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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #222
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, February 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 222
In this issue:
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Re: Mystic Fugu Orchestra
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #221
Sonic Youth/Eye
Re: Braxton
Re: On-line imported instruments?
Re: vandermark&the chicago scene
Re: Braxton...
ground zero?
re: aaarrggghh (angelus novus)
trainspotting...
cujo - adventures in foam
Re: Braxton...
Re: Braxton...
Re: ground zero?
Re: Braxton...
Re: Braxton...
Re: ground zero?
victo label
Re: Braxton, Zorn's cliches
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:08:41 -0600
From: "PETSITTER" <PETSITTER@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Mystic Fugu Orchestra
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From: ROLAND JOST <ROLAND_JOST@compuserve.com>
To: John Zorn List Mails <zorn-list@xmission.com>
Subject: Mystic Fugu Orchestra
Date: Friday, January 30, 1998 1:02 PM
i think the cd is quite interesting. try listening to it casually. don't
concentrate on it and suddenly it'll open up. i found that this way of
listening to john zorn's cd's/lp's takes you deeper into his music. don't
expect anything from john zorn and you'll be rewarded with lots of
interesting music and stuff.
Thats an interesting comment. I often wonder how other people go about
listening to a Zorn CD. The Parachute Years collection is very difficult
and I would like to know how others on the list listen to this material.
Personally, I find that the music creates obvious images and emotions. So,
I almost listen to it for a kind of surreal narrative adventure, rather
than structured music.-
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:45:26 -0800
From: Todd Bramy <tbramy@oz.net>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #221
This from the press sheet that comes with the new Sonic Youth/Jim
O'Rourke set:
<fontfamily><param>Geneva</param>SYR 3 - SONIC YOUTH/JIM
O'ROURKE</fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Geneva</param> Three platters in and no signs of
slowing; more deep swells of clang from
Echo Canyon. It's starting to get a little absurd calling these things
"EPs"
(number three clocks in at over 50 minutes of music), but why complain
b/c
it just means a mad bargain for you! Especially considering that
these
sessions were graced by the prescence of yours and my favorite
"omnimusician", Chi-town's own Jim O'Rourke,whose impossibly numerous
associations include Gastr del Sol, Faust, Tony Conrad, John Fahey,
Smog
and Henry Kaiser. While in town to join Takehisa Kosugi and the Merce
Cunningham Dance Company (which Thurston also participated in), J.O.
swung by for an afternoon of intense improvised ensemble alchemy.
This
time around, the ill-fated "universal language" Esparanto adorns the
sleeve
in keeping with the series' (ir)reverent faux Euro-art-music design
themes.
The opener "Invito Al Cielo" is all amp-moan and synth scratch, yet
placid (in
the storm-eye sense), featuring some inspired trumpet-Brut and more
whispered seats from Kim. The shimmering vibes and sine-pulse of
"Hungara Vivo" actually recalls the digi-mosaics of ooh-so<italic>-au
curant
</italic> electronicsters like Microstoria<italic>, </italic>yet
nonetheless was performed by the band
in good ole real time and space. "Radio-Amatoroj" is another
long-form
spelunk into an audio architectonics of cathedralic proportion. More
cymbal-spray and guitar-gong percussives, shifting textures ebb and
fade
in some kind of psyche-sensory algebra you don't even need to know
how
to solve. Just hear...
Did I mention that the 12" is pristine CLEAR vinyl?? And of course
don't
forget the formidable predecessors - SYR1 (French, red vinyl)
SYR2<color><param>0000,0000,7FFF</param>
</color>(Dutch, blue vinyl).
No release date is given, but judging by the discs that were in the
same box: Feb 3.
</fontfamily>
Todd Bramy
tbramy@oz.net
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:53:03 -0800
From: Todd Bramy <tbramy@oz.net>
Subject: Sonic Youth/Eye
Someone asked about the Sonic Youth/Yamatsuke Eye album called "TV Shit".
Well, this "album" is about 9 minutes long and consists of parts 1 thru 4
of a cover of Washington DC's Youth Brigade song "No II". Parts 1 & 4 are
live. It's 1,2,3,go...noise- 4 times in a row. Mostly feedback and pounding
drums with some indecipherable sampling thrown in. Very noisy and very
lo-fi. Unless you can find it quite cheap (good luck), I don't feel you're
missing much.
