handful of
albums? Feel free to E-mail me, of course, since several are old(er) and
have probably been discussed many times already, and I wouldn't want to
waste space (I know you guys can't tell based on these posts.
1. Two really fascinating Elliot Sharp records (any label)
2. Zubi Zuva JEHOVAH (Tzad)
3. Makigami Koichi KUCHINOHA (Tzad)
4. Arnold Dreyblatt ANIMAL MAGNETISM (Tzad)
5. Li Chin Sung PAST (Tzad)
6. Anthony Coleman SELFHATERS (Tzad)
7. Nana Vasconcelos the film music album (?) (Tzad)
8. Fred Frith Anything other than the duos w/H. Kaiser
9. Frank London
10.Ikue Mori Anything, on any label (never heard her: I'm nervous
about her but so many people I respect love her; I just
need an opinion and a description, where possible)
11.Does anyone have TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LUNGS or PAKISTANI POMADE?
Please e-mail me.
12. Saint Genet Himself PARACHUTE YEARS box (too much of the same
thing, or tour de force? You decide.)
13. Anything interesting you'd like to share (Where I'm at, Tool is
cutting edge; I'm happy when you cats proselytize.)
And if these long notes or personal-favors questions are pissing anyone
off, please let me know. I don't intend to impose too bad.
It's my party, baby, and it freaks me out,
Scott H
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:00:04 -0500
From: philz <zampino@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Absinthe
>Yves wrote:
>
>I've never tried Absinthe myself but it is said to seriously distort your
>sensory perception of the things around you. I'm glad someone mentioned the
>"Eraserhead" soundtrack on this list. That must be one of the most effective
>soundtracks ever. It adds enormously to the atmosphere of total
>disorientedness
>and isolation that the movie pervades. Does anyone know whether the soundtrack
>is available on CD?
Eraserhead: Original Soundtrack
IRS CD70027
I don't know if the cd is still in print (I'd guess not) or what year it
came out, but it's a wonderful thing...
philz
- -
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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 01:20:31 -0500
From: Valkwitch <valk@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: Some Victo Releases...
David J. Keffer wrote:
>
> >I've been hearing a lot about the _Victo_ record label lately yet I've
> >never actually seen any albums on it. I'm told that there is a Fushitsusha
> >live album and a Gastr del Sol album available (presumably recorded at the
> >festival). Does anyone have any info about the label. I'd like to get my
> >hands on both of these titles.
> >Jesse
>
> Recently there have been some releases on Victo of Live performances
> from Festival International de Musique Actuelle Victoriaville, Canada 1997.
> There is one with Fushitsusha but I don't think it's out yet. February
> or March for that. I also haven't heard of any Gastr del sol on Victo.
> There are a couple of older Victo discs with O'Rourke
> "Tomorrow Knows Where you live" Henry Kaiser & Jim O'Rourke 1992
> "Acoustics" Henry Kaiser, Jim O'Rourke, John Oswald, and Mari Kimura 1994
> (These are both group improv discs) and a new one from the 1997 Festival
> "Clouds" Lee Ranaldo, Gianni Gebbia, William Hooker, O'Rourke 1998.
> Haven't heard it.
>
> Anyway, Forced Exposure stocks the Victo catalog as does Verge distribution
> in Canada.
>
> David K.
>
> -
yes, a good thing is to check forced exposure for some of the Victo
releases, probably not all of them are there though...
