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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #218
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Zorn List Digest Friday, January 30 1998 Volume 02 : Number 218
In this issue:
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Re: well...who's good?
Re: Zorn>>>Baxter>>>Ra
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #217
Re: Sanctuary (Zorn List Digest V2 #217)
Variations
re: concerts in europe
John Fahey
Re: John Fahey
Re: John Fahey
Dragon Blue?
Re: Dolphy
Masada catalog #'s
derek bailey book
Re: derek bailey book
misc. cds fs
one more Coltrane
Re: one more Coltrane
The Sound Of Summer Running
Mystic Fugu Orchestra
zorn,laswell,live?
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 03:18:32 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: well...who's good?
> >>15.RENE LUSSIER solo
i saw him in Toronto with a drummer, and i had a lot of fun. He's not
only a really fine player who goes way way out most of the time (he played
his guitar with so many household objects...my favorite was the pocket
battery-powered fan for tremolo), but he's really, genuinely, consciously
funny. His style the night i saw him had a lot of sound-gags in it, and a
few sight-gags as well for those of us with good seats, but then again he
had another player to bounce off of...his solo stuff might be more
'concerty'...?...
- -jascha
- -
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:23:19 PST
From: "John Q Citizen" <alan_smithee@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn>>>Baxter>>>Ra
>>
>>Herbie Nichols - The Complete Blue Note Recordings (Blue Note)
>>Sonny Rollins - Sonny Meets Hawk! (RCA Victor)
>>Jimmy Giuffre 3 - Free Fall (Columbia)
>>Kim So-Hee - P'ansori II Saeng (Jigu)
>>Frank Sinatra - The Reprise Years (Warner/Reprise)
>>Les Baxter - The Exotic Moods Of Les Baxter (Capitol)
I've read Zorn lionising Baxter's work before; I know its become easy to
dismiss him as part of that whole retro-kitsch fad, but Baxter did some
great stuff - coupla records of *jungle jazz*, lotsa soundtracks. I
guess Baxter might've been using the same West Coast session jazz-men as
Esquivel; and at least some of Baxter's work employs that same kind of
block-structure that Zorn has noted in the work of Esquivel, Stallings
and Stravinsky.
Don't know hardly anything about it myself, but I'm intruiged by this
'50s West Coast jazz connection - some really fantastic stuff was
recorded; v cinematic, louche, noirish, etc. I've always reckoned the
edits in Zorn's "Spillane" are anticipated by the cuts in the jazz
sequences of "The Man With The Golden Arm" S/T. I think Skip Diamond's
"Mike Hammer" Lp has been re-issued by RCA in Spain; but I can only
guess at how that might relate.
As for Baxter's exotica; I've always reckoned Sun Ra was listening to
Baxter's early LPs - the whole roots of the Saturn aesthetic are there -
electronics, crypto-tribal percussion, chants (well, sort of - choral
stuff at least), *strange strings*, not to mention (but most important
of all) Baxter's foregrounding of
electronics-as-the-sounds-of-outer-space aesthetic. Just discovered (in
Szwed's Ra survey in an issue of the Wire last year) that Ra covered a
Baxter tune (that had Harry Revel on theremin) for one of his own
earliest LPs.
Unnh; dunno if anyone really cares about this stuff - sorry if I've
wasted your time.
>>Mauricio Kagel - Exotica (Deutsche Grammophon)
Anyone know anything about this title? Patrice??
>>Masaru Sato - The Film Music Of Masaru Sato, Vol. 11 (Soundtrack
>>Listeners Communication)
>>
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:47:06 -0500
From: Michel Rondeau <rondelle@bos.ca>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #217
>I'm interested in knowing what you guys think of =ABSanctuary=BB, the Dave
>Douglas double CD set on Avant. I haven't been hooked up on the
>zornophiliac file for long, so I must have missed your comments when it
>first came out. I tried to find info or reviews about it on the web
>without succeeding. Thanks in advance.
