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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #223
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, February 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 223
In this issue:
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re: victo jazz festival
Re[2]: EXECUTION GROUND out?
Otomo Yoshihide
Re: victo label
Re[2]: victo label
Re: vandermark&the chicago scene
Re: Re[2]: EXECUTION GROUND out?
re: victo jazz festival
Re: Mystic Fugu Orchestra
Re: Re[2]: EXECUTION GROUND out?
Re: Braxton
Re: Mystic Fugu Orchestra
Liner Notes
Re: victo label
Re: aaarrggghh (angelus novus)
Re: aaarrggghh (angelus novus)
Re: Liner Notes
Re: Liner Notes
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:14:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Ethan <eclauset@webslingerZ.com>
Subject: re: victo jazz festival
does anyone have any more information on may's victoriaville jazz
festival? I've scoured the web and haven't come up with anything other
than the dates. looking for ticket info, directions, etc.
ethan
eclauset@webslingerz.com
- -
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:15:19 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: Re[2]: EXECUTION GROUND out?
> Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>> What is strange is that it is a 3xCD, and not a 4xCD. It does not seem
>> that
>> the first two Pain Killer are on the set...
>>
>> Did Tzakik change their mind or is Verge just using an old description
>> of
>> the set?
>
> I'd guess the latter... it's listed as a four CD set in the February Koch
> book
> and the lineups for the first two albums are listed on the page... I'm
> still
> kinda wondering why they didn't also include the live set with Heino from
> Toy's
> Factory.
> Steve Smith
I disinctly remember reading on the Tzadik site that they had included it.
Unless it was a different live disc.
Anyway, the first disc was the first two albums, then the remaining three were
basically the three discs from the Toy's Factory release.
Am I wrong here?
Hasn't anyone bought it yet who could let us know for sure?
Peter
- -
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:12:26 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: Otomo Yoshihide
I just picked up OY's Memory Disorder Volume 3 on Gentle Giant records for three
bucks at a used CD shop on a whim. There's no info on the other volumes or
anything really.
I was wondering if someone could tell me what the album is actually called
Solo Works? Memory Disorder Vol 3? Sound Factory 1997?
And maybe point me to a web page or something that might contain history or
interviews or discographies.
Mainly, I'm lookin' for information on this Otomo Yoshihide guy.
Can anyone help?
THanks,
peter
- -
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:21:06 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: victo label
>>>>> "Jesse" == Jesse Simon <umsimo10@cc.UManitoba.CA> writes:
Jesse> I've been hearing a lot about the _Victo_ record label
Jesse> lately yet I've never actually seen any albums on it. I'm
Jesse> told that there is a Fushitsusha live album and a Gastr del
Jesse> Sol album available (presumably recorded at the
Jesse> festival). Does anyone have any info about the label. I'd
Jesse> like to get my hands on both of these titles.
A number of web-order places stock the Victo label, including but not
limited to Forced Exposure and Wayside. However, I don't see anything
by either of these two artists on that label.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:48:22 -0000
From: "allen j huotari" <zmasada@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re[2]: victo label
> Jesse> told that there is a Fushitsusha live album and a Gastr del
> Jesse> Sol album available (presumably recorded at the
> Jesse> festival). Does anyone have any info about the label. I'd
> Jesse> like to get my hands on both of these titles.
>
>A number of web-order places stock the Victo label, including but not
>limited to Forced Exposure and Wayside. However, I don't see anything
>by either of these two artists on that label.
>
perhaps these are upcoming releases?
didn' t both bands play Victo last year?
ajh
- -
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:38:42 -0600
From: Joe Germuska <j-germuska@nwu.edu>
Subject: Re: vandermark&the chicago scene
>Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 08:43:56 PST
>From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
>Subject: vandermark&the chicago scene
>
>Okay, okay, I'm REALLY sorry to be liar, but I'd thought I'd ask once
>real freakin kwik if anyone here has listened to some of the new "jazz"
>etc. coming out of Chicago? I find much of it is easily as fertile as
>the Downtown thing and very different! The relevance to this list is
>that the saxophonist Ken Vandermark, who is a beautiful raging monster
>of a musician, will be on the new Joe Morris album on Knitfac. Also,
>Chicago cellist Fred Lonberg-Holm, who played with God Is My Co-Pilot,
>is on the first SElfhaters record. And if you haven't heard Mars
>Williams or the NRG Ensemble you need to bad.
