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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #224
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, February 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 224
In this issue:
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Re: Liner Notes
Re: Liner Notes
Re: TV Shit
Re: Osaka Bondage [film] and beyond
hat ART
Re: Alan Gordon
Bible Launcher
Re: Bible Launcher
Victo May, 1997 Releases
Ribot`s cubanos
Re: hat ART
Re: Bible Launcher
Re: Bible Launcher
miles vs zorn ?
Re: Bible Launcher -> Bob Larson?
Re: vandermark&the chicago scene
Re: vandermark&the chicago scene
Re: miles vs zorn ?
Re: miles vs zorn ?
Alan Gordon
Re: miles vs zorn ?
Re: vandermark&the chicago scene
Absinthe
Re: Absinthe
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:23:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Keldon Drudge <kdrudge@julian.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: Liner Notes
On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Geoff S Gersh wrote:
>
> I don't see how one can be annoyed by Zorn's self written liner
> notes.....its very rare for Zorn to do interviews and talk about his
neither do i...they're hilarious.
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 15:33:28 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Liner Notes
On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:23:15 -0500 (EST) Keldon Drudge wrote:
>
> On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Geoff S Gersh wrote:
> >
> > I don't see how one can be annoyed by Zorn's self written liner
> > notes.....its very rare for Zorn to do interviews and talk about his
>
> neither do i...they're hilarious.
If Zorn was a complete joker, I guess I would be annoyed at them. Being
the over-achiever he is, I am ready to be indulgent :-). In fact, I don't
even have to be indulgent because I agree with what he writes, and the
way he judges his music.
True, we are not used to artists judging their own music in such a
shameless way, and expect other (critics, journalists, etc) to do that.
In the case of Zorn it is pretty clear that he does not really care what
journalists think of his music.
Patrice.
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:52:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Peter Cline <pmc7288@is.nyu.edu>
Subject: Re: TV Shit
On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, Felix wrote:
> As anyone out there ever heard the album TV Shit with Yamantaka Eye and
> Sonic Youth? If so, how's it like?
>
> BTW, I'm new to the list and I worship John Zorn's music (but then again,
> don't we all?)
>
> Felix, who is realising that most of the good musical artists come from New
> York.
> jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt
>
This cd I found to be rather uninteresting and disappointing. It is only
9 minutes long and I had expected much more from such a collaboration.
But hey they can't all be gems.
- -Peter
- -
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:53:30 PST
From: "John Q Citizen" <alan_smithee@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Osaka Bondage [film] and beyond
>
>On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, Doug McKay wrote:
>
>> Osaka Bondage - A film by Henry Hills with music by Naked City.
>
>I may be misremembering, but I believe this is one of the Naked City
songs
>Hills did a video for. So this may just be a music video. (Lots of
cutup
>footage from actual Japanese bondage films if it's the one I'm thinking
>of.)
>
Someone on the list was collecting information about film scores by
various downtowners. They still out there?
Anyway; Hills has produced 'filmclips' for at least three NC tunes:
"Igneous Ejaculation" and "Batman" be the others. There may be another
one - check the notes to Filmworks 6 (w. Zorn's score for Hills'
"Mechanics Of The Brain") for more info.
Last year, a couple people posted info about a screening by Hills at New
Yorks Anthology Film Archives. Did anyone go to that? Like; post some
more info if you did...
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 01:55:18 -0500 (EST)
From: jdschone@sas.upenn.edu (John D Schonewolf)
Subject: hat ART
Dear Listservers,
I want to thank everyone for the recent Braxton discussion, as I have
gained a new insight into his work and some good recommendations. I have
noticed that Mr. Braxton has put out many CDs on the hat ART label, and
what I am wondering is how I can purchase albums from this label? Is
there a web site? Is there an address I can write to for a catalog?
Thanks for any information on this. Also, I was wondering if anyone can
give their thoughts on the Braxton album of Tristano compositions. Sounds
interesting. Well, that is enough rambling for now.
Go Flyers!!!!
Jack Schonewolf
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 23:40:00 PST
From: "John Q Citizen" <alan_smithee@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Alan Gordon
Oh, unnh; sorry to spam y'all, but I've lost Alan Gordon's e-mail tag,
and wanted to in touch with him.
You out there Alan?
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 02:57:21 EST
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Bible Launcher
I was wondering if anyone here had heard the self titled CD by Bible Launcher
on the Radical House label. John Zorn had this to say about the group/CD:
"A classic lease-breaker. Screeching guitars, free jazz saxophones, preaching
evangelists, and moaning porno stars. Blasphemy, sonic ejaculations, and other
horrible noise."