the only Victo release i own is "piece for jetsun dolma" which is
thurston moore along w/ drummers/percussionists william winnant and tom
surgal (Victo #45).a catalog list of releases 1-45 is included inside,
so now its probably outdated, anyways here are some of the artists:
1- fred frith/rene lussier
2- anthony braxton/derek bailey
3- richard teitelbaum/carlos zingaro
6- marilyn crispell
7- anthony braxton
8- barre phillips
11- roscoe mitchell
12- marilyn crispell quintet
14- jim o'rourke/henry kaiser
18- zeena parkins
19- elliott sharp/carbon orchrestra
21- anthony braxton quartet
22- plimley/ellis/bendian
25- kaiser/kimura/o'rourke/oswald
26- elliott sharp/zeena parkins
31- keith tippett
32- charles gayle
36- rene lussier & the now orchrestra
41- phil minton quartet
44- elliot sharp/zeena parkins
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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 01:30:36 -0500
From: Valkwitch <valk@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: Sonic Youth / O'Rourke
tricky88@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> Felix said:
> >
> > As anyone out there ever heard the album TV Shit with Yamantaka Eye and
> > Sonic Youth? If so, how's it like?
>
> This post reminded me of the new Sonic Youth I heard this weekend - I DJ
> at a pirate L.A. station on Fridays and the DJ before me is Mike Watt.
> Last Friday I'm driving in and he has a guest DJ on - Thurston Moore -
> who is playing the latest instrumental SY EP (vol. 3). I found the
> first two a bit boring, but this one is co-credited to Jim O'Rourke; 3
> songs, about 50 minutes of music, and really interesting stuff. I don't
> think it has been released yet, but all fans of either musician(s)
> should check it out.
> -Mauer
>
> -
this is now available mail order only, through SYR(sonic youth
records), or more so steve shelley's smells like records, $8 not
including postage...retail release should be any time this month...
haven't listened to it yet but its supposedly pretty quiet as compared
to the first two syr eps, the 1st track is roughly 23 minutes, the 2nd
is about 6, and the last is about 30 minutes...
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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 01:34:34 -0500
From: Valkwitch <valk@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: TV Shit
Peter Cline wrote:
>
> On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, Felix wrote:
>
> > As anyone out there ever heard the album TV Shit with Yamantaka Eye and
> > Sonic Youth? If so, how's it like?
> >
> > BTW, I'm new to the list and I worship John Zorn's music (but then again,
> > don't we all?)
> >
> > Felix, who is realising that most of the good musical artists come from New
> > York.
> > jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt
> >
> This cd I found to be rather uninteresting and disappointing. It is only
> 9 minutes long and I had expected much more from such a collaboration.
> But hey they can't all be gems.
yep, this is ep is like an extreme-boredoms-like
scream/noisefest...good to annoy the neighbors...
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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 01:49:06 -0700 MST
From: sasanborn@micron.com
Subject: FWD:Want List
---------- Start of forwarded message ----------
Message# 639249
Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:01:50 -0700 MST
From: SASANBORN
To: SASANBORN
Subject: Want List
Hi there. I'm really interested in checking out some musick by the following
bands listed below, I know not all of them would be considered the style of
this list, but if anybody out there has any of this and could maybe swap me
a tape of some, or just give me a description of what the group is like, I'd
be most appreciative. Thanx. You can email me at sasanborn@micron.com
Asha Vida
Azusa Plane
Bevis Frond
Electric Frankenstein
Faust
Flying Saucer Attack
Fretless AZM
Fuxa
Ghost
Glide
Keiji Haino-Fushitsusha
High Rise
The Joykiller
Legendary Pink Dots ( I've only got 2 of their cd's)
Manic Street Preachers
Ruins
Saints
7% Solution
Transient Waves
Wesley Willis
YBO2-Alienation
Yellow Magic Orchestra
Zodiac
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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 02:49:32 -0800
From: Todd Bramy <tbramy@oz.net>
Subject: Sonic Youth/Jim O'Rourke
Release date for SYR 3 is March 2.
Todd Bramy
tbramy@oz.net
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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 23:05:18 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: CD Questions
1. Has anyone seen Z-Rock Hawaii by Ween/Eye or Sacrifist by Praxis
anywhere on CD lately? (or alternatively, does anyone have a copy of either
that they would like to sell?)
2. Has anyone heard the new "greatest film music" set of Georges Delerue?
Just wondering what films it's got on it, and whether it'd be worth picking
up... Speaking of Delerue, does anyone know where I could get his
soundtrack to "Contempt"?
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