Of course, Mars Williams locked up the NYC connection when he recorded on
the Waitresses' hit single back in the early 80's!
For those interested, I manage a mailing list somewhat like this one for
discussion of the verily fertile Chicago jazz scene. Check out
<http://wnur.nwu.edu/lists/> for info about it and the other regional lists
we sponsor. You can browse the archives online as well...
I saw Vandermark with the DKV trio on Friday night. When this group
finally comes to visit y'all in NYC, your ears will spin. You should start
asking your local venues what they are waiting for. Or take a weekend
jaunt to Chicago next time they play (or Grand Rapids, Michigan this
Friday! :-)
Mars Williams has a newish group called Slam (also including Kent Kessler,
the "K" of DKV), which I think fits solidly into a genre with Naked City.
It's not as jumpy, but it has a comparable energy and rock sensibility. It
might be almost too accessible for a lot of Zorn fans, but it's credible
music. As far as I know, they've only recorded one sixty-second track for
a single of sixty-second tracks.
Back to DKV, "Baraka" is nice, but the limited edition (600 copies) live
album released by Okka Disk at the same time is closer to what I love about
the group. You can probably get it at the Okka web site
<http://www.okkadisk.com/>
Oh, and speaking of Hamid Drake, he connects back through to this list via
an intermittent relationship with Bill Laswell. Hamid has worked with
Pharoah Sanders, Foday Musa Suso, and Maleem Mahmoud Ghania...
whoops - meant to send this yesterday, so I'll wrap it up now!
Joe
* Joe Germuska {j-germuska@nwu.edu} | Learning Technologies Group
<http://www.nwu.edu/people/j-germuska> | Northwestern University
"Two monks were arguing about a flag. One said, 'The flag is moving.' The other
said, 'The wind is moving.' The sixth patriarch happened to be passing by. He
told them, 'Not the wind, not the flag; mind is moving.'" - The Gateless Gate
- -
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:03:53 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw <beuchaw@enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: EXECUTION GROUND out?
On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 peter_risser@cinfin.com wrote:
> I disinctly remember reading on the Tzadik site that they had included
> it (Haino's set). Unless it was a different live disc. Anyway, the
> first disc was the first two albums, then the remaining three were
> basically the three discs from the Toy's Factory release.
> Am I wrong here?
Here's what Tzadik's website has to say about it:
PAINKILLER - The Complete Studio Recordings: Guts of a Virgin, Buried
Secrets & Execution Ground
Featuring: John Zorn, Bill Laswell, Mick Harris, Yamataka Eye, Justin
Broadrick, G.C. Green.
An historical reissue released in cooperation with Earache Records. Out
of print for years - with most of the material being released domestically
for the first time. PainKiller is Bill Laswell, Mick Harris & John Zorn,
and this special 4CD package is the ultimate PainKiller document:
The complete studio recordings, with all of the original booklets and
artwork intact - uncensored and uncompromising, from their classical (sic)
release of 1991 Guts Of A Virgin, to Buried Secrets (featuring members of
Godflesh) and their 1994 masterpiece Execution Ground. In addition to all
of their blistering studio pieces and extended ambient remixes is included
a ferocious live performance from Osaka, Japan that captures the band at
the height of its powers. Drawing equally from the tradition of jazz,
hardcore punk, dub, ambient and much more, PainKiller has created some of
the most intense music you're ever likely to hear, enclosed in some of the
most deliriously beautiful artwork you're ever likely to see.
OK, now for my interjection - the Haino set was released on _Rituals: Live
In Japan_. They don't say anything about this disc in the _Execution
Ground_ reissue. The live set is with Yamantaka (or Yamatsuka) Eye in
Osaka. This is the third disc that came with the Japanese ltd. ed. of
_Execution Ground_.
> Hasn't anyone bought it yet who could let us know for sure?