Sounds interesting, eh? Any info would be appreciated. BTW, the URL for the
label is:
<< http://www.radhs.com/label.html >>
np: Hafler Trio- A Thirsty Fish
=dgasque=
- -
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:15:46 +0100
From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
Subject: Re: Bible Launcher
I'm glad there's finally a reissue of the "Bible Launcher"-CD,
it took me a lot of luck to track down a copy of the original (deleted)
"bible launcher" on tzadik, an I must say it's one of my favorite discs.
It is THE cd to amaze your friends.
There are about 30 tracks on it between 14 seconds and 5 minutes.
Most of them are recordings of evangelists preaching or recordings of
"spiritual" radio-shows (I was told most samples were taken from a CD with
fake telephone-calls to an American hard-core religious radio-program:
you can e.g. hear a telephone-call asking the preacher/host
for "a good Christian Abortionist" ), where funk/metal/free-jazz/noise
was added.
It reminds me of "The Jezebel Spirit" on the "My life in the Bush of Ghosts"-
disc of Byrne/Eno, it comes also close to some Mr.Buggle or Naked City pieces.
So get this record, before it disappears again.
YVes
P.S. The website mentions a "Bible Launcher II" CD on Tzadik !
It was due out in October '97.
Does anybody know more about this ?
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 07:26:16 -0500
From: "David J. Keffer" <keffer@shell.planetc.com>
Subject: Victo May, 1997 Releases
>I've been hearing a lot about the _Victo_ record label lately yet I've
>never actually seen any albums on it. I'm told that there is a Fushitsusha
>live album and a Gastr del Sol album available (presumably recorded at the
>festival). Does anyone have any info about the label. I'd like to get my
>hands on both of these titles.
>Jesse
Recently there have been some releases on Victo of Live performances
from Festival International de Musique Actuelle Victoriaville, Canada 1997.
There is one with Fushitsusha but I don't think it's out yet. February
or March for that. I also haven't heard of any Gastr del sol on Victo.
There are a couple of older Victo discs with O'Rourke
"Tomorrow Knows Where you live" Henry Kaiser & Jim O'Rourke 1992
"Acoustics" Henry Kaiser, Jim O'Rourke, John Oswald, and Mari Kimura 1994
(These are both group improv discs) and a new one from the 1997 Festival
"Clouds" Lee Ranaldo, Gianni Gebbia, William Hooker, O'Rourke 1998.
Haven't heard it.
Anyway, Forced Exposure stocks the Victo catalog as does Verge distribution
in Canada.
David K.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 09:24:57 -0300
From: "A.Bueno" <jabu@sminter.com.ar>
Subject: Ribot`s cubanos
Can anybody of you tell me which musicians play in Marc Ribot`s
"Los Cubanos" group?.
Thank you A.Bueno
- -
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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 08:31:39 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: hat ART
At 01:55 AM 2/4/98 -0500, John D Schonewolf wrote:
>what I am wondering is how I can purchase albums from this label? Is
>there a web site? Is there an address I can write to for a catalog?
>Thanks for any information on this.
Cadence stocks the Hat label, http://www.cadencebuilding.com.
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@interagp.com
cdeupree@erinet.com
Computers are useless; they can only give you answers
- -- Pablo Picasso
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:04:19 -0600
From: "PETSITTER" <PETSITTER@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Bible Launcher
- ----------
> From: Dgasque@aol.com
> To: zorn-list@xmission.com
> Subject: Bible Launcher
> Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 1:57 AM
>
> I was wondering if anyone here had heard the self titled CD by Bible
Launcher
> on the Radical House label. John Zorn had this to say about the
group/CD:
>
> "A classic lease-breaker. Screeching guitars, free jazz saxophones,
preaching
> evangelists, and moaning porno stars. Blasphemy, sonic ejaculations, and
other
> horrible noise."
>
> Sounds interesting, eh? Any info would be appreciated. BTW, the URL for
the
> label is:
>
> << http://www.radhs.com/label.html >>
>
>Yes, very interesting! I would like to order this CD, but does anyone
know if this web site is reliable for ordering?
Thank you
Jeff
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 08:55:12 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Bible Launcher
On Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:15:46 +0100 Yves Dewulf wrote:
>
>
> I'm glad there's finally a reissue of the "Bible Launcher"-CD,
> it took me a lot of luck to track down a copy of the original (deleted)
> "bible launcher" on tzadik, an I must say it's one of my favorite discs.