MR
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:37:14 -0600
From: Dan Hewins <hewins@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: Sanctuary (Zorn List Digest V2 #217)
Hi,
I really enjoy Sanctuary. The part about it that I like the best is the
presence of samplers. Because it was all recorded live at the Knitting
=46actory, I especially like the samplers. I like the idea of using them in
a live context rather than in a programmed fashion. I got it at the time
when I was really getting into Chris Speed's playing as well and he is
great on this album. In case you didn't know, it's like a double-band kind
of thing, two trumpets, two basses, two samplers, one drummer, and tenor
sax. The basses are kind of hard to hear unless they're taking solos, but
that's sometimes the way things go. There are parts where the samplers
will take over the beat and the real drummer is just doing fills and other
random things. Dave Douglas is, of course, amazing... I recommend checking
it out...
Now you're making me wish I brought it with me today so I could listen to it=
!
Dan
>>I'm interested in knowing what you guys think of =ABSanctuary=BB, the Dave
>>Douglas double CD set on Avant. I haven't been hooked up on the
>>zornophiliac file for long, so I must have missed your comments when it
>>first came out. I tried to find info or reviews about it on the web
>>without succeeding. Thanks in advance.
- -
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:22:50 -0500
From: gsg@juno.com
Subject: Variations
hello list people.....
I was just wondering if anyone attended the NYPO performances this past
week.......
If so....any thoughts on Zorn's piece??
I was there for the saturday and tuesday performances, hearing his
peace(and Schwantner's) just once wasn't enough.
I liked Zorn's piece alot.....it seemed different to me from his other
orchestral pieces.
I loved the way he had the brass playing real quiet in one
passage.....the strings too in another......it definitely has some
Bernstein influence....and...all in all it was a great piece. Im not
very good with words....so, hopefully you'll all get to hear it sometime
soon!!!
Geoff
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:01:49 +0100
From: "Olivier Nguyen Van Tan" <onvt@micronet.fr>
Subject: re: concerts in europe
Like a life ago, they wrote :
>From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
>Subject: re: concerts in europe
>
>Thomas Fischer jr. wrote:
>
>> I was just wondering if someone can give me some information
>> about cool concerts (zorn, frisell etc.) In europe
>(Germany/Suisse/Italy).
>> are there any links in the www? Thanks.
Germany, Suisse and Italy : I really don't know !!! :(((
But, in France, you can go to :
Le Site Web du Fennec pour les musiques creatives
http://www.fennec.digiweb.fr
You 'll find some info about a club in Paris called "Les Instants Chavires"
where Tim Berne 's Blood Count will play in February...
Some other infos about gigs in France also...
See you there !!
Olivier, fennec parmi les Fennecs
- -
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:48:20 -0800
From: Greg Mills <gregm@leftfield.net>
Subject: John Fahey
Hullo.
I recently borrowed a John Fahey CD - City of Refuge - from a friend of
mine and enjoyed it quite a bit, especially the musique concrete stuff.
What is Fahey's other stuff like? The liner notes include a letter that
Fahey wrote to, I'm guessing, a music critic complaining that people brand
him as "new age", when in fact he hangs out with punks and insists on being
called "alternative". All lameness aside, what is he going on about? Did he
do George Winston - type stuff at one point?
What gives?
Greg Mills
"Advertising: The bastard offspring of Art and Commerce kill their parents
and go watch roller derby." (with apologies to Art Spiegelman)
- -
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:44:16 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: John Fahey
>>>>> "Greg" == Greg Mills <gregm@leftfield.net> writes:
Greg> What is Fahey's other stuff like? The liner notes include a
Greg> letter that Fahey wrote to, I'm guessing, a music critic
Greg> complaining that people brand him as "new age", when in fact
Greg> he hangs out with punks and insists on being called
Greg> "alternative". All lameness aside, what is he going on
Greg> about? Did he do George Winston - type stuff at one point?
Greg> What gives?
Fahey's earliest work, originally released on his own private label
(Takoma) was a unique brand of fingerstyle guitar. He was one of the
first postwar guitarists to investigate in a serious manner
alternative tunings, and I remember the challenge of learning his
pieces was usually figuring out what tuning he was using rather than
any inherent difficulty in the pieces themselves. Straight guitar
works from this period include Transfiguration of Blind Joe Death
(from 1959, not 1969 as mentioned in some sources); one with more
electronics would be Voice of the Turtle. Many of these works have
not yet been reissued on CD.