Todd Bramy
tbramy@oz.net
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:43:27 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Braxton
It strikes me that the BraxtonCrispellDresserHemingway quartet MUST
be great, but when I saw them in concert in London five or six years
ago, I thought it was pretty mediocre ...
Last week, rifling through the sale bin in a MAJOR record store, I
came upon Max Roach/Braxton: Birth/Rebirth, which I'm pretty
enamoured with on three listenings. It's on Black Saint, from the
late 70s, and it's the best example I've heard of Braxton's "bebop
chops".
Also recommneded (thanks S~z) Eight Tristano Compositions (+3);
and although I have some reservations about the acclaimed Six Monk
Compositions, AB's version of Brillinat Corners SHOULD be heard.
Sean Wilkie
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:19:01 -0600
From: Joe Germuska <j-germuska@nwu.edu>
Subject: Re: On-line imported instruments?
>didgeridoos made from eucalyptus, and/or instruments from West Africa.
>Any help would be much appreciated. Sorry for the stretch from Zorn
>related postings!
I'll help you out on the stretch -- have y'all heard Andy Haas' latest
Avant CD, "Arnhem Land"? Andy plays didjeridu in duet with people like
Ikue Mori, Cyro Baptista, etc... it's very cool.
Plus, Avant's most recent "world music" releases, two titles recorded in
the field in Ghana, are excellent. "Drums of Death" is percussion ensemble
music recorded at a funeral ceremony in rural Ghana, and it smokes! I
can't remember the title of the other one, but it features a single artist
on a balafon-type instrument, and what I heard was very nice as well.
Avant does good with world music! "Smarnamisa" and "Disco Bhangra" are
also worth hearing...
See, it wasn't such a stretch...
joe
* Joe Germuska {j-germuska@nwu.edu} | Learning Technologies Group
<http://www.nwu.edu/people/j-germuska> | Northwestern University
"Two monks were arguing about a flag. One said, 'The flag is moving.' The other
said, 'The wind is moving.' The sixth patriarch happened to be passing by. He
told them, 'Not the wind, not the flag; mind is moving.'" - The Gateless Gate
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:21:42 -0600
From: Joe Germuska <j-germuska@nwu.edu>
Subject: Re: vandermark&the chicago scene
>Dennison/Kimball Trio! Indie-Rock giants play some sort of Jazz,
>and do it well. Duane Dennison rules.
>They've put out a single with Vandermark and jim O'Rourke.
>And..There's only two of 'em in the trio, clever!
Actually, there's a newer album by the group, rechristened "DK3", with
Vandermark as a full-fledged band-member. It's called "Neutrons," and I'm
pretty sure it's on QuarterStick. It still hasn't caught up to "Soul
Machine" (an earlier D/K Trio release) in my book, but I'll give it some
time...
Joe
* Joe Germuska {j-germuska@nwu.edu} | Learning Technologies Group
<http://www.nwu.edu/people/j-germuska> | Northwestern University
"Two monks were arguing about a flag. One said, 'The flag is moving.' The other
said, 'The wind is moving.' The sixth patriarch happened to be passing by. He
told them, 'Not the wind, not the flag; mind is moving.'" - The Gateless Gate
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:44:00 -0600
From: Joe Germuska <j-germuska@nwu.edu>
Subject: Re: Braxton...
>>Would anyone
>>be willing to point me towards some irony-free stuff that might get me
>>over my Braxton problem?
As I think has been suggested, you should read "Forces in Motion" to get a
sense of the human side of Anthony Braxton. He's far out, but he's also
very much a regular guy.
Remember that Braxton is a philosopher -- he jokes that he had better luck
approaching philosophy departments in academia than music departments.
This man is very deep within a complex and internally consistent system,
albeit one that doesn't have a whole lot of direct connections over to more
familiar music.
I'm not a raging Braxton fan, but I would agree that the Willisau 4-CD set
is a superb example of what The Quartet could do. If 4 CDs is too big of a
leap of faith, (it was for me!) you might try "Performance (Quartet) 1979,"
also recorded live in Willisau, but with a quartet featuring Thurman
Barker, Ray Anderson, and John Lindberg. It took me a while to get inside
it, but now I think it's really something else. I actually started with
"Jump or Die", a collection of Braxton compositions played by members of
the Splatter Trio and Debris.
More than almost any other music, I think one needs to think about
Braxton's meta-concepts when listening to his music. That doesn't mean
that all of his music is intellectual -- the beginning of the second track
on "Performance (Quartet) 1979" is an all out sprint -- but context is
key...