> It is THE cd to amaze your friends.
>
> There are about 30 tracks on it between 14 seconds and 5 minutes.
> Most of them are recordings of evangelists preaching or recordings of
> "spiritual" radio-shows (I was told most samples were taken from a CD with
> fake telephone-calls to an American hard-core religious radio-program:
> you can e.g. hear a telephone-call asking the preacher/host
> for "a good Christian Abortionist" ), where funk/metal/free-jazz/noise
> was added.
> It reminds me of "The Jezebel Spirit" on the "My life in the Bush of Ghosts"-
> disc of Byrne/Eno, it comes also close to some Mr.Buggle or Naked City pieces.
>
> So get this record, before it disappears again.
>
> YVes
>
> P.S. The website mentions a "Bible Launcher II" CD on Tzadik !
> It was due out in October '97.
> Does anybody know more about this ?
There were rumors that the CD would be edited and reissued. But since the
catalog number of BIBLE LAUNCHER has been taken by Ken Butler's VOICES OF ANXIOUS
OBJECTS, I am wondering if the record will ever be reissued.
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 14:24:20 -0300
From: "A.Bueno" <jabu@sminter.com.ar>
Subject: miles vs zorn ?
Just founded this article.Anyone knows something about this story
(Miles vs.Zorn)?
A.Bueno
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/atlantic/unbound/jazz/articles.htm
>
> Jazz in The Atlantic Monthly
>>
> "'Zorn' for 'Anger,'" by Francis Davis (January 1991)
>"John Zorn is the only musician I've ever considered suing," writes Davis(Miles).
Despite his bad boy image and the eardrum shattering volume of his live
performances, Zorn's contribution to recent avant-garde music,
especially his interpretations of fllm music, cannot be dismissed.
- -
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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 11:57:43 -0600
From: JRZ <zube@winternet.com>
Subject: Re: Bible Launcher -> Bob Larson?
At 10:15 AM 2/4/98 +0100, Yves Dewulf wrote:
>
>
>There are about 30 tracks on it between 14 seconds and 5 minutes.
>Most of them are recordings of evangelists preaching or recordings of
>"spiritual" radio-shows (I was told most samples were taken from a CD with
>fake telephone-calls to an American hard-core religious radio-program:
>you can e.g. hear a telephone-call asking the preacher/host
> for "a good Christian Abortionist" ), where funk/metal/free-jazz/noise
> was added.
Is the preacher Bob Larson? He's hilarious.
If you believe the Star Wars trilogy is the work of the devil and want to
hear why or if you're interested in hearing an extensive account of Bob
performing an exorcism he's your man. If not, he's endlessly hilarious.
Some guys made a disc of prank calls to his (and other fundamentalist
wackos) talk shows. This is probably the disc that was sampled. I think
it's called "Radio Jihad".
Here's a link to a (tongue and cheek) fan site.
http://www.cris.com/~ranger57/larsondx.htm
It's got links to where you can still hear his show (he's under heavy fire
from non-christians and christians alike). Heartily entertaining and a
great waste of time.
zube
my tapelist http://www.winternet.com/~zube/tapelist.htm
Look at Jim Evans, Look at his head, He's got a compass, and a rollaway
bed! - HGB
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:14:56 -0600 (CST)
From: "Wilson, King of Prussia" <Kingwil@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: vandermark&the chicago scene
>On Mon, 02 Feb 1998 08:43:56 PST "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
>writes:
>>Okay, okay, I'm REALLY sorry to be liar, but I'd thought I'd ask once
>>real freakin kwik if anyone here has listened to some of the new
>>"jazz"
>>etc. coming out of Chicago?
>
>
>Dennison/Kimball Trio! Indie-Rock giants play some sort of Jazz,
>and do it well. Duane Dennison rules.
>They've put out a single with Vandermark and jim O'Rourke.
>And..There's only two of 'em in the trio, clever!
Actually, Vandermark joined them a few months back, and now they are
called the DKV trio.......
read icculus
- -
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:00:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: vandermark&the chicago scene
On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, Wilson, King of Prussia wrote:
> >Dennison/Kimball Trio! Indie-Rock giants play some sort of Jazz,
> >and do it well. Duane Dennison rules.
> >They've put out a single with Vandermark and jim O'Rourke.
> >And..There's only two of 'em in the trio, clever!