After a decade or so of works like this, sometimes with some mild
electronic manipulation (this was the 60s and very low budget), he got
a major label contract on Reprise, for which he released a couple of
albums with Dixieland and vaudeville type accompaniment and much
better recordings (Of Rivers and Religion and After the Ball were on
Reprise).
After departing from Reprise, there wasn't much output for another
decade or so, until the recent revival of interest, and these albums
are more generally available.
I would not call any Fahey that I've heard (which covers the early
years pretty well) newage (rhymes with sewage), although the
guitarists that signed with Windham Hill in its early years had
certainly listened quite closely to Fahey. I think this is partially
a technology issue; the 20 years between Fahey's early albums and
Windham Hill's early albums enabled all kinds of recording tricks,
letting the WH producers give everything a soft focus, whereas Fahey
was deliberately establishing continuity with the country blues
tradition and going for a more primitive look and sound, even if he
could have afforded a fancy studio.
But there was also much more variety and experimentation in Fahey's
releases, something which is completely lacking in newage music
generally, so it was possible to be surprised (and sometimes very
surprised) when Fahey came out with a new album. Fahey's music was
(and still is) about experimentation and personal expression,
confounding expectations and leaving the audience perhaps a bit
bewildered. So while it might be possible to find one Fahey piece out
of context and consider it newage, his overall output could not be
further from that genre.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:09:51 -0800 (PST)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: John Fahey
On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Caleb Deupree wrote:
> works from this period include Transfiguration of Blind Joe Death
> (from 1959, not 1969 as mentioned in some sources); one with more
> electronics would be Voice of the Turtle. Many of these works have
> not yet been reissued on CD.
not so.
Takoma re-issued two discs in 1996.
one is "The Legend of Blind Joe Death"
which features tracks from his
first record as well as some odds
and ends and previously unreleased
material. the other disc, the title
escapes me because i don't own it,
but it's where he began the inclusion
of tapes and such into his
playing.
there's been a slew of his other
records from the middle period that
have made their way to CD medium.
in addition to this, Revenant
will be releasing the original
"Blind Joe Death" this month,
according to an ad on the back of
Halana.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
- -
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:43:55 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Dragon Blue?
Has anybody heard or heard anything about this new Avant disc?
DRAGON BLUE - Hades Park (AVAN-075)
discs for sale:
Billy Harper - Somalia
George Colligan Trio - Activism
Pat Metheny - Zero Tolerance For Silence
F.M. Einheit/Caspar Brotzmann - Merry Christmas
-Tom Pratt
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:51:39 -0500
From: chasinthetrane@juno.com (Jamie F Graves)
Subject: Re: Dolphy
>I don't know if anybody else has posted this, but to whoever was asking
>about Dolphy I've got to recommend "Far Cry"
I second this wholeheartedly. The lineup on this album is phenomenal.
Dolphy is on reeds, Booker Little plays trumpet, Jaki Byard plays piano,
then comes the dynamite rhythm section of Ron Carter and Roy Haynes. This
was before Ron had really come into his own, he's doing a lot of arco
stuff a la Chambers, but I'm convinced that any project this man touches
is golden. Roy Haynes needs no introduction, his driving style makes him
one of my favorite jazz drummers. I've also found this to be one of the
most listenable and pumped Dolphy albums. This is jazz at its best.
Jamie
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:23:12 PST
From: "Silent Watcher" <silent_watcher@hotmail.com>
Subject: Masada catalog #'s
Hey all,
Would someone mind sending me DIW's catalog numbers for Masada 4,7 & 8.
Thanks.
SW
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:05:23 +0100 (MEZ)
From: BJOERN <bjoern.eichstaedt@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
Subject: derek bailey book
i just tried to order the derek bailey book from here (germany)...they
had it in the computer at the book store but called me yesterday that it
isnt available anymore....
anyone who has access to this book (who knows a store where one can get
it) who would buy it for me...i`ll send you the money..
please answer privately
BJOERN
- -
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:08:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Re: derek bailey book
On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, BJOERN wrote:
> i just tried to order the derek bailey book from here (germany)...they
> had it in the computer at the book store but called me yesterday that it
> isnt available anymore....