><< And this is
> from an AB fan, though his last few projects have made me question his
> sanity. And why does he feel as though every project must have so many
> documents of their existence?>>
>
>Here is some of what Braxton says about recording in an interview printed for
>the notes of Anthony Braxton Quartet Victoriaville (1992) :
This quote is good (and, of course, the man's own words...) but also:
Braxton is composing for the future. It will take people a long time to
get at some of his ideas, and recordings are far better documentation than
scores, especially when Braxton has developed so many unique methods for
annotating his music.
I'm not trying to say that Braxton will be the Mozart of the 22nd Century,
but what if we had recordings of the European classical composers?
And finally...
>I'm sorry if I come off as an over-zealous high school student, but that is
>what I am.
Nick, the world needs more high school students who give a fig about this
whole realm of creative music. No need to apologize!
Joe
* Joe Germuska {j-germuska@nwu.edu} | Learning Technologies Group
<http://www.nwu.edu/people/j-germuska> | Northwestern University
"Two monks were arguing about a flag. One said, 'The flag is moving.' The other
said, 'The wind is moving.' The sixth patriarch happened to be passing by. He
told them, 'Not the wind, not the flag; mind is moving.'" - The Gateless Gate
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:03:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: ground zero?
could anyone describe this band's output for me? i'd appreciate it.
b
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 17:18:11 +0000
From: "p.rice" <gda@pingnet.li>
Subject: re: aaarrggghh (angelus novus)
hi bjoern!
i'd recommend you order "angelus novus" from either recrec or karbon in
switzerland. (both based in zurich.) i got my copy there. p+p to germany
shouldn't be too expensive.
do order it. i absolutely love it!
btw. why not a bit more "trainspotting". who knows the original
composers & pieces off which zorn lifted some of the parts on "angelus
novus". i definitely heard one bit from anton webern's "concert
opus 24".
patRice
BJOERN wrote:
>
> tzadiks german distributor has money problems/...
> so we probably wont see the release of Angelus Novus over here that soon
>
> :(((((((((
>
> BJOERN
>
> -
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 17:18:27 +0000
From: "p.rice" <gda@pingnet.li>
Subject: trainspotting...
trainspotting.
hi everyone.
read about the following in "modern drummer" magazine today. thought you
might be interested.
a new band named "chocolate genius" is releasing their debut cd in the
us soon. (no title given.) the man behind them is former seal, mylene
farmer, jeff beck and hanson (!) drummer abe laboriel jr. (currently
with k.d. lang), and features one of my personal faves, mr. marc ribot
on guitar.
cyro baptista has cd named "vira loucos" on jasrac out; featuring
(quote): "several downtown heavies interpreting the music of villa
lobos".
(writing this i get the feeling this one has already been discussed
here...)
patRice
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 17:18:19 +0000
From: "p.rice" <gda@pingnet.li>
Subject: cujo - adventures in foam
after reading the recommendation of "cujo"'s "adventures in foam" i had
to go out and buy it. i have to say it is pretty good. anyone into
drum'n'bass might well like it. since i am into that genre it was great
hearing a drum'n'bass track sampling parts off "spillane". i was pleased
that there are at least some producers out there in the electronica
field who are inspired by the likes of zorn. although i feel it could
still be taken a few steps further. (as soon as i have my
sampler/sequencer "under control" i'll start working on it a bit more.)
patRice
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:12:57 -0800
From: "Schwitterz" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Braxton...
If you're one of those folks that hears all this acclaim about Braxton, but
you just can't get into him, but you really would like to get into him, go
buy DORTMUND(QUARTET)1976. It will simply knock your socks off. I absolutely
guarantee it. With George Lewis on trombone, Dave Holland on bass, and Barry
Altschul on drums.
(hat ART CD 6075)
You can trust me on this one,
s~Z
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 10:56:03 -0600
From: "Marc A. Foster" <mfoster@datasync.com>
Subject: Re: Braxton...
I have _Charlie Parker Project_ and think it's great, but I guess I've never
gotten anything else because I didn't have a clue where my next step should be
in his enormous catalogue. How does Parker stand up next to Dortmund, Willisau,
and the Tristano album (the ones I recall a being recommended recently)? Any
others that are good starting (or continuing) points?
maf
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:59:32 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: ground zero?