>
> Actually, Vandermark joined them a few months back, and now they are
> called the DKV trio.......
as confusing as it may seem, dkv trio is an entirely different group -
hamid drake, ken kessler and ken vandermark.
b
- -
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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 14:42:43 -0600
From: JRZ <zube@winternet.com>
Subject: Re: miles vs zorn ?
At 02:24 PM 2/4/98 -0300, you wrote:
>Just founded this article.Anyone knows something about this story
>(Miles vs.Zorn)?
Miles won by TKO in the 7th round. Zorn's youth could not make up for Miles
boxing experience.
my tapelist http://www.winternet.com/~zube/tapelist.htm
Look at Jim Evans, Look at his head, He's got a compass, and a rollaway
bed! - HGB
- -
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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 12:55:18 -0800
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: miles vs zorn ?
At 02:42 PM 2/4/98 -0600, JRZ wrote:
>At 02:24 PM 2/4/98 -0300, you wrote:
>>Just founded this article.Anyone knows something about this story
>>(Miles vs.Zorn)?
>
>Miles won by TKO in the 7th round. Zorn's youth could not make up for Miles
>boxing experience.
I think it is easier to swing a trumpet than a saxophone. Properly aimed,
the blow can be much more effective. This makes me wonder why it was a TKO.
Jeff Spirer
Axiom Records: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html
- -
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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 21:20:58 +0000
From: Scott Russell <srussell@cims.co.uk>
Subject: Alan Gordon
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Earlier this evening John Q Citizen posted a message with Alan Gordon in
the subject field. Unfortunately I can't read anything from Mr Citizen
(nor a few other list contributors, many of whom seem to be resident at
our friends AOL anyone got any ideas on this?) however I do know an Alan
Gordon. Could someone who can read this message forward it to me.
Thanks in advance
Scott Russell
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- -
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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 15:19:43 -0600
From: JRZ <zube@winternet.com>
Subject: Re: miles vs zorn ?
At 12:55 PM 2/4/98 -0800, Jeff Spirer wrote:
>At 02:42 PM 2/4/98 -0600, JRZ wrote:
>>At 02:24 PM 2/4/98 -0300, you wrote:
>>>Just founded this article.Anyone knows something about this story
>>>(Miles vs.Zorn)?
>>
>>Miles won by TKO in the 7th round. Zorn's youth could not make up for Miles
>>boxing experience.
>
>I think it is easier to swing a trumpet than a saxophone. Properly aimed,
>the blow can be much more effective. This makes me wonder why it was a TKO.
The sax makes a great defensive weapon. Miles was never able fully connect
with his patented trumpet uppercut.
Just looked at the article. The law suit comment was by the author of the
article 'Francis Davis'. A Miles article was featured above the Zorn one. I
was duped also after a quick glance. Miles was NOT the one who considered
suing Zorn.
bye now
zube
my tapelist http://www.winternet.com/~zube/tapelist.htm
Look at Jim Evans, Look at his head, He's got a compass, and a rollaway
bed! - HGB
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 20:31:44 -0500
From: Alan E Kayser <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: Re: vandermark&the chicago scene
Alan E Kayser wrote:
> Wilson, King of Prussia wrote:
>
> > >Dennison/Kimball Trio! Indie-Rock giants play some sort of
> > Jazz,
> > >and do it well. Duane Dennison rules.
> > >They've put out a single with Vandermark and jim O'Rourke.
> > >And..There's only two of 'em in the trio, clever!
> >
> > Actually, Vandermark joined them a few months back, and now they
> are
> >
> > called the DKV trio.......
> >
> > read
>
> > icculus
> >
>
> Nope, DKV is Hamid Drake, Kent Kessler, and Vandermark. They have two
>
> cds. One is "Baraka" the other was recorded live on December 26,
> 1996.
> They are on the Okka lable, the live one being a limited edition of
> only
> 600. Buy it if you can find it.
>
> Alan Kayser
>
> > -
- -
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:24:05 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Absinthe
I know this has probably been done many times before, but can someone
describe Absinthe for me?
- -
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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 20:38:55 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: Absinthe
Julian wrote:
>
> I know this has probably been done many times before, but can someone
> describe Absinthe for me?
It was described to me as ambient, though it's closer to, say, the
Frith/Mori/Hideki Death Ambient. The music is pretty steady-state, with
lots of usually quiet noise and few of their signature jumpcuts. Zorn
even does quite a satisfactory wordless vocal on one track.
I got it about 3 weeks ago and have listened to it almost every day
since. Grab it!
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