CDNow says it isn't supposed to come out until Feb. 17, 1998, so nobody
probably has it yet. :-)
Hope this clears it up.....
cya
brian
- --------------------------------------------------------
"The most dementing of all modern sins: the inability to
distinguish excellence from success." - David Hare
- -
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 13:01:04 PST
From: "Scott Handley" <c123018@hotmail.com>
Subject: re: victo jazz festival
>
U rote:
>does anyone have any more information on may's victoriaville jazz
>festival? I've scoured the web and haven't come up with anything other
>than the dates. looking for ticket info, directions, etc.
>
>ethan
>eclauset@webslingerz.com
>
ay, wright:
The company who puts out info on victo fest 1998 is called Platforme.
The phone number is 819.752.7912. They will answer in French, so if you
aren't bi, ask for English. Accept no substitutes. The brochures are
usually pretty nice and they've already started mailing them out.
Kudos to John Shiurba for his concise, thoughtful Braxcomments. I have
been SCHOOLED. No more e'piss'les.
love: Scott
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>
>
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- -
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:08:05 +0100
From: "Felix" <jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Re: Mystic Fugu Orchestra
>i think the cd is quite interesting. try listening to it casually. don't
>concentrate on it and suddenly it'll open up. i found that this way of
>listening to john zorn's cd's/lp's takes you deeper into his music. don't
>expect anything from john zorn and you'll be rewarded with lots of
>interesting music and stuff.
In fact, I bought the Mystic Fugu Orchestra CD friday. I bought it
blind-folded as I didn't know a thing about the CD except that it was a duo
project with Zorn and Eye. When I first listened to it I got quite
disappointed as I was expecting something completely different. But, as I
got listening to it (sort of casually as you said), I grew more and more
excited by the album. It's weird but in a traditional sense. That constant
static noise. Really weird. Another album I bought blind-folded in the same
day was Elegy and the only disappointment about this album was its time
length - 29 min. I have EP's that are more lengthier than that. However, the
album is truly a masterpiece (I've been groing quite atuned to the weird
stuff, like Naked City's Absinthe or even Mike Patton's Pranzo Oltranzista)
>Thats an interesting comment. I often wonder how other people go about
>listening to a Zorn CD. The Parachute Years collection is very difficult
>and I would like to know how others on the list listen to this material.
>Personally, I find that the music creates obvious images and emotions. So,
>I almost listen to it for a kind of surreal narrative adventure, rather
>than structured music.-
You could do the same for Elegy. In fact I think if you try, you can make a
story out of the album. It would have to be a weird story, perhaps
surrealistic like you said, but it can be done. But I don't think the same
applies for his more straight stuff like Masada or even Naked City's other
albums (non-Absinthe). Don't get me wrong, they are GREAT albuns but just
don't evoke the story thing.
Felix
jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt
- -
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 13:16:15 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: EXECUTION GROUND out?
On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:03:53 -0600 (CST) Brian & Sharon Beuchaw wrote:
>
> CDNow says it isn't supposed to come out until Feb. 17, 1998, so nobody
> probably has it yet. :-)
Anybody but the US gets the Tzadik releases one month before... Verge is
from Canada and I always thought that what was listed on their catalog
was records available, and not upcoming.
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:33:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Braxton
On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, john shiurba wrote:
> although i would say that all of Braxton's music is free from irony, and if
> there's one thing that really pisses me off, it's people saying that Braxton's
> music is cold, doesn't swing etc.
Don't be pissed off, John. I admit I don't think I'm "getting" the music,
so it wouldn't surprise me if my superficial impressions were totally
off the mark. Thanks to John and everyone else for the recommendations.
If I can get my hands on a copy without paying for it, I'll definitely
check out Willisau. If not, I'll go for one of the single-disc recs.
Chris Hamilton
- -
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:51:49 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: Mystic Fugu Orchestra
> i think the cd is quite interesting. try listening to it casually. don't
> concentrate on it and suddenly it'll open up. i found that this way of
<<snip, other message>>
> I almost listen to it for a kind of surreal narrative adventure, rather
> than structured music.-
> ----------
I was just at a concert of new music today, George Crumb and a couple of
local people's stuff, and i was really tired. i found that towards the
end i was half-asleep, which was actually quite a cool listening
experience. I find that sometimes sound becomes a lot more of a palpaple,
three dimensional experience if i'm in a state of mild sleep deprivation;
sound becomes much more of a 'felt' phenomenon than an intellectual one.