>>>>> "Brent" == Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org> writes:
Brent> could anyone describe this band's output for me? i'd
Brent> appreciate it. b
Loud, noisy, fast, completely chaotic. For those who think that too
much just isn't enough. The number of members of the band varies,
from trios and quartets on their first album up to six on the easiest
album to find (Null & Void on Tzadik), and eight plus guests on
Standards and the Consume Red series. The center of the band, Otomo
Yoshihide, plays turntables, electric guitar, and various homemade
electronic devices. Other band members also play guitar, bass, drums,
sax, violin, keys, etc. The instrumentation list cannot possibly give
an idea of how completely chaotic the music is. I can't imagine what
they would be like live (they are doing one more concert in Japan next
month).
Of their specific albums, Null & Void is by far the easiest to find,
being a US release, and it's an excellent album overall (but then, I'm
a fan), a good place to start. Their eponymous first album is more in
the Naked City vein, more recognizable instruments and shorter tracks,
and features Zorn on a number of cuts (the band doesn't seem to have
coalesced, perhaps more of a Otomo project). I like this one the
least. The first volume of Consume Red is *not* ambient, despite what
has been said in various places, but has one long track which samples
and loops a Korean classical performer, with the rest of the group
joining in before dissolving into chaos. Volume 2 is remixes by known
sampler artists, and there are some bits which I defy anyone to locate
on volume 1. Standards has a number of songs which were influences on
Otomo, and some of them are actually recognizable.
One of the tracks from Null & Void is on the Tzadik web site if you
want to get your feet wet without spending any money. There's a
pretty good web site on Otomo at
http://www2.gol.com/users/miyuki/yotomo/yotomo.html, which includes a
history of GZ.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:10:54 -0800
From: "Schwitterz" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Braxton...
>I have _Charlie Parker Project_ and think it's great, but I guess I've
never
>gotten anything else because I didn't have a clue where my next step should
be
>in his enormous catalogue. How does Parker stand up next to Dortmund,
Willisau,
>and the Tristano album (the ones I recall a being recommended recently)?
Any
>others that are good starting (or continuing) points?
>
>maf
Next stop: Dortmund.
s~Z
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:44:00 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: Braxton...
>Next stop: Dortmund.
Any ideas from where this can be ordered? Online?
Dan
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 18:44:13 +0000
From: Scott Russell <srussell@cims.co.uk>
Subject: Re: ground zero?
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Scott Russell wrote:
Caleb Deupree wrote:
> >>>>> "Brent" == Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org> writes:
>
> Brent> could anyone describe this band's output for me? i'd
> Brent> appreciate it. b
>
> Loud, noisy, fast, completely chaotic. For those who think that too
> much just isn't enough.
> The instrumentation list cannot possibly give
> an idea of how completely chaotic the music is. I can't imagine what
> they would be like live (they are doing one more concert in Japan next
> month).
>
I saw them last year on their UK tour and they were astounding. They
sound just like Caleb described except a hundred times louder . Sounded
like Zappa's Mothers reborn in 90's Tokyo! There were bits of
evrything;free jazz, grinding heavy rock, improv mayhem, sampler chaos,
covers of Fred Frith tunes, Burt Bacharach, Japanese TV themes, bits of
Consume Red and Revolutionary Pekinese opera etc.
They really looked like they were having a ball too. A great sight,
especially if, like me, you've never seen Naked City live.
Scott Russell
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 13:10:52
From: Jesse Simon <umsimo10@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: victo label
I've been hearing a lot about the _Victo_ record label lately yet I've
never actually seen any albums on it. I'm told that there is a Fushitsusha
live album and a Gastr del Sol album available (presumably recorded at the
festival). Does anyone have any info about the label. I'd like to get my
hands on both of these titles.
Thanks
Jesse
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 11:48:32 -0700
From: john shiurba <shiurba@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: Braxton, Zorn's cliches
> Most Braxton that
> I've heard (I'm thinking particularly of some of the Creative Orchestra
> Music from the 70's) strikes me as overly cold and ironic. Would anyone
> be willing to point me towards some irony-free stuff that might get me
> over my Braxton problem?
although i would say that all of Braxton's music is free from irony, and if
there's one thing that really pisses me off, it's people saying that Braxton's
music is cold, doesn't swing etc. on the other hand, i would recommend you
check out some of Braxton's work with the Crispel/Dresser/Hemingway
quartet, especially the two releases on HatArt--Willisau (Quartet) 1991
and Quartet (Santa Cruz) 1993. This is for my money, the most passionate
and profound jazz/improvised music ever recorded. it just may change
your mind.
- --
shiurba@sfo.com
http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba
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