> anyone who has access to this book (who knows a store where one can get
> it) who would buy it for me...i`ll send you the money..
> please answer privately
forced exposure has this book. just go to www.forcedexposure.com and look
for da capo under the labels.
b
- -
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:23:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Sai <06419@stblaw.com>
Subject: misc. cds fs
You HAVE to include the post:
all transactions in US will be $3 flat rate (2-3 day Priority)
Amon Duul 2- Utopia $12 uk
C Brotzman-Koksofen, Home $8 each
BOREDOMS- Soul Discharge '99 (Japan) $14, Onanie Bonb meets the Sex
Pistols $9
CAN- Inner Space $8 uk
Cypher 7- Security $6
Charles Hayward- Survive the Gesture, Tribute to Mark Rothko $10 each
Jah wobble- Heaven and Earth uk $12
H Kaiser/S Kuriokhin- Popular Science $9
Lounge Lizards (Arto Lindsay, S Piccolo, A. Frier, J+E Lurie +)- Live 1979-81
$12 digipack
L Lunch/T Moore/L Hamilton- In Limbo/Drowning $9
L Lunch/T Moore/Clint Ruin- Stinkfist $9
John Zorn- Elegy (eva Japan) new and in original wrap $15, Kristallnacht $11
Laswell- Sacred System chapter 1 new $10
Sacred System chapter 2 new $10
Chaos in Expansion- Coil, Ligeti/Kazan, C Hayward (sub rosa) $11
Sub Rosa stuff
$11 each except where noted
Dead Heads and Roses (Controlled bleeding.....) $9,
Majoon Traveller (I Cohen, O Coleman, Lights in Fat City.....),
Lilith (S Gibbons)- Stone,
Thierry De May- undo, Antonyms (S Lacy, N Rothenberg....),
X Legged Sally- Eggs and Ashes,
D Shea- Prisoner, i,
Stone Cold Heart (soundtracks to SR films).
thanks.
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:50:58 -0800
From: David Slusser <slusser@pixar.com>
Subject: one more Coltrane
Sun Ship. On Impulse. I used to hide it before I took any LSD.
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:34:08 -0800
From: "Schwitterz" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: one more Coltrane
David tripped:
>Sun Ship. On Impulse. I used to hide it before I took any LSD.
You say "used to."
Now do you listen to it when you take LSD?
s~Z
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:54:50 PST
From: "coleman francis" <cherokeejack666@hotmail.com>
Subject: The Sound Of Summer Running
Sorry if this has been posted already (I'm 4 digests behind right now),
but i just saw that there will be a Marc Johnson album released in
Feburary called The Sound Of Summer Running. It features Bill Frisell,
Pat Metheny, and Joey Baron. Sounds like a good time to me. :)
I've been on the list for a few weeks, and this is my first post. I'm
relatively new to the world of Zorn (about 2 or 3 years now.) I have
several of his albums, but am missing as many more. I particularly love
the first Naked City, and the Filmworks albums (I have all but the
first).
Been enjoying the Coltrane/Dolphy threads. A Love Supreme and Out To
Lunch are my faves of each, but again, my collections are far from
complete.
I'm primarily a fan of 70s prog-rock, but I've hugely enjoyed these
guys' works, and am enjoying being on this list.
Have a great day, everyone.
Doug
NP Naked City - Leng Tch'e
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:00:18 -0700
From: thrax@uia.net
Subject: Mystic Fugu Orchestra
I just bought the Mystic Fugu Orchestra disc, what in the fuck is that
shit. Im really kind of pissed, from what I heard it sounds like the
recorded an old scratchy LP, you can barely make out anything besided
the record noise. I can understand the experimental noise stuff of
something like Elegy but what was on this disc is not comprehendible in
any context. Any one else experience this?
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:55:23 EST
From: Lightbag@aol.com
Subject: zorn,laswell,live?
does anyone have any info on live dates for anyone related to avant zorny type
stuff?
i live right now in a shit hole town(wilkes-crotch)pa
i travel to nyc as often as i can,although never seeing anything related to a
nice show any experimentalist would enjoy.
many thanks---lightbeing
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