- -jascha
- -
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:23:31 EST
From: gsg@juno.com (Geoff S Gersh)
Subject: Liner Notes
I don't see how one can be annoyed by Zorn's self written liner
notes.....its very rare for Zorn to do interviews and talk about his
music. I think its great that he writes as much as he does for the
Filmworks series to give his listeners insight to how he works......I
think in a way I look forward to the liner notes a liiiiitttle bit more
than i do the music, well.....that might be going a bit to far, but i do
treasure the liner notes in the Film series very very much.
As Zorn has written, he makes little money on some of these film
projects, so its understandable that if he's not getting paid, he's
gonna do whatever he wants!!
Geoff
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:17:49 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: victo label
On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Jesse Simon wrote:
> I've been hearing a lot about the _Victo_ record label lately yet I've
> never actually seen any albums on it. I'm told that there is a Fushitsusha
> live album and a Gastr del Sol album available (presumably recorded at the
> festival). Does anyone have any info about the label. I'd like to get my
> hands on both of these titles.
there's a new Renaldo/Hooker/O'Rourke/Gebba
disc (live from the Victoria festival
last year). maybe that's what you mean?
Forced Exposure carries just about
everything in the Victo catalog.
don't see either Fushit or Gastr.
http://www.forcedexposure.com/labels/victocanada.html
speaking of Victo, how does
the Boris Kovacs disc
"Anamnesis -- Ecumenical Mysteries"
compare to his other release on
ReR?
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 17:04:03 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: aaarrggghh (angelus novus)
> btw. why not a bit more "trainspotting". who knows the original
> composers & pieces off which zorn lifted some of the parts on "angelus
> novus". i definitely heard one bit from anton webern's "concert
> opus 24".
At around the 7'30" mark on Carny there is a repeated dissonant chord
that sounds very much like it was taken from one of Stockhausen's
Klavierstuckes (can't remember which one off-hand). It's the one which
begins with that same dissonant chord which repeats a bunch before
letting it hang and then repeating again which goes on for quite a
while... Anyway, that's the only quote on Angelus Novus that truly
jumped out at me. Isn't Stephen Drury a lurker on this list??? Maybe he
could give us some insight.
-Tom Pratt
- -
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 17:04:03 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Re: aaarrggghh (angelus novus)
> btw. why not a bit more "trainspotting". who knows the original
> composers & pieces off which zorn lifted some of the parts on "angelus
> novus". i definitely heard one bit from anton webern's "concert
> opus 24".
At around the 7'30" mark on Carny there is a repeated dissonant chord
that sounds very much like it was taken from one of Stockhausen's
Klavierstuckes (can't remember which one off-hand). It's the one which
begins with that same dissonant chord which repeats a bunch before
letting it hang and then repeating again which goes on for quite a
while... Anyway, that's the only quote on Angelus Novus that truly
jumped out at me. Isn't Stephen Drury a lurker on this list??? Maybe he
could give us some insight.
-Tom Pratt
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:23:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Keldon Drudge <kdrudge@julian.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: Liner Notes
On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Geoff S Gersh wrote:
>
> I don't see how one can be annoyed by Zorn's self written liner
> notes.....its very rare for Zorn to do interviews and talk about his
neither do i...they're hilarious.
- -
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 15:33:28 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Liner Notes
On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:23:15 -0500 (EST) Keldon Drudge wrote:
>
> On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Geoff S Gersh wrote:
> >
> > I don't see how one can be annoyed by Zorn's self written liner
> > notes.....its very rare for Zorn to do interviews and talk about his
>
> neither do i...they're hilarious.
If Zorn was a complete joker, I guess I would be annoyed at them. Being
the over-achiever he is, I am ready to be indulgent :-). In fact, I don't
even have to be indulgent because I agree with what he writes, and the
way he judges his music.
True, we are not used to artists judging their own music in such a
shameless way, and expect other (critics, journalists, etc) to do that.
In the case of Zorn it is pretty clear that he does not really care what
journalists think of his music.
Patrice.
